Describe something from the "other side" that you agree with

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584]

This seems like what you are for. What about things that the other side is for that you agree with?

 

no these are like my middle ground things

 

honestly the only thing I agree with that is a left sided stance is animal cruelty

[penultimatestraw 473]

This is a sperm-off from another thread where there was all sorts of arguing (shocking, I know).

 

Instead of highlighting things that you vehemently and fundamentally disagree with, identify things that the other side thinks that you agree with.

 

I am sort of in the middle, so I agree with some things on both sides of the lunacy that we have, including:

- Legal immigration only. We can't have an open door policy.

- Abortion - let women decide, but make the decision before 20 weeks unless mom is in danger. We don't need more unwanted kids out there.

- Guns - we don't need to have AR's, bump stocks, cop-killer ammo, but we don't need to restrict legal ownership of 99% of weapons.

- Welfare - we have too many people on welfare. It still pays more to not work in many situations than it does to get a job. We could probably cut 20% of the people on welfare without affecting those who are really in need.

- Healthcare - everyone should have access to affordable healthcare. We need to work on the cost side and I don't think that healthcare should cover boob-jobs and sex changes, but it should cover birth control (see abortion).

 

 

Let's see what the political thread lovers offer up here.

Agree with most of what you said, though I think gun control should be stricter - not necessarily the number of weapons, but background checks, waiting periods, accountability for lost/stolen weapons, etc.

[penultimatestraw 473]

What do you guys think about this idea for augmenting public assistance.

 

For those on govt. assistance, go to the grocery store and you can grab all you want of the good expiring that day.

More poor people with food poisoning = more medical expense.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Got it. Simplification of the tax code in general would be good. Get rid of some loopholes and maybe we can cut out some of the IRS people who don't even audit effectively anyway.

Simplify and automate taxes. Accountants, at least for tax prep, and the IRS shouldn't be necessary.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Why should there be limits on anyones pay in the free market?

I never understood this argument.

Because CEO's etc. have too much power to give themselves raises at the expense of the little guy, which they have done repeatedly.

[wiffleball 4,642]

I dont believe in superstars organic food and foreign cars

I dont believe the price of gold the certainty of growing old

That right is right and left is wrong that north and south cant get along

That east is east and west is west and being first is always best

 

I dont believe that heaven waits for only those who congregate

I like to think of God as love hes down below hes up above

Hes watchin people everywhere he knows who does and doesnt care

 

Well I dont believe virginity is as common as it used to be

In working days and sleeping nights that black is black and white is white

 

That Superman and Robin Hood are still alive in Hollywood

That gasolines in short supply the rising cost of gettin by

But I believe in love I believe in old folks.

 

And I believe I'll have another beer.

[NorthernVike 2,080]

I dont believe in superstars organic food and foreign cars

I dont believe the price of gold the certainty of growing old

That right is right and left is wrong that north and south cant get along

That east is east and west is west and being first is always best

 

I dont believe that heaven waits for only those who congregate

I like to think of God as love hes down below hes up above

Hes watchin people everywhere he knows who does and doesnt care

 

Well I dont believe virginity is as common as it used to be

In working days and sleeping nights that black is black and white is white

 

That Superman and Robin Hood are still alive in Hollywood

That gasolines in short supply the rising cost of gettin by

But I believe in love I believe in old folks.

 

And I believe I'll have another beer.

I belive in you.

[kilroy69 994]

I do not have a side. At best I am a bastard.

 

I believe in a social safety net. I believe in a government that puts the people before big business.

 

I also believe there are 2 genders. I believe in the death penalty and gun rights.

[kutulu 1,547]

I don't believe in miracles

I don't believe in lies

I don't believe in hologram

For I am the Frizzle Fry

[spork in the road 2]

If that is true, then wouldn't we be better off in working on those things instead of all of the other bullshit that people don't agree with?

 

My next theory is that we actually agree on a ton of things, but the nature of our political infrastructure has gotten to the point that it really doesn't matter. Things are set up so that we no longer know HOW to work on things that we agree on because we have focused solely on putting our perceived "other side" down.

 

I think the current situation is a product of the primary system. Funding and nominations go to the most extreme candidates even if most folks would prefer someone more centrist.

[Cloaca du jour 2,064]

I think ghosts should have rights

[Hardcore troubadour 12,653]

I think ghosts should have rights

How about spooks?

[SenatorRock 708]

Because CEO's etc. have too much power to give themselves raises at the expense of the little guy, which they have done repeatedly.

I always get a kick out of people who complain about CEO pay.

 

Usually it is people who work for the government in some fashion, be it education, social work, municipal work, etc. Never had to manage or grow anything that involves risk or responsibility.

 

They also usually watch awards shows and think celebrities making $100 million per year through their movies, bball games, and endorsements are heroes.

 

And they worship Buffett who is the epitome of tax "dodging" billionaire.

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

I always get a kick out of people who complain about CEO pay.

 

Usually it is people who work for the government in some fashion, be it education, social work, municipal work, etc. Never had to manage or grow anything that involves risk or responsibility.

