War in Israel

[jerryskids 6,567]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

You don't?  Well then let me just remind you, since you've forgotten, that Hamas is evil and soulless, they rape and burn women and children.  Then they hide behind their own human shields.  If you do not support Israel doing what it must to eradicate Hamas, including collateral damage caused ENTIRELY BY HAMAS HIDING BEHIND INNOCENTS, then you support the raping and burning of women and children.

Let me educate you that "doing what they must" does not equal murdering all the children in Gaza.  I wouldn't think I'd need to explain that, but here we are.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Let me educate you that "doing what they must" does not equal murdering all the children in Gaza.  I wouldn't think I'd need to explain that, but here we are.

If you do not support Israel doing what it must to eradicate Hamas, including collateral damage caused ENTIRELY BY HAMAS HIDING BEHIND  INNOCENTS, then you support the raping and burning of women and children.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

20 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I also imagine this correction is buried somewhere on their website, not front and center.

It is also one of those "apologies which isn't an apology," which I had to teach my children when they were young.  If your apology contains an explicit or implicit "but," it isn't an apology.

It’s right near the top and, for a newspaper, I’d say it’s a pretty full apology.

Certainly doesn’t undo the damage from the initial false reporting, but I thought it was interesting.

Of course you guys won’t be satisfied regardless. It’s aimed more at centrists, who probably figure it’s good that they’ve acknowledged the error, hope they’ll take something from it, but realize that can’t unwind that clock and they definitely did fock up.

[jerryskids 6,567]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

If you do not support Israel doing what it must to eradicate Hamas, including collateral damage caused ENTIRELY BY HAMAS HIDING BEHIND  INNOCENTS, then you support the raping and burning of women and children.

Murdering all the children in Gaza is not part of "must."  Did you punch yourself in the face again this morning?   

[seafoam1 2,802]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

If you do not support Israel doing what it must to eradicate Hamas, including collateral damage caused ENTIRELY BY HAMAS HIDING BEHIND  INNOCENTS, then you support the raping and burning of women and children.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

26 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

I've already explained to you multiple times, but you won't acknowledge or respond.  Hamas is evil and soulless, they rape and burn women and children.  Then they hide behind their own human shields.  If you do not support Israel doing what it must to eradicate Hamas, including collateral damage caused ENTIRELY BY HAMAS HIDING BEHIND INNOCENTS, then you support the raping and burning of women and children.

Every death in those humanizing pictures that the Leftist MSM shows you lies squarely in the arms of Hamas.  Unless you want Israel to back off, in which case Hamas will rape and burn more Israeli women and children.

There is no "I wish they could all just get along." 

Which side are you on, Tim?

Obviously there’s a line somewhere.

If Israel was going to nuke Gaza and all its 1.3 million people, you would probably oppose that, I’m guessing?

So the question is, where is the line. Reasonable minds can differ, I don’t think anyone really has the 100% complete and accurate answer to that question right now 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Murdering all the children in Gaza is not part of "must."  Did you punch yourself in the face again this morning?   

So you're not willing to eradicate Hamas then.  You support the raping and burning of women and children.

[seafoam1 2,802]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Obviously there’s a line somewhere.

If Israel was going to nuke Gaza and all its 1.3 million people, you would probably oppose that, I’m guessing?

So the question is, where is the line. Reasonable minds can differ, I don’t think anyone really has the 100% complete and accurate answer to that question right now 

I do. Wipe them all out. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

I do. Wipe them all out. 

So there’s the hard line approach.

Fortunately you’re not in a position of power.

And if you were, I suspect you’d have to moderate yourself a bit.

Feels good taking the hard line approach when it really doesn’t matter and you’d never actually do it anyways. But for the adults, we have to deal with the grey areas 

[jerryskids 6,567]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

So you're not willing to eradicate Hamas then.  You support the raping and burning of women and children.

 

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Obviously there’s a line somewhere.

If Israel was going to nuke Gaza and all its 1.3 million people, you would probably oppose that, I’m guessing?

So the question is, where is the line. Reasonable minds can differ, I don’t think anyone really has the 100% complete and accurate answer to that question right now 

Indiscriminately murdering all the children in Gaza would be evil on the level of Hamas; Hamas would do the same to Israel if they could.  As such Israel would be acting with the same soulless evil as Hamas, and I would not support it.

I love when Gutter thinks he has some gotcha and he keeps gnawing away at it like a yip yip dog.   

[nobody 2,564]

Obviously collateral damage needs to be kept to a minimum.  It's a tragedy that the woman lost her family. 

Hopefully, Palestinians can help root out Hamas.  Then the loss of innocent life could be avoided.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, jerryskids said:

 

Indiscriminately murdering all the children in Gaza would be evil on the level of Hamas; Hamas would do the same to Israel if they could.  As such Israel would be acting with the same soulless evil as Hamas, and I would not support it.

I love when Gutter thinks he has some gotcha and he keeps gnawing away at it like a yip yip dog.   

You got my point.  You're not honest enough to admit it, but I'm sure you see your rhetoric is ridiculous.

