So a person tried to assassinate Trump

[DonS 3,292]

7 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

It something, is it not? They knew well before his speech that there was a security breach but still let him take the stage. A building within the Kill Zone was unsecured, they were told not to engage the gunman, they waited until after he squeezed of 4 rounds to engage the threat, the SS agent who shot the suspect was fired for disregarding orders. 

My theory; they had Intel that this was imminent and let it happen. 

What other conclusion is there? 

What is this regarding SS agent being fired?  I hadn't heard/read anything about that.

[nobody 2,672]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Sounds like you agree that the MSM saying “crosshairs,” “bullseye,” or “Trump is the end of democracy” aren’t that bad because only already crazy people will actually act on it.

Bullseye and crosshairs I agree aren't a big deal.  The steady drumbeat of trump is a threat to democracy is a problem.  It's not true and the endless repetition of that thought is going to incite the crazies.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Just to add to some of the things I said earlier and some usual suspects jumped on. The AP has done some phenomenal reporting on this and this article talks about the failures of the various law enforcement (SS on down) from Saturday:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-shooting-rally-a1bcbaa4a604e09be8cc22893751895b

- There were 6 different agencies along with fire and rescue officials working the event. More manpower is good, but can lead to communication issues. 

- The Secret Service controls the area inside the perimeter, after people pass through metal detectors. Local law enforcement is supposed to handle outside the perimeter.

- Crooks was spotted again when members of a local SWAT team, stationed inside the building complex, noticed him walking around and looking at the roof. One officer took a photo of Crooks and radioed to others to be on the lookout for a suspicious person looking through a rangefinder — a small device resembling binoculars that hunters use to measure distance from a target.

Not long after, witnesses reported seeing him scaling the squat building closest to the stage. He then set up his AR-style rifle and lay on the rooftop, a detonator in his pocket to set off crude explosive devices that were stashed in his car parked nearby.

Outside, a local officer climbed up to the roof to investigate. The gunman turned and pointed his rifle at him. The officer did not — or could not — fire a single shot. But Crooks did, firing into the crowd toward the former president and sending panicked spectators ducking for cover as Secret Service agents shielded Trump and pulled him from the stage. Two countersniper teams were stationed on buildings behind Trump, and the team further away from Crooks fired once, killing him.

- Essentially- Crooks was spotted an hour ahead of time and gave off enough suspicion that they even took a photo of him to circulate. Then they lost sight of him. But he was spotted again 20 minutes later by that local SWAT team.

- There were special agents, presidential protective teams, counterassault and countersniper teams all there that day. There were also roughly 50 firefighters and emergency personnel, plus dozens of officers from the Butler Township police, deputies from Beaver County and Butler County and Pennsylvania State Police troopers.

 

Look Cheatle is going to- or should- lose her job over this. This is a catastrophic failure even with the idea that she followed typical protocols in many aspects. But unfortunately that is how these things work. You can follow the same procedure that you've followed numerous times but the result of it changes and you get fired for the result and not the practice. And it doesn't matter if the kid never made it in and thus the local people were more responsible- the plan comes from the SS down so something going wrong is going to fall back on you. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Regarding the talk of the roof slope. The Washington Post looked into some of that and using videos and photos from the event, satellite imagery and terrain analysis they built a 3D model of the rally site, the shooter's position. With that it seems that the countersniper teams may not have initially seen Crooks as he crawled up the roof and the trees around the area may have played into that as well. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2024/trump-rally-shooting-maps-secret-service-analysis/

Some key notes:

- The Post’s assessments were reviewed and corroborated by three former law enforcement officials, including two retired snipers and a former Secret Service agent, as well as a former marine sniper.

- Countersniper teams commonly scan for threats with binoculars, which offer a wider field of vision than a rifle optic, said Jason Lawless, a retired officer who worked as a sniper with the Tulsa Police Department’s Special Operations Team. But about two minutes before gunshots were fired, the northernmost team had already moved to their rifle positions, suggesting they were attuned to a potential threat at that point. It’s unclear exactly when Crooks first became visible to Secret Service countersnipers.

- The closest countersniper team to the shooter had two trees in their line of vision from where they were to where Crooks was- so they may not have been able to see him which is why it is the team furthest away that fired the shot that took out Crooks.

- The southernmost countersniper team, which can be seen in earlier images facing south, appeared to reorient northward before Crooks allegedly fired, suggesting that they were also aware of a threat. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

This would have been the perfect video, but right before the first shot he turns the camera around for the hang loose selfie.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

10 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

It something, is it not? They knew well before his speech that there was a security breach but still let him take the stage. A building within the Kill Zone was unsecured, they were told not to engage the gunman, they waited until after he squeezed of 4 rounds to engage the threat, the SS agent who shot the suspect was fired for disregarding orders.

