War in Israel

[jerryskids 6,573]

10 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

The entire populace there has been raised since birth to hate Jews.   When you raise a child in that environment, nobody should be surprised when terrorists and pro terror ideologies are the result.  There's no real de-programming people at that point.  Nobody should be shocked they are keeping hostages in with civilians.

Yep.  Unfortunately, only the very youngest of Palestinian children can be saved.  The rest have already been irretrievably programmed.  It is no surprise that support for Hamas is so high in Gaza. 

[torridjoe 48]

On 5/11/2024 at 10:59 PM, Strike said:

So Biden is now backtracking on withholding weapons from Israel.  Apparently it's not helping him politically but is hurting.  And he's offering to give Israel intelligence on Hamas' leaders if they don't full on attack Rafah.  Isn't Israel one of our top allies?  But he's withholding important intelligence from them?  All of this while Hamas is still holding American's hostage.  What a POS this guy is. 

At least he’s pretending not to be cheering on active genocide. What the fucks is wrong with you. 

[torridjoe 48]

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Yep.  Unfortunately, only the very youngest of Palestinian children can be saved.  The rest have already been irretrievably programmed.  It is no surprise that support for Hamas is so high in Gaza. 

And you know this how? Fucks all the way off with your fake racist expertise. 

[seafoam1 2,803]

1 minute ago, torridjoe said:

And you know this how? Fucks all the way off with your fake racist expertise. 

They mirror the liberals like yourself in this country. Everyone sees it except you authoritarian wannabees. You violent angry focks. Summer of 2020 in the US is the blueprint for the hamas. 

[jonnyutah 250]

13 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

If I understood you correctly you wrote that you don’t mind if Palestinian children are killed. 

What i wrote was super clear. Whether or not the children are responsible for the actions of the adults is irrelevant. It isnt a counter argument. It doesnt add any context. It ignores the whole point I made. 

 

[jonnyutah 250]

Pro Palestinian liberals think they have created a valid trolley problem argument.

On one track you have 4 people on another track you have 200 innocent babies. Omg, how do you pick the track with 200 innocent babies!!!

 

[jerryskids 6,573]

Mostly peaceful pro-terrorism protest outside the White House this weekend.  A pinch of destruction of government property, a dash of assaulting a police officer.  I'm sure these folks will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.   

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/video/news/anti-israel-protesters-outside-white-house-throw-objects-at-ranger-vandalize-statue/vi-BB1nSmuH?t=183

 

[Strike 5,214]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Mostly peaceful pro-terrorism protest outside the White House this weekend.  A pinch of destruction of government property, a dash of assaulting a police officer.  I'm sure these folks will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.   

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/video/news/anti-israel-protesters-outside-white-house-throw-objects-at-ranger-vandalize-statue/vi-BB1nSmuH?t=183

 

Not one arrest was made.

[jerryskids 6,573]

15 minutes ago, Strike said:

Not one arrest was made.

 

No focking way, I'm shocked!  Shocked I tell you! 

[jerryskids 6,573]

10 hours ago, torridjoe said:

And you know this how? Fucks all the way off with your fake racist expertise. 

Well, here is data regarding the strong support of Hamas in Gaza in particular:

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Latest Developments
Palestinian support for Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza remains high, according to a Palestinian poll released on March 20. That support has increased since the Iran-backed terrorist group attacked Israel on October 7. The poll, published by the Ramallah-based non-profit Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, also indicates that Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas and his faction have grown even more unpopular since the war in Gaza started.

Expert Analysis
“I will make this prediction: If Hamas ends up being seen as the winner of the war it started on October 7, support for Hamas among Palestinians will only increase. But if Hamas is seen as losing the war — its military and governing capabilities shattered — support for Hamas among Palestinians will decrease, perhaps sharply. To be clear: If it turns out that Hamas’s invasion of Israel and multiple heinous atrocities have brought Palestinians nothing but hardship, that will not cause Palestinians to embrace Israelis. But it may cause Palestinians to reject Hamas’s strategy of terrorism and genocidal war.” — Cliff May, FDD Founder and President

“While Secretary of State Antony Blinken travels across the Middle East talking about a two-state solution and a Palestinian state, the main impediment to such schemes remains the same: a radicalized Palestinian population that supports terrorism against Israel instead of peacemaking.” — Richard Goldberg, FDD Senior Advisor