"If you do not support Israel doing what it must to eradicate Hamas, including collateral damage caused ENTIRELY BY HAMAS HIDING BEHIND  INNOCENTS, then you support the raping and burning of women and children."  is a stupid thing to say, and you're admission that you don't support killing children as collateral damage proves it.

[RogerDodger 797]

25 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

“Their side killed children so my side has to kill children.” This argument is supposed to be morally acceptable? Bullsh!t. I will never accept it. And Fock anyone who thinks this way. 

Full transformation of Tim over the weekend from being waterboarded with the MSM cool-aide.  

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

Obviously collateral damage needs to be kept to a minimum.  It's a tragedy that the woman lost her family. 

Hopefully, Palestinians can help root out Hamas.  Then the loss of innocent life could be avoided.

This is the correct take.

[RogerDodger 797]

Hey guys, you can't support a war that has collateral damage without supporting collateral damage therefore you support killing innocent children.  Ha Ha!

[jerryskids 6,567]

10 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s right near the top and, for a newspaper, I’d say it’s a pretty full apology.

Certainly doesn’t undo the damage from the initial false reporting, but I thought it was interesting.

Of course you guys won’t be satisfied regardless. It’s aimed more at centrists, who probably figure it’s good that they’ve acknowledged the error, hope they’ll take something from it, but realize that can’t unwind that clock and they definitely did fock up.

I just looked, the link said something like "NYT has issued an editor's note about it's coverage of the Gaza hospital."  That headline does not scream "we focked up."  I clicked in then backed up, and it is no longer there.  Perhaps this is a feature of their website, to no longer show an article once it has been clicked?  Anyway, that is why I can't quote the exact link wording.  

[seafoam1 2,802]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

So there’s the hard line approach.

Fortunately you’re not in a position of power.

And if you were, I suspect you’d have to moderate yourself a bit.

Feels good taking the hard line approach when it really doesn’t matter and you’d never actually do it anyways. But for the adults, we have to deal with the grey areas 

Unfortunately you mean. You would save nazi Germany to protect a nazi sympathizer in 1943. You and your bullshlt liberal fake concerns. Go start kkk again, it will reenergize you. 

[jerryskids 6,567]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You got my point.  You're not honest enough to admit it, but I'm sure you see your rhetoric is ridiculous.

"If you do not support Israel doing what it must to eradicate Hamas, including collateral damage caused ENTIRELY BY HAMAS HIDING BEHIND  INNOCENTS, then you support the raping and burning of women and children."  is a stupid thing to say, and you're admission that you don't support killing children as collateral damage proves it.

Actually, your rhetoric is stupid, because it takes things to an extreme that has been proven Israel won't go to.  What if Israel decided they needed to nuke the entire middle east to eradicate Hamas?  Or all of Earth, gutter?  What then?$#@!  Would I support that?  Jeebus...

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

10 minutes ago, nobody said:

Obviously collateral damage needs to be kept to a minimum.  It's a tragedy that the woman lost her family. 

Hopefully, Palestinians can help root out Hamas.  Then the loss of innocent life could be avoided.

Correct and agreed.   Unfortunately it appears that the majority of Palestinians support Hamas.  So here we are.  

[seafoam1 2,802]

Collateral damage is a call for arms against those who are being collaterally damaged for. 

Fight for your family because that is all you have left at this point. 

Turn against the focking Hamas and make it tougher for them to rape and kill you in the future. Even if you die, die with a purpose. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Palestinian parents celebrate their sons martyrdom but it’s on Israel to consider their sons. 

[Reality 3,097]

Well said.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Queers for Palestine. 

[jonnyutah 248]

58 minutes ago, DonS said:

Care to elaborate on the bolded? 

The Israelis could just give them money, feed them, bathe them, stroke their Muslim egos and bow down to them. They are so close to making Hamas like them and then there will be peace and prosperity. 

This will also lead these Muslim men to see the error of their ways and start being really nice to women and marginalized people. 

Israel just stands in the way of all of this. 

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

24 minutes ago, Reality said:

Well said.

 

It is well said, and one of the primary reasons we’ve been asking you guys to support Ukraine even though Trump’s butt buddy Putin is on the other side.

Glad you see it my way now

And yes, absolutely the US should (and does) support Israel as well  

[seafoam1 2,802]

6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It is well said, and one of the primary reasons we’ve been asking you guys to support Ukraine even though Trump’s butt buddy Putin is on the other side.

Glad you see it my way now

And yes, absolutely the US should (and does) support Israel as well  

You mean support Ukraine where their biggest grossing business is human trafficking? Slavery? 

Yeah, the liberal mind at work....

[RogerDodger 797]

 

 

[seafoam1 2,802]

3 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

 

 

[HellToupee 1,587]

 

19 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

 

 

I miss those mean spirited tweets. Sure  would be nice to have them

[Strike 5,186]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Let me educate you that "doing what they must" does not equal murdering all the children in Gaza.  I wouldn't think I'd need to explain that, but here we are.

Yep.  Unlike the terrorists, Israel does as much as possible to avoid civilians and focus on the terrorists.  Case in point:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/israeli-army-releases-footage-first-operational-use-iron-sting-munition-destroying-rocket-launcher

 

[nobody 2,564]

39 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Go war!