My theory; they had Intel that this was imminent and let it happen. 

What other conclusion is there? 

Yes.  This is the most plausible explanation in light of the pure facts of eyewitness accounts.  On this day the SS appears to have been under orders to let this happen.  The kid blew the shot.  

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The doosh @Reality is right about one thing, the ridiculous part about the “sloped roof” thing is Cheatle’s claim that it caused a “safety factor” for why they wouldn’t want to put someone up there.

 

My thing with her comment on that is just saying "safety factor" is vague. What was the factor in it? Was it literally just someone being on the roof? Was it they didn't think they could see effectively from up there? Was it solely just passing off that factor to the local officials and washing their hands of it?

My guess is most of the investigation will focus on that aspect of it all because clearly something broke down in the handling of the building access and someone fell asleep at the wheel on it. I think Cheatle knows that and is using the "safety factor" excuse thinking it will buy them an out. It won't but I think it is the best attempt they can make. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Yes.  This is the most plausible explanation in light of the pure facts of eyewitness accounts.  On this day the SS appears to have been under orders to let this happen.  The kid blew the shot.  

The SS was not under orders to let this happen. That is a completely dumb conspiracy theory. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

The SS was not under orders to let this happen. That is a completely dumb conspiracy theory. 

Okay.  They were under orders to not stop it

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Okay.  They were under orders to not stop it

Nope...equally dumb. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

The head of the SS was obviously not the best person for the job. Or even close.  This isn’t like Gutterboys uncle giving him a job. These positions matter and have real consequences.  Plus she has done her best to hire unqualified people herself, recently bragging that the SS had graduated more women than men from their academy.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

18 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

On this day the SS appears to have been under orders to let this happen.  The kid blew the shot.  

Without question 

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

17 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The SS was not under orders to let this happen. That is a completely dumb conspiracy theory. 

THEY DID LET IT HAPPEN 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

THEY DID LET IT HAPPEN 

This is the logical conclusion for anyone not a Biden apologist.  

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Just now, Tree of Knowledge said:

This is the logical conclusion for anyone not a Biden apologist.  

You guys and this stuff....

The SS was not told to let Trump get shot. There was malpractice in how they did security but that isn't "You need to let this happen"

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

You guys and this stuff....

The SS was not told to let Trump get shot. There was malpractice in how they did security but that isn't "You need to let this happen"

Link?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Link?

Post your link telling you the SS allowed this to happen.

I've posted plenty of links breaking down where things went wrong in securing the venue. 

[RLLD 4,230]

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 @RLLD seemed to be the one making claims initially, and @Herbivore was just calling him out.  @RLLD said “the rhetoric started” with people towards Trump. @Herbivore said no it started at minimum with Palin/Giffords and @RLLD said no it didn’t it started with people towards Trump. So the only way that would make any sense would be if @RLLD didn’t think Biden’s bullseye comment was “dangerous rhetoric”

Correct. I think the bullseye comment is being over blown, well done, you surprise me  

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You guys and this stuff....

The SS was not told to let Trump get shot. There was malpractice in how they did security but that isn't "You need to let this happen"

Nobody said it was an ordered hit  

Its something, is it not? They knew well before his speech that there was a security breach but still let him take the stage. A building within the Kill Zone was unsecured, they were told not to engage the gunman, they waited until after he squeezed of 4 rounds to engage the threat, the SS agent who shot the suspect was fired for disregarding orders.

My theory; they had Intel that this was imminent and let it happen. 

What other conclusion is there? 

[Reality 3,121]

On 7/17/2024 at 6:21 AM, Reality said:

Dude almost died and is only alive because he just happened to move his head at the right time, who knows, maybe by the grace of God. 

Here, we have people actually complaining about the bandage he's wearing. Some of you really need some self reflection, or, maybe you're simply just straight up garbage human beings. I'm not sure but, this ain't it. This ain't it fellas.

Take a step back, forget about your politics for a second, try to be a human being.

 

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

No, your long post was not about the response, it was you saying you “weren’t surprised” that someone tried to assassinate Trump because of the rhetoric coming from the left.

Were you also “not surprised” by Gabby Giffords being shot after Sarah Palin put her in the crosshairs, a woman being murdered over a pride flag, or gays being killed in a mass shooting in Colorado Springs (and no @Strike, the shooter was not non-binary)?

Liar, thanks again for having my back though. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Why did the SS let it happen if it wasn't ordered by Biden?  They took upon themselves to just let it happen individually?

[TimHauck 2,875]

3 minutes ago, Reality said:

 

Liar, thanks again for having my back though. 

