***OFFICIAL Lions @ Chiefs NFL Season Opener Thread***

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

4 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Yeah, I stopped fuming over the picks long ago when I figured that out. They come from a program that consistently produces quality LBs and TEs that you may be aware of.

Branch with his pick-six and Gibbs also played well. Other rookies add depth. Even one of Brad Holmes' undrafted free agents that couldn't make the team got picked off waivers by Arizona. So, looks like another solid rookie class from Brad Holmes, three in a row. 

Brian Branch was an excellent pick. Should have been a first rounder. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,932]

8 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Kadarius toney deleted his Twitter account last night after the game

Gullible boy falls for Twitter bullshit again. He deleted it months ago. 

[OldMaid 2,129]

4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You have to hand it to Kadarious Toney. Or else he’ll drop it. 

 More posts like this please.

[seafoam1 2,799]

7 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

I felt lucky yesterday. I did 200 at +180 on the moneyline and then 2 mins before the game I doubled down for another 200 at +175 for a payout of $710

You had more faith in then than I did. That's for sure.

[jonmx 2,424]

3 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

I bet 100 right now that they do better than 8-9. I can put money up on venmo or cashap. 

He just trolling.  Nobody is that stupid.  Probably a Bears fan. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

7 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

I felt lucky yesterday. I did 200 at +180 on the moneyline and then 2 mins before the game I doubled down for another 200 at +175 for a payout of $710

Same here.  I got +205 on FanDuel and added in their  25% Profit Boost promotion to get +308.  Might be the best bet I see all year.

[kilroy69 1,216]

42 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Same here.  I got +205 on FanDuel and added in their  25% Profit Boost promotion to get +308.  Might be the best bet I see all year.

I have a 5 leg parlay with the jets this week. I think the odds makers are undervaluing the jets vs the bills. 

[Voltaire 5,195]

8 hours ago, edjr said:

Nailed it. 

I don't think expecting to go 11-6/12-5, win the division, a home playoff game, and predicting a win (then winning) against a seriously depleted Chiefs squad is pumping out chests. That's just the natural progression from where they left off last year when young players started stepping up. Then four more rookies played critical roles in this win too, which was no surprise, we'd seen that happening all offseason. Brad Holmes had done it again with a third draft class... one that I didn't like on draft day.

The team still has plenty of flaws that were exposed. It'll be nice to get our CB1 back and alleged WR2.

It just looked to me that KC without Jones and Kelse was going to present no more of a challenge than Green Bay but I was wrong, even at limited capacity, they are much better and the Packers and may well have pulled out the win anyway. I think playing them at full strength, we'd lose. It was only when Jones and the Chiefs brass remained deadlocked and Kelce got hurt that I expected the Lions to win - because they weren't a championship caliber team this week. Despite the massive help they got from the officials either. I compared them to Green Bay, and I was wrong about that, they were still good , but they still didn't have enough juice to win in the end. 

Patrick Mahomes minus Kelce was good but I expected to be about as productive as Aaron Rogers, which is overcomable and isn't particularly scary to Lions fans. 226 yards passing with clowns imitating a receiving corp was about right. That their defense played so well surprised me. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

Who are the best available unsigned receivers? Backs like Hunt and Fournette are out there who could help out a veteran team with a great QB but KC’s issue is going to be reliable pass catchers if Kelce misses more games. 
 

Probably not much out there the way the current NFL landscape is. 
 

Time to give Jarvis Landry a call?

 

[Voltaire 5,195]

22 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Who are the best available unsigned receivers? Backs like Hunt and Fournette are out there who could help out a veteran team with a great QB but KC’s issue is going to be reliable pass catchers if Kelce misses more games. 
 

Probably not much out there the way the current NFL landscape is. 
 

Time to give Jarvis Landry a call?

 

Superstar 2nd/3rd round WR 1s FF anchors from years past... Julio Jones and Sammy Watkins. Otherwise Kenny Golliday, TY Hilton, and such.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,932]

Hard to believe KC was relying on Toney to be one of their main receivers. Front office focked up.  Get it over with and call Tampa and pay up. 

[Dozer FBG 324]

Has the flyover been mentioned in this thread?

The B-2

What an amazing aircraft. 

USA M’ER F’ERs

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

24 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hard to believe KC was relying on Toney to be one of their main receivers. Front office focked up.  Get it over with and call Tampa and pay up. 

Pay up for mike evans? No thanks 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

28 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Superstar 2nd/3rd round WR 1s FF anchors from years past... Julio Jones and Sammy Watkins. Otherwise Kenny Golliday, TY Hilton, and such.

I’d seriously go after Landry if I was them. I believe he is a free agent 

[Bier Meister 1,657]

Mike Evans 

[Voltaire 5,195]

18 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

Mike Evans 

Tampa Bay may well be in the playoff hunt come trade deadline but if not... they'll extract heavy concessions from somebody.

