Why is there so much anti-gay hatred? Woman shot and killed for having a rainbow flag in her store.

[squistion 2,202]

10 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Ok, so there's this. What if someone doesn't like gays? But they never take negative action towards them. They just don't want to be around them.

Why do liberals hate that more than 13% of the population commits 57% of violent crimes in this country? 

We don't because those figures are not correct. 

[kilroy69 1,251]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So let's just assume it is a mental illness, what do you think we should do about it?

We help them as much as we can. I am not an animal. I just do not think bending to their will and celebrating a mental illness is the way to go about it.  This is not something to be proud of. It is something to be fixed. 

[HellToupee 1,776]

If a person feels happy/normal/whole as a trans person I see no reason why they shouldn’t. There is definitely a mental health component to trans but there is to many straight/gay people. 
 

Just leave kids out of it , it’s simple 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

We help them as much as we can. I am not an animal. I just do not think bending to their will and celebrating a mental illness is the way to go about it.  This is not something to be proud of. It is something to be fixed. 

And what's the fix?  Have them live life as you want them to as opposed to how they want to?

[seafoam1 3,025]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

We don't because those figures are not correct. 

I meant to say 'don't hate' but you got my point. What are the numbers then? Because I'm right and I want to see what CNN has been telling you. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

So I checked CNN. Com out. After I scrolled thorough Trump! And Britney Spears’ divorce and an article about German food and other stories I didn’t see anything about this case. I wonder why? Regardless, horrible story and RIP to this poor lady.  

[kilroy69 1,251]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

And what's the fix?  Have them live life as you want them to as opposed to how they want to?

The first step is admitting it is a mental illness. 

[Strike 5,547]

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Except both he and I pointed out that he did not just post anecdotal evidence in this thread, I see you’ve ignored that like you usually do when you’re wrong.

Oh, right.  After I called Tim out he posted a link to a report on FBI stats.  From his own link:

Quote

"The updated report still raises a lot of questions about the overall credibility of the FBI’s hate crime statistics,” said Steven Freeman, director of legal affairs at the Anti-Defamation League

So even the ADL questions the credibility of the stats.  But putting that aside, it's not surprising that the stats are going up.  "Hate crime" is a very subjective term.  Given the move towards people getting offended more and more easily, I don't find it hard to attribute statistical gains to a change in recording practices moreso than a change in the actual crimes themselves.

[TimHauck 2,876]

Just now, Strike said:

Oh, right.  After I called Tim out he posted a link to a report on FBI stats.  From his own link:

So even the ADL questions the credibility of the stats.  But putting that aside, it's not surprising that the stats are going up.  "Hate crime" is a very subjective term.  Given the move towards people getting offended more and more easily, I don't find it hard to attribute statistical gains to a change in recording practices moreso than a change in the actual crimes themselves.

Over a 1 year period?

[Strike 5,547]

It's also worth noting the the suspect was killed when police encountered him.  It's very likely this person had mental issues.  Using a mentally ill person as a barometer of the attitudes of the general populace is weak sauce.  Of course, since they're being so close lipped about any details on the suspect we can't try to make that determination.

[HellToupee 1,776]

10 minutes ago, squistion said:

We don't because those figures are not correct. 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

squistion is correct 

 

52.6 % appears to be the correct number 

[Strike 5,547]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Over a 1 year period?

I refer you to my first point - The stats may not be credible. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

I refer you to my first point - The stats may not be credible. 

So basically, you demand data only to then claim that the official source of it, the FBI, may not be credible?  Lol, and also lol that that quote was from the Anti-Defamation League, so clearly his implication is that the 2021 numbers could be even higher, especially since the article references a change in reporting system that may have caused fewer responses in 2021 than 2020.

There’s also this quote:

But many states do not include sexual orientation or gender identity in their definition of a hate crime, according to the Anti-Defamation League. People in those states don’t get counted as targets of a hate crime if they allege hate-based incidents, unless they report them to a federal agency

 

Nonetheless, even if 2021 may not be fully represented, you can still compare the % change across the different groups.  And LGBTQ was second only to Asians.  

This is not just an anecdote.  You can say “it’s not widespread” I guess, but the data says the trend is increasing.

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

19 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

squistion is correct 

 

52.6 % appears to be the correct number 

Owned

[League Champion 1,911]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

“Maybe there is so much hate because they are always shoving their perverted crotches in our faces and raping our kids.”

I don't think he meant it like that. He's not justifying anything, just pointing out a possible reason why the killer may of snapped. There are folks who are sick of it, I'm sick of it. That doesn't mean that I want to murder you, but it does mean STOP shoving your sexuality down everyone's throats. Why do they feel the need to do that? So you're gay, trans, whatever. Big F'ing deal. Do we need a flag for everything now? 

We should emphasize with the killer, he probably suffers from mental illness, or concussions. 

[MDC 7,428]

Lot of Geeks remind me of this guy  

[League Champion 1,911]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Lot of Geeks remind me of this guy  

The GIMP just got off his Sunday shift at Burger King. Welcome back! 

[League Champion 1,911]

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

46 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

The first step is admitting it is a mental illness. 

Ok, admitted.  Let them be or not?

[League Champion 1,911]

Could people be tired of it? Why wouldn't they be? 

 

 

[Strike 5,547]

31 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So basically, you demand data only to then claim that the official source of it, the FBI, may not be credible?  Lol, and also lol that that quote was from the Anti-Defamation League, so clearly his implication is that the 2021 numbers could be even higher, especially since the article references a change in reporting system that may have caused fewer responses in 2021 than 2020.

There’s also this quote:

 

 

Nonetheless, even if 2021 may not be fully represented, you can still compare the % change across the different groups.  And LGBTQ was second only to Asians.  

