Climate chaos

[edjr 6,580]

39 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The climate alarmists kept getting pie in their face because every time they predicted a certain type of weather, the opposite happened.  Then they finally hit on the perfect solution:  "extreme" weather.  Whatever it is, it's climate change.  Hot, cold, wet, dry, windy, calm... all climate change.   

most liberals like sticky things on their face

[Baker Boy 1,699]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://slate.com/business/2024/06/floods-storms-inflation-florida-texas-home-insurance-climate-change-economy.html

There is no bigger issue facing this country or the world. You guys that are obsessed with undocumented immigrants or transgenders: wake the fock up! If we don’t plan ahead our way of life is doomed. 

 

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The extreme heat is costing us over 100 billion a year. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimfoerster/2023/07/18/extreme-heat-has-broad-economic-impacts-beyond-public-safety/

But you guys go ahead and mock it. 

Well, obviously spending trillions of dollars on a theory is not working. Anyone that thinks by eliminating fossil fuels we will change the temperature of the Earth is a fool.
 

‘How would you fix this fake issue.

MMGW is nothing more than a theory based on doctored data. Wake up.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,855]

Cold front coming through Saturday night.  Crisis averted.  

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Also, Bill Gates finally listened to @MTSkiBumand me, and is building a new nuclear facility.

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Wyoming-TerraPower?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

 

Wrong design though, he is going sodium which solves a non-existent problem. It can use spent fuel and extend the life of the fuel. But we could just mine/extract more fuel.

 

The downsides are you use sodium metal which is explosive if it ever comes into contact with air. 

 

The problem is that 50 years down the road when maintenance may be lacking and there is an earthquake. This design has more risks than a traditional design.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

41 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

 

‘How would you fix this fake issue? 

 

First off we need to acknowledge that it’s not fake. Rational people already do. 

Second, my own solution is not especially popular with the green crowd. My solution is two fold: 

First, I agree with @supermike80 that we need to adapt to the situation at hand. But this will require a great deal of government planning and spending. We need to quadruple FEMA’s budget or more (Trump wants to cut it.) We need to set up new agencies designed to cope with emergencies before they occur. And we need to strongly consider the logic of trying to rebuild coastal cities that are eventually doomed when the waters rise. And we may need to guarantee insurance companies otherwise very soon home insurance will be impossible to afford. 
 

Second, and more importantly, I believe we need to pour trillions of dollars, whatever it costs, into developing nuclear fusion as quickly as possible. We need to commit to a Manhattan Project like effort, or the space program. Nothing else comes close to importance. I don’t understand why we haven’t done this already. 

[supermike80 1,910]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

First off we need to acknowledge that it’s not fake. Rational people already do. 

Second, my own solution is not especially popular with the green crowd. My solution is two fold: 

First, I agree with @supermike80 that we need to adapt to the situation at hand. But this will require a great deal of government planning and spending. We need to quadruple FEMA’s budget or more (Trump wants to cut it.) We need to set up new agencies designed to cope with emergencies before they occur. And we need to strongly consider the logic of trying to rebuild coastal cities that are eventually doomed when the waters rise. And we may need to guarantee insurance companies otherwise very soon home insurance will be impossible to afford. 
 

Second, and more importantly, I believe we need to pour trillions of dollars, whatever it costs, into developing nuclear fusion as quickly as possible. We need to commit to a Manhattan Project like effort, or the space program. Nothing else comes close to importance. I don’t understand why we haven’t done this already. 

#1.   The goverment, simply, can't afford this kind of spend.  They can't.  The market will take care of it to some degree.   But that needs to be the driver of it.  Government can support it, but the amount of $$ needed is beyond any nations abilities.  So that's out.  

#2. The "whatever it costs" mindset is absurd.  Kind of the same point as #1.  How the hell will a nation pay for this?   Where will the money come from?  You cant just completely ruin a nation, or for that matter a world's economy simply to attack this.  I mean great, we will have nuclear fusion.  But no one will be able to afford electricity.   This spend away mindset is beyond dangerous.   

[seafoam1 3,022]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The extreme heat is costing us over 100 billion a year. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimfoerster/2023/07/18/extreme-heat-has-broad-economic-impacts-beyond-public-safety/

But you guys go ahead and mock it. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,101]

1 hour ago, Ron 'Tator Salad' White said:

Waste from all those worthless Packer stock certificates they print. 

