Are you willing to see the government shut down unless Democrats accept conservative proposals regarding the border and spending?

[The Real timschochet 6,448]

It’s a pretty basic question, and I’m asking it of conservatives in this forum. I’m not making any arguments or judgments. The right wing in Congress does not want to go along with the deal that Mike Johnson agreed to. They are demanding: 

1. A return to Remain in Mexico, Trump’s other policies on the border, and funding for a complete wall across the southern border. 

2. Severe cuts to the spending package, including the stoppage of all monies going to sanctuary cities until these cities end their sanctuary city status. 

3. No more money for Ukraine. 
 

These Republicans, led by Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene, represent a minority of the House but there are enough to prevent a deal being reached. They will not agree to any deal without these 3 points and would rather see the government shut down. My question to conservatives here is: do you agree with them? Or do you think that Mike Johnson’s compromise should be accepted? Or do you have another solution in mind? 

[gas 139]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s a pretty basic question, and I’m asking it of conservatives in this forum. I’m not making any arguments or judgments. The right wing in Congress does not want to go along with the deal that Mike Johnson agreed to. They are demanding: 

1. A return to Remain in Mexico, Trump’s other policies on the border, and funding for a complete wall across the southern border. 

2. Severe cuts to the spending package, including the stoppage of all monies going to sanctuary cities until these cities end their sanctuary city status. 

3. No more money for Ukraine. 
 

These Republicans, led by Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene, represent a minority of the House but there are enough to prevent a deal being reached. They will not agree to any deal without these 3 points and would rather see the government shut down. My question to conservatives here is: do you agree with them? Or do you think that Mike Johnson’s compromise should be accepted? Or do you have another solution in mind? 

Far more Federal $ goes to Red states than Blue cities, which is something these nimrods usually remember after a couple of weeks of shutdown.   Blue cities financially support the real welfare queens- the Red states.

[seafoam1 2,805]

Liberals are so stupid. 

[lickin_starfish 1,893]

Nobody replied to Timmy's post for 3 hours, so he switched to an alias and answered himself. Sad.

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

36 minutes ago, gas said:

Far more Federal $ goes to Red states than Blue cities, which is something these nimrods usually remember after a couple of weeks of shutdown.   Blue cities financially support the real welfare queens- the Red states.

Yeah we’ve been over this 8 of the top 10 states in Medicaid expenditures are blue states. Get some new material commie.

[The Real timschochet 6,448]

20 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Yeah we’ve been over this 8 of the top 10 states in Medicaid expenditures are blue states. Get some new material commie.

Do you agree with the hardliners in Congress? 

[gas 139]

1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

Yeah we’ve been over this 8 of the top 10 states in Medicaid expenditures are blue states. Get some new material commie.

Sure, but Medicare expenditures are only part of Federal spending.  Red state welfare queen.

[gas 139]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Liberals are so stupid. 

Are you bothered that I successfully doxed you as StealthyCat based purely on your unique brand of stupidity?

[jonmx 2,424]

Our government needs to be shutdown and completely revamped with transparency and accountability.  Our fedetak government works against the people and their rights far too often.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,243]

I agree with a complete shutdown. One of the primary and only purpose of the government is to protect the country. If they aren’t doing that then we have no country to protect 

[seafoam1 2,805]

2 hours ago, gas said:

Are you bothered that I successfully doxed you as StealthyCat based purely on your unique brand of stupidity?

What universe are living in? 

##### weird dude. 

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

7 hours ago, gas said:

Sure, but Medicare expenditures are only part of Federal spending.  Red state welfare queen.

I live in Massachusetts dingleberry 

[Raven Fan 362]

I'm a massive lib but the border is a disaster and is worth shutting the government down to address since sleepy Joe doesn't seem interested.

A lot of the criticism leveled at joe on the economy are complete lies, but the border actually outweighs all the good.

Something drastic needs to be done. 

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Do you agree with the hardliners in Congress? 

Of course I do the same way I agree with most here that you’re a loser. 

[5-Points 3,397]

Absolutely.

[Nomad99 700]

Well......Texas is certainly fed up with the situation....