This is not just an anecdote.  You can say “it’s not widespread” I guess, but the data says the trend is increasing.

1)  I didn't want to discuss this data at all.  YOU brought it up.

2)  I don't dispute that the trend may be increasing.  I dispute the notion that it's because America is suddenly deciding to target the alphabet people.  I suspect that over the last decade or so things that wouldn't have been classified as "hate crimes" previously now are.  Because EVERYTHING nowadays seems to be a hate crime.

3)  As to specific trends within the last year or two, I would attribute that to the general lawless attitude that has become prevalent, especially in lib run cities.   When you choose not to hold people accountable, you tend to see people pushing the limits more.

[seafoam1 3,025]

I don't see anything wrong with hating this sickness that is the alphabet soup+. They add no quality to this society. 

[HellToupee 1,776]

2 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Could people be tired of it? Why wouldn't they be? 

 

 

leaves the kids out of it

[squistion 2,202]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

I meant to say 'don't hate' but you got my point. What are the numbers then? Because I'm right and I want to see what CNN has been telling you. 

These numbers and a link to them was posted before in this forum and it was pointed out that the conclusions are an incorrect and erroneous extrapolation of the data.

[seafoam1 3,025]

Just now, squistion said:

These numbers and a link have posted before in this forum and it was pointed out that the conclusions are an incorrected extrapolation of the data.

Yeah I posted the numbers and the link. And I'm spot on. Thanks for confirming. 

[WatsonRules 46]

24 minutes ago, MDC said:

Lot of Geeks remind me of this guy  

Not only that guy, but one or more of these people

[squistion 2,202]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Yeah I posted the numbers and the link. And I'm spot on. Thanks for confirming. 

And it was pointed out that your conclusion which was an extrapolation from the numbers was incorrect.  

[HellToupee 1,776]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

These numbers and a link have posted before in this forum and it was pointed out that the conclusions are an incorrect extrapolation of the data.

the fuzzy math defense 

[seafoam1 3,025]

7 minutes ago, squistion said:

And it was pointed out that your conclusion which was an extrapolation from the numbers was incorrect.  

Where was I proven wrong? Point that out to me or go away. 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

13 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I don't see anything wrong with hating this sickness that is the alphabet soup+. They add no quality to this society. 

Well there you go. All of you that claim that this bigotry is overstated, that all you really care about is protecting your children, feel free to defend this post. Or several of the other posts made in this thread. 
 

I don’t believe that the vast majority of conservatives are bigots. I know that’s not true. What I accuse you guys of is tolerating it, of allowing it in your midst because these awful people are supposedly on “your side”. And until that ends you bear a certain amount of responsibility for the ugliness that comes. 

[seafoam1 3,025]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well there you go. All of you that claim that this bigotry is overstated, that all you really care about is protecting your children, feel free to defend this post. Or several of the other posts made in this thread. 
 

I don’t believe that the vast majority of conservatives are bigots. I know that’s not true. What I accuse you guys of is tolerating it, of allowing it in your midst because these awful people are supposedly on “your side”. And until that ends you bear a certain amount of responsibility for the ugliness that comes. 

I believe all of you pedocrats are bigots. And that is serious ugliness on your part. 

[posty 2,700]

18 minutes ago, squistion said:

And it was pointed out that your conclusion which was an extrapolation from the numbers was incorrect.  

Are you going to disprove it with a unbiased source or just say it isn't correct and we take your word for it?

If it was posted here before, then you should have no problem to pull it up again...  I am not going to waste my time digging through old threads here...

[posty 2,700]

17 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Woman shot and killed for having a rainbow flag in her store.

Maybe she was shot by a Fresno State alum...

[seafoam1 3,025]

18 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://abc7.com/amp/lake-arrowhead-store-owner-killed-mag-pi-clothing-laura-ann-carleton/13673754/
 

I’ve actually been to that store. 
 

What the hell is wrong with people? Why can’t they leave gays and trans alone? 

Tell me about your woes. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=utube+5+year+old+gets+shot+in+head+on+sidewalk+in+chicago&sca_esv=558602326&source=hp&ei=0XXiZLSxOsSt5NoPooiKqAs&oq=utube+5+year+old+gets+shot+in+head+on+sidewalk+in+chicago&gs_lp=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&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp#ip=1

[squistion 2,202]

45 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

 

the fuzzy math defense 

The actual math defense. What the numbers actually say, not a creative interpretation of them.

[Cdub100 3,908]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

We don't because those figures are not correct. 

You are correct it's more like 6% and it's closer to 60%

[squistion 2,202]

33 minutes ago, posty said:

Are you going to disprove it with a unbiased source or just say it isn't correct and we take your word for it?

If it was posted here before, then you should have no problem to pull it up again...  I am not going to waste my time digging through old threads here...

I spent time disproving the interpretation of the data and it was all for naught as it was just repeated again. Not going down that road a second time and then seeing in a few months, that same false figure claim once again. 

[seafoam1 3,025]

5 minutes ago, squistion said:

I spent time disproving the interpretation of the data and it was all for naught as it was just repeated again. Not going down that road a second time and then seeing in a few months, that same false figure claim once again. 

So you must have the numbers memorized. What are they? You don't even have to link them even though you clealy remember the whole deal.

[kilroy69 1,251]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

Ok, admitted.  Let them be or not?

Absolutely. Live and let live. Get them help. 

[HellToupee 1,776]

10 minutes ago, squistion said:

I spent time disproving the interpretation of the data and it was all for naught as it was just repeated again. Not going down that road a second time and then seeing in a few months, that same false figure claim once again. 

Come on man , this reads like BS. Snopes got nothing?