You spelled "priceless" wrong. 

[seafoam1 3,022]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

No pandering. And it doesn’t matter at this point who’s to blame. The crisis is here. 

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

8 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

#1.   The goverment, simply, can't afford this kind of spend.  They can't.  The market will take care of it to some degree.   But that needs to be the driver of it.  Government can support it, but the amount of $$ needed is beyond any nations abilities.  So that's out.  

#2. The "whatever it costs" mindset is absurd.  Kind of the same point as #1.  How the hell will a nation pay for this?   Where will the money come from?  You cant just completely ruin a nation, or for that matter a world's economy simply to attack this.  I mean great, we will have nuclear fusion.  But no one will be able to afford electricity.   This spend away mindset is beyond dangerous.   

If we conquer nuclear fusion the investment will be well worth it. Infinite wealth and profit. 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Second, and more importantly, I believe we need to pour trillions of dollars, whatever it costs, into developing nuclear fusion as quickly as possible. We need to commit to a Manhattan Project like effort, or the space program. Nothing else comes close to importance. I don’t understand why we haven’t done this already. 

 

I don't think you understand how many decades fusion is away even with tons more resources.

[thegeneral 3,209]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

If we conquer nuclear fusion the investment will be well worth it. Infinite wealth and profit. 

Our government should make this a Manhattan Project style effort.

Here’s something I am tinhat about - oil industry would not allow this to occur.

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

Just now, MTSkiBum said:

 

I don't think you understand how many decades fusion is away.

We don’t know that. There may be a sudden discovery that makes it come a lot sooner. But even if it takes decades it’s a better answer than solar or any other alternative, IMO. 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Our government should make this a Manhattan Project style effort.

Here’s something I am tinhat about - oil industry would not allow this to occur.

Everyone forgets how powerless the oil industry was in 2020 when we were laying off 25% of our workforce and were subject to market whims just like any other industry.

 

[seafoam1 3,022]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://slate.com/business/2024/06/floods-storms-inflation-florida-texas-home-insurance-climate-change-economy.html

There is no bigger issue facing this country or the world. You guys that are obsessed with undocumented immigrants or transgenders: wake the fock up! If we don’t plan ahead our way of life is doomed. 

CLIMATE IS HAPPENING!!!  

Liberals think climate didn't exist before they just noticed it. 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

We don’t know that. There may be a sudden discovery that makes it come a lot sooner. But even if it takes decades it’s a better answer than solar or any other alternative, IMO. 

Rooftop solar is a very viable solution. All those Home depots, walmarts, grocery stores, and walgreens with all that space. Not to mention most single family homes in southern half of US.

Battery technology(and electric cars doubling as battery storage) is what we need for solar to take off, and we are getting closer and closer everyday.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

 

Sorry guys, you seem to forget that the climate change truthers come from the Marxist cloth:  The new climate change rules they want to implement only apply to you, not members of the climate change party.

You think these hypocritical m'fers are going to give up their gas-guzzling Cadillacs, private jets, multiple mansions and 40 vacations a year lifestyle?  No no.   But you certainly are going to give up what little you have.  Guaranteed.

I understand yachts are not particularly feul efficient either.

[seafoam1 3,022]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If we conquer nuclear fusion the investment will be well worth it. Infinite wealth and profit. 

Let the illegals do it for the 50 cents an hour you pay them. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,101]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I understand yachts are not particularly feul efficient either.

Forgot about the yachts! 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Time to mandate a tax on vehicle weight.  Vehicles weighing under 800 pounds have no tax for weight.  Above that a yearly weight tax of $1 per pound ought to get things started.  The transportcation industry would radically change.  New superlight and thus fuel efficient cars would be developed and the SUV craze would retract.  Public transportation would grow. Scooters , DSegways and the like would flourish.  Then new emmissions standards on small engines running scooters and small cars.  Next, residential airconditioning could only be run by onsite solar.  Swamp cooleers could run on electricity from the grid (water would become a more valuable commodity than it already is.  Until fusion is developed fission needs to be enhanced.  The Navy has been running fission for what, 70 years.  Time to not let one three mile island kill an industry which is demonstratably safe.  Instead of reactors meant to run an entire region of the country go with small reactors fit for ships or subs.  Platform them off of our coasts and in the great lakes.  Have them hooked to the grid through underwater cable.  Design them such that if there is an accident they sink and flood.  We don't need10 large nuke plants, we need 50 smaller ones.

