Timmy’s thread for general discussion

[jerryskids 6,734]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I process them, I just sharply disagree. And I think you’re being incredibly patronizing to transgenders, by telling them they’re doing damage to themselves, or that they’re sick or mentally ill. I hope they don’t spend any time listening to you- or to me either. They should trust their doctors. 

People with true severe gender dysphoria are probably helping themselves.  Others, aren't.

To think that you are a different sex than you are is, for lack of a better phrase, a psychological abnormality.  

Not to mention, there are a significant number of psychological comorbidities associated with trans, not all of which can be attributed to mean people like me:

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1) Various pathologies

Among the cross-sectional articles, three of them [34-36] refer to different psychiatric pathologies, not focusing on the study of one in particular. In this way, depression, anxiety and post-traumatic stress disorder are represented in all of them. Substance abuse exclusively in Reisner, et al. [34], while suicide and self-harm behaviors are excluded in Cheung, et al. [35]. Autism spectrum disorders and eating disorders are specified in two of the studies [35,36]. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder in Cheung, et al., [35] and Peterson, et al. [36] is the only one that provides data on schizophrenia, conversion disorder, trichotillomania, and Tourette's syndrome.

https://scholars.direct/Articles/psychiatry/jptr-3-007.php?jid=psychiatry

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

@jerryskids for the record I don’t think you’re a mean person. To your credit you haven’t offered any hateful rhetoric regarding this topic. Others haven’t followed your example, however. 

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

Trump will be meeting with one of his closest friends and allies, Hungarian anti-Semitic dictator Viktor Orban this week in Florida: 

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-viktor-orban-2024-93c918f419ff870bbc468676cf5a415c

After taking office in a free election, Orban has imprisoned all political opponents, clapped down on the free press and made himself President for life. No doubt he will have plenty of advice for his admirer and buddy…

[jonmx 2,429]

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

.... clapped down on the free press…

LOL...you are the biggest enemy of the free press I have ever met.  You despise with a passion every independant voice that goes off script.  You love the idea of regulating 'misinformstion', you had no problems with our government suppressing the Hunter Biden story, you have no issues with millions of Americans being censored everyday by big tech at the direction of government t agencies.   You are 100 percent anti-free speech.  

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

3 hours ago, jonmx said:

LOL...you are the biggest enemy of the free press I have ever met.  You despise with a passion every independant voice that goes off script.  You love the idea of regulating 'misinformstion', you had no problems with our government suppressing the Hunter Biden story, you have no issues with millions of Americans being censored everyday by big tech at the direction of government t agencies.   You are 100 percent anti-free speech.  

I weary of this constant stream of misinformation from you. But: 

1. Social media isn’t press, much less free press. 

2. I despise lying and false information and hate speech. That said I’m not for restricting it. But I don’t trust it. You’re wrong I oppose regulating it on the internet. You want to go to Stormfront and peddle bigotry, fine with me. 

3. The government didn’t suppress the Hunter Biden non-story. I knew about it weeks before the election, so did everyone else who wanted to. Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump complained about it on Fox News. The mainstream media didn’t spend a lot of time on it because it was sleazy nonsense that couldn’t be properly verified. And, though this part doesn’t matter in terms of the supposed “suppression”, I don’t believe it would have changed a single vote. 
 

3. The one part you’re correct about: I don’t have a problem with millions of Americans being censored by Big Tech. Thats because social media is owned by private corporations and can do what they want. The only kind of censorship I care about is that imposed by the government. And here we catch you in a blatant hypocrisy: you want social media to stop censoring conservative voices. But at the same time you don’t want social media regulated. There is no way to accomplish one without the other. You’d better decide what you actually want. Me, I want to leave it to social media to decide for themselves without restriction. But intelligent people should never regard it as news. 
 

4. Your final sentence is pure hyperbole, not worth addressing, except I should point out once again that the Presidential candidate you are supporting has already stated his intention to abrogate the Constitution and “come down hard” on media he does not approve of, like MSNBC, just like his hero Viktor Orban who is coming next week to be his honored guest: 

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4332877-trump-msnbc-coverage-election-interference-campaign/amp/

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

For those like @lickin_starfish and others who assert with confidence that Joe Biden won’t be the Democratic nominee for President in 2024, my offer still stands to all takers: 4-1 odds. Thats better odds than Vegas will give, as @Horseman has pointed out (though for some reason, despite mocking me for offering these odds, he won’t take me up on them.) 

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

I am also still offering even odds on Biden winning the election (though recent polling is obviously worrisome.) 

