Question for the republicans

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Or conservatives, libertarians, whatever you choose to call yourselves.

 

I am a progressive. Although I don't like to call myself a democrat, because Fock political parties, I pretty much always vote that way.

 

I often find the fiscal policy of the left deplorable. But I always side with them on social issues.

 

This whole trans bathroom sh!t is the shark jumping moment for me. It's just too far. Too stupid.

 

So I ask the right leaners... What was the moment you though "damn, this is too damn far."

 

Just curious.

[hoytdwow 202]

This whole trans bathroom sh!t is the shark jumping moment for me. It's just too far. Too stupid.

 

 

How? In the sense that trans people should be allowed to "identify" as a gender, and become a protected class, or that this is something that requires legislation to combat?

[Mungwater 597]

I don't know where I lie, party wise, but I'm all for if the state votes for it, it's the law. Regardless of how unnecessary and dumb it sounds.

[Djgb13 2,339]

How? In the sense that trans people should be allowed to "identify" as a gender, and become a protected class, or that this is something that requires legislation to combat?

More like you can't change your biology on a cellular level. Therefore you use the XX chromosome bathroom if you don't have the Y chromosome

[Djgb13 2,339]

I don't know where I lie, party wise, but I'm all for if the state votes for it, it's the law. Regardless of how unnecessary and dumb it sounds.

I'm the same. I don't know where I lie party wise. Sometimes the democratic candidate sounds good and sometimes it's the republican. This year they are both turds

[hoytdwow 202]

I don't know where I lie, party wise, but I'm all for if the state votes for it, it's the law. Regardless of how unnecessary and dumb it sounds.

What about when one party rams the law through in 1 hour with no discussion, such that the other party walks out in protest?

[BLS 314]

Or conservatives, libertarians, whatever you choose to call yourselves.

 

I am a progressive. Although I don't like to call myself a democrat, because Fock political parties, I pretty much always vote that way.

 

I often find the fiscal policy of the left deplorable. But I always side with them on social issues.

 

This whole trans bathroom sh!t is the shark jumping moment for me. It's just too far. Too stupid.

 

So I ask the right leaners... What was the moment you though "damn, this is too damn far."

 

Just curious.

 

Assuming I understand your question correctly; when did I realize the 'right' was going too far?

 

For me, it's actually both parties; but for the same reasons.

 

Right complains about gun rights, the right to keep more of your money (less taxation), less government, etc.

The left complains about LGBT rights, a woman's right to choose, the right to earn a livable wage, etc.

 

You'll notice they both stand for "RIGHTS", but it's ONLY the rights they want.

I think both parties are hypocrites.

[Mungwater 597]

What about when one party rams the law through in 1 hour with no discussion, such that the other party walks out in protest?

They both look childish, happens all the time on both sides.

[drobeski 3,061]

Why do the left cry war on women and lgbt yet defend MUSLIMS who treat both horribly ? I say their cries of slight are fake outrage and my point thoroughly proves that.

 

Now where's my trophy ?

[Voltaire 5,387]

I was shaky with the GOP over the Clinton impeachment. I wasn't on board with kicking out of office a guy who was hugely responsible for balancing the budget just because he got a blow job. Then the retarded borrow-and-spend chickenhawk Bushtard came along and I slammed the door on the GOP, going Dem for four straight presidential elections.

 

Nowadays, the Dems are pushing me back the other way big time by embracing their Black Lives Matter cr@p mostly (in both it's cop-bashing and it's campus whining forms) an also the Trannies. Although not terribly opposed, I am just barely tolerating all the recent gay crap. It's too much BS overreach. Meanwhile, I was never on board at any time with their taxpayer-funded lifestyle leech giveaway programs, I just put up with it because the Repugs were so much worse, especially on foreign policy.

 

Unless somebody like Romney/Jeb!/Rubio steals the GOP nomination, my streak of voting Dem for president ends this year. I dislike Hillary's foreign policy which has robbed her of the main rationale I've been using to justify voting for the other Dems all these years.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Why do the left cry war on women and lgbt yet defend MUSLIMS who treat both horribly ? I say their cries of slight are fake outrage and my point thoroughly proves that.