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-seizes-control-park-near-border-anticipation-future-illegal-immigrant-surges

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,854]

9 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

Yeah we’ve been over this 8 of the top 10 states in Medicaid expenditures are blue states. Get some new material commie.

Notice how he compared Red "States" to Blue "Cities"?  A deliberate misdirection to avoid the hard, painful truth that in those Red States, most of that money goes to blue controlled cities.  When you break down the real numbers you can't sky scream "OMG!! Red States!!", which is why he has to compare apples to oranges or outright lie.

[Nomad99 700]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Notice how he compared Red "States" to Blue "Cities"?  A deliberate misdirection to avoid the hard, painful truth that in those Red States, most of that money goes to blue controlled cities.  When you break down the real numbers you can't sky scream "OMG!! Red States!!", which is why he has to compare apples to oranges or outright lie.

You smooth bastage

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Notice how he compared Red "States" to Blue "Cities"?  A deliberate misdirection to avoid the hard, painful truth that in those Red States, most of that money goes to blue controlled cities.  When you break down the real numbers you can't sky scream "OMG!! Red States!!", which is why he has to compare apples to oranges or outright lie.

Good catch. It’s a garbage argument anyway because every study I’ve seen on the subject includes SS disbursement, pensions, Medicare and defense spending in their calculations. Blue states are the real welfare states. 

[Cdub100 3,843]

I'm not a conservative, but yes I hope they shut down.

I hold no belief the uniparty will do it though. Conservatives are weak. They are all bark and no bite. In fact, they like when it when they don't have power so they can bark louder.

[Voltaire 5,203]

I support Ukraine funding and have been 85% supportive of what the Biden administration ahs been doing there. But not securing the border is a far more important issue and holding up funding of his priorities in order to force the administration to do something about it seems the only way anything will get done.

[Raven Fan 362]

5 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Good catch. It’s a garbage argument anyway because every study I’ve seen on the subject includes SS disbursement, pensions, Medicare and defense spending in their calculations. Blue states are the real welfare states. 

None of what you listed counts as welfare boyo.

The facts remain that the poorest and least educated states are overwhelmingly bright bright red.  The richest and best educated are bright bright blue.

Blue counties produce 75%+ of the country's GDP despite there being far fewer blue counties.

And please save your tired "hur dur da baltimore city kids can't read hur dur" childish arguments.  And also let's not try to blame the red states being poor on minorities since the bigly MAJORITY of voters in red states are cultist.  And were that argument to actually hold water than bigly diverse blue states would be the poorest and dumbest, yet they ain't.

Face facts, red states are about not progressing, sky fairies, and fear of minorities.

[lickin_starfish 1,893]

Your "best educated" people believe that women can have prostates.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

“Willing”?

The MAGA crowd is foaming at the mouth over it

[Raven Fan 362]

Just now, lickin_starfish said:

Your "best educated" people believe that women can have prostates.

What % of liberals do you honestly think believe this boyo?

Your answer will let us know how far down the alt right, moron rabbit hole you are. 

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

24 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

None of what you listed counts as welfare boyo.

The facts remain that the poorest and least educated states are overwhelmingly bright bright red.  The richest and best educated are bright bright blue.

Blue counties produce 75%+ of the country's GDP despite there being far fewer blue counties.

And please save your tired "hur dur da baltimore city kids can't read hur dur" childish arguments.  And also let's not try to blame the red states being poor on minorities since the bigly MAJORITY of voters in red states are cultist.  And were that argument to actually hold water than bigly diverse blue states would be the poorest and dumbest, yet they ain't.

Face facts, red states are about not progressing, sky fairies, and fear of minorities.

Yup that’s why 8 out of the top 10 states for Medicaid expenditures are blue states. All those smarties below poverty level. 

[Raven Fan 362]

2 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

Yup that’s why 8 out of the top 10 states for Medicaid expenditures are blue states. All those smarties below poverty level. 

I’d try to explain the Medicaid rules and who’s eligible is different by state.  Rich blue states care about their residents so they have expanded Medicaid coverage.  Poor red states DGAF about their poor, dumb residents.

But I’ve have better luck trying to explain this to a goldfish.

I hope they change your water soon boyo.