“Palestinians are living in another reality — one in which Hamas did not commit atrocities on October 7 and one in which Hamas did not march the Palestinian national project off a cliff. This perception gap will further complicate Israel’s day-after plans.” — David May, FDD Research Manager and Senior Research Analyst

Hamas More Popular Than Abbas’s Fatah Party
According to the poll, only seven percent of Gazans blamed Hamas for their suffering. Seventy-one percent of all Palestinians supported Hamas’s decision to attack Israel on October 7 — up 14 points among Gazans and down 11 points among West Bank Palestinians compared to three months ago. Fifty-nine percent of all Palestinians thought Hamas should rule Gaza, and 70 percent were satisfied with the role Hamas has played during the war.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-popular-among-palestinians/

[MDC 7,135]

18 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Yep.  Unfortunately, only the very youngest of Palestinian children can be saved.  The rest have already been irretrievably programmed.  It is no surprise that support for Hamas is so high in Gaza. 

Jerry is right. Around 70% of those in Gaza are under the age of 30. That means they’ve lived their entire lives behind a military blockade. It’s no wonder they hate Israel.

We should kill them.  

[seafoam1 2,803]

Just now, MDC said:

We should kill them. 

I agree. Shocking I agree with your dumb ass. 

[jerryskids 6,573]

19 minutes ago, MDC said:

Jerry is right. Around 70% of those in Gaza are under the age of 30. That means they’ve lived their entire lives behind a military blockade. It’s no wonder they hate Israel.

We should kill them.  

The topic I was discussing was the extent to which the Palestinian people develop a deep-seated hatred of Jews at an early age.  I would say that your post supports my assertion.

That is somewhat independent of who is to blame.  

But to your point, Israel restricts Palestinian movement because they have a disturbing way of doing terrorism things.  So they are stuck in a do loop.

 

[MDC 7,135]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The topic I was discussing was the extent to which the Palestinian people develop a deep-seated hatred of Jews at an early age.  I would say that your post supports my assertion.

That is somewhat independent of who is to blame.  

But to your point, Israel restricts Palestinian movement because they have a disturbing way of doing terrorism things.  So they are stuck in a do loop.

 

They are for sure. I just see a lot of polls, “Look how many Palestinians support Hamas!” That doesn’t surprise me. Most of them have lived behind a military blockade their entire lives. 

You’re right they’re stuck in a loop. It’s one of Israel and Palestine’s own creation and I’d rather the US let them figure it out.

[jerryskids 6,573]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

They are for sure. I just see a lot of polls, “Look how many Palestinians support Hamas!” That doesn’t surprise me. Most of them have lived behind a military blockade their entire lives. 

You’re right they’re stuck in a loop. It’s one of Israel and Palestine’s own creation and I’d rather the US let them figure it out.

Me too.  Of course, that would lead to a lot more glass and a lot less living Palestinians in Gaza.

Which I'd be OK with.  Because despite your reason for the most recent hatred, the Palestinians have always been a loose collection of barbaric, warring tribes.  When Israel was created, none of the surrounding Arab countries wanted the Palestinians in their lands.  They still don't.  If Israel is ever allowed to finish the job properly, whoever is left will just elect another shiotbag terrorist group to run them.  

[Strike 5,214]

5 hours ago, jerryskids said:

 

No focking way, I'm shocked!  Shocked I tell you! 

In unrelated, but no less shocking news, three teens are facing years in prison for leaving skidmarks on a pride mural that was painted in the......wait for it........street:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13513907/washington-spokane-teens-jail-lgbtq-rainbow-mural-vandalism.html

How dare they leave skidmarks in the street!!! 

[jerryskids 6,573]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

In unrelated, but no less shocking news, three teens are facing years in prison for leaving skidmarks on a pride mural that was painted in the......wait for it........street:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13513907/washington-spokane-teens-jail-lgbtq-rainbow-mural-vandalism.html

How dare they leave skidmarks in the street!!! 

This is in @thegeneral's state -- I'm sure he'll come along shortly to explain his Venn diagram of why skidmarks in the street is much more egregious than spray painting a statue and assaulting park rangers.   

