Supreme Court rules President is immune for “official acts”

[thegeneral 3,214]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Correct, as I stated, particularly in this situation

Convenient. Odd as it so clearly laid out for you. It’s not like it was subtle

[kilroy69 1,251]

I think we are blowing this out of proportion because Trump is is the immediate benefactor of this decision. Realistically do we want a prosecutor in California or New York charging the president for something he did in office that the prosecutor finds morally wrong?  What if that prosecutor thinks biden is helping Israel commit genocide and charges him as soon as he leaves office? 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

12 hours ago, Fnord said:

Did I define it? No.

At this point most of you guys are far enough along the "[insert group we don't like] are the enemy of the people and need to be punished" track that you'd be okay with damn near anything guaranteeing liberal tears. Up to and including imprisonment (or possibly worse) for the people you disagree with.

What if Trump had every prosecutor that has brought a case against him arrested on day 1?

So Bragg, Willis, and Smith.  I would almost, but not quite be O.K. with this.  Not for what they did to Trump, but for the other matters, serious crime, which went neglected to concentrate resources on Trump.

[RLLD 4,230]

17 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

However they see fit in this scenario.

That isn't the point of the question- the question is "so you'd allow someone to try to intimidate you 15 times without questioning intent"

But that is a broad statement, there are different ways to intimidate, and I think your example is interesting, but too vague.

But this might help, even if I were to consent, it does not extend past that given situation and become an absolute......so there is that....

[RLLD 4,230]

17 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Convenient. Odd as it so clearly laid out for you. It’s not like it was subtle

I was waiting for you to mention the situation with Biden, since I think it could bolster your position.  While I am not willing to read intent into what Trump said, vs what he did.....notably given the historical examples of his statements consistently being misinterpreted....

I am inclined to look at the financial situation around the Biden family and suggest there is intent to conduct a pay-for-play criminal enterprise in play.

You should have brought that up, and I was waiting, but got tired of waiting.  So make an argument using THAT.....

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

10 hours ago, Jose M said:

His point, you dullard, is the hypocrisy of those crying about about the ruling. It's not that difficult.  

Under used.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

33 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I do not believe the election was stolen. Somewhat rigged? maybe. I do think there was some shadiness with mail in ballots but not enough to change the outcome. 

My issue with your statement is that hypothetically, if an election was rigged, stolen, etc the people rigging it are not going to do so in a way that lets the other side "show their work". They are not going to leave open the possibility of being caught (to the best of their ability).  So your argument is pointless. You've got 2 parties that own politics and if one does indeed pull something like that off, they are big enough and influential enough to make sure it is never proven. 

So you can call those people silly, stupid all you like but the nonsense about it being a tactic to protect yourself is dumb and you can stop.

The problem I have with this statement is that it implies that every election, past or future, is or can be rigged, and we would never know.  You're basically saying to never trust our elections.  That's not good for democracy.  And this line of thinking is what Trump has done to the US.  He has caused his followers to never trust an election, officials, courts, audits, etc.  Only trust him.  If Trump says election was stolen, then it was.  If you don't think this is dangerous then you are lost.  If you think me pointing this out is dumb, then you're a traitor.

[thegeneral 3,214]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I was waiting for you to mention the situation with Biden, since I think it could bolster your position.  While I am not willing to read intent into what Trump said, vs what he did.....notably given the historical examples of his statements consistently being misinterpreted....

I am inclined to look at the financial situation around the Biden family and suggest there is intent to conduct a pay-for-play criminal enterprise in play.

You should have brought that up, and I was waiting, but got tired of waiting.  So make an argument using THAT.....

What

So you are going with Trump was misinterpreted when he was telling Pence to not certify the election?

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

What

So you are going with Trump was misinterpreted when he was telling Pence to not certify the election?

I think that is more likely than what you propose. But again, you need not agree with me, though you seem rather insistent that I agree with you. 

Fairleigh Dickinson’s Marta Krajniak conducted a questionnaire study in 2018 with others on the relationship between personality disorder symptoms and emotional intelligence. 

They dialed on people who always think they’re right, as you are doing here, the Fairleigh Dickson study results suggest that low emotional intelligence could relate at least in part to the behavior. Therefore, getting embroiled in endless arguments with people like this can be counterproductive.

What I am trying to allow is that It’s possible that there’s a germ of truth to what you’re asserting, though I am not "agreeing" with you exactly, to allow that perhaps I am the one who needs to change my position. 

Rather than come at it with the "you are just stupid: routine, having a forthright discussion could yield more productive outcomes for you. 

[peenie 1,915]

I see this as the glass half full! Go Biden!! 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, peenie said:

I see this as the glass half full! Go Biden!! 