[seafoam1 3,022]

14 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Time to mandate a tax on vehicle weight.  Vehicles weighing under 800 pounds have no tax for weight.  Above that a yearly weight tax of $1 per pound ought to get things started.  The transportcation industry would radically change.  New superlight and thus fuel efficient cars would be developed and the SUV craze would retract.  Public transportation would grow. Scooters , DSegways and the like would flourish.  Then new emmissions standards on small engines running scooters and small cars.  Next, residential airconditioning could only be run by onsite solar.  Swamp cooleers could run on electricity from the grid (water would become a more valuable commodity than it already is.  Until fusion is developed fission needs to be enhanced.  The Navy has been running fission for what, 70 years.  Time to not let one three mile island kill an industry which is demonstratably safe.  Instead of reactors meant to run an entire region of the country go with small reactors fit for ships or subs.  Platform them off of our coasts and in the great lakes.  Have them hooked to the grid through underwater cable.  Design them such that if there is an accident they sink and flood.  We don't need10 large nuke plants, we need 50 smaller ones.

Add more taxes? For what? So creepy joe can send more to fund wars in Europe?

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

52 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

Rooftop solar is a very viable solution. All those Home depots, walmarts, grocery stores, and walgreens with all that space. Not to mention most single family homes in southern half of US.

Battery technology(and electric cars doubling as battery storage) is what we need for solar to take off, and we are getting closer and closer everyday.

I can't remember if it's China or Japan but they put solar panels between their highways.  Under the panels is a bike path.  Provides a safe, protected bike path and provides energy while using what is normally wasted space.

[Ron 'Tator Salad' White 120]

45 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I understand yachts are not particularly feul efficient either.

Or jets when ms swift forgets her phone on the other side of her mansion 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

I drank out of a paper straw.  My work is done. 

[thegeneral 3,209]

1 hour ago, MTSkiBum said:

Everyone forgets how powerless the oil industry was in 2020 when we were laying off 25% of our workforce and were subject to market whims just like any other industry.

Wasn’t that a demand issue? If an alternate source or energy realistically became available and they weren’t in control I could see that being an issue for powerful people. 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Wasn’t that a demand issue? If an alternate source or energy realistically became available and they weren’t in control I could see that being an issue for powerful people. 

 

As powerful as people think oil is, there is TONS more money in big tech and big tech needs energy.

 

Both AI and crytpo are known for their energy consumption. Bitcoin alone uses as much energy as Argentina(citation needed, from memory).

If big tech thinks it could fund an alternate energy source there is nothing oil could do to stop them. Microsoft has 80 billion cash onhand, apple 67 billion, etc.

 

There is a reason bill gates is moving into the energy sector.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

19 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I can't remember if it's China or Japan but they put solar panels between their highways.  Under the panels is a bike path.  Provides a safe, protected bike path and provides energy while using what is normally wasted space.

 

South Korea, that would be a good idea and it would provide shade. I would bike to work if there was a bike path available and it was shaded. I don't like riding motorcycles in major metro areas, there is not a chance in hell i would ride a bicycle to work if i have to ride on roads.

[Strike 5,539]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

And in case anyone cares, I am very much opposed to the Green New Deal. Terrible set of ideas that will never work. 
 

But we can’t just do nothing. And we can’t do worse than nothing (Trump’s idea of drill drill drill.) 

We aren't doing "nothing."  The U.S. has CUT it's carbon footprint more than any other country on Earth.  Granted, it started out from a much worse standpoint than most but regardless, we've been cutting our carbon footprint for decades and made a significant impact.  When you say things like we're doing "nothing" you hurt your already lacking credibility.  Care to retract that assertion? 

[Strike 5,539]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Also, Bill Gates finally listened to @MTSkiBumand me, and is building a new nuclear facility.

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Wyoming-TerraPower?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

 

Uh, I've been touting Nuclear for decades!!!   In fact, I take credit for @The Real timschochet's sudden change in stance supporting Nuclear.  If you read threads on this over at FBG's gong back a decade or more you'll find that Tim was opposed to Nuclear until relatively recently.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

38 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Add more taxes? For what? So creepy joe can send more to fund wars in Europe?