[thegeneral 2,915]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

This is in @thegeneral's state -- I'm sure he'll come along shortly to explain his Venn diagram of why skidmarks in the street is much more egregious than spray painting a statue and assaulting park rangers.   

Yeah I speak on all things that happen in Washington

I have not heard of this story. This is in Spokane which is the conservative part of the state that’s pretty much Idaho.

You are a big Venn Diagram fan, huh?

[torridjoe 48]

11 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Well, here is data regarding the strong support of Hamas in Gaza in particular:

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-popular-among-palestinians/

Why wouldn’t the resistance government be popular? You never watch Star Wars?

not sure what the point of quoting pro genocide officials is. 

[torridjoe 48]

10 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Me too.  Of course, that would lead to a lot more glass and a lot less living Palestinians in Gaza.

Which I'd be OK with.  Because despite your reason for the most recent hatred, the Palestinians have always been a loose collection of barbaric, warring tribes.  When Israel was created, none of the surrounding Arab countries wanted the Palestinians in their lands.  They still don't.  If Israel is ever allowed to finish the job properly, whoever is left will just elect another shiotbag terrorist group to run them.  

You are subhuman. Literally worth nothing. 

[jerryskids 6,573]

9 hours ago, torridjoe said:

You are subhuman. Literally worth nothing. 

Sorry the truth conflicts with your worldview.

Let's start simple.

Have surrounding Arab countries ever welcomed in the Palestinians, yes or no?

[The Real timschochet 6,441]

18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Sorry the truth conflicts with your worldview.

Let's start simple.

Have surrounding Arab countries ever welcomed in the Palestinians, yes or no?

Yes. Jordan (which is made up of people indistinguishable from Palestinians) and Lebanon have taken in large numbers of Palestinians. Syria, Egypt and Qatar smaller numbers. 

[jerryskids 6,573]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes. Jordan (which is made up of people indistinguishable from Palestinians) and Lebanon have taken in large numbers of Palestinians. Syria, Egypt and Qatar smaller numbers. 

Fair enough.  In 1967 during/after the war, Jordan took in 300K Palestinians.  Also I think in general you are somewhat conflating where Palestinians have always lived vs. countries accepting new ones.  

Anyway, Egypt wants nothing to do with them.

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At the same time, Egypt says a mass exodus from Gaza would bring Hamas or other Palestinian militants onto its soil. That might be destabilizing in Sinai, where Egypt’s military fought for years against Islamic militants and at one point accused Hamas of backing them.

Egypt has backed Israel’s blockade of Gaza since Hamas took over in the territory in 2007, tightly controlling the entry of materials and the passage of civilians back and forth. It also destroyed the network of tunnels under the border that Hamas and other Palestinians used to smuggle goods into Gaza.

With the Sinai insurgency largely put down, “Cairo does not want to have a new security problem on its hands in this problematic region,” Fabiani said.

El-Sissi warned of an even more destabilizing scenario: the wrecking of Egypt and Israel’s 1979 peace deal. He said that with the presence of Palestinian militants, Sinai “would become a base for attacks on Israel. Israel would have the right to defend itself ... and would strike Egyptian territory.”

“The peace which we have achieved would vanish from our hands,” he said, “all for the sake of the idea of eliminating the Palestinian cause.”

https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d

Lebanon does not treat Palestinians well:

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 In Lebanon, in sharp contrast, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are stateless and over half live in overcrowded camps. The right to work is severely restricted, and massive poverty has become the norm. The situation of the Palestinians in Lebanon deteriorated steadily in the wake of the expulsion of PLO guerrillas following the 1982 Israeli invasion. By some accounts, of the 375,218 Palestinians registered as refugees with UNRWA in Lebanon, only some 200,000 remain; others have fled from the inhospitable conditions that successive Lebanese governments have sustained over the last two decades.

https://www.hrw.org/legacy/campaigns/israel/return/arab-rtr.htm

I'm not finding much on refugee acceptance since the Hamas era.  Egypt apparently took in 81 severely injured Palestinians the past November.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,844]

Nobody wants Palestinians because they're nothing but problems for everyone.  They support terrorism and won't move on from 2nd century thinking.  Unfortunately,  I don't see a good solution for the Palestinian Problem.  They don't want to change or compromise and that usually only means one thing - constant war.

