War in Israel

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

4 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I can't believe the amount of antisemitism in this thread.  It's completely absurd.  And it's coming from the same side of the aisle (the left side) that also claims THEY are not racists either. 

We've even got antisemitic Jews in here.  Holy Crap!

Perhaps we should coin a new phrase for them.  I suggest Hamasholes*.  For instance Westboro Timmay is a Hamashole.  Go ahead, give it a try.

 

 

 

*Hamasholes is a registered trademark of Engorgeous George enterprises

[jerryskids 6,799]

11 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

When your only reply is to post youtube videos of a guy who burned Barbie dolls in protest, you know you've lost.

When you provide ad hominem attacks because you have no response to the content, you know you've lost.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Just now, jerryskids said:

When you provide ad hominem attacks because you have no response to the content, you know you've lost.

Jesus Jerry, you’re having a bad day  

First you’re cringey throwing around of alpha in the other thread, and now you sound just like peefoam!

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Jesus Jerry, you’re having a bad day  

First you’re cringey throwing around of alpha in the other thread, and now you sound just like peefoam!

Replying with a bunch of 10 min youtube videos is peak Blue Horsehoe

I might have to put Jerry on ignore if he keeps this up.

[jerryskids 6,799]

6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Jesus Jerry, you’re having a bad day  

First you’re cringey throwing around of alpha in the other thread, and now you sound just like peefoam!

Honest question, are you special needs?

[jerryskids 6,799]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Replying with a bunch of 10 min youtube videos is peak Blue Horsehoe

I might have to put Jerry on ignore if he keeps this up.

I fast forwarded each video to the point where the Oxford debater said that all of Israel belongs to Palestine, to make it easy for you.  If you bothered to click in.  It was specifically in response to Tim's assertion that the vast majority of Palestinians want a two state solution.  Tim wants to believe it so I know he'll ignore this, but I had hoped other, more centrist people like yourself would be open to actual data.

You used to be a good poster, now you are just a Leftie troll.  I guess that gives you joy, so you do you.  

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I fast forwarded each video to the point where the Oxford debater said that all of Israel belongs to Palestine, to make it easy for you.  If you bothered to click in.  It was specifically in response to Tim's assertion that the vast majority of Palestinians want a two state solution.  Tim wants to believe it so I know he'll ignore this, but I had hoped other, more centrist people like yourself would be open to actual data.

You used to be a good poster, now you are just a Leftie troll.  I guess that gives you joy, so you do you.  

So Tim says the vast majority want a two state solution, and your rebuttal is to find one person on youtube that says all of Israel belongs to Palestine?

I actually did click the first one, but it was unclear what point you were trying to make.  Wouldn't it have been better to actually refute what he's saying?  I can find pretty much anyone on youtube saying pretty much anything, doesn't mean jack.

Maybe a poll of palestinians?  Here I'll do it for you.

24% of Palestinians support a two-state solution, down from 59% in 2012

https://news.gallup.com/poll/512828/palestinians-lack-faith-biden-two-state-solution.aspx

So maybe 10 years ago Tim was right, but not anymore.

See Jerry, that is how it's done.

And then of course you call me a troll.

[jerryskids 6,799]

14 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Jesus Jerry, you’re having a bad day  

First you’re cringey throwing around of alpha in the other thread, and now you sound just like peefoam!

I take back my other response; that isn't fair to you to call you special needs.  The alpha comment is how you tell me you are a beta without telling me, but I already knew.  I realize that a confident, assertive man who is loyal to his city and attracts other players to his team, is anathema to a boy like yourself.   

[GutterBoy 2,899]

If you're a grown man and throwing around terms like Alpha and Beta, and my favorite, "Low T", you got real issues.

Trump has ruined you guys.

[jerryskids 6,799]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So Tim says the vast majority want a two state solution, and your rebuttal is to find one person on youtube that says all of Israel belongs to Palestine?

I actually did click the first one, but it was unclear what point you were trying to make.  Wouldn't it have been better to actually refute what he's saying?  I can find pretty much anyone on youtube saying pretty much anything, doesn't mean jack.

Maybe a poll of palestinians?  Here I'll do it for you.

24% of Palestinians support a two-state solution, down from 59% in 2012

https://news.gallup.com/poll/512828/palestinians-lack-faith-biden-two-state-solution.aspx

So maybe 10 years ago Tim was right, but not anymore.

See Jerry, that is how it's done.

And then of course you call me a troll.

Each video starts with a different person saying the same thing  Your poll is great data, but I was not aware of it.  I had, though, recently seen one of the Shapiro debate opponents.  Just scanning through it I saw the other two.  There may be more, I stopped there.  These were the best and brightest that Oxford put on stage for the event.  

