The ICE Raids are killing local economies; they need to stop

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

https://voiceofoc.org/2025/08/orange-county-feels-economic-fallout-of-ice-raids/
 

And this is only the beginning. They’re not stopping crime, they’re hurting the economy. Shut them down. Now. 

[iam90sbaby 2,645]

No sh!t it’s hurting your economy, the entire California economy is based on illegals. 

The raids will continue! 

o7

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said:

No sh!t it’s hurting your economy, the entire California economy is based on illegals. 

The raids will continue! 

o7

Not only California the entire U.S. economy is based on these people. 

[iam90sbaby 2,645]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Not only California the entire U.S. economy is based on these people. 

That’s not a real country. GDP isn’t the most important god damn thing in the world. 

You aren’t posting anything that we don’t already. Yes if you deport a bunch of people working illegally it’s going to hurt the economy, no focking sh!t. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,924]

Oh nos…Tim will have to pay a living wage to the hombres pulling his weeds.  

[supermike80 1,965]

Yeah...This argument isn't gonna work for me.  The economy will be fine.   Any small drop due to the lack of illegal labor will be recovered.  

[cyclone24 1,926]

For liberals their perfect country is we sneak in millions upon millions of illegals, pay those people five dollars an hour to do the jobs we wont do (proven false), but triple the minimum wage for OUR workers….crushing american small businesses. 

[Strike 5,684]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://voiceofoc.org/2025/08/orange-county-feels-economic-fallout-of-ice-raids/
 

And this is only the beginning. They’re not stopping crime, they’re hurting the economy. Shut them down. Now. 

That's what happens when you let a problem grow out of control.  You're not gonna find this argument compelling to many people who weren't already illegal alien apologists 

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

For liberals their perfect country is we sneak in millions upon millions of illegals, pay those people five dollars an hour to do the jobs we wont do (proven false), but triple the minimum wage for OUR workers….crushing american small businesses. 

If this were the case every chamber of commerce (made up of small businesses) would be in favor of these raids. But in fact it’s the opposite. They’re all opposed because small businesses depend on this labor. You’re crushing them by scaring these people off. 

[cyclone24 1,926]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

If this were the case every chamber of commerce (made up of small businesses) would be in favor of these raids. But in fact it’s the opposite. They’re all opposed because small businesses depend on this labor. You’re crushing them by scaring these people off. 

I’m not doing anything. Businesses that made the choice to exploit cheap labor against our country’s laws are paying a price. That’s on them.
 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

Just now, Strike said:

That's what happens when you let a problem grow out of control.  You're not gonna find this argument compelling to many people who weren't already illegal alien apologists 

It was never out of control. And I have never apologized for anyone. It’s the reverse: you and others are apologizing for the deportations. 
 

As far as compelling goes, what can I say? My observation has been that there is nothing more compelling to the average voter than how things affect his pocketbook. But maybe you’re right that this will be the one and only exception to that rule. I doubt it. We’ll see. 

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

I’m not doing anything. Businesses that made the choice to exploit cheap labor against our country’s laws are paying a price. That’s on them.
 

 

Businesses didn’t make that choice on their own. Consumers as well. As I wrote, the entire economy. It’s called capitalism. And if these folks want to be here for the pay they’re receiving I don’t think you can call it exploitation. 

[TheNewGirl 1,527]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If this were the case every chamber of commerce (made up of small businesses) would be in favor of these raids. But in fact it’s the opposite. They’re all opposed because small businesses depend on this labor. You’re crushing them by scaring these people off. 

All opposed? 

All of them? 

Every last one? 

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

I find it interesting that none of you are denying that this is hurting the economy. You seem to be saying “OK, so be it.” I am frankly counting on this being a minority opinion. 

[cyclone24 1,926]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Businesses didn’t make that choice on their own. Consumers as well. As I wrote, the entire economy. It’s called capitalism. And if these folks want to be here for the pay they’re receiving I don’t think you can call it exploitation. 