[jerryskids 6,573]

24 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Nobody wants Palestinians because they're nothing but problems for everyone.  They support terrorism and won't move on from 2nd century thinking.  Unfortunately,  I don't see a good solution for the Palestinian Problem.  They don't want to change or compromise and that usually only means one thing - constant war.

This is the uncomfortable, difficult conversation that nobody wants to have, and why I get called "subhuman."    

[jonnyutah 250]

22 hours ago, torridjoe said:

Why wouldn’t the resistance government be popular? You never watch Star Wars?

not sure what the point of quoting pro genocide officials is. 

Israel is the resistance. Hamas are the hutts. The 1 billion surrounding islamic jihadists are the empire. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,949]

Pride month celebrations are currently underway in Israel. 

[The Real timschochet 6,441]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Pride month celebrations are currently underway in Israel. 

Well then it’s a good thing Mrs. Alito isn’t there. 

[Voltaire 5,202]

On 6/11/2024 at 10:42 AM, The Real timschochet said:

Yes. Jordan (which is made up of people indistinguishable from Palestinians) and Lebanon have taken in large numbers of Palestinians. Syria, Egypt and Qatar smaller numbers. 

Someone smack this pinata into orbit. I'm busy. 

[jonnyutah 250]

Did palestinians happen to cause anything in Lebanon? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,949]

Abortion is all but banned in Palestine, even for rape. Life or death of the mother is the only ones that are permissible.  If the father agrees. First offense is 1-3 years in prison.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

51 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Abortion is all but banned in Palestine, even for rape. Life or death of the mother is the only ones that are permissible.  If the father agrees. First offense is 1-3 years in prison.  

They're Animals. Liberals are afraid to say it  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,949]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They're Animals. Liberals are afraid to say it  

Funny they are worked up about Gaza, but DGAF about Sudan.  Weird. 

[jerryskids 6,573]

The leader of Hamas' strategy is to get Palestinian civilians killed to get negative press for Israel.

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Sinwar says the quiet part out loud: An extraordinary Wall Street Journal investigation published this week reveals the wartime correspondence of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar. The messages to compatriots and negotiations from his hiding place somewhere deep underneath Gaza reveal the twisted calculus driving the terrorist group. 

The Journal reports that his messages show “a cold disregard for human life and made clear he believes Israel has more to lose from the war than Hamas.” In one, Sinwar calls civilian deaths in Gaza “necessary sacrifices.” In a letter to Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh after three of Haniyeh’s adult sons were killed by an Israeli air strike, he said that their deaths—and the deaths of other Palestinians—would “infuse life into the veins of this nation, prompting it to rise to its glory and honor.”

These missives will come as no surprise to anyone familiar with Sinwar’s tactics and Hamas’s ideology. In 2018, Sinwar supported weekly protests at the border between Gaza and Israel precisely because Israeli soldiers would fire on agitators close to the fence. “We make the headlines only with blood,” he said in an interview from the time, quoted in the Journal story. “No blood, no news.” 

Sinwar is a delusional fanatic. (His lieutenants were making detailed plans to carve up a conquered Israel ahead of October 7.) But he has stuck to his darkly ruthless “no blood, no news” strategy throughout this war. Unfortunately, it has worked. The communications revealed by the Journal demonstrate what has been obvious since the start of the conflict: that Hamas knows civilian casualties make for good PR. And keep Sinwar’s cruel calculus in mind whenever you read about cease-fire negotiations or the obstacles to peace in Gaza.
—Oliver Wiseman 

"No blood, no news."  

But it's Israel's fault.

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

 

 

[jerryskids 6,573]

Some friendly pro-Hamas protests in the UK.  But Jews are mean too$#@!

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,949]

12 year old Jewish girl gang raped in France by Muslims. 

[listen2me 23 1,827]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Some friendly pro-Hamas protests in the UK.  But Jews are mean too$#@!

 

"We dont care about death"

"We love death"

[jerryskids 6,573]

11 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

"We dont care about death"

"We love death"

They don't mean it, Lefties told me so.  What they really want is a peaceful two-state non-theocratic solution.   

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,241]

58 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

They don't mean it, Lefties told me so.  What they really want is a peaceful two-state non-theocratic solution.   

Islam is the religion of peace. The Jew lefties here say so even