 

They also usually watch awards shows and think celebrities making $100 million per year through their movies, bball games, and endorsements are heroes.

 

And they worship Buffett who is the epitome of tax "dodging" billionaire.

I cant stand anyone who complains about what anyone makes. This is America, if you want it shut the fock up and go get it.

[trumpurethra 42]

Nothing that I can think of. Everything I associate the republican party with I disagree with.

 

They want more military and war. Trump is currently pushing us closer and closer. Just a matter of time before we invade somebody.

 

They like guns. No reason for average citizens to have access to rapid fire, high caliber rifles. No reason for them to have access to more lethal ammo. No reason for them to have access to military and police grade sh!t. You going to hunt deer with that AR 15?

 

They want to limit peoples freedoms via religion. I mean doesn't the constitution say separation of church and state? It specifically says that right? Republicans forgot that long ago.

 

I do like trumps tariffs. I think it will be painful but will help the working man. I'm all for it. But everything else is bullsh!t. He incites violence and anger in everything he does. And he whines like a b!tch on her period.

[seafoam1 1,879]

Nothing that I can think of. Everything I associate the republican party with I disagree with.

 

Shocking.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I always get a kick out of people who complain about CEO pay.

Usually it is people who work for the government in some fashion, be it education, social work, municipal work, etc. Never had to manage or grow anything that involves risk or responsibility.

They also usually watch awards shows and think celebrities making $100 million per year through their movies, bball games, and endorsements are heroes.

And they worship Buffett who is the epitome of tax "dodging" billionaire.

I’ve set up/run my own clinic and acted as a private consultant. I don’t work for government either.

 

I think CEOs should be paid a lot, just not several hundred fold greater than the average worker. That ratio has gone up over time, and continues to do so. Why are CEOs so much more valuable today than 20/50 years ago?

 

I also think athletes and entertainers are grossly overpaid. Our society’s priorities are seriously fvcked up.

[Voltaire 4,560]

I don't have a side but I am rolling with the GOP as an ally for the near future. If Team Trump fully displaces Team Jeb! I'm in more securely.

 

I agree with Dems on the environment (within reason), progressive taxation, health care (generally), military spending, guns, work relations/worker rights, consumer safety, net neutrality, Dems are less irresponsible on the budget, and that Trump's personal behavior is atrocious

 

I agree with the GOP on spending on social programs, judicial appointments, crime, race relations, immigration, LBGTQ issues, educational reforms, campus/workplace/online free speech, media bias, what counts as humor, trade (Trump not Jeb!), America First foreign policy (Trump, very not Jeb!), civil behavior and social policies generally

[seafoam1 1,879]

I also think athletes and entertainers are grossly overpaid. Our society’s priorities are seriously fvcked up.

 

Where do you think all that money those leagues and shows pull in should go? Are you a socialist?

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

Where do you think all that money those leagues and shows pull in should go? Are you a socialist?

I think the events shouldn't cost nearly as much as they do, but certainly the performers should get a cut of the proceeds, as should the team owner, venue workers, etc.

 

Not a socialist.

[seafoam1 1,879]

I think the events shouldn't cost nearly as much as they do, but certainly the performers should get a cut of the proceeds, as should the team owner, venue workers, etc.

 

Not a socialist.

Supply and demand?

 

Personally I don't care what these people get paid, I just don't want to hear about it as a talking point. And more so, I don't think that actors or athletes are smarter than others simply because they think very highly of themselves or are popular in the entertainment business. Just do your job and entertain me. Otherwise I will go elsewhere. It amazes me how many people praise them because they are popular.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Nothing that I can think of. Everything I associate the republican party with I disagree with.

 

They want more military and war. Trump is currently pushing us closer and closer. Just a matter of time before we invade somebody. Liberals want no military hence more war.

 

They like guns. No reason for average citizens to have access to rapid fire, high caliber rifles. No reason for them to have access to more lethal ammo. No reason for them to have access to military and police grade sh!t. You going to hunt deer with that AR 15? Liberals want all guns removed; so did Hitler.

 

They want to limit peoples freedoms via religion. I mean doesn't the constitution say separation of church and state? It specifically says that right? Republicans forgot that long ago. Liberals don't believe in God.

 

I do like trumps tariffs. I think it will be painful but will help the working man. I'm all for it. But everything else is bullsh!t. He incites violence and anger in Liberals by everything he does. And he MAKES THEM whine like a b!tches on her period.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

 

Unless you are talking about the radical left, you are off-base with the libs that I know.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,653]

 

Unless you are talking about the radical left, you are off-base with the libs that I know.

Do the libs you know want to do away with ICE?

[nzoner 936]

I'm good with...

 

 

Gay Marriage

Legal pot

If I had to choose I'll take #2

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Do the libs you know want to do away with ICE?

 

No. Still need immigration control. Open borders are not feasible or desirable. The liberals that I talk to here in the land of moonbats understand that we need to tighten our borders. They don't think a wall will get it done either and we need to have some immigration.