You could make that argument, but at the end of the day you have to come to grips with the fact that only one entity in that equation is breaking the law…

So you can’t really later complain that you’re not making enough money

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

All opposed? 

All of them? 

Every last one? 

I haven’t encountered a chamber of commerce, anywhere, in favor of deportations. I HAVE  encountered many opposed. If you have contradictory evidence please present it. 

[cyclone24 1,926]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I find it interesting that none of you are denying that this is hurting the economy. You seem to be saying “OK, so be it.” I am frankly counting on this being a minority opinion. 

How so? CPI went down… I don’t see any disruptions in food supply. I don’t see businesses saying oh my gosh we can’t even do business because we don’t have workers now. 
 

Either way your argument ends up being supporting and exploiting illegal labor. Tell me how that helps American workers?

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

You could make that argument, but at the end of the day you have to come to grips with the fact that only one entity in that equation is breaking the law…

So you can’t really later complain that you’re not making enough money

In the history of this nation we have never fully enforced our immigration laws. We don’t today. They’re unworkable. Trump’s attempt to enforce them, haphazardly in target raids aimed at largely Hispanic communities, is itself unlawful. 

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

How so? CPI went down… I don’t see any disruptions in food supply. I don’t see businesses saying oh my gosh we can’t even do business because we don’t have workers now. 
 

Either way your argument ends up being supporting and exploiting illegal labor. Tell me how that helps American workers?

Well first I linked to you an article about how the raids hurt our economy. I can link several more. Or just Google it. They’re all over the place. 
 

Second: undocumented labor in jobs that the vast majority of Americans don’t want keep prices low and therefore give American workers more spending power. That is greatly to their benefit. 

[TheNewGirl 1,527]

9 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

 I don’t see businesses saying oh my gosh we can’t even do business because we don’t have workers now. 
 

Same here. 

I know of know one that's complaining about this. I recently went to a local chamber meeting for my city and they didn't appear any different, not one small business owner complaining about any of what Tim is saying. 

Yet, it's ALL of them. 

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

Same here. 

I know of know one that's complaining about this. I recently went to a local chamber meeting for my city and they didn't appear any different, not one small business owner complaining about any of what Tim is saying. 

Yet, it's ALL of them. 

I’ll never prove it to you until the next election. And then we’ll see. I admit not much can be done until then. Unless….

Im actually hoping somebody can get to Trump and tell him how stupid this is. I’ve always gotten the sense that he doesn’t take this nearly as seriously as Stephen Miller and the MAGA fanatics out there. Trump has, after all, used plenty of undocumented labor on his properties. Maybe he’ll come around when he sees the effects. 

[supermike80 1,965]

23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It was never out of control. And I have never apologized for anyone. It’s the reverse: you and others are apologizing for the deportations. 
 

As far as compelling goes, what can I say? My observation has been that there is nothing more compelling to the average voter than how things affect his pocketbook. But maybe you’re right that this will be the one and only exception to that rule. I doubt it. We’ll see. 

Ugh Tim.   You are flat out lying...again.   You were sure, certain, no doubt in your mind Kamala was gonna win.   Even with the economy under her administration....Please stop lying.  it really gets old with you.

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Ugh Tim.   You are flat out lying...again.   You were sure, certain, no doubt in your mind Kamala was gonna win.   Even with the economy under her administration....Please stop lying.  it really gets old with you.

What did I lie about? 

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43 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

For liberals their perfect country is we sneak in millions upon millions of illegals, pay those people five dollars an hour to do the jobs we wont do (proven false), but triple the minimum wage for OUR workers….crushing american small businesses. 

Thank You.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,484]

So according to your illogical logic, it’s ok to allow the border crossers to drain our government resources and steal jobs, and make those who are becoming legal citizens irrelevant. Bre-fawking-good 

[squistion 2,259]

49 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I find it interesting that none of you are denying that this is hurting the economy. You seem to be saying “OK, so be it.” I am frankly counting on this being a minority opinion. 