I was referring to this, dummy

On 7/15/2024 at 7:54 PM, Reality said:

Democrats pretty much bragged about registering Republican to vote for somebody other than Trump in the primaries. Haley had massive support from Democrats in the primaries, hilarious, considering they would have never voted for her in the general. But, whatever...

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-crossover-voting-gop-primary-republicans-trump-1850387

Making some sweeping judgement based on political registration is absurd. Most non-retards know this. Dude tried to murder Trump, that's what we know.

I am not surprised this happened considering the vitriol that has come from the left for the last 3 years. The left, from top to bottom, has declared Trump a threat to democracy, which is disgusting and absurd. What did they think would end up happening? 

 

[Reality 3,121]

11 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Nobody said it was an ordered hit  

Its something, is it not? They knew well before his speech that there was a security breach but still let him take the stage. A building within the Kill Zone was unsecured, they were told not to engage the gunman, they waited until after he squeezed of 4 rounds to engage the threat, the SS agent who shot the suspect was fired for disregarding orders.

My theory; they had Intel that this was imminent and let it happen. 

What other conclusion is there? 

The delay in response looks really bad, consistently ignoring the requests for more resources looks really bad as well.

Hopefully the investigations get to the bottom of it all, either way, the Director needs to be removed as soon as possible. Pure negligence or something more sinister, I wouldn't know but, she's failed miserably at her job.

[RLLD 4,230]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Why did the SS let it happen if it wasn't ordered by Biden?  They took upon themselves to just let it happen individually?

I do not think they let it happen, but they seem to have some problems.  After that shooting, requests to my company to provide security have surged, hell we were asked to step up this week to protect Sec Granholm for her home move.....its crazy right now, none of the govies think the SS can protect them.....which is of course good money for us 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Why did the SS let it happen if it wasn't ordered by Biden?  They took upon themselves to just let it happen individually?

Because they were willing to disgrace and dishonor themselves, their careers, their families, and the history of the Secret Service. 
 

This is a great example why most conspiracy theories are so incredibly stupid. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Why did the SS let it happen if it wasn't ordered by Biden?  They took upon themselves to just let it happen individually?

You tell me? Because they certainly LET it happen. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You tell me? Because they certainly LET it happen. 

Tell us why.

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

do not think they let it happen

Of course they let it happen. They had more than ample notice and time to eliminate the threat. 

And knowing of an active threat, why didn't they get Trump out of there? 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Tell us why.

I told you why

[TimHauck 2,875]

19 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

, the SS agent who shot the suspect was fired for disregarding orders.

 

Link that isn’t using 4chan as the source?

[Reality 3,121]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I was referring to this, dummy

And? The conversation had evolved to the absurd. We're questioning bandage options...

Hence, my response. 

Anyway, have a good day and Thanks for having my back. Appreciate it little fella. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Link that isn’t from 4chan?

He wasn't. I had that wrong. He's on temporary leave pending investigation. A normal practice after a shooting. 

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Of course they let it happen. They had more than ample notice and time to eliminate the threat. 

And knowing of an active threat, why didn't they get Trump out of there? 

 

The reaction to that attempt, that being a rather robust response across government to get extra outside security, tells me that this was likely not something planned.....

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

The reaction to that attempt, that being a rather robust response across government to get extra outside security, tells me that this was likely not something planned.....

A Walmart Security guard could of seen that unfold 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

"Ahem. OK, here’s what we’ve got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner! We’re through the looking glass, here, people."¹ 

[TimHauck 2,875]

12 minutes ago, Reality said:

And? The conversation had evolved to the absurd. We're questioning bandage options...

Hence, my response. 

Anyway, have a good day and Thanks for having my back. Appreciate it little fella. 

Do as I say, not as I do, got it 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

And why does the state run media continue to use the assassin’s grade school picture?  
 

They have a more current photo where he looks like any other Antifa soy boy Charles Manson wannabe.  

[Cdub100 3,908]

A company called Austin Private Wealth LLC shorted 12,000,000 shares of $DJT via a put option. The filing date is July 12th, the day before the assassination attempt. 

https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/1813697562609623396

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

5 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

A company called Austin Private Wealth LLC shorted 12,000,000 shares of $DJT via a put option. The filing date is July 12th, the day before the assassination attempt. 

https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/1813697562609623396

That’s a little strange to say the least

[Mike Honcho 5,275]

6 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

A company called Austin Private Wealth LLC shorted 12,000,000 shares of $DJT via a put option. The filing date is July 12th, the day before the assassination attempt. 

https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/1813697562609623396

Crazy, shorting a stock that most analysts believe is overvalued by a factor of 10.