Or maybe not... they may well  be more focused on the future than a ceiling of one-and-done present.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, Bier Meister said:

Mike Evans 

Does he still have it? Didn’t do sh1t last year. I know Brady was older than dirt but still

[Bier Meister 1,657]

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Does he still have it? Didn’t do sh1t last year. I know Brady was older than dirt but still

Rec and yards were on par with previous 3 yrs.  Tds down 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

3 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

Rec and yards were on par with previous 3 yrs.  Tds down 

Good point. I had him in fantasy and he was fairly useless after the first half of the season or so. Had a huge game the very last week but otherwise not even startable.

But that’s a fantasy b1tch, really

[Bier Meister 1,657]

6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Good point. I had him in fantasy and he was fairly useless after the first half of the season or so. Had a huge game the very last week but otherwise not even startable.

But that’s a fantasy b1tch, really

I remember a period where he seemed td dependent.

 

I could see him helping kc move the chains

[nobody 2,564]

13 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

 

Must be fake.  I've been assured no other linemen so this.

[edjr 6,578]

13 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hard to believe KC was relying on Toney to be one of their main receivers. Front office focked up.  Get it over with and call Tampa and pay up. 

Seems like Belicheat is the GM of the chefs now. 

[jonmx 2,424]

On 9/8/2023 at 9:55 AM, kilroy69 said:

I felt lucky yesterday. I did 200 at +180 on the moneyline and then 2 mins before the game I doubled down for another 200 at +175 for a payout of $710

 

Got $600 on Branch for DROY at +3500 (now down to +1400)

Worried about Carter the most, but +3500....

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

13 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Good point. I had him in fantasy and he was fairly useless after the first half of the season or so. Had a huge game the very last week but otherwise not even startable.

But that’s a fantasy b1tch, really

 

13 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

I remember a period where he seemed td dependent.

 

I could see him helping kc move the chains

 

He was garbage in fantasy because he's not going to get you 90-100 receptions to make up for a down TD year. The whole Bucs offense was a mess, I think it was the protection more than Brady being old. ...but to be fair, whenever I watched him, he didn't seem like the same Mike Evans. I wasn't sure if it was a skill decline or an issue between him and Brady and he was half-assing it or what. 

I guess on a new team/situation he could be back to what he was. I just think if the issue is lack of dependable targets in the event Kelce misses more time, you'd want someone like a Jarvis Landry. Sure handed, volume guy who moves the chains. (and significantly cheaper)

[cmh6476 1,010]

22 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

Toney should be cut. 

How/why was mcKinnon not used more in the pass game?

 

The real head scratching thing to me was the Chiefs final drive. enough time on the clock with 3 timeouts and the 2 minute warning where punting the ball made some sense. They decided they were going for it on 4th down, which I have to assume was pre determined, so at the very least why not draw up something short to gain a chunk of yardage on 3rd and 20? they threw it deep on 3rd and 20.... get even 7-8 yards of that back on 3rd down if you know you're going for it. 

Then after the false start, making it 4th and 25, you could still punt it away and have 4 timeouts (3 plus the 2 minute warning). Going for it on 4th and 25 cost them the 2 minute warning stoppage after turning it over. 

That was some real bad clock management and game planning. 

It was Bienemy that held our sh1t together, obviously. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

2 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

It was Bienemy that held our sh1t together, obviously. 

That was really bad man. It was my biggest takeaway from the game. There is no shame in losing to an up and coming Detroit team when you are missing your star tight end and defensive tackle but to lose it the way they did was awful. That whole final drive was head scratching. Look past Toney dropping that ball. How do you throw deep on 3rd and 20 when you are treating it like 4 down territory anyway? Crazy. 

[MDC 7,127]

29 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

That was really bad man. It was my biggest takeaway from the game. There is no shame in losing to an up and coming Detroit team when you are missing your star tight end and defensive tackle but to lose it the way they did was awful. That whole final drive was head scratching. Look past Toney dropping that ball. How do you throw deep on 3rd and 20 when you are treating it like 4 down territory anyway? Crazy. 

The biggest head scratcher for me was kicking 2 FGs deep in Lions territory on 4th and 2. That made the decision to go for it on 4th and 20 (then 25) even odder. Seemed like arrogance to me.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,932]

People still think the OC on KC calls the plays? Lol. What’s that diner menu Reid is always hiding behind there for? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,932]

I’m not saying KC should call Tampa about Evans. I’m talking about Godwin. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

5 minutes ago, MDC said:

The biggest head scratcher for me was kicking 2 FGs deep in Lions territory on 4th and 2. That made the decision to go for it on 4th and 20 (then 25) even odder. Seemed like arrogance to me.