And they also keep saying "That's what I voted for!" (which, for future reference, you can file under Famous Last Words). 

[Horseman 2,550]

36 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What did I lie about? 

Your observations are full of chit.  He even gave you an example.  100% blowhard nonsense.  

[Horseman 2,550]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://voiceofoc.org/2025/08/orange-county-feels-economic-fallout-of-ice-raids/
 

And this is only the beginning. They’re not stopping crime, they’re hurting the economy. Shut them down. Now. 

Orange County?  Good maybe it will catch on fire too.  

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

35 minutes ago, BunnysBastatrds said:

So according to your illogical logic, it’s ok to allow the border crossers to drain our government resources and steal jobs, and make those who are becoming legal citizens irrelevant. Bre-fawking-good 

As I’ve pointed out countless times, the actual facts contradict you. They don’t cost government more than they put in, they don’t steal jobs, and they have no effect on people who come here with documents. Everything you wrote is 100% wrong. 

[Meglamaniac 583]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I haven’t encountered a chamber of commerce, anywhere, in favor of deportations. I HAVE  encountered many opposed. If you have contradictory evidence please present it. 

Ummmm, you first, you've provided ZERO evidence chambers are against it.  For the last time, ypur opinion is not fact

[HellToupee 1,866]

El Gordo tim is upset that he wont have his pick of bad hombres to exploit 

[SUXBNME 1,540]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I haven’t encountered a chamber of commerce, anywhere, in favor of deportations. I HAVE  encountered many opposed. If you have contradictory evidence please present it. 

I don't think the Geek Club is ready to hear about your "encounters".   Just sayin

[RLLD 4,272]

Democrats once again trying to stop us from taking their slaves.....

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

20 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

Ummmm, you first, you've provided ZERO evidence chambers are against it.  For the last time, ypur opinion is not fact

Seriously? 
 

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-06-10/la-chamber-for-comprehensive-immigration-reform-that-reflects-reality-of-todays-workforce

https://advocacy.calchamber.com/policy/issues/immigration-reform/
 

And this is a bit older but the view hasn’t changed much: 

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/story/60-chambers-of-commerce-call-on-congress-to-protect-daca-and-tps/

The U.S. Chamber has taken the lead on this issue. 

[Meglamaniac 583]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

If this were the case every chamber of commerce (made up of small businesses) would be in favor of these raids. But in fact it’s the opposite. They’re all opposed because small businesses depend on this labor. You’re crushing them by scaring these people off. 

 

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Seriously? 
 

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-06-10/la-chamber-for-comprehensive-immigration-reform-that-reflects-reality-of-todays-workforce

https://advocacy.calchamber.com/policy/issues/immigration-reform/
 

And this is a bit older but the view hasn’t changed much: 

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/story/60-chambers-of-commerce-call-on-congress-to-protect-daca-and-tps/

The U.S. Chamber has taken the lead on this issue. 

This seems a far cry from "All of them"

[Voltaire 5,350]

54 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Democrats once again trying to stop us from taking their slaves.....

I see somebody else noticed that 160 years ago, Democrats were making the exact same arguments about cotton and tobacco workers.

In states other than California, Americans who do these jobs were getting squeezed by the underpaid illegal immigrants, so they voted the illegals out.  Meanwhile, in California, those Americans have long been put out of business already since they have to pay the minimum wage and contractors who hire illegals don't.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,924]

Tim is Simon Legree 2025

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,202]

Did his Tim just tried to prove his point by linking to a bunch of pro-illegal immigration websites? What the f***

[TimHauck 2,996]

3 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Yeah...This argument isn't gonna work for me.  The economy will be fine.   Any small drop due to the lack of illegal labor will be recovered.  

So the small drop will have little if any impact on the housing market, correct?

[Horseman 2,550]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Did his Tim just tried to prove his point by linking to a bunch of pro-illegal immigration websites? What the f***

Tim, Tim, Squid and Gutter in a Battle Royale for the Dumbest TDS Infected Championship.