Baker Mayfield may still be a franchise QB.

[seafoam1 2,822]

Baker Mayfield is now only the 2nd QB to ever register a perfect QB rating at Lambeau. 1st ever visiting QB to do that. 

[League Champion 1,896]

A crappy franchise QB maybe 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,254]

hes playing really well, hes a top 10 QB right now

 

[MDC 7,177]

Browns gonna Browns.  

[iam90sbaby 2,504]

Minshew is better 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,737]

I always thought he had the opportunity to be a consistent top 20 QB.  Browns really messed him up.  

[listen2me 23 1,831]

If you watched the game you would know that thr packers defense was putrid.  Did Baker play good?  Sure.  But thr numbers lie.  

Go look at his previous 3 games.  Go look at Devito's games.  GB is the outlier because Joe Barry is incompetent.   

It was basically training camp pitch and catch.   

[listen2me 23 1,831]

The last 2 games prior he was 14 of 29 in both games vs atl and carolina.  

What are you people smoking?  Lol

Overreaction much?

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

As long as he's a franchise QB outside of Tampa, I'm ok with it.  Baker Mayfield is really no different than any other high end backup.  Look at Mariotta and Winston for examples.  Both had great/amazing games here and there, but the overall body of work is below average.  That's Baker Mayfield.  He's not a QB that you can win with because the things that he is worst at, are magnified in the playoffs.  I say that because you pretty much only play good teams in the playoffs and Mayfield's issues against good teams in the regular season are evident and it's why the Bucs lose.

Mayfield severely struggles with the intermediate passing window, he also struggles with reading defenses when they blitz.  Any team that gets pressure on him, while he is good at moving in the pocket, he's very bad at making the play work. 

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Minnesota didn't show off their new defense much in the preseason so there's a lot unknown as to how well a heavily overturned roster will perform when the real action starts. Their first test will come against a quarterback who has been pretty bad against pressure throughout his career.

Mayfield's undoing on the field has been his inability to deal with pressure, seeing his career 61.4 completion percentage plummet to 45.7 percent when he's pressured, throwing 22 touchdowns to 24 interceptions while under duress.

Baker Mayfield passing grades under pressure

2018 - 58.8

2019 - 61.5

2020 - 41.0

2021 - 35.8

2022 - 30.8

Compare those abysmal grades to when he has a clean pocket and the game plan for the Vikings becomes clear.

Baker Mayfield passing grades when kept clean

2018 - 86.1

2019 - 76.3

2020 - 91.2

2021 - 74.0

2022 - 63.5

If the overhauled Vikings defense can bring the pressure Sunday against a Tampa offensive line, decimated by injuries, then Flores will have passed the first test of the season ahead of brutal early stretch of games.

 

Tampa did have more points in that game, but that's because Minnesota lost, by turning the ball over 3 times (the first when they were inside the Tampa 30, the second was inside the Minnesota 20, and the third was inside the Tampa 15).  With 3 takeaways, the Bucs got 10 points and still only won by 3.  In that game, Mayfield had a passing grade of 41.4 under pressure.

 

Mayfield hasn't been "terrible" under pressure this year, but he's been bad.  He had 2 games where he put up good numbers, vs Houston and Green Bay (mediocre defenses).  In the other games, he's inline with his career subpar numbers.  Prior to yesterday's game, Mayfield ranked 19th in the NFL under pressure.  In the playoffs, this is a losing proposition.

 

Mayfield is a mediocre QB who at times can have a great game, but he's still a mediocre QB.  I'd rather someone else give him a chance.  Sadly, the Bucs roster is solid and good enough to win half their games, with a meh QB, so a top 10 pick isn't likely.  Being in a bad division only makes it harder for them to get a better draft pick.  When you look at the rosters of Atlanta and New Orleans, who's records are similar to Tampa's, Tampa's is a way better over all team and they're being brought down by a meh QB.

[Mike Honcho 5,152]

30 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

If you watched the game you would know that thr packers defense was putrid.  Did Baker play good?  Sure.  But thr numbers lie.  

Go look at his previous 3 games.  Go look at Devito's games.  GB is the outlier because Joe Barry is incompetent.   

It was basically training camp pitch and catch.   

Everybody looks like a franchise QB playing against Barry's defense. Joe's gotta go!

[Reality 3,118]

He's proven that he's a serviceable starting QB, not every team has one. 