 

Now where's my trophy ?

 

Shocking you couldn't answer what was actually asked and just used it to cry about the left.

Oh...and its not fake outrage.

The left believes in people's rights to their religion (the right only wants that if that religion is what they like..Christianity...while tolerating the Jews). Nobody condones the acts of violence by Islam against LGBT...anymore than condoning how people treat them here in this country.

 

But don't let facts get in the way of your ranting.

 

For me...having no real party.

Dems...I agree some of the things they pander too are getting out of hand. While it seems like a slippery slope argument, it almost is getting to the point they are finding the next thing that we need to cater to because people are different. Is it progressive...is it where we should be? Im not quite sure yet on some of these issues. I think most can agree we can compromise somewhere. Where people are not discriminated against because they are different. I think we will get to the point where people finally can agree its not just some choice people are making, but how their brains are wired. But we definitely are not to that point yet. In addition, fiscally, they push too far for me ever to just call myself a democrat.

 

Reps...fiscally, they talk a good game, until they have the power. And then they spend us into debt just like they complain the left does. Id like them to actually follow up on fiscal responsibility. And socially, they are just so far behind. Pushing for reasons to discriminate...pushing for the Bible being the "state book". Wasting time with stuff like this is ridiculous.

 

Both sides...are nuts on guns and abortion. There is a happy medium to both. There has to be more sensible gun laws. We have to make it harder for criminals and mentally insane to get weapons and do real damage. Abortion sucks...it does. That people end up in a situation where aborting a child is an option is a sad sad thing. But its not something that will go away. If there was a true was to legislate banning "abortions of convenience" Id be all for it. In the end, they need to be safe and regulated and available for those who really need them. It sucks that there will be those who abuse it...those who are not responsible...

[TimmySmith 2,783]

We are no longer a Capitalist society and it is mostly the fault of the Republicans. They are too caught up in pleasing the religious wackos.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I'm seeing some stuff attributed to democrats here that may not be fair. Haven't heard anything about trans bathroom stuff other than this thing in North Carolina which was actually brought about by republicans. Also, Black Lives Matter? Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't pretty much every major democrat clashed with these people at some point? On the campaign trail it was Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Martin O'Malley etc. basically saying "ALL lives matter"

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I'm seeing some stuff attributed to democrats here that may not be fair. Haven't heard anything about trans bathroom stuff other than this thing in North Carolina which was actually brought about by republicans. Also, Black Lives Matter? Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't pretty much every major democrat clashed with these people at some point? On the campaign trail it was Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Martin O'Malley etc. basically saying "ALL lives matter"

Several other states have picked up the bathroom thing, including mine.

 

And the stream of outrage from the left is insane. You'd think they were trying to bring back lynch mobs and Jim Crowe based on my Facebook feed. (You have to keep in mind I only experience American news via the outrage. Here and Facebook mostly, so forgive me if I have it a bit Warped.)

 

It seems like the left has created an outrage machine that was legitimate. But has run out of legitimate things to be outraged about.

 

Same with the right and the "war on Christianity" nonsense with the bakers and whatnot.

 

Just seems bottom line, out country is bordering on shambles, and here we are arguing over who p!sses where and whether you have to make a cake for a ghey wedding.

 

Divide and rule I guess.

[DankNuggs 305]

Riggt wing social platforms are awful and it's why their economic message gets blurred and distorted and doesn't have the impact it could and should have.

 

Freedom to succeed is a scary concept because has a look of being unsupportive. When you have a social platform that is discriminatory and biased to religion it reinforces that unsupportive look and makes it appear punitive, when the reality is that it is the basis to achieve personal dreams

[crackattack 520]

The religious loons. Wanting to be able to legally discriminate. Wanting to prevent equality for all because of religious ideology IE gay marriage. Defunding planned parenthood. They have become the anti-all men/women are created equal party.

[jerryskids 6,954]

What about when one party rams the law through in 1 hour with no discussion, such that the other party walks out in protest?

Obamacare?