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

The California  Senate race now looks like it will be Adam Schiff vs Steve Garvey. 
 

Schiff is fine with me. I actually preferred Katie Porter, who I’ve met and like, but there’s nothing wrong with Adam Schiff. He has been mercilessly attacked by conservatives for his attacks on Trump. Yet Schiff has been right all along (including about Trump’s ties to Russia). Schiff was amazingly eloquent during the first impeachment trial, and he is a smart and honest politician. I’m happy that he will be our next senator- he should win easily over Garvey, who has tied himself to positions not popular in this state. 
 

However- don’t look for me to say one bad word about Steve Garvey. I don’t care about his politics. He is a hero to me and always will he. I was at game 3 in 1981 when he and Ron Cey hit home runs that beat the evil Yankees and began the 4 game winning streak that won the Series. One of my favorite sports moments in my life. Love love Steve Garvey! 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

41 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I weary of this constant stream of misinformation from you. But: 

1. Social media isn’t press, much less free press. 

2. I despise lying and false information and hate speech. That said I’m not for restricting it. But I don’t trust it. You’re wrong I oppose regulating it on the internet. You want to go to Stormfront and peddle bigotry, fine with me. 

3. The government didn’t suppress the Hunter Biden non-story. I knew about it weeks before the election, so did everyone else who wanted to. Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump complained about it on Fox News. The mainstream media didn’t spend a lot of time on it because it was sleazy nonsense that couldn’t be properly verified. And, though this part doesn’t matter in terms of the supposed “suppression”, I don’t believe it would have changed a single vote. 
 

3. The one part you’re correct about: I don’t have a problem with millions of Americans being censored by Big Tech. Thats because social media is owned by private corporations and can do what they want. The only kind of censorship I care about is that imposed by the government. And here we catch you in a blatant hypocrisy: you want social media to stop censoring conservative voices. But at the same time you don’t want social media regulated. There is no way to accomplish one without the other. You’d better decide what you actually want. Me, I want to leave it to social media to decide for themselves without restriction. But intelligent people should never regard it as news. 
 

4. Your final sentence is pure hyperbole, not worth addressing, except I should point out once again that the Presidential candidate you are supporting has already stated his intention to abrogate the Constitution and “come down hard” on media he does not approve of, like MSNBC, just like his hero Viktor Orban who is coming next week to be his honored guest: 

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4332877-trump-msnbc-coverage-election-interference-campaign/amp/

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html

Yet you do this daily and back Biden the biggest liar/plagiarist of our time. What you hate are opinions that don’t agree with you.

[Voltaire 5,281]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump will be meeting with one of his closest friends and allies, Hungarian anti-Semitic dictator Viktor Orban this week in Florida: 

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-viktor-orban-2024-93c918f419ff870bbc468676cf5a415c

After taking office in a free election, Orban has imprisoned all political opponents, clapped down on the free press and made himself President for life. No doubt he will have plenty of advice for his admirer and buddy…

Imprisoned all political opponents?

All?

There are ZERO political prisoners in Hungary. 

Z-E-R-O

I can prove it to you. It just so happens that Joe Biden's State Department, no friend of Victor Orban, acknowledged in 2022 , after 10+ year of Orban's governance that there were no political prisoners in Hungary.

I have a link from state.gov to attest to that : https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/hungary

Go ahead and click there, it'll be hard to find since the link goes on forever, but to help you out, I took the time to do for you. Go ahead and scroll down to E, not terribly far from the top.  This is what it says

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Political Prisoners and Detainees

There were no reports of political prisoners or detainees.

If you have nowhere else to start, there were six opponents that ran against him in the last election and since that State Department report was published, I don't rightly know what they've been up to. Maybe you'll have some luck.

It just so happens that a lot of BS gets spread around about Orban because the EU bureaucrats and our corporate globalist overlords (not to be confused with "Jews" although George Soros is the most prominent. We've had this conversation before. Anyone of any race or nationality who takes a private jet to Davos, gets in a chauffeured limousine to attend a lunch meeting, then is back on the jet and off to a Brussels for a night conference) hate him because they can't control him.

Victor Orban does have a supermajority of parliament and has had 12 years to reshape judiciary so checks and balances are lacking after so much electoral success. His grip on the country is pretty strong and to keep it intact, the worst, most ethically dubious thing he does, is gerrymander elections. Any political opponent is going to have to break through that wall, so fair enough, he's stacked the deck. What you won't find is any journalist or political opponent in prison. He does keeps foreign money from influencing elections and media there but I don't think that counts. 

