No racism here. Nope, Not at all.

[RogerDodger 797]

38 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s not racist to hire more black people even if it means that white people are discriminated against. Context is everything. We do not live in a color blind society; we never have, even if that is the ultimate goal. We live rather in a society in which black people have suffered over 400 years of slavery, Jim Crow, and unequal treatment under the law. Even now white privilege is a very real thing and the systemic racism against blacks by our police and justice system continues. 
 

Under this context it’s almost impossible for a white person to be subject to racism. If you’re one of the tiny handful of white people who has ever lost out on a job due to diversity hiring practices (and it really is a minuscule number of actual people by percentage) chalk it up to being privileged with whiteness in every other aspect of your life: you don’t have to fear being stopped by police for no justifiable reason, or being watched with suspicion every time you shop, or having to suffer thousands of other indignities on a daily basis. Call it unfair if you want based on your personal situation, and move on to all of your other advantages in this society. But don’t you dare call it racism. 

This guy loves BBC.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 hours ago, 5-Points said:

How many definitions of racist do you need? 

Preferential or discriminatory treatment, based on skin color, is racist. If you need any other definition than that, you're trying to disguise your own racism. 

Well historically the definition of racism was the belief that one race is superior to another, and has grown to include minority or oppressed status.

What you're describing is discrimination, and affirmative action has not been considered racist (except by whites) and only recently been ruled as discrimination.

Calling this racist is just a reaction by white people sick of hearing black people talk about racism and wanting to turn the tables.

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

36 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

There is simply no way to get through to you. You're too deep in the lie. You see massive racism around you directed exclusively at white people and still push this canard. 

The true north is colorblindness and you're the one that doesn't want it.

Voltaire it’s not that you’re not getting through to me. I understand your position, totally get it. I just don’t agree with you. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

“Your” definition.  Modern libtard logic at its finest.

If you wanna go by THE definition

1: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2a: the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another

2b: a political or social system founded on racism and designed to execute its principles

Then it's clearly not racist to hire more non whites than whites.  You Lose.

[seafoam1 2,798]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

If you wanna go by THE definition

1: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2a: the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another

2b: a political or social system founded on racism and designed to execute its principles

Then it's clearly not racist to hire more non whites than whites.  You Lose.

So people are racist against whites. Got it. But that's already been established. 

[kilroy69 1,215]

52 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

No it's not, there are factors.  First, in order for it to be racist by most definitions, then then your race would have to be a minority or disadvantaged status. 

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard and is not the standard definition that most go by.  It the height of liberal ideology and intentionally leaves out victims of racism BASED ON THIR SKIN COLOR. 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

46 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You want to sue the index?

Yeah sh!tlib that’s exactly what I meant 

[Horseman 2,353]

35 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

If you wanna go by THE definition

1: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2a: the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another

2b: a political or social system founded on racism and designed to execute its principles

Then it's clearly not racist to hire more non whites than whites.  You Lose.

I'm rather shocked at your inability to apply that definition to the OP.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard and is not the standard definition that most go by.  It the height of liberal ideology and intentionally leaves out victims of racism BASED ON THIR SKIN COLOR. 

That's why I said "depends on definition", and I would disagree that "most go by" a definition that states that discrimination against whites is racist.  It's usually the racist whites that scream racism when they feel discriminated against.

[kilroy69 1,215]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

That's why I said "depends on definition", and I would disagree that "most go by" a definition that states that discrimination against whites is racist.  It's usually the racist whites that scream racism when they feel discriminated against.

Wrong again. In a thread full of you being wrong. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, kilroy69 said:

Wrong again. In a thread full of you being wrong. 

Care to explain yourself?

Probably not.

OK, let's go back to the thread, 94% of people hired were POC.  Why do you think that is?

[kilroy69 1,215]

12 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Care to explain yourself?

Probably not.

OK, let's go back to the thread, 94% of people hired were POC.  Why do you think that is?

I have literally called you out on being wrong. Explained to you WHY you are wrong and you just ignore what I say. 

 

It is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move I make the pigeon is just gonna knock the board over, strut around like it won and shitt everywhere. YOU are the pigeon. 

[RogerDodger 797]

3 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I have literally called you out on being wrong. Explained to you WHY you are wrong and you just ignore what I say. 

 

It is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move I make the pigeon is just gonna knock the board over, strut around like it won and shitt everywhere. YOU are the pigeon. 

He has trouble with words.

[BuckSwope 654]

58 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

If you wanna go by THE definition

1: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2a: the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another

2b: a political or social system founded on racism and designed to execute its principles

Then it's clearly not racist to hire more non whites than whites.  You Lose.

Wait, don't 2a and 2b apply to the OP and what people like kilroy have been posting their experience has been?   If a hiring manager is told point blank to not hire white dudes, that's 2a as far as I read it.  If it's happening a bit in the corporate world, wouldn't that be 2b?  