 

Big issue with most liberals is with those already here. They don't want to round em up and ship em out. Some think that minor offenses are not worthy of deportation. I get it.

 

My guess is that you would easily have 85% of the people on board with:

- tightening up who and how many immigrants we let in.

- deport those here illegally who are caught in felonies

[Hardcore troubadour 12,653]

 

No. Still need immigration control. Open borders are not feasible or desirable. The liberals that I talk to here in the land of moonbats understand that we need to tighten our borders. They don't think a wall will get it done either and we need to have some immigration.

 

Big issue with most liberals is with those already here. They don't want to round em up and ship em out. Some think that minor offenses are not worthy of deportation. I get it.

 

My guess is that you would easily have 85% of the people on board with:

- tightening up who and how many immigrants we let in.

- deport those here illegally who are caught in felonies

Ok, but the problem is, the people they are going to be voting for have a more extreme view. They want to do away with ICE as an example. There is more.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Ok, but the problem is, the people they are going to be voting for have a more extreme view. They want to do away with ICE as an example. There is more.

I don't agree that there are a material number of people with a more extreme view. I don't think that there are any more of them than those who want to get rid of every illegal out there. There are some and they are vocal, but I don't think that there are enough of them to worry about appeasing.

[penultimatestraw 473]

 

I don't agree that there are a material number of people with a more extreme view. I don't think that there are any more of them than those who want to get rid of every illegal out there. There are some and they are vocal, but I don't think that there are enough of them to worry about appeasing.

Yep. The vast majority of people aren't extreme in their views, yet the tribalist mentality prevents reasonable compromise.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,653]

 

I don't agree that there are a material number of people with a more extreme view. I don't think that there are any more of them than those who want to get rid of every illegal out there. There are some and they are vocal, but I don't think that there are enough of them to worry about appeasing.

Difference is, Trump and the republicans have offered a compromise on Daca. The left said no.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Difference is, Trump and the republicans have offered a compromise on Daca. The left said no.

I have not looked at it in any detail, but I would think that, if the majority party were unable to pass a reasonable compromise, then it may not be reasonable.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,653]

I have not looked at it in any detail, but I would think that, if the majority party were unable to pass a reasonable compromise, then it may not be reasonable.

Basically he wants the wall and to end chain migration and the lottery system. Is that so unreasonable to let the dreamers in? Other stuff too like no welfare. Again, all reasonable.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Basically he wants the wall and to end chain migration and the lottery system. Is that so unreasonable to let the dreamers in? Other stuff too like no welfare. Again, all reasonable.

The wall isn't reasonable. It's a comically simplistic solution to a complex problem.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,653]

The wall isn't reasonable. It's a comically simplistic solution to a complex problem.

Well, it's part of the solution. And it does work, where it's doable. Most people don't understand security and how it works. It's about funneling the would be border jumpers to other easy to manage and observe places. It also frees up manpower. But someone said it was stupid and a bunch of people with no clue joined in because Trump.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

I have not looked at it in any detail, but I would think that, if the majority party were unable to pass a reasonable compromise, then it may not be reasonable.

 

In the US, you cannot pass major legislation unless you have 60 votes in the Senate or there is some major immediate threat to the nation. And even then, the major legislation is always in the form of a giveaway to voters or else there is backlash. I think the last time a populist movement took something away from society was prohibition and the backlash forced them to repeal it. Unless you are blessed with a strong and wise leader that can pull it off.

[MDC 5,892]

If Trump really cared about US workers he wouldnt hire illegals to do his construction projects, bring in foreigners to do seasonal work at his properties, have his clothing line manufactured in China etc. Youll also notice his solutions dont involve a federal mandate for eVerify or harder penalties for companies who hire illegals.

[Strike 3,979]

If Trump really cared about US workers he wouldnt hire illegals to do his construction projects, bring in foreigners to do seasonal work at his properties, have his clothing line manufactured in China etc. Youll also notice his solutions dont involve a federal mandate for eVerify or harder penalties for companies who hire illegals.

 

Do you have a link to Trump using illegals? I thought the criticism was that he used H-2B visa workers? Those wouldn't be illegals.

[MDC 5,892]

 

Do you have a link to Trump using illegals? I thought the criticism was that he used H-2B visa workers? Those wouldn't be illegals.

Settled a class action lawsuit over hiring illegals:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/nyregion/trump-tower-illegal-immigrant-workers-union-settlement.amp.html

 

Hires foreigners to work at Mar a Lago:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/fabiola-santiago/article214584425.html

 

Trump brand crap manufactured overseas:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna893656

[SenatorRock 708]

I agree with the other side that there is too much division, obsession, and hatred among those who discuss "politics".

 

Fortunately 95% of the people I interact with on a weekly basis dgaf about the stuff discussed here or on CNN.

[Strike 3,979]

Settled a class action lawsuit over hiring illegals:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/nyregion/trump-tower-illegal-immigrant-workers-union-settlement.amp.html

 

Hires foreigners to work at Mar a Lago:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/fabiola-santiago/article214584425.html

 

Trump brand crap manufactured overseas:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna893656

 

LOL