Anyway, if you want to find an alleged democracy that puts political opponents on trial on false pretenses, prosecutes journalists for not divulging their sources, and rigs elections, I would direct you closer to home and to Biden's Amerika. 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Yet you do this daily and back Biden the biggest liar/plagiarist of our time. What you hate are opinions that don’t agree with you.

Can you give me a specific example of lies or hate speech that I have made or supported? 

[Strike 5,441]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Can you give me a specific example of lies or hate speech that I have made or supported? 

I don't know if I'd call them lies, but you misstate facts CONSTANTLY.  Assuming Volty's data is correct, there's an example right there.  Last week I made you eat crow on the NY case where they fined Trump 400+ million.  And I've done it a bunch of other times since you joined this forum.  It's one of my biggest beefs with you.  I have no problem discussing our differing opinions, but when I have to waste a bunch of time just to achieve agreement on the FACTS, which shouldn't be necessary, it gets tiring.

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Imprisoned all political opponents?

All?

There are ZERO political prisoners in Hungary. 

Z-E-R-O

I can prove it to you. It just so happens that Joe Biden's State Department, no friend of Victor Orban, acknowledged in 2022 , after 10+ year of Orban's governance that there were no political prisoners in Hungary.

I have a link from state.gov to attest to that : https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/hungary

Go ahead and click there, it'll be hard to find since the link goes on forever, but to help you out, I took the time to do for you. Go ahead and scroll down to E, not terribly far from the top.  This is what it says

If you have nowhere else to start, there were six opponents that ran against him in the last election and since that State Department report was published, I don't rightly know what they've been up to. Maybe you'll have some luck.

It just so happens that a lot of BS gets spread around about Orban because the EU bureaucrats and our corporate globalist overlords (not to be confused with "Jews" although George Soros is the most prominent. We've had this conversation before. Anyone of any race or nationality who takes a private jet to Davos, gets in a chauffeured limousine to attend a lunch meeting, then is back on the jet and off to a Brussels for a night conference) hate him because they can't control him.

Victor Orban does have a supermajority of parliament and has had 12 years to reshape judiciary so checks and balances are lacking after so much electoral success. His grip on the country is pretty strong and to keep it intact, the worst, most ethically dubious thing he does, is gerrymander elections. Any political opponent is going to have to break through that wall, so fair enough, he's stacked the deck. What you won't find is any journalist or political opponent in prison. He does keeps foreign money from influencing elections and media there but I don't think that counts. 

Anyway, if you want to find an alleged democracy that puts political opponents on trial on false pretenses, prosecutes journalists for not divulging their sources, and rigs elections, I would direct you closer to home and to Biden's Amerika. 

 

Oops! You’re correct that slimeball Orban doesn’t have any political prisoners yet. He’s planning on it, he really wants to,  but his new sovereignty law hasn’t come into effect yet: 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/23/orban-accused-of-trying-to-silence-all-critics-in-hungary-with-new-law

We have also discussed before how Orban’s attacks against Soros (who should be a hero in Hungary as he is the man most responsible for liberating it from Communism) and globalism is filled with anti-semitism. 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/hungarian-government-viktor-orban-campaign-renews-antisemitism-concerns

This is not a dude you should be defending. And it’s frankly revolting that Trump admires the guy. 

[jonmx 2,429]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I weary of this constant stream of misinformation from you. But: 

1. Social media isn’t press, much less free press. 

2. I despise lying and false information and hate speech. That said I’m not for restricting it. But I don’t trust it. You’re wrong I oppose regulating it on the internet. You want to go to Stormfront and peddle bigotry, fine with me. 

3. The government didn’t suppress the Hunter Biden non-story. I knew about it weeks before the election, so did everyone else who wanted to. Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump complained about it on Fox News. The mainstream media didn’t spend a lot of time on it because it was sleazy nonsense that couldn’t be properly verified. And, though this part doesn’t matter in terms of the supposed “suppression”, I don’t believe it would have changed a single vote. 
 

3. The one part you’re correct about: I don’t have a problem with millions of Americans being censored by Big Tech. Thats because social media is owned by private corporations and can do what they want. The only kind of censorship I care about is that imposed by the government. And here we catch you in a blatant hypocrisy: you want social media to stop censoring conservative voices. But at the same time you don’t want social media regulated. There is no way to accomplish one without the other. You’d better decide what you actually want. Me, I want to leave it to social media to decide for themselves without restriction. But intelligent people should never regard it as news. 
 