[RogerDodger 797]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Wait, don't 2a and 2b apply to the OP and what people like kilroy have been posting their experience has been?   If a hiring manager is told point blank to not hire white dudes, that's 2a as far as I read it.  If it's happening a bit in the corporate world, wouldn't that be 2b?  

I sense surprise in your post.  You're familiar with Gutterboy's work surely.   

[crackattack 520]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

There is simply no way to get through to you. You're too deep in the lie. You see massive racism around you directed exclusively at white people and still push this canard. 

The true north is colorblindness and you're the one that doesn't want it.

He's a true blue coastal liberal. The same type that James Carville just went off about on the Bill Maher show. It's his type of thinking and ideology that's killing Democrats in polls and why Biden is so unpopular. 

I've said it here before and I'll say it again. Malcolm X was 100% spot on about white liberals. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

27 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I have literally called you out on being wrong. Explained to you WHY you are wrong and you just ignore what I say. 

 

It is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move I make the pigeon is just gonna knock the board over, strut around like it won and shitt everywhere. YOU are the pigeon. 

I didn't ignore it, I disagree with, and I said you were wrong, so now what?

I guess you don't want to explore why you are wrong.  Probably a smart move on your part.

[kilroy69 1,215]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I didn't ignore it, I disagree with, and I said you were wrong, so now what?

I guess you don't want to explore why you are wrong.  Probably a smart move on your part.

Ok. Pigeon. You should be searching for bread crumbs by now. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

27 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Wait, don't 2a and 2b apply to the OP and what people like kilroy have been posting their experience has been?   If a hiring manager is told point blank to not hire white dudes, that's 2a as far as I read it.  If it's happening a bit in the corporate world, wouldn't that be 2b?  

Kilroy provided one example.  If we were to believe him, it's still one example.  Is there a systemic issue in corp America where HR departments are told not to hire white people across the board?  I would be shocked if that's true and would need to hear from more than just Kilroy.  It still would not constitute oppression, since we're simply talking about jobs, and whites still hold the majority of jobs, and the unemployment rate of whites is lower than other minorities.  So it's a real stretch to say that some selective hiring is causing systemic oppression of whites.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,912]

I do so wish that so many of you would lose  your job and opportunities at the alter of DEI. I also hope it diminishes your childrens opportunities.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Ok. Pigeon. You should be searching for bread crumbs by now. 

SoMeONe TOld Me DOn'T HyER a WHiTE.  Das RAciST!

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I do so wish that so many of you would lose  your job and opportunities at the alter of DEI. I also hope it diminishes your childrens opportunities.  

Piece of sh1t never fails

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I do so wish that so many of you would lose  your job and opportunities at the alter of DEI. I also hope it diminishes your childrens opportunities.  

Well, to be fair it will have to hurt alot of folks that liberals pretend to care about first, before it ever reaches them.  And then just like with the immigration debacle, only then......when THEY are finally hurt....will it be time to reconsider.....

[Reality 3,092]

Stop feeding the idiot. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,912]

Again, I don’t know why wanting people to be affected by the policies they endorse is some sort of harsh comment.  Seems fair to me. Prove me wrong. 

[jonmx 2,424]

 

AUTHORITARIAN BASTARDS:  "White people are subhuman and do not have any rights unless they submit to leftist ideology.  One day we will round up the remaining deploriables and gas them."

When you realize this, all their action make sense.   

[Fnord 2,051]

I'm in agreement with Gutter and Tim on many political topics, but not here. Kilroy and I had a convo in another thread about this, and I have no problem calling a mandate to NOT hire white men highly discriminatory AT BEST, and probably flat-out racist. 

I'm a hiring manager where I work, at a large company highly invested in DEI. I have NEVER been told, or even had it insinuated, that anything other than merit should be considered when extending an offer. If someone told me not to hire white men, I'd loudly take it to legal and compliance, and the individual that told me to do that would be in a world of shlt. Racism is racism, regardless of the skin color of the perp or the victim. Ain't no such thing as reverse racism. Blacks that hate whites are every bit as bad as whites that hate blacks, even if they may have more definitive personal reasons for the hate.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Just now, Fnord said:

I'm in agreement with Gutter and Tim on many political topics,

Yikes

[GutterBoy 2,898]

19 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I'm in agreement with Gutter and Tim on many political topics, but not here. Kilroy and I had a convo in another thread about this, and I have no problem calling a mandate to NOT hire white men highly discriminatory AT BEST, and probably flat-out racist. 