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

26 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

I’d try to explain the Medicaid rules and who’s eligible is different by state.  Rich blue states care about their residents so they have expanded Medicaid coverage.  Poor red states DGAF about their poor, dumb residents.

But I’ve have better luck trying to explain this to a goldfish.

I hope they change your water soon boyo.

Medicaid Federal Poverty Guidelines for 2023 

Household Size	100%	133%
1	$13,590	$18,075
2	$18,310	$24,352
3	$23,030	$30,630
4	$27,750	$36,908

Seems odd all these wealthy blue states have so many more poors than red states why is that?

[Raven Fan 362]

7 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Medicaid Federal Poverty Guidelines for 2023 

Household Size	100%	133%
1	$13,590	$18,075
2	$18,310	$24,352
3	$23,030	$30,630
4	$27,750	$36,908

Seems odd all these wealthy blue states have so many more poors than red states why is that?

Ah yes, the states with the highest median income are the poorest according to this goldfish.

This kind of short bus thinking is par for the course for a cultist.

”hur dur dey give more residents Medicaid dey more poor hur dur”

LMFAO

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

3 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

Ah yes, the states with the highest median income are the poorest according to this goldfish.

This kind of short bus thinking is par for the course for a cultist.

”hur dur dey give more residents Medicaid dey more poor hur dur”

LMFAO

36k for a family of 4 in California. Think about that. So much for that high median income that must go far since California is so affordable. High median income blue states .

[HellToupee 1,596]

On 1/13/2024 at 10:17 AM, IGotWorms said:

“Willing”?

The MAGA crowd is foaming at the mouth over it

Boy has the worm turned 

[Cdub100 3,843]

Not a conservative, but I want a nice long shut down.

[listen2me 23 1,831]

What is the benefit of a "sanctuary city"?  

List them 

[The Real timschochet 6,448]

22 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

What is the benefit of a "sanctuary city"?  

List them 

Undocumented immigrants who came here looking for a better life and who have not committed violent crimes deserve amnesty and a path to citizenship. Not deportation. Sanctuary cities, by refusing to cooperate with the federal government in rounding up innocent people and turning them in, assist with that ultimate goal. And it allows some of us to sleep better at night knowing that we are not Vichy French collaborators. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,961]

37 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Undocumented immigrants who came here looking for a better life and who have not committed violent crimes deserve amnesty and a path to citizenship. Not deportation. Sanctuary cities, by refusing to cooperate with the federal government in rounding up innocent people and turning them in, assist with that ultimate goal. And it allows some of us to sleep better at night knowing that we are not Vichy French collaborators. 

Why do sanctuary cities let illegal violent criminals go without notifying ICE?

[seafoam1 2,805]

39 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Undocumented immigrants who came here...

...are here illegally. 

Which means they are criminals. 

[RLLD 4,143]

The Democrats are free to shutdown the government as they please, of course.

We will ignore their past positions on shutting down the government, when they pretended to care about people, when it was really just about power.

Later, should the Republicans do some shut down, the Democrats will once again decry the act as violence against the people of the nation.

So, Democrats remain the enemy of the people.

[Mike Hunt 262]

42 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Undocumented immigrants who came here looking for a better life and who have not committed violent crimes deserve amnesty and a path to citizenship. Not deportation. Sanctuary cities, by refusing to cooperate with the federal government in rounding up innocent people and turning them in, assist with that ultimate goal. And it allows some of us to sleep better at night knowing that we are not Vichy French collaborators. 

Do you think it is ok to break laws as long as you don`t get caught?

[seafoam1 2,805]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The Democrats are free to shutdown the government as they please, of course.

We will ignore their past positions on shutting down the government, when they pretended to care about people, when it was really just about power.

Later, should the Republicans do some shut down, the Democrats will once again decry the act as violence against the people of the nation.

So, Democrats remain the enemy of the people.

Democrats are raging little snot nosed children. "I want. I want. I want. Give me what I want."

Let them go sit in the corner. They think the rest of the country can't by without them. Well, I disagree. 

[HB Localboy 121]

DEMON RATS are the party of slavery, the confederacy, jim crow, segregation, massive voter fraud, corruption and shutting down the gubermint.

 

DEMON RATS HATE AMERICA!

 

If you vote DEMON VOTE you must hate America too!