4. Your final sentence is pure hyperbole, not worth addressing, except I should point out once again that the Presidential candidate you are supporting has already stated his intention to abrogate the Constitution and “come down hard” on media he does not approve of, like MSNBC, just like his hero Viktor Orban who is coming next week to be his honored guest: 

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4332877-trump-msnbc-coverage-election-interference-campaign/amp/

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html

1.  You are correct, Social Media is not the press, but they are the most important free speech platform we have.   These big tech platforms love the liability protection they were given for being a platform, but instead act like a press with complete editorial control eliminating conservstive speech every chance they get.   It is utterly disgusting, but you love it that conservstive are shut up and treated like the blacks were in the 1800's.  And that is not even remotely a hyperbole.  

2.  You would not know crap about what a lie is or what is misinformation because you swallow it daily.  You don't even know that Merrick Garland is having reporters imprisoned for the crime of reporting on Jan. 6th.  Just yesterday Steve Baker of the Blaze had a team of heavily armed FBI agents come and arrest him, put him in a jump suit and shackles and thrown in a dangerous prison for some misdemeanor offenses.  To you thst is a lie because the New York Times does not headline it.  He is a nice old man who believes in the free press and never harmed a soul in his life.  But to Garland, the biggest criminals are those who dare speak out against the establishment power.  That is why I call you a bootlicker, because through your ignorance you absolutely are.  

3.  As usual, you are ignorant of what free speech is and means.   The three-letter agencies  of our government is using big tech as their surrogates to slaughter our First Amendment rights.  The only reason the Google is allowed to operate with their anti-trust tactics, act as a monopoly and even expand their hold by acquiring companies like YouTube is because they do the dirty work of our government.  Again, f-disgusting.   

4.  Our media is just an extension of our government.  Has been for decades.   The CIA completely infiltrated it and gained control of it back in the 1960's through Operation Mockingbird.    An outstanding expose of what was done was by Carl Bernstein in a 1977 article here.  https://www.carlbernstein.com/the-cia-and-the-media-rolling-stone-10-20-1977

This activity was ordered to stop but never did, which is why the so-called mainstream media still operates as a uni-voice in support of big government power.  Trump's goal is to get a free press back.   While it is Garland who has arrested a dozen conservstive journalists under the color of law whose crime was doing actual reporting.  

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't know if I'd call them lies, but you misstate facts CONSTANTLY.  Assuming Volty's data is correct, there's an example right there.  Last week I made you eat crow on the NY case where they fined Trump 400+ million.  And I've done it a bunch of other times since you joined this forum.  It's one of my biggest beefs with you.  I have no problem discussing our differing opinions, but when I have to waste a bunch of time just to achieve agreement on the FACTS, which shouldn't be necessary, it gets tiring.

Again I don’t always get everything right. Voltaire corrected me about Orban having political prisoners. But he certainly intends to. So I jumped the gun. My main point, that the guy is a dictator whom Trump admires, is accurate. You corrected me that the fraud trial Trump lost was not tax fraud. But it was fraud. My main point which was in refutation of the notion that most of the legal challenges Trump faces are politically motivated, is accurate- most of them aren’t. So again, you’re correcting details and focusing on them but never refuting the big picture. And that gets tiring too. 

[Strike 5,441]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Again I don’t always get everything right. Voltaire corrected me about Orban having political prisoners. But he certainly intends to. So I jumped the gun. My main point, that the guy is a dictator whom Trump admires, is accurate. You corrected me that the fraud trial Trump lost was not tax fraud. But it was fraud. My main point which was in refutation of the notion that most of the legal challenges Trump faces are politically motivated, is accurate- most of them aren’t. So again, you’re correcting details and focusing on them but never refuting the big picture. And that gets tiring too. 

No,.  Full stop.  Your ENTIRE argument justifying the trial we discussed last week was that it didn't matter if there weren't any victims or that this law was not intended to be used in this way, but that Trump was committing "tax fraud" which was costing us taxpayers a lot of money.  Don't change your story now.   The posts are still there.   You're trying to rewrite history again.  Full stop.  You don't get to do that.   And my "correcting" you required a lot of time because you wouldn't believe me, not to mention you dragging my and EG's name through the mud before you finally had to admit I was right.  Focking stop rewriting history.

[Baker Boy 1,694]

17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Can you give me a specific example of lies or hate speech that I have made or supported? 