ATL NE Pitt LV NYG Wash & NO would all be better off if he was their starter. There may be more, those are just off the top of my head.

[listen2me 23 1,831]

19 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Everybody looks like a franchise QB playing against Barry's defense. Joe's gotta go!

Heres to hoping.  But things move slow in GB.  Lafleur is also a bit of a p*ssy with this stuff.  

If they want to wait until after the season (I wouldnt) thrn thats fine.  As long as he is no longer in thr building come spring.  

[listen2me 23 1,831]

Just now, Reality said:

He's proven that he's a serviceable starting QB, not every team has one. 

ATL NE Pitt LV NYG Wash & NO would all be better off if he was their starter. There may be more, those are just off the top of my head.

I agree.  I don't think many people have ever said otherwise.   Hes a bottom end starter.  

[seafoam1 2,822]

My take is maybe he's just getting better over time. Who really knows if he has hit his ceiling?

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

He's proven that he's a serviceable starting QB, not every team has one. 

ATL NE Pitt LV NYG Wash & NO would all be better off if he was their starter. There may be more, those are just off the top of my head.

 

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

I agree.  I don't think many people have ever said otherwise.   Hes a bottom end starter.  

I would love it if Mayfield went to Atlanta or New Orleans next year.

[seafoam1 2,822]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

I would love it if Mayfield went to Atlanta or New Orleans next year.

Who would Tampa put in as a starter?

[MDC 7,177]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

When you look at the rosters of Atlanta and New Orleans, who's records are similar to Tampa's, Tampa's is a way better over all team and they're being brought down by a meh QB.

Not being a smartass here, but can’t NO and ATL say the same thing? Their QB situations are at least as bad as TB.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,019]

He plays hero ball too much. But he can be fun to watch. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,479]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He plays hero ball too much. But he can be fun to watch. 

He is the poor mans version of Phillip Rivers.

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

Not being a smartass here, but can’t NO and ATL say the same thing? Their QB situations are at least as bad as TB.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ridder blows chunks and Carr is way worse in NO than he was in LV, but I'm certainly not saying I'd rather have either one.  I know that NO and/or ATL will move on from their QB's, it's pretty obvious.  When that happens, I'd be pretty happy if Mayfield went to one of those teams and Tampa got someone else... almost anyone, else.  Mayfield isn't a guy you can "win" with.  Sure, he can not screw up games in the regular season, but he can't win playoff games.

[MDC 7,177]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Don't get me wrong, I think Ridder blows chunks and Carr is way worse in NO than he was in LV, but I'm certainly not saying I'd rather have either one.  I know that NO and/or ATL will move on from their QB's, it's pretty obvious.  When that happens, I'd be pretty happy if Mayfield went to one of those teams and Tampa got someone else... almost anyone, else.  Mayfield isn't a guy you can "win" with.  Sure, he can not screw up games in the regular season, but he can't win playoff games.

I totally agree with you on Mayfield. I just don’t know whether TB’s roster is better than ATL or NO but dragged down by bad QB play, because their QB situations are even worse.

NO needs a full reset. ATL seems like they have all the ingredients of a good O except for QB. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

I totally agree with you on Mayfield. I just don’t know whether TB’s roster is better than ATL or NO but dragged down by bad QB play, because their QB situations are even worse.

NO needs a full reset. ATL seems like they have all the ingredients of a good O except for QB. 

The three teams are built differently and Atlanta and New Orleans do have better run-blocking OL'men, but after that, Tampa's roster is better.  Also, I do think Atlanta and New Orleans are better coached.  I'm not a big fan of Todd Bowles as an HC... as a DC, I was perfectly fine with him.  Schedule also is a component.  Yeah, they have 14 games in common, but of the 3 that they don't, Tampa got San Fran, Philly, and Buffalo.  By most, 2 of those 3 are considered 2 of the best in the league and the other is still really good.  Tampa went 0-3 against them.  Pretty sure that NO and ATL would have also.  Conversely, New Orleans played the Giants, New England, and the Rams (this coming week), in which they are 2-0.  Atlanta got Washington, Arizona, and the Giants, of which they 1-2.  Let's say they all played the 3 that Tampa did, both the Saints and Atlanta would likely be 5-9.  If Tampa had either of the other two teams' opponents, Tampa would be at worst, 9-5.  Under that scenario, I don't think were having this conversation as the other two being brought down by QB play.  I think everyone would be in agreement that Atlanta and New Orleans both are really bad.