The existence of your poll does not make my evidence less accurate, nor does it justify you trolling with ad hominem attacks on the source.

[jerryskids 6,799]

7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

If you're a grown man and throwing around terms like Alpha and Beta, and my favorite, "Low T", you got real issues.

Trump has ruined you guys.

Actually, Trump has ruined you, because those words hurt you so.  I've never referred to Trump as an alpha, but you seem triggered anyway.

Tell you what, answer me this:

1. Do you think there are people who tend to dominate, lead, be assertive in situations, and others who tend to sit back and be submissive?  Hint:  I used to do consulting on this topic, so if you don't know the answer, let me know.

2. If you do think there are such people, what words and/or descriptors would you prefer that don't trigger you to associate them with the bad orange man?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Actually, Trump has ruined you, because those words hurt you so.  I've never referred to Trump as an alpha, but you seem triggered anyway.

Tell you what, answer me this:

1. Do you think there are people who tend to dominate, lead, be assertive in situations, and others who tend to sit back and be submissive?  Hint:  I used to do consulting on this topic, so if you don't know the answer, let me know.

2. If you do think there are such people, what words and/or descriptors would you prefer that don't trigger you to associate them with the bad orange man?

Lumberjacks and Pussies.  Paul Bunyuns and Alan Aldas. 

[HellToupee 1,776]

26 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

If you're a grown man and throwing around terms like Alpha and Beta, and my favorite, "Low T", you got real issues.

Trump has ruined you guys.

Typical cuck response 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

29 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I fast forwarded each video to the point where the Oxford debater said that all of Israel belongs to Palestine, to make it easy for you.  If you bothered to click in.  It was specifically in response to Tim's assertion that the vast majority of Palestinians want a two state solution.  Tim wants to believe it so I know he'll ignore this, but I had hoped other, more centrist people like yourself would be open to actual data.

You used to be a good poster, now you are just a Leftie troll.  I guess that gives you joy, so you do you.  

Umm, I never wrote that the vast majority of Palestinians want a two state solution. I wrote that they don’t want to destroy Israel. Not quite the same thing. 

I also used the words “in my opinion” because any assertion about what the vast majority of Palestinians want is by definition subjective: they’re not and have never been free actors. I also tried to emphasize that sympathy for Hamas does not equate to agreement with Hamas’ goals- I can’t stress this enough. 

Jerry I get that you want to fit this issue into a neat little box, and I do too. It’s a trait of Americans and it’s one we should be proud of: determine the problem, fix the problem. But this is really complicated. 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

23 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

If you're a grown man and throwing around terms like Alpha and Beta, and my favorite, "Low T", you got real issues.

Trump has ruined you guys.

The guy who pulls Trump from the blue claiming others were ruined by him.

Cant make up the projection lol

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

And let me go one step further: even if I am completely wrong and most Palestinians really do want to destroy Israel, it doesn’t change anything in terms of how Israel should act. It wouldn’t excuse or justify the single death of a civilian. 

[Strike 5,544]

14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Jerry I get that you want to fit this issue into a neat little box, and I do too. It’s a trait of Americans and it’s one we should be proud of: determine the problem, fix the problem. But this is really complicated. 

See, but it's not.  Only libs like you try to make it so.  Israel was created by an international body given the authority to do so by the rest of the countries on Earth.  75 years later you want to take it back?  That's not going to happen.  So, once we agree on that point, it's just a question of what happens to the people who live in the West Bank and Gaza.  And that is entirely up to them.  So far they've chosen not to acknowledge the first point I just made.  And that's fine.  But the rest of the world is not obligated to cowtow to their juvenile antics which are being manifested through terrorism. 

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

38 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Each video starts with a different person saying the same thing  Your poll is great data, but I was not aware of it.  I had, though, recently seen one of the Shapiro debate opponents.  Just scanning through it I saw the other two.  There may be more, I stopped there.  These were the best and brightest that Oxford put on stage for the event.  

The existence of your poll does not make my evidence less accurate, nor does it justify you trolling with ad hominem attacks on the source.

Your use of 3 youtube videos with a random person saying what they said is not good evidence to dispute Tims claim that a majority of Palestine wants a 2 state solution.  And yes, it is so asinine that it does invite insults, and you deserved being mocked about it.

My poll is much much better evidence of it, and I wasn't aware of it either, but a quick google returned the results, in less time than it took you to find youtube videos I'm sure.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

37 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Actually, Trump has ruined you, because those words hurt you so.  I've never referred to Trump as an alpha, but you seem triggered anyway.

Tell you what, answer me this:

1. Do you think there are people who tend to dominate, lead, be assertive in situations, and others who tend to sit back and be submissive?  Hint:  I used to do consulting on this topic, so if you don't know the answer, let me know.