 

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Oops! You’re correct that slimeball Orban doesn’t have any political prisoners yet. He’s planning on it, he really wants to,  but his new sovereignty law hasn’t come into effect yet: 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/23/orban-accused-of-trying-to-silence-all-critics-in-hungary-with-new-law

We have also discussed before how Orban’s attacks against Soros (who should be a hero in Hungary as he is the man most responsible for liberating it from Communism) and globalism is filled with anti-semitism. 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/hungarian-government-viktor-orban-campaign-renews-antisemitism-concerns

This is not a dude you should be defending. And it’s frankly revolting that Trump admires the guy. 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

1.  You are correct, Social Media is not the press, but they are the most important free speech platform we have.   These big tech platforms love the liability protection they were given for being a platform, but instead act like a press with complete editorial control eliminating conservstive speech every chance they get.   It is utterly disgusting, but you love it that conservstive are shut up and treated like the blacks were in the 1800's.  And that is not even remotely a hyperbole.  

2.  You would not know crap about what a lie is or what is misinformation because you swallow it daily.  You don't even know that Merrick Garland is having reporters imprisoned for the crime of reporting on Jan. 6th.  Just yesterday Steve Baker of the Blaze had a team of heavily armed FBI agents come and arrest him, put him in a jump suit and shackles and thrown in a dangerous prison for some misdemeanor offenses.  To you thst is a lie because the New York Times does not headline it.  He is a nice old man who believes in the free press and never harmed a soul in his life.  But to Garland, the biggest criminals are those who dare speak out against the establishment power.  That is why I call you a bootlicker, because through your ignorance you absolutely are.  

3.  As usual, you are ignorant of what free speech is and means.   The three-letter agencies  of our government is using big tech as their surrogates to slaughter our First Amendment rights.  The only reason the Google is allowed to operate with their anti-trust tactics, act as a monopoly and even expand their hold by acquiring companies like YouTube is because they do the dirty work of our government.  Again, f-disgusting.   

4.  Our media is just an extension of our government.  Has been for decades.   The CIA complete infiltrated it and gained control of it back in the 1960's through Operation Mockingbird.    An outstanding expose of what was done was by Carl Bernstein in a 1977 article here.  https://www.carlbernstein.com/the-cia-and-the-media-rolling-stone-10-20-1977

This activity was ordered to stop but never did, which is why the so-called mainstream media still operates as a uni-voice in support of big government power.  Trump's goal is to get a free press back.   While it is Garland who has arrested a dozen conservstive journalists under the color of law whose crime was doing actual reporting.  

Wow. Almost all of this is nonsense but I have to focus on these words: “conservatives are treated like blacks in the 1800s”. So offensive. So ridiculous. So repugnant. 

Sadly this is not the first time you’ve done this. In earlier posts you’ve likened conservatives to Jews during the Holocaust. Are you really that ignorant of history? Or do you just lack any shame? Honestly it has to be one or the other. 

[Strike 5,441]

On 2/25/2024 at 11:30 AM, The Real timschochet said:

That’s not relevant. It was the state that was cheated. He avoided paying taxes. 

@The Real timschochetThis is your post after I pointed out that the banks didn't believe Trump committed a crime.  Your stance was that it was about tax fraud.  You can't change your stance now.

[Strike 5,441]

On 2/25/2024 at 12:53 PM, The Real timschochet said:

It’s all related. Nearly every article on the larger judgment mentions tax fraud too. 

And another post where you say it's about tax fraud.

[Strike 5,441]

On 2/25/2024 at 11:36 AM, The Real timschochet said:

It’s amazing how many issues @Strike and @Engorgeous George get wrong. It’s not really worth arguing with them; like swatting flies. Somebody offer me some good arguments for once. Anyone? 

Here you drag us through the mud, and then later have to eat crow and admit you're wrong and that your getting the cases wrong was actually a big deal.

[jonmx 2,429]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Wow. Almost all of this is nonsense but I have to focus on these words: “conservatives are treated like blacks in the 1800s”. So offensive. So ridiculous. So repugnant. 

Sadly this is not the first time you’ve done this. In earlier posts you’ve likened conservatives to Jews during the Holocaust. Are you really that ignorant of history? Or do you just lack any shame? Honestly it has to be one or the other. 

They absolutely are treated like total crap by the government.  Denied free speech.  Maliciously prosecuted.  Denied admission to colleges.   But you don't give a crap that MAGA types are treated unfairly by our government.  

[Strike 5,441]

On 2/25/2024 at 1:14 PM, The Real timschochet said:

All right this won’t be easy to write but…

It appears that Strike was correct and I got the two cases confused. The big judgment appears to be about fraud but not about tax fraud. At least I can’t find mention of it. That contradicts some political pundits I’ve heard talk about the issue. 