I mean, the difference there is stage of game. I don't personally agree with going for it on 4th and 20 when you have 3 timeouts plus the 2 minute warning but you're trying to get into at least field goal range to take the lead and I guess they wanted the ball in Mahomes hands rather than trust the defense. 

I was more baffled by the play calling on 3rd and 20 and then sticking to your guns after the false start and still going for it on 4th and 25.  Plus the 4th and 25 play took so long it cost them the 2 minute warning stoppage. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m not saying KC should call Tampa about Evans. I’m talking about Godwin. 

I think we assumed you meant Evans because he's the one wanting a new deal in Tampa and wont be there next year. Godwin would certainly be more the type of receiver I think Mahomes needs. 

[MDC 7,127]

36 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I mean, the difference there is stage of game. I don't personally agree with going for it on 4th and 20 when you have 3 timeouts plus the 2 minute warning but you're trying to get into at least field goal range to take the lead and I guess they wanted the ball in Mahomes hands rather than trust the defense. 

I was more baffled by the play calling on 3rd and 20 and then sticking to your guns after the false start and still going for it on 4th and 25.  Plus the 4th and 25 play took so long it cost them the 2 minute warning stoppage. 

I’ve been spoiled by Dougie P and now Sirianni. Both of them would have gone for it 100% on 4th and 2. It amazes me in 2023 some very good coaches are still taking 3 in those situations. 

Andy thought he wouldn’t need the points. Arrogant.

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’ve been spoiled by Dougie P and now Sirianni. Both of them would have gone for it 100% on 4th and 2. It amazes me in 2023 some very good coaches are still taking 3 in those situations. 

Andy thought he wouldn’t need the points. Arrogant.

I think its more arrogant to go for it, basically saying the other team can't stop you so why should we settle for 3. I am sure there are analytics dictating when to take 3 points in a given situation that even the most daring offensive minded coaches take into consideration. 

Not saying I agree with kicking the field goals or not but as far as coaching job, game script, time management, ... that final drive was just too baffling.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

58 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m not saying KC should call Tampa about Evans. I’m talking about Godwin. 

Godwin is younger and the Bucs gave him a big new contract last year. Only three years, but still, there’s no indication either he or the team is looking at moving on. Not so with Evans

[MDC 7,127]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

I think its more arrogant to go for it, basically saying the other team can't stop you so why should we settle for 3. I am sure there are analytics dictating when to take 3 points in a given situation that even the most daring offensive minded coaches take into consideration. 

Not saying I agree with kicking the field goals or not but as far as coaching job, game script, time management, ... that final drive was just too baffling.

I didn’t like any of those 3 calls tbh.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,932]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Godwin is younger and the Bucs gave him a big new contract last year. Only three years, but still, there’s no indication either he or the team is looking at moving on. Not so with Evans

Last year Tom Brady was the QB and they had visions of a championship.  This year it’s Baker Mayfield and they have visions of a high draft pick. Vastly different situation. And before you say salary cap, we all know at this point the salary cap means little for contenders.  

[MDC 7,127]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Godwin is younger and the Bucs gave him a big new contract last year. Only three years, but still, there’s no indication either he or the team is looking at moving on. Not so with Evans

Tampa should be looking to move on from everyone. That team will be completely rebuilt before they contend again.

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Last year Tom Brady was the QB and they had visions of a championship.  This year it’s Baker Mayfield and they have visions of a high draft pick. Vastly different situation. And before you say salary cap, we all know at this point the salary cap means little for contenders.  

yeah but they also have a star player wanting to get paid at least in the range of Quinnen Williams money, possibly more. Chiefs probably have some cap space.. i think... but idk how willing they would be to do that

[Voltaire 5,195]

Mahomes is surrounded by turds on offense. Chiefs could send their entire WR and RB corp, along with their overwhelmed crappy-ass even when cheating  OT, into the stands to hawk food and beverages. Replace them with Snow White and her seven diverse and equitable miner friends on league minimum contracts, then use the money saved to pay Chris Jones. Mahomes could still pass for 226 yards.

The cupboards are focking bare. Seriously, every practice squad in the league is full of players of at least this caliber, if not better. 

[cmh6476 1,010]

7 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Mahomes is surrounded by turds on offense. Chiefs could send their entire WR and RB corp, along with their overwhelmed crappy-ass even when cheating  OT, into the stands to hawk food and beverages. Replace them with Snow White and her seven diverse and equitable miner friends on league minimum contracts, then use the money saved to pay Chris Jones. Mahomes could still pass for 226 yards.

The cupboards are focking bare. Seriously, every practice squad in the league is full of players of at least this caliber, if not better. 

It's one week, and it'll be interesting to see how they respond.  I obviously had higher expectations that likely aren't going to be met.   But Kelce should be back against the jags which should create more opportunities for the receivers to play better.   We shall see. I still think Rashee Rice will turn into a reliable NFL receiver, he's just not going to do it from day 1.