2. If you do think there are such people, what words and/or descriptors would you prefer that don't trigger you to associate them with the bad orange man?

No, those words don't hurt me, I laugh at them.  Anyone who refers to themselves as an alpha and others as betas, I laugh at them, because I know exactly what kind of people they are.

1) Yes.

2) I usually call them leaders, but again, the term "alpha" doesn't "trigger" me, and saying the word "trigger" is another word that when people say, I know what kind of people they are too.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

23 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Typical cuck response 

Another one, cuck, thanks HT.

[Mark Davis 398]

Good thing that social media wasn't around during WWII.  The Nazi's would have feasted on it with their propaganda.  We inflicted horrible tolls on the citizens of Japan and Germany in WWII.  War tends to do that, and unless you are fighting a vastly weaker opponent in open and sparsely populated areas, civilian losses are going to happen.  You can tell we have a population who hasn't had to deal with those realities, that generation is almost completely gone.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

If you're a grown man and throwing around terms like Alpha and Beta, and my favorite, "Low T", you got real issues.

Trump has ruined you guys.

From the guy that throws around toxic masculinity. Low T beta indeed. 

[Voltaire 5,316]

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Meanwhile the Israeli settlers in the West Bank are using this situation to indiscriminately kill Palestinians- again: 

https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/11/06/settlers-are-causing-mayhem-in-the-west-bank

This is why Israel and Netanyahu in particular do not have clean hands in this conflict, which is a point that Obama correctly made the other day. As  Americans we have a duty to call out injustice whenever we see it. 

I'd not read anything about this until you posted it. It's disturbing if true but it also comes across as potentially PLO propaganda. Preliminary results from all the Google search MSM headline results are reading similar to it: slamming the settlers hard but I'll keep digging. This seems wholly out of character, I'll see if I can find the Israeli settler side of the story to see if it makes some sort of sense.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

5 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

Good thing that social media wasn't around during WWII.  The Nazi's would have feasted on it with their propaganda.  We inflicted horrible tolls on the citizens of Japan and Germany in WWII.  War tends to do that, and unless you are fighting a vastly weaker opponent in open and sparsely populated areas, civilian losses are going to happen.  You can tell we have a population who hasn't had to deal with those realities, that generation is almost completely gone.

The Battle for Stalingrad was horrific.  The firebombing of Dresden and the V2 attacks on London were pretty indiscriminate.  And of course the use of the atomic bombs did not exactly sort military from civilian.

[Mark Davis 398]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

The Battle for Stalingrad was horrific.  The firebombing of Dresden and the V2 attacks on London were pretty indiscriminate.  And of course the use of the atomic bombs did not exactly sort military from civilian.

No, and I was an adult before I even realized that Truman's decisions there were questioned seriously.  As someone who had a dad in the Philippines that would have had to be part of the invasion force for mainland Japan, I'm thankful President Truman didn't have such reservations.

[League Champion 1,911]

30 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Another one, cuck, thanks HT.

Are you a bottom? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Just now, League Champion said:

Are you a bottom? 

I don’t think he has a choice.  

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

  I realize that a confident, assertive man who is loyal to his city and attracts other players to his team, is anathema to a boy like yourself.   

Eww gross, why don’t you suck their focking d1cks while you’re at it, Jerry

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Actually, Trump has ruined you, because those words hurt you so.  I've never referred to Trump as an alpha, but you seem triggered anyway.

Tell you what, answer me this:

1. Do you think there are people who tend to dominate, lead, be assertive in situations, and others who tend to sit back and be submissive?  Hint:  I used to do consulting on this topic, so if you don't know the answer, let me know.

2. If you do think there are such people, what words and/or descriptors would you prefer that don't trigger you to associate them with the bad orange man?

Lol you consulted on alphas and betas? You can’t make this sh1t up

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

43 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I'd not read anything about this until you posted it. It's disturbing if true but it also comes across as potentially PLO propaganda. Preliminary results from all the Google search MSM headline results are reading similar to it: slamming the settlers hard but I'll keep digging. This seems wholly out of character, I'll see if I can find the Israeli settler side of the story to see if it makes some sort of sense.

I’m not sure what you’ve read about the Israeli settlers but I can guarantee you that what was reported is NOT out of character. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

See, but it's not.  Only libs like you try to make it so.  Israel was created by an international body given the authority to do so by the rest of the countries on Earth.  75 years later you want to take it back?  That's not going to happen.  So, once we agree on that point, it's just a question of what happens to the people who live in the West Bank and Gaza.  And that is entirely up to them.  So far they've chosen not to acknowledge the first point I just made.  And that's fine.  But the rest of the world is not obligated to cowtow to their juvenile antics which are being manifested through terrorism. 