If there is no tax fraud, then the fact that the banks in question say they were not hurt could be pertinent; at least it’s not a small detail. Does this fact mean that the case should never have been prosecuted? I don’t know. I’ll have to consider that. 
 

In any case I acknowledge that Strike was right and I was wrong, it appears. 

And here is you eating crow.  Have you reconsidered your stance yet???? Seems like it should be worth doing.  It's a pretty big case ya know.  Or are you afraid to admit Trump might actually be being prosecuted for political purposes?  Can't have that, can we??? 

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

No,.  Full stop.  Your ENTIRE argument justifying the trial we discussed last week was that it didn't matter if there weren't any victims or that this law was not intended to be used in this way, but that Trump was committing "tax fraud" which was costing us taxpayers a lot of money.  Don't change your story now.   The posts are still there.   You're trying to rewrite history again.  Full stop.  You don't get to do that.   And my "correcting" you required a lot of time because you wouldn't believe me, not to mention you dragging my and EG's name through the mud before you finally had to admit I was right.  Focking stop rewriting history.

The only reason I got into that argument in the first place with you is because somebody else argued that ALL of Trump’s trials were political, I refuted it, he offered the example of the fraud trial, I got my info wrong and you entered the conversation at that point .You were eager to prove me wrong on that particular argument and to your credit you did. You offered no opinion on the larger argument that proceeded it which was the point being discussed. 
 

It’s best to use “full stop” only once in a post, and only at the end of the post. HTH

[jonmx 2,429]

What New York is doing to Trump is one of the biggest miscarriage of Justice in decades.   

 

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

They absolutely are treated like total crap by the government.  Denied free speech.  Maliciously prosecuted.  Denied admission to colleges.   But you don't give a crap that MAGA types are treated unfairly by our government.  

Even if all of this were true (and frankly it isn’t, I dispute all of it) it would STILL be highly offensive to compare it to black people in the 1800s. Are you that ignorant of history? Or have you no shame? It’s one or the other. 

[jonmx 2,429]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The only reason I got into that argument in the first place with you is because somebody else argued that ALL of Trump’s trials were political, I refuted it, he offered the example of the fraud trial, I got my info wrong and you entered the conversation at that point .You were eager to prove me wrong on that particular argument and to your credit you did. You offered no opinion on the larger argument that proceeded it which was the point being discussed. 
 

It’s best to use “full stop” only once in a post, and only at the end of the post. HTH

Every single case against Trump has White House fingerprints all over them.  Each and everyone of them was designed to help defeat Trump in 2024.  To deny that is just stupid. 

[The Real timschochet 6,662]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

And here is you eating crow.  Have you reconsidered your stance yet???? Seems like it should be worth doing.  It's a pretty big case ya know.  Or are you afraid to admit Trump might actually be being prosecuted for political purposes?  Can't have that, can we??? 

In my last response to you I explained why all of your examples of my previous posts have no bearing on the larger point I was making and that I wasn’t rewriting any history. 
 

My earlier stance on this specific issue was, obviously, based on wrong information. It wasn’t intentional. Do I think that Trump was wrongly charged here and that this particular trial was politically motivated? I still haven’t made up my mind but after reading more about it  I lean towards no, that it was a legitimate prosecution. Let’s see what the appeals court says. I suspect that they will reduce the fine some but keep the judgment in place. I don’t think it will be thrown out. If it’s not thrown out then it was a legitimate case to bring. I will wait and trust the result. 

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4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Every single case against Trump has White House fingerprints all over them.  Each and everyone of them was designed to help defeat Trump in 2024.  To deny that is just stupid. 

I guess I’m stupid then because like almost all of your other assertions in this thread, I find this one ridiculous and I completely deny it. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Even if all of this were true (and frankly it isn’t, I dispute all of it) it would STILL be highly offensive to compare it to black people in the 1800s. Are you that ignorant of history? Or have you no shame? It’s one or the other. 

You are ignorant of the present.  The most fundamental human right is free speech and the right to be heard.  I along with tens of millions of Americans are denied that on a daily basis.  Equal treatment under the law was main principle outcome of the civil war.   MAGA people are the number 1 target of our government and have been unfairly prosecuted by our government.  The floodgates on this really opened up during the  Biden years.  You conveniently don't want to get into the conservative journalists who are being targets by Merrick Garland.

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Incidentally, the serious discussion in this thread doesn’t always have to be about politics. 