Because I believe tax destyroys, it suppresses, it changes behavior.  And NO I would not want it spent on war I would want it spent on debt reduction and pure research as to fusion.

[thegeneral 3,209]

15 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

As powerful as people think oil is, there is TONS more money in big tech and big tech needs energy.

 

Both AI and crytpo are known for their energy consumption. Bitcoin alone uses as much energy as Argentina(citation needed, from memory).

If big tech thinks it could fund an alternate energy source there is nothing oil could do to stop them. Microsoft has 80 billion cash onhand, apple 67 billion, etc.

 

There is a reason bill gates is moving into the energy sector.

Would be a battle to see who can pay off the most people. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

32 minutes ago, Ron 'Tator Salad' White said:

Or jets when ms swift forgets her phone on the other side of her mansion 

I thought that was what lackeys were for.

[supermike80 1,910]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

If we conquer nuclear fusion the investment will be well worth it. Infinite wealth and profit. 

The ends don't always justify the means.   How far are you willing to go to achieve this dream?  How many obama care programs, social security programs, infrastructure programs are you willing to kill for this dream that today is nothing more than a maybe?  

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

25 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

South Korea, that would be a good idea and it would provide shade. I would bike to work if there was a bike path available and it was shaded. I don't like riding motorcycles in major metro areas, there is not a chance in hell i would ride a bicycle to work if i have to ride on roads.

My commute, when I did commute was 11.8 miles by road or 13 by bike path.  I would drive on Mondays to take all I thought I would need for the week for clothes and what not.  i would bike Tuesday through Thursday.  On Friday I would drive and collect up my stuff to take home and to the dry cleaners.  My City is not particularly bike path friendly but my particular commute happened to be along a fairly direct path.  I had to cross a roadway every mile but that was not terribly inconvenient.  Riding on those roadways would have been a death sentence.

 

In the mornings it was downhill about 80 feet per mile.  That was an easy ride.  In the afternoons, sometimes I bitched about the ride as it was uphill the whole way but it was probably good for me.

 

BTW my commuting car was a Hyundai.  My weekend driver was a full sized, gas guzzeling truck.

 

It broke my heart to get ride of that truck.  I had it 23 years and loved it but it just got crappy mileage.  My new truck is a midsize which gets far better mileage and still fulfills my needs 99.9% of the time.  If it could autodrive from where I put my kayak or raft in to where I take out it would be a dream.

[Strike 5,539]

18 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Because I believe tax destyroys, it suppresses, it changes behavior.  And NO I would not want it spent on war I would want it spent on debt reduction and pure research as to fusion.

I don't believe in taxing to alter behavior.  I've never believed in sin taxes and wouldn't support this use of them either.  Not to mention how wasteful our government is with money.  There is no reason to give that entity more money than it needs.  It only encourages the continued expansion of an entity that does not create anything.  All resources that are used by government are resources removed from the private sector which actually creates stuff.  I will not encourage more of that.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

22 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't believe in taxing to alter behavior.  I've never believed in sin taxes and wouldn't support this use of them either.  Not to mention how wasteful our government is with money.  There is no reason to give that entity more money than it needs.  It only encourages the continued expansion of an entity that does not create anything.  All resources that are used by government are resources removed from the private sector which actually creates stuff.  I will not encourage more of that.

I appreciate your point of view and generally share it.  In the matter of changing behavior so ingrained in the American psyche I see no other way.  Also, i am not advocating doing so.  I just argue that IF one were to try to do so that would be the route.

[jerryskids 6,793]

52 minutes ago, Strike said:

Uh, I've been touting Nuclear for decades!!!   In fact, I take credit for @The Real timschochet's sudden change in stance supporting Nuclear.  If you read threads on this over at FBG's gong back a decade or more you'll find that Tim was opposed to Nuclear until relatively recently.

FBG didn't happen. It was in the Matrix.

 

[BunnysBastatrds 2,440]

 By scientific evidence, the earth is 4.5 billion years old. We have maybe 200 years of actual data that shows where we are now. We know more about our brains than we do the climate of the earth. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

When the seas warm sufficiently the dormant Krakens will emerge, not unlike the 17 year cicadas, but more terrifying than Godzilla and Kutulu combined.  We would be better off being roasted in the depths of the sloar.

[seafoam1 3,022]

3 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Would be a battle to see who can pay off the most people. 

Creepy joe, your love interest, does like spending a lot of other people's money...