New Iowa caucus poll

[Fnord 2,264]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Example? One will do. Thanks 

 Good one. How about you start by occasionally posting a link when you make a claim? Why do you hold others to a standard you have no inclination of upholding for yourself?

[thegeneral 3,208]

24 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok then.  So Bush pleasing his daddy had nothing to do with it. Any Rino neo con would have. Let this serve as another example that you repeat anything stupid you are told. 

His Daddy issues and Cheney leading him around by the nose def played a part in attacking Iraq. 

In any case the issue here that I was raising is that W was awful. People signing back up for that is crazy. The Iraq invasion was the biggest foreign policy mistake in decades.

Gore called that before it started. That alone makes signing up for him an infinitely better choice that halfwit W.

[thegeneral 3,208]

3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

 Good one. How about you start by occasionally posting a link when you make a claim? Why do you hold others to a standard you have no inclination of upholding for yourself?

Can’t post the clips he heard on some AM radio show

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

10 minutes ago, Fnord said:

 Good one. How about you start by occasionally posting a link when you make a claim? Why do you hold others to a standard you have no inclination of upholding for yourself?

I didn’t ask you for a link. I’ll take your word for it. That’s how I roll. Now , can you please provide an example? One will do. Thanks. 

[thegeneral 3,208]

11 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Gore was establishment as well and Iraq was a foregone conclusion it’s what the MIC wanted. Desert Storm went too quickly and they didn’t get the return they were seeking. 
JFC the guy is still out there spouting globalist propaganda on the daily you don’t think he does what he’s told? We went from OBL to SH over lies and Americans ate it up like Squish at a tacos los cholos. Wake up sheeple. 

Al Gore months before we invaded

[zsasz 369]

Yeah...9/11 happened on Bush's watch...don't want to go back to that.  Same with Trump and COVID.  

[BeachGuy23 642]

Trump around 50% from what I'm seeing Haley and Desantis close to the same %.

No one is beating Trump. 

[Dizkneelande 1,098]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Al Gore months before we invaded

If your point is he went off script then yay. 

[thegeneral 3,208]

5 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

If your point is he went off script then yay. 

Gore was 100% right here and laid it all out for anyone listening. 

Dipshit W was a trainwreck.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

One of the many great things Donald Trump did for this country is decimate the Bush clan and end their political dynasty. We wrecked them so bad that liberal pundits say nice things about Bush now. 

[Horseman 2,453]

 

 

[HellToupee 1,773]

Based

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

The bond between Trump and evangelical voters is an emotional one. It is very strong. Actually appears unbreakable. 
 

It’s fascinating on so many levels. They can make the argument that, transactionally, Trump gave them 3 Supreme Court Justices and an end to Roe. But in truth Mitch McConnell had as much to do with that as Trump did and I don’t think evangelicals feel any link to McConnell. In fact they don’t like Mitch very much. No this goes deeper than abortion IMO.  

[squistion 2,197]

3 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Among Republicans in Iowa? 

Yes, those results are shocking! 

[jonmx 2,429]

5 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

You’ve got to get rid of the tinfoil and look at this through the lens of reality.

The media is interested in the horse race and reporting on it. Because that’s their job and because people are interested. So yeah, it sells papers, but it also promotes democracy by reporting on the process. And that’s a good thing.

As to your conspiracy theory, Trump can pick whatever VP he wants. Now there certainly are a lot of people that hope he picks a rational person who respects our democratic institutions. Because, remember, in a way Mike Pence was all who stood in the way of Trump’s attempt to overthrow the government following his loss in 2020. So yeah, some of us would like to make sure that there’s another person in there who will try to stop any other attempts he might make to destroy democracy, should he end up president again. That’s 100% rational and sane 

Rationale person = someone who takes in millions and millions in salary from the military industrial complex and has not met a military intervention she does not support.  It is amazing how leftists have moved from the peace-loving love children of th 60's, to the most blood thirsty power-hungry bastards today.  

Ratings are a very low secondary consideration.   As long as the media parrot the correct narrative, they will get those inside scoops from the intelligence agencies, they will get the top DoD brass to come talk, they will get found as top results from Google, they will not get censorship or shawdow-banned from YouTube, they will not get attacked by cancel culture, they will get huge ad revenue from big Pharma.   

The game is rigged.  You spout the government-corporate estsblishment propaganda, and good things happen.  Free and open competition for ratings is not what drives who succeeds in the media business.  The media outlet must first demonstrate their absolute dedication to bowing down to the corporate-government elitist bastards.  The heavy hand of the powerful elitists is greatly tipping the scales to what information is readily accessible.   

I know, it is all crazy conspiracy stuff that the rich and powerful elite collude together to maintain and increase their status as rich and powerful elite.  Rich people would never cheat to enrich themselves and protect their butts.  How dare i suggest that.  There is no money in manipulating and controlling public opinion.  Nothing to see here.  It is just random luck thst big media outlets parrots almost identical narratives and no one gives hard questions the establishment elites.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

You don’t have to go back to the 60’s to find the anti war left. In the 2000’s they were. But that was a Republican war. They only like theirs. 

[squistion 2,197]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You don’t have to go back to the 60’s to find the anti war left. In the 2000’s they were. But that was a Republican war. They only like theirs. 

Fun Fact:

No, Democrats and the anti-war left didn't only like "theirs" see Vietnam War, which caused LBJ to drop out during the primaries due to opposition from RFK and Eugene McCarthy from the anti-war left.

[Gepetto 1,368]

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[The Real timschochet 6,760]

4 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

https://news.yahoo.com/iowa-caucus-results-trump-wins-landslide-as-haley-and-desantis-scrap-for-second-014022121.html

If Trump wins by the projected numbers, who cares who comes in 2nd? 