The Texas wide receiver, Worthy, that broke the 40 record yesterday is now projected to go in the 1st round of the draft. I dunno, this sounds like Al Davis thinking to me. Haven’t we seen enough wide receivers in the league to know that pure speed, while great, is only one factor? There are so many other intangibles. And there’s so many of these guys. This is not a knock on Worthy, I wish him well. But I doubt I would ever spend a 1st round pick on a WR….

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13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I guess I’m stupid then because like almost all of your other assertions in this thread, I find this one ridiculous and I completely deny it. 

That is why this thread is a joke.  You know damn well what financial statements to banks look like and how banks use them.  For a judge to a make a fraud ruling because he believes Marg-a-lago was worth $18 million based on a tax assessment, when every real estate appraisal puts the value in line with what Trump valued it on his financial statement is judicially criminal.  And to make that dispute in valuation a fine of $454 million is a pure vile ruling to destroy Trump.  You know damn well that is total BS.  But you won't ever admit it. 

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14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I guess I’m stupid 

Ignorant is a better term.  You choose to believe sources who are in the business of brainwashing the masses.  Nothing I asserted in this thread is false.  Your understanding of the cases against Trump are based upon lies.  

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1 minute ago, jonmx said:

That is why this thread is a joke.  You know damn well what financial statements to banks look like and how banks use them.  For a judge to a make a fraud ruling because he believes Marg-a-lago was worth $18 million based on a tax assessment, when every real estate appraisal puts the value in line with what Trump valued it on his financial statement is judicially criminal.  And to make that dispute in valuation a fine of $454 million is a pure vile ruling to destroy Trump.  You know damn well that is total BS.  But you won't ever admit it. 

Once again the argument is made that ALL the Trump trials are political. Once again I refute that. Once again we go back to the fraud trial. 

As I wrote just a few minutes ago, let’s wait and see what the appeals court does. That will tell us if this result was legitimate. Even if it does not it has no bearing on the other trials. 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Incidentally, the serious discussion in this thread doesn’t always have to be about politics. 

The Texas wide receiver, Worthy, that broke the 40 record yesterday is now projected to go in the 1st round of the draft. I dunno, this sounds like Al Davis thinking to me. Haven’t we seen enough wide receivers in the league to know that pure speed, while great, is only one factor? There are so many other intangibles. And there’s so many of these guys. This is not a knock on Worthy, I wish him well. But I doubt I would ever spend a 1st round pick on a WR….

Racist b1tch ... perfect example of the ol' liberal "soft bigotry of low expectations" schtick - "he fast, but lacks intangibles"

Why you hatin' on this young black athlete? 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Once again the argument is made that ALL the Trump trials are political. Once again I refute that. Once again we go back to the fraud trial. 

As I wrote just a few minutes ago, let’s wait and see what the appeals court does. That will tell us if this result was legitimate. Even if it does not it has no bearing on the other trials. 

I just laid out all the details which accurately reflect the ruling and yet you refuse to acknowledge it.  

Your problem as always is you completely rely upon authority to do your thinking.  You refuse to look at facts and think for yourself.   That is precisely why I call modern Democrats bootlickers for the authoritarian bastards.  

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35 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Oops! You’re correct that slimeball Orban doesn’t have any political prisoners yet. He’s planning on it, he really wants to,  but his new sovereignty law hasn’t come into effect yet: 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/23/orban-accused-of-trying-to-silence-all-critics-in-hungary-with-new-law

We have also discussed before how Orban’s attacks against Soros (who should be a hero in Hungary as he is the man most responsible for liberating it from Communism) and globalism is filled with anti-semitism. 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/hungarian-government-viktor-orban-campaign-renews-antisemitism-concerns

This is not a dude you should be defending. And it’s frankly revolting that Trump admires the guy. 

One) Orban doesn't have a history of imprisoning anybody and I see no reason he'll start now. The law he passed is to keep foreign money/influence out of Hungarian politics and media. Not something, seemingly, for someone who believes and supports Adam Schiff for Senate would complain about. Assuming Schiff was telling the truth, which he wasn't.

Two) Orban is among the least anti-semitic leaders in Europe. His ties with Israel are tight.

This is the actual truth of what's going on in Europe in regards to anti-semitism https://2015-2022.miniszterelnok.hu/prime-minister-viktor-orban-in-israel-our-views-on-several-21st-century-issues-are-the-same/

Quoting in part:

Mr. Orbán pointed out that potent forms of modern-day anti-Semitism have emerged in Europe, and that nowadays anti-Semitism is increasing in Western Europe, while it is decreasing in Central Europe. The Prime Minister stated that Hungary will continue to enforce zero tolerance in relation to anti-Semitism.