 

None of what you wrote here has anything to do with any of the points I made. The main issues that modern day Palestinians have with the State of Israel date back to 1967, not 1948. The exact same international body that created Israel has condemned Israel’s actions since 1967, with regard to its settlements in West Bank and Gaza, and called them illegal. If you’re going to use the United Nations as the legal authority for the establishment of Israel then you can’t discount the other legal decisions made by the same body. 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

50 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

Good thing that social media wasn't around during WWII.  The Nazi's would have feasted on it with their propaganda.  We inflicted horrible tolls on the citizens of Japan and Germany in WWII.  War tends to do that, and unless you are fighting a vastly weaker opponent in open and sparsely populated areas, civilian losses are going to happen.  You can tell we have a population who hasn't had to deal with those realities, that generation is almost completely gone.

 

That's a pretty interesting point. Thanks for sharing it. It's something I had not considered before. But to assess it now, the end results could have been catastrophic for America. 

Think about Ovaltine trying to find the next "Mr. Beast" as an influencer to promote them. 

However, something you might not have considered, is the social context back then would have just ended in a lot of executions. The "Anti-American" rhetoric you hear today that's normalized, and sadly even monetized, would not be tolerated back then. The Five Families in NY were known to just have deviant criminals killed outright. If someone was known to molest children, they were just killed. If there was some kind of deviant who escaped the justice system, they were just killed. The information pathway didn't exist to talk about it then. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Only libs like you try to make it so.  

 

This statement is also dumb because the Israel-Palestine conflict does not fall neatly into the American conservative vs liberal dichotomy , no matter how much you might want it to. There are conservatives who strongly disagree with your point of view and liberals who strongly agree with you and the same for my positions. You want everything to be black and white, either-or, and it’s really stupid. 

[League Champion 1,911]

36 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t think he has a choice.  

Good point 

[Voltaire 5,316]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Meanwhile the Israeli settlers in the West Bank are using this situation to indiscriminately kill Palestinians- again: 

https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/11/06/settlers-are-causing-mayhem-in-the-west-bank

This is why Israel and Netanyahu in particular do not have clean hands in this conflict, which is a point that Obama correctly made the other day. As  Americans we have a duty to call out injustice whenever we see it. 

Thanks again for posting.

This is how the Times of Israel covers the situation:

 https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-soldiers-film-themselves-abusing-humiliating-west-bank-palestinians/

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Thanks again for posting.

This is how the Times of Israel covers the situation:

 https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-soldiers-film-themselves-abusing-humiliating-west-bank-palestinians/

If you want to understand what the Israeli settlers are like- the extreme right wing of the Likud Party- there are two analogies I can offer you: the Protestants of Northern Ireland and the Afrikaners of South Africa. All 3 groups behave very similarly, believing they are God’s chosen people commanded to civilize a foreign land. It’s really striking how alike these three groups are. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

30 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Lol you consulted on alphas and betas? You can’t make this sh1t up

No dummy, I did consulting on personality assessment in the workplace.  The Phoenix Suns were a client of ours, although not mine directly.  Different types of people tend to thrive in different types of roles, and identifying those matches can go a long way to ensuring employee success and morale.

I'm going back to my "special needs" statement; the fact that you are a lawyer yet lack the ability to process basic English continues to confound me.   

[Voltaire 5,316]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m not sure what you’ve read about the Israeli settlers but I can guarantee you that what was reported is NOT out of character. 

I've known over the years they have a reputation for pushing the envelope for more settlements deeper into the West Bank. While unprovoked acts violence against civilians is normal and acceptable for Hamas supporters to conduct on Israelis, I'd expected Israelis, to include settlers, to have higher standards for themselves.

This is not going to play well at all. Every headline on google, scroll down, down down down down, rips them apart. And apparently it should because they do deserve it. Disappointing.

[Strike 5,544]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

I'm going back to my "special needs" statement; the fact that you are a lawyer yet lack the ability to process basic English continues to confound me.   

I don't get why some of you believe this turd is a lawyer.  Other than his word he's never shown any decent knowledge of law.  Heck, I've out "lawyered" him in numerous threads despite the fact that I am not a lawyer and don't claim to be.  There is no evidence whatsoever that he actually possesses a law degree.  Look up a guy named Harold O Kieffer.  That guy knows more about law than Worms.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

No dummy, I did consulting on personality assessment in the workplace.  The Phoenix Suns were a client of ours, although not mine directly.  Different types of people tend to thrive in different types of roles, and identifying those matches can go a long way to ensuring employee success and morale.

I'm going back to my "special needs" statement; the fact that you are a lawyer yet lack the ability to process basic English continues to confound me.   

Do you have a degree in industrial psychology?