I'm a hiring manager where I work, at a large company highly invested in DEI. I have NEVER been told, or even had it insinuated, that anything other than merit should be considered when extending an offer. If someone told me not to hire white men, I'd loudly take it to legal and compliance, and the individual that told me to do that would be in a world of shlt. Racism is racism, regardless of the skin color of the perp or the victim. Ain't no such thing as reverse racism. Blacks that hate whites are every bit as bad as whites that hate blacks, even if they may have more definitive personal reasons for the hate.

I would agree with you that if there is a mandate to NOT hire white men, it would be discrimination and possibly racist depending on the context and motives.

I just think white men are too quick to cry racism when corps are trying to diversify their workforce for the betterment of the corporation.

And yes, blacks can be racist the same as whites.

[Strike 5,182]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

I would agree with you that if there is a mandate to NOT hire white men, it would be discrimination and possibly racist depending on the context and motives.

I just think white men are too quick to cry racism when corps are trying to diversify their workforce for the betterment of the corporation.

6%. ROFLMAO

[GutterBoy 2,898]

50 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Again, I don’t know why wanting people to be affected by the policies they endorse is some sort of harsh comment.  Seems fair to me. Prove me wrong. 

Because only sh1tty people wish bad things to happen to people.

Just because I support diversity doesn't mean I deserve to lose my job to a minority.  Just because I don't support the death penalty for petty theft doesn't mean I should have my wallet stolen.

If I didn't get a job because they hired a POC over me, fine, I need to be better, I'll find another job.  I'm not gonna cry about it like some b1tch.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

57 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I'm in agreement with Gutter and Tim on many political topics, but not here. Kilroy and I had a convo in another thread about this, and I have no problem calling a mandate to NOT hire white men highly discriminatory AT BEST, and probably flat-out racist. 

I'm a hiring manager where I work, at a large company highly invested in DEI. I have NEVER been told, or even had it insinuated, that anything other than merit should be considered when extending an offer. If someone told me not to hire white men, I'd loudly take it to legal and compliance, and the individual that told me to do that would be in a world of shlt. Racism is racism, regardless of the skin color of the perp or the victim. Ain't no such thing as reverse racism. Blacks that hate whites are every bit as bad as whites that hate blacks, even if they may have more definitive personal reasons for the hate.

Wow.  I'm shocked. 

Y'know, Fnord, there might be hope for you yet. 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

I'm in agreement with Gutter and Tim on many political topics, but not here. Kilroy and I had a convo in another thread about this, and I have no problem calling a mandate to NOT hire white men highly discriminatory AT BEST, and probably flat-out racist. 

I'm a hiring manager where I work, at a large company highly invested in DEI. I have NEVER been told, or even had it insinuated, that anything other than merit should be considered when extending an offer. If someone told me not to hire white men, I'd loudly take it to legal and compliance, and the individual that told me to do that would be in a world of shlt. Racism is racism, regardless of the skin color of the perp or the victim. Ain't no such thing as reverse racism. Blacks that hate whites are every bit as bad as whites that hate blacks, even if they may have more definitive personal reasons for the hate.

And let's be clear, just because there is a disparity we should not assume its racism or discrimination as a first move.   It probably is not. It rarely ever is.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

And let's be clear, just because there is a disparity we should not assume its racism or discrimination as a first move. 

Which is exactly my point here.  That idiot Strike saw the news story and cried RACSIM! which is childish.

[posty 2,609]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

For once you hit it right. There is no racism here. Diversity hiring isn’t racist. 

Would it have been racist if the 94% hired where white, non-hispanics?

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

10 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Wow.  I'm shocked. 

Y'know, Fnord, there might be hope for you yet. 

Now you’re just being silly 

[RLLD 4,143]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Which is exactly my point here.  That idiot Strike saw the news story and cried RACSIM! which is childish.

I think you are not catching the actual move here.  He did that in part to mimick and mock that same behavior.  You see when ever some folks see disparity they simply assume racism. And rarely is any outcome the result of a univariate influence.  

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think you are not catching the actual move here.  He did that in part to mimick and mock that same behavior.  You see when ever some folks see disparity they simply assume racism. And rarely is any outcome the result of a univariate influence.  

 

Did he?  I don;t think I'm the only one that missed that, because I've had several folks saying it is racism and I'm dumb for denying it.

[RLLD 4,143]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Did he?  I don;t think I'm the only one that missed that, because I've had several folks saying it is racism and I'm dumb for denying it.

That was my take, but I will let him weigh in if he chooses.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

3 hours ago, RLLD said:

I think you are not catching the actual move here.  He did that in part to mimick and mock that same behavior.  You see when ever some folks see disparity they simply assume racism. And rarely is any outcome the result of a univariate influence.  

 

You better believe if the races were swapped GutterPedo would have been in here screaming OMG!!! SYSTEMATIC RACISM!! without holding the brakes like he is now.

What a douche.  He and his hypocrisy can GTFO.