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

Let’s start over because we’re closer than we think. 
 

@jerryskids, and those that agree with him, are not in favor of the indiscriminate killing of children or innocent people, But they also believe that Hamas is evil and must be destroyed, and if that results in innocent people dying as collateral damage (mainly because Hamas is using them as human shields) then that is an acceptable cost of war. (Jerry, hopefully I have represented your view correctly. If not I apologize and please feel free to correct me.) 

My view, and those that agree with me, is also that Hamas is evil and must be destroyed. And bombing innocent people doesn’t serve this purpose in an efficient manner. I understand why they’re doing it but I would prefer they be cautious and take out the leadership of Hamas through assassination and strategic strikes rather than wholesale bombing and ground invasion. 
 

A third view, which my Muslim friends have offered to me over the last few days is that what Israel is doing by bombing Gaza is evil and immoral because innocent people are dying including children. To them the actions of Hamas while terrible, are besides the point; Israel is the aggressor and they are supported by the United States which is therefore also the aggressor. Hamas’ actions don’t matter because this latest action by Israel is part of decades of oppression against the Palestinian people. (I want to make it clear that I disagree strongly with this point of view, but I don’t condemn it as immoral) as some probably would. 
 

I don’t know if there is any meeting place between Jerry and my Muslim friends, and if forced to choose I lean toward Jerry. But I don’t want to have to be forced to choose. Maybe the only commonality between all of us is that nobody wants to see children die. Maybe we can use that idea to build on the rest, 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yep.  Unlike the terrorists, Israel does as much as possible to avoid civilians and focus on the terrorists.  Case in point:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/israeli-army-releases-footage-first-operational-use-iron-sting-munition-destroying-rocket-launcher

 

This is true, it’s why Israel are still the good guys. Not that they don’t sometimes commit bad acts, but they’re still part of the light. For now. 

[seafoam1 2,802]

Just now, nobody said:

Go war!

Go killing mass murderer terrorists!!!

Kill nations that are into terrorism and/or human trafficking like Ukraine.

[Strike 5,186]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

This is true, it’s why Israel are still the good guys. Not that they don’t sometimes commit bad acts, but they’re still part of the light. For now. 

No.  Hard stop.  Go back and read the links I posted yesterday and then come back and tell me how Israel is EVER the bad guy. 

[HellToupee 1,587]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

tell me how Israel is EVER the bad guy.

Don’t you understand, they’re the bad guy for being there

[Strike 5,186]

Just now, HellToupee said:

Don’t you understand, they’re the bad guy for being there

AND defending itself.

[jerryskids 6,567]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Let’s start over because we’re closer than we think. 
 

@jerryskids, and those that agree with him, are not in favor of the indiscriminate killing of children or innocent people, But they also believe that Hamas is evil and must be destroyed, and if that results in innocent people dying as collateral damage (mainly because Hamas is using them as human shields) then that is an acceptable cost of war. (Jerry, hopefully I have represented your view correctly. If not I apologize and please feel free to correct me.) 

My view, and those that agree with me, is also that Hamas is evil and must be destroyed. And bombing innocent people doesn’t serve this purpose in an efficient manner. I understand why they’re doing it but I would prefer they be cautious and take out the leadership of Hamas through assassination and strategic strikes rather than wholesale bombing and ground invasion. 
 

A third view, which my Muslim friends have offered to me over the last few days is that what Israel is doing by bombing Gaza is evil and immoral because innocent people are dying including children. To them the actions of Hamas while terrible, are besides the point; Israel is the aggressor and they are supported by the United States which is therefore also the aggressor. Hamas’ actions don’t matter because this latest action by Israel is part of decades of oppression against the Palestinian people. (I want to make it clear that I disagree strongly with this point of view, but I don’t condemn it as immoral) as some probably would. 
 

I don’t know if there is any meeting place between Jerry and my Muslim friends, and if forced to choose I lean toward Jerry. But I don’t want to have to be forced to choose. Maybe the only commonality between all of us is that nobody wants to see children die. Maybe we can use that idea to build on the rest, 

I would say you've captured the essence of my position.  A few responses:

1. If "assassination and strategic strikes" is your magical unicorn solution to the problem, Imma think they are already doing that and have been for years.

2. They are doing "strategic strikes," not "wholesale bombing."  This is where you start to lose me and I am increasingly convinced that you are just a parrot for the Leftist MSM.  If Israel were "wholesale bombing," Gaza would be destroyed.

3. It doesn't seem like your Muslim friends like the US very much.  I'd be happy to talk to them and explain how Hamas is evil and soulless, but they would probably want me dead.

[DonS 3,292]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I would say you've captured the essence of my position.  A few responses:

1. If "assassination and strategic strikes" is your magical unicorn solution to the problem, Imma think they are already doing that and have been for years.

 

Sounds similar to Biden's suggestion to simply shoot bad guys in the leg to solve "systemic  police brutality". 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

War is hell.  Don’t start any if you care about your people instead of being beholden to your ancient bloodlust.