And I see Biden as half empty.  

[thegeneral 3,214]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think that is more likely than what you propose. But again, you need not agree with me, though you seem rather insistent that I agree with you. 

Fairleigh Dickinson’s Marta Krajniak conducted a questionnaire study in 2018 with others on the relationship between personality disorder symptoms and emotional intelligence. 

They dialed on people who always think they’re right, as you are doing here, the Fairleigh Dickson study results suggest that low emotional intelligence could relate at least in part to the behavior. Therefore, getting embroiled in endless arguments with people like this can be counterproductive.

What I am trying to allow is that It’s possible that there’s a germ of truth to what you’re asserting, though I am not "agreeing" with you exactly, to allow that perhaps I am the one who needs to change my position. 

Rather than come at it with the "you are just stupid: routine, having a forthright discussion could yield more productive outcomes for you. 

I am asking you to give an opinion. This is a message board None of this bullshet matters

You took a little step here. You think it’s more likely than not that he was being misinterpreted. There you go. 

Read his speech on Jan 6th. How was this misinterpreted?

”Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We’re supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our constitution.

States want to revote. The states got defrauded, They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.”

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

20 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What

So you are going with Trump was misinterpreted when he was telling Pence to not certify the election?

RLLD lives in a fantasy world, where he gets to pick and choose what facts he will accept.  I look forward to "Pence misinterpreted it". 

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In an interview hours after former President Donald Trump was indicted for an alleged conspiracy to overturn the 2020 presidential election, one of his attorneys said that all Trump had ultimately asked his vice president to do was “simply pause” the Electoral College count at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

On Fox News the following night, Aug. 2, former Vice President Mike Pence called that claim “completely false.” Pence said Trump and his “gaggle of crackpot lawyers” asked him “to literally reject votes.”

“I think it’s important that the American people know what happened in the days before January 6,” Pence said. “President Trump demanded that I use my authority as vice president presiding over the count of the Electoral College to essentially overturn the election by returning or literally rejecting votes. I had no authority to do that.”

For those who might doubt him, Pence urged them to “read the indictment.”

 

 

[edjr 6,592]

Can't you people just admit you will NEVER convince the other side of your opinion?  Stop you lunatics. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

2 minutes ago, edjr said:

Can't you people just admit you will NEVER convince the other side of your opinion?  Stop you lunatics. 

Everyone has a hobby!

[seafoam1 3,031]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Everyone has a hobby!

Yours is trolling the internet. Being a retard.

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Yours is trolling the internet. Being a retard.

Yours is curating your Pokémon collection. No judgements here, Peefoam.

[seafoam1 3,031]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Yours is curating your Pokémon collection. No judgements here, Peefoam.

You need another meet-up peefest with mdcack I see. You go girl. 

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

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In an interview hours after former President Donald Trump was indicted for an alleged conspiracy to overturn the 2020 presidential election, one of his attorneys said that all Trump had ultimately asked his vice president to do was “simply pause” the Electoral College count at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

On Fox News the following night, Aug. 2, former Vice President Mike Pence called that claim “completely false.” Pence said Trump and his “gaggle of crackpot lawyers” asked him “to literally reject votes.”

“I think it’s important that the American people know what happened in the days before January 6,” Pence said. “President Trump demanded that I use my authority as vice president presiding over the count of the Electoral College to essentially overturn the election by returning or literally rejecting votes. I had no authority to do that.”

For those who might doubt him, Pence urged them to “read the indictment.”

 

Or course, prosecutors have to now prove this isn't an official act of the president, and statements and discussions they talked about probably can't be used in evidence....but this was a well reasoned decision by the court.    

[seafoam1 3,031]

7 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Or course, prosecutors have to now prove this isn't an official act of the president, and statements and discussions they talked about probably can't be used in evidence....but this was a well reasoned decision by the court.    

You poor thing. 

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

40 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

The problem I have with this statement is that it implies that every election, past or future, is or can be rigged, and we would never know.  You're basically saying to never trust our elections.  That's not good for democracy.  And this line of thinking is what Trump has done to the US.  He has caused his followers to never trust an election, officials, courts, audits, etc.  Only trust him.  If Trump says election was stolen, then it was.  If you don't think this is dangerous then you are lost.  If you think me pointing this out is dumb, then you're a traitor.

I am not a trusting person in general and I don't believe in blind trust. One could easily say that prior to trump, you have been conditioned to believe that politics and our "democracy" is on the up and up.   Was it not Hillary and her followers planting seeds of doubt in the 2016 election via russian interference? granted not to the same exhausting degree but, it was there. 

A traitor?    stop. You sound moronic and incapable of having legit conversation. 