[thegeneral 3,208]

Asa Hutchison must be trying to reach Lifetime Platinum at Marriott or something

[Dizkneelande 1,098]

18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The bond between Trump and evangelical voters is an emotional one. It is very strong. Actually appears unbreakable. 
 

It’s fascinating on so many levels. They can make the argument that, transactionally, Trump gave them 3 Supreme Court Justices and an end to Roe. But in truth Mitch McConnell had as much to do with that as Trump did and I don’t think evangelicals feel any link to McConnell. In fact they don’t like Mitch very much. No this goes deeper than abortion IMO.  

Maybe because only Kentuckians can vote for McConnell and he doesn’t have national appeal, plus he’s universally hated? 

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

They’re dissecting Ron DeSantis’ collapse. 
 

Anyone besides me think that, even if Trump hadn’t been in the race, DeSantis would still have lost? He just has no personality. I think maybe if Trump had bowed out someone like Vivek would have taken it over DeSantis. 

[Voltaire 5,316]

7 minutes ago, squistion said:

Fun Fact:

No, Democrats and the anti-war left didn't only like "theirs" see Vietnam War, which caused LBJ to drop out during the primaries due to opposition from RFK and Eugene McCarthy from the anti-war left.

I legit don't know this as it was before my time but I always thought LBJ did not run for reelection. 

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

Just now, Dizkneelande said:

Maybe because only Kentuckians can vote for McConnell and he doesn’t have national appeal, plus he’s universally hated? 

The universally hated part was what I was trying to get at. You could make the argument that over the years McConnell has done far more for evangelicals than Trump, and unlike Trump, McConnell is a very religious man. Yet they really dislike him, and love Trump. 

[Voltaire 5,316]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They’re dissecting Ron DeSantis’ collapse. 
 

Anyone besides me think that, even if Trump hadn’t been in the race, DeSantis would still have lost? He just has no personality. I think maybe if Trump had bowed out someone like Vivek would have taken it over DeSantis. 

Vivek does have charisma. Me, I'm for DeSantis until he drops out but it'll be Trump.

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

I legit don't know this as it was before my time but I always thought LBJ did not run for reelection. 

After New Hampshire. 
 

in those days sitting Presidents didn’t announce their candidacy for re-election. LBJ had people on the ground though in New Hampshire and he was on the ballot. When McCarthy surprised with a strong 2nd place showing based solely on a platform of an end to the Vietnam War, LBJ decided not to go any further. 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

Vivek does have charisma. Me, I'm for DeSantis until he drops out but it'll be Trump.

DeSantis would be wise to drop out tonight and endorse Trump. (At least, wise in terms of his political future.) 

[Voltaire 5,316]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The universally hated part was what I was trying to get at. You could make the argument that over the years McConnell has done far more for evangelicals than Trump, and unlike Trump, McConnell is a very religious man. Yet they really dislike him, and love Trump. 

McConnell is a brilliant strategist and political tactician but most of his public service is in service to the moneyed elite insiders.

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

McConnell brilliant strategist but most of his public service is in service to the moneyed elite insiders.

Yes you’re expressing what most conservatives believe I think. Traditional Republican positions on immigration, trade, and our international role as the defender of democracy are no longer the popular pov of Republicans in general. 

[cyclone24 1,913]

God im ready for all these Mfers to leave. Ha.

not crazy trumps winning but what can ya do

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

So here is the Biden people’s view of how this goes down: 

1. Starting tonight, Trump wins the GOP nomination fairly easily. 

2. At least one or more of the criminal trials against Trump take place before the election (most likely the Jan 6 one) and he is convicted, 

3 The economy and inflation continue to slightly improve. 

4. MOST IMPORTANT: When Democrats and independents realize, sometime in the next few months, that the election is a binary choice between Trump and Biden, Biden consolidates their support, they return to the fold, and Biden wins a relatively easy victory.

While a lot could go wrong with this plan, personally I think it’s the most likely outcome. 

[Dizkneelande 1,098]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The universally hated part was what I was trying to get at. You could make the argument that over the years McConnell has done far more for evangelicals than Trump, and unlike Trump, McConnell is a very religious man. Yet they really dislike him, and love Trump. 

When you use the term evangelical, what exactly do you mean be that? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

Trump in a landslide. The first step to saving this once great nation. Godspeed. 

[lickin_starfish 1,936]

14 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Not crazy trumps winning but what can ya do

You can get on the Trump Train or get ran over by it.

[thegeneral 3,208]

The crazy thing to me is in the general Biden is the only person Trump could beat and Trump is the only person that Biden can beat. 

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

6 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

When you use the term evangelical, what exactly do you mean be that? 

Millions of Americans identify themselves that way. So I would start with that: those who refer to themselves as evangelicals. 
 

I used to think it meant Protestant religious Christians who believe in the Rapture, among other specific beliefs, but it’s probably broader than that. 

[Dizkneelande 1,098]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Millions of Americans identify themselves that way. So I would start with that: those who refer to themselves as evangelicals. 
 

I used to think it meant Protestant religious Christians who believe in the Rapture, among other specific beliefs, but it’s probably broader than that. 

So basically it’s become a pejorative for anyone that’s white and Christian?

[Horseman 2,453]

10 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The crazy thing to me is in the general Biden is the only person Trump could beat and Trump is the only person that Biden can beat. 

WTF? Might be the dumbest thing you've ever said. 

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

3 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

So basically it’s become a pejorative for anyone that’s white and Christian?

If people are willing to call themselves that I wouldn’t term it pejorative. Do you think people resent this label? Everyone I’ve ever known who says they belong to this group seems pretty proud of it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

WTF? Might be the dumbest thing you've ever said. 

He’s unreal. The guy that lost the dog catcher election in Peoria could beat Biden.