[peenie 1,944]

With reagan and his focus on blacks being welfare queens, drug addicts and murderers.

He seemed racist and a liar with a smiling face.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Several other states have picked up the bathroom thing, including mine.

 

And the stream of outrage from the left is insane. You'd think they were trying to bring back lynch mobs and Jim Crowe based on my Facebook feed. (You have to keep in mind I only experience American news via the outrage. Here and Facebook mostly, so forgive me if I have it a bit Warped.)

 

It seems like the left has created an outrage machine that was legitimate. But has run out of legitimate things to be outraged about.

 

Same with the right and the "war on Christianity" nonsense with the bakers and whatnot.

 

Just seems bottom line, out country is bordering on shambles, and here we are arguing over who p!sses where and whether you have to make a cake for a ghey wedding.

 

Divide and rule I guess.

I think the bolded is your problem. I have honestly heard very little about this other than the stories posted here and a few blurbs on the national news. It's been blown way out of proportion. And again what started this is "small government" republicans passing silly laws to make this an issue - it's not like the left brought it up

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Riggt wing social platforms are awful and it's why their economic message gets blurred and distorted and doesn't have the impact it could and should have.

 

Freedom to succeed is a scary concept because has a look of being unsupportive. When you have a social platform that is discriminatory and biased to religion it reinforces that unsupportive look and makes it appear punitive, when the reality is that it is the basis to achieve personal dreams

This is a good point

[BunnysBastatrds 2,534]

When I got my Bush stimulus check and then had to pay it back the following year.

[MDC 7,647]

As a registered Republican, the point for me was when the party lost its brain after Obummer came into office. Here we were, fresh off of two terms of a Republican president who let terrorists blow up 3,000 civilians, lied us into a war of choice and signed off on warrantless wiretapping and the kidnapping and torture of US citizens ... and we're calling the next guy a Muslim terrorist who's going to change the fabric of our nation?

 

Even as a registered Republican I realized this was nonsense and maybe my party should have had some humility after destroying the nation for a decade.

[KSB2424 3,148]

It seems like the left has created an outrage machine that was once legitimate. But has run out of legitimate things to be outraged about.

 

 

 

B I N G O and Bingo was his name Oh.

 

Where to pee is the now the equivalent and on par to lynching.

 

That HB2 says that PRIVATE businesses can provide gender specific or gender neutral bathrooms, whichever they choose. Only that the gov't (cities within the sate) is not going to mandate it one way or the other in the private sector. Nothing at all weird or wrong about that.

 

All the unintended or poorly thought out 'holes' about not being able to sue in State court, minimum wage, etc are either fixed or being fixed in that law.

 

It's fake outrage to the Nth degree. A snowball of hyperbole and fake outrage. And people eat it up with a spoon.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

B I N G O and Bingo was his name Oh.

 

Where to pee is the now the equivalent and on par to lynching.

 

That HB2 says that PRIVATE businesses can provide gender specific or gender neutral bathrooms, whichever they choose. Only that the gov't (cities within the sate) is not going to mandate it one way or the other in the private sector. Nothing at all weird or wrong about that.

 

All the unintended or poorly thought out 'holes' about not being able to sue in State court, minimum wage, etc are either fixed or being fixed in that law.

 

It's fake outrage to the Nth degree. A snowball of hyperbole and fake outrage. And people eat it up with a spoon.

 

If all of these things were needing to be fixed...how was it fake outrage?

You seem to eat up the reverse with a spoon...falling for every talking point supporting that law and ignoring all the crap that was in it.

[KSB2424 3,148]

it's not like the left brought it up

 

See this is what people don't understand or are misinformed about because the national media has, like they always do, do a poor job and only pander to the bright lights of a story that will get attention.

 

The City of Charlotte, after getting a liberal majority, passed a city wide ordinance that mandated how PRIVATE businesses provide bathroom-shower-locker rooms to those of Transgender.

 

HB2 was in response to that ordinance. The Charlotte ordinance was not needed, people just peed where they wanted to pee and nobody thought the wiser unless there was an isssue or a complaint. Now the state had to say, fock, now we have this bathroom ordance in our largest city so this is now a "thing".