[RLLD 4,230]

29 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I am asking you to give an opinion. This is a message board None of this bullshet matters

You took a little step here. You think it’s more likely than not that he was being misinterpreted. There you go. 

Read his speech on Jan 6th. How was this misinterpreted?

”Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We’re supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our constitution.

States want to revote. The states got defrauded, They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.”

I provided my opinion.  Yo disagree with that opinion, and further insist that I must agree with you. I do not insist you agree with me. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

17 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It seems to me that the fear of prosecuting a former President for political reasons is valid, but ultimately solved by the system in place. My argument is that if Trump or Biden or whoever is prosecuted for what are clearly political reasons a jury of 12 will acquit them. 

Clearly you missed the trial in NY recently.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

We have certainly rigged elections in other countries. That is not up for debate. But we would never do it here. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

17 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I provided my opinion.  Yo disagree with that opinion, and further insist that I must agree with you. I do not insist you agree with me. 

Did you provide an opinion? You were kind of hemming and hawing and then said maybe it was misinterpreted, fake news perhaps.

In any case I don’t see how anyone arrives there when you read what he said, what Pence said. 

[RLLD 4,230]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Did you provide an opinion? You were kind of hemming and hawing and then said maybe it was misinterpreted, fake news perhaps.

In any case I don’t see how anyone arrives there when you read what he said, what Pence said. 

Go back and read my reply, that is my opinion

[IGotWorms 4,058]

57 minutes ago, edjr said:

Can't you people just admit you will NEVER convince Trumpers of facts?  Stop you lunatics. 

Fixed.

And I have come to see that

[Fnord 2,275]

1 hour ago, kilroy69 said:

I think we are blowing this out of proportion because Trump is is the immediate benefactor of this decision. Realistically do we want a prosecutor in California or New York charging the president for something he did in office that the prosecutor finds morally wrong?  What if that prosecutor thinks biden is helping Israel commit genocide and charges him as soon as he leaves office? 

This has never been a problem. A prosecutor with an axe to grind has never gone after a sitting or former president, until Trump of course. Why is this suddenly so important? 

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Go back and read my reply, that is my opinion

That is an unusual conclusion when we have what he said. It’s not a trick, he told us.

[RLLD 4,230]

8 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

That is an unusual conclusion when we have what he said. It’s not a trick, he told us.

Right, same thing was used in the manipulation of his prior statements.  I am less inclined to believe these things given the string of lies used against the guy for the last few years....

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, RLLD said:

Right, same thing was used in the manipulation of his prior statements.  I am less inclined to believe these things given the string of lies used against the guy for the last few years....

It’s not a manipulation it’s his words from his Jan 6th speech in whole to a crowd of people just before they went bananas 

It’s Pence’s words directly commenting on this.

[seafoam1 3,031]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

It’s not a manipulation it’s his words from his Jan 6th speech in whole to a crowd of people just before they went bananas 

It’s Pence’s words directly commenting on this.

Just take the loss peejenny.

[RLLD 4,230]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It’s not a manipulation it’s his words from his Jan 6th speech in whole to a crowd of people just before they went bananas 

It’s Pence’s words directly commenting on this.

His words, his actual words, have been and continue to be weaponized.....while others blithely speak without similar accountability.   Defending those who do the same thing, while only holding one accountable....does not sway me

[cyclone24 1,913]

4 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

I don't care if he murders a hooker.  I do care if he murders his VP or others in an official act as president in order to protect America from a stolen election.

So you’re doubling down on the bogeyman. OK got it. Not necessarily you but sometimes I’m surprised you guys make it through a full day.

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, RLLD said:

His words, his actual words, have been and continue to be weaponized.....while others blithely speak without similar accountability.   Defending those who do the same thing, while only holding one accountable....does not sway me

Wow. Good grief. This is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears.

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Wow. Good grief. This is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears.

Because I am not arriving the conclusion you want me to..... I think you could perhaps be a little too invested in this.

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Wow. Good grief. This is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears.

 

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

RLLD lives in a fantasy world, where he gets to pick and choose what facts he will accept.  I look forward to "Pence misinterpreted it". 

 

HTH

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

 

HTH

Great call, I do not give you enough credit for logical thought.  

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, RLLD said:

Because I am not arriving the conclusion you want me to..... I think you could perhaps be a little too invested in this.

Not at all. It is because you have what he said, what his VP said and you are going on about manipulation or some such nonsense. It’s wild to me.

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Not at all. It is because you have what he said, what his VP said and you are going on about manipulation or some such nonsense. It’s wild to me.

Maybe we instead wait.....we have seen how long it can take for folks to.......amend their earlier position on what the guy said....