He said that citizens of Jewish origin in Hungary are under the Government’s protection, and “we are proud” that people who openly declare their Jewish roots can feel safe in Hungary. He pointed out that Hungary has done a great deal to assist in the cultural rebuilding of the Jewish community, with the renovation of synagogues and support for education. He said that Hungary stands ready to cooperate in the fight against anti-Semitism.

The Prime Minister also highlighted that Hungary will always take action to ensure that international organisations treat Israel in a fair, balanced and unbiased manner. He said that in the future Hungary will also continue to closely cooperate with Israel in international forums.

The Prime Minister told the press that economic cooperation between the two countries is strong, with two hundred Israeli businesses operating in Hungary, providing jobs for five thousand people – primarily in the field of modern technology.

Now, if The Guardian really were concerned about uncovering anti-Semitism in Europe, perhaps they could look closer to home ... oh, they have...  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/on-the-frontline-of-blame-how-it-feels-to-be-jewish-in-uk-since-hamas-attack

The Guardian, like you, and like the corporate media likes to conflate criticism of Soros and globalists to anti-Semitism, when the fact is that Hungary is the least anti-Semitic country in Europe, Jews are safer there than anywhere else, has close ties culturally and economically to Israel, and regularly stands up for them in the EU.

You are coated and basted in MSM lies. 

Some number of the jet set corporate globalist elite in the WEF are Jews, true enough, but not all and certainly very very few Jews, or anybody else, are in this uber-rich upper strata. Insofar as Jews are involved, I doubt that their Jewishness has anything to do with it. 

George Soros gets criticized for what he does as an individual; he doesn't deserve nor get a pass from criticism because he's Jewish. Rinse repeat for Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein. Not "the Jews." 1+1+1 that happen to be Jews in addition to all these others over here that aren't.

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38 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Incidentally, the serious discussion in this thread doesn’t always have to be about politics. 

The Texas wide receiver, Worthy, that broke the 40 record yesterday is now projected to go in the 1st round of the draft. I dunno, this sounds like Al Davis thinking to me. Haven’t we seen enough wide receivers in the league to know that pure speed, while great, is only one factor? There are so many other intangibles. And there’s so many of these guys. This is not a knock on Worthy, I wish him well. But I doubt I would ever spend a 1st round pick on a WR….

Someone is going to spend a 1st rounder on Marvin Harrison Jr. and whoever does is going to be pleased as punch they did come contract extension time (barring injury -can't predict that).

 

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The only reason I got into that argument in the first place with you is because somebody else argued that ALL of Trump’s trials were political, I refuted it, he offered the example of the fraud trial, I got my info wrong and you entered the conversation at that point .You were eager to prove me wrong on that particular argument and to your credit you did. You offered no opinion on the larger argument that proceeded it which was the point being discussed.

Regardless of whether there was a larger point, when your evidence supporting your stance on the larger point is 100% wrong maybe you should rethink your stance on that larger point as well.

Regarding all these cases, of course they're all politically motivated.  Let's just talk about the classified documents case.  First off, we still don't know exactly what he had and whether he was allowed to have it.  But we know that the President can declassify pretty much anything he wants.  So, the worst thing you can say about Trump in this case is that he had documents he could have declassified but didn't.  That's a pretty weak argument.  But if we compare it to Biden's case, Biden had classified documents from his time as a senator.  There is a huge difference between what a President is allowed to do with classified documents compared to a senator.  A senator can't even look at classified docs outside of a SCIF.   Yet Biden took them home.  Whether Trump should be prosecuted or not, Biden should be subject to the same if not harsher treatment given his violations as senator.  But the excuse they gave for not prosecuting Biden was that he was too old or some crap like that.  He's too old to be prosecuted for violating our highest security protocol's but not too old to be President?  I mean, seriously dude, if you can't see how this is a politically motivated case I don't know what to tell you.  It couldn't be more clear and obvious.

The Atlanta case.  Fani met at the WH multiple times before indicting Trump.  She has operatives from the Feds in her office.  And it goes on and on.  Again, it couldn't be more clear and obvious that this case is politically motivated. 

Throw in the states trying to remove Trump from the ballot. 

This is a concerted "lawfare" effort to prevent Trump from being a presidential candidate.  That's what those of us who use data and logic to form opinions think.  Those of you who use emotion and the MSM to form their opinions may feel differently.