[League Champion 1,896]

Please, Mayfield sucks! 

A few good games and y'all have him in the Hall of Fame.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,882]

7 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

Everybody looks like a franchise QB playing against Barry's defense. Joe's gotta go!

So...you're saying I still have a chance?!?!?

[IGotWorms 4,057]

This is almost as dumb as peefoam’s take on home ownership  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,254]

He has a 24-8 td/int rate and a 95 qbr. He’s better than some think and worse than others 

[seafoam1 2,822]

2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

This is almost as dumb as peefoam’s take on home ownership  

You are still embarassed about your stupidity on that? Keep lashing out corky, and you may never get over your failure. 

[Ron_Artest 1,132]

On 12/18/2023 at 10:33 AM, seafoam1 said:

Baker Mayfield is now only the 2nd QB to ever register a perfect QB rating at Lambeau. 1st ever visiting QB to do that. 

Update?

[seafoam1 2,822]

On 12/31/2023 at 3:27 PM, Ron_Artest said:

Update?

He's still  only the 2nd QB to ever register a perfect QB rating at Lambeau. 1st ever visiting QB to do that. 

[Reality 3,118]

On 12/31/2023 at 2:27 PM, Ron_Artest said:

Update?

1 of 8 left, not too shabby for a never-was...

[Gepetto 1,306]

8 minutes ago, Reality said:

1 of 8 left, not too shabby for a never-was...

I could have sworn he won the Heisman trophy and was the 1st overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft and looked pretty good for a couple or so years with the Browns.

[weepaws 3,158]

2 hours ago, Gepetto said:

I could have sworn he won the Heisman trophy and was the 1st overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft and looked pretty good for a couple or so years with the Browns.

Nice.  

[seafoam1 2,822]

On 12/31/2023 at 3:27 PM, Ron_Artest said:

Update?

You really need one? 

[listen2me 23 1,831]

I also saw him throw for 137 yds and no tds in a need it game vs the panthers 2 week ago putting up 9 pts.   

[Ron_Artest 1,132]

7 hours ago, Reality said:

1 of 8 left, not too shabby for a never-was...

He beat the Eagles, let's not get too crazy here.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,737]

Bailing on him after he played hurt most of the year and giving up the farm for Watson might go down as the worst move in Cleveland sports history.  

[edjr 6,578]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

I also saw him throw for 137 yds and no tds in a need it game vs the panthers 2 week ago putting up 9 pts.   

what did TB12 do in Super Bowl 53? against the pathetic rams.

[listen2me 23 1,831]

42 minutes ago, edjr said:

what did TB12 do in Super Bowl 53? against the pathetic rams.

Has nothing to do with anything.  Whatd he do before that?  Now do Baker for his career before this.  

Baker is Baker.  A low end starter.  Maybe he improves to middle of the road. 

Everyone swung off Dak's nuts this year.  Until he played a playoff game and everyone remembered what hr has been for years now.  

[Reality 3,118]

11 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Has nothing to do with anything.  Whatd he do before that?  Now do Baker for his career before this.  

Baker is Baker.  A low end starter.  Maybe he improves to middle of the road. 

Everyone swung off Dak's nuts this year.  Until he played a playoff game and everyone remembered what hr has been for years now.  

He's middle of the road now, the QB talent pool in the NFL is much shallower than people realize.

Better than - CAR, ATL, NO, CHI, WSH, NYG, DEN, LV, TEN, PIT, CLE (), & NE.

Some of those teams have high draft picks they'll use on a QB but, the hit rate is what on 1st round picks, 30%?

Possibly better than - SEA, NYJ (who knows what Rodgers has left), Philly (Hurts looks to be exposed), IND (maybe they have a player maybe they don't), MIN (Cousins free agent coming off achilles). 

It ain't pretty out there. I don't think he's great or has a higher ceiling but, he's definitely middle of the road and more than serviceable.

[edjr 6,578]

25 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

 

Everyone swung off Dak's nuts this year.  Until he played a playoff game and everyone remembered what hr has been for years now.  

Not this guy

If Baker were drafted by the cowboys instead of the Brownies, the Cowboys would have been better the past few years for sure.