 

HB2 didn't just magically come about out of the blue, it was in response and because of a City law that was over-reaching in the PRIVATE sector telling business how to run their freaking restrooms and showers.

[KSB2424 3,148]

 

If all of these things were needing to be fixed...how was it fake outrage?

 

 

Because Pear Jam and Pay Pal and all the protesters aren't protesting against those few holes like the "can't sue in state court" which was almost immediately said was going to be reversed by the Governor. Those other things were tertiary and red herrings.

 

It's about the restrooms and showers.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,534]

 

B I N G O and Bingo was his name Oh.

 

Where to pee is the now the equivalent and on par to lynching.

 

That HB2 says that PRIVATE businesses can provide gender specific or gender neutral bathrooms, whichever they choose. Only that the gov't (cities within the sate) is not going to mandate it one way or the other in the private sector. Nothing at all weird or wrong about that.

 

All the unintended or poorly thought out 'holes' about not being able to sue in State court, minimum wage, etc are either fixed or being fixed in that law.

 

It's fake outrage to the Nth degree. A snowball of hyperbole and fake outrage. And people eat it up with a spoon.

 

 

as long as it makes the right look bad and generates votes, it's good.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Because Pear Jam and Pay Pal and all the protesters aren't protesting against those few holes like the "can't sue in state court" which was almost immediately said was going to be reversed by the Governor. Those other things were tertiary and red herrings.

 

It's about the restrooms and showers.

 

Again...there was more to the bill than how you continue to portray it.

[posty 2,779]

If I owned a place that needed a restroom, I would just create one with three urinals and three stalls... No lock on the outside door and it is for both...

[hoytdwow 202]

Obamacare?

It never fails

 

"Guys, let's talk about this issue that is a current event right now."

 

"BBbBbbbbut, OBUMMER!!!!!#$@#!"

 

[IGotWorms 4,060]

 

See this is what people don't understand or are misinformed about because the national media has, like they always do, do a poor job and only pander to the bright lights of a story that will get attention.

 

The City of Charlotte, after getting a liberal majority, passed a city wide ordinance that mandated how PRIVATE businesses provide bathroom-shower-locker rooms to those of Transgender.

 

HB2 was in response to that ordinance. The Charlotte ordinance was not needed, people just peed where they wanted to pee and nobody thought the wiser unless there was an isssue or a complaint. Now the state had to say, fock, now we have this bathroom ordance in our largest city so this is now a "thing".

 

HB2 didn't just magically come about out of the blue, it was in response and because of a City law that was over-reaching in the PRIVATE sector telling business how to run their freaking restrooms and showers.

So the conservative "small government" republicans didn't like a city deciding how to run itself? They NEEDED to pass that law?? Of course not, it was pandering and sticking your nose where it isn't needed

[giraldi02 476]

I've always been a registered NPP. I support women's right to choose. I am pro gun. I love the death penalty. I believe in universal health care.

I hate political parties and have since the first day I registered to vote.

And to be honest, if they didn't exist, I don't think anyone but Sanders or Trump would even be left in the race right now.

The majority of Americans are unhappy with the government. A vote for Cruz, Rubio, Clinton, Jeb, etc didn't mean that they accepted it. I think it goes more to the fact that too many people are dyed in the wool. They'll only vote along their political party's lines, and they'll only support the candidate that the establishment (DNC and GOP) tell them too.

Unfortunately for those that think they're making a difference this year, they're not in the long run. If Hillary gets into the White House, it'll be 8 years until these Sanders supporters vote again to replace her. By that time, the new car smell of a "political revolution" will be long gone. Look no further than Barack Obama's campaign in 2008. What did he rely heavily on? One word political slogan, "Change".

Bernie Sanders says the same thing, only more aggressively for what he wants to change. He's labeled as a communist, socialist, irrelevant, and has unattainable goals. Trump wants change, he's a bigot, racist, and despite his early lead in the delegates, the GOP found every possible way to back any other candidate. Both of these guys are preaching "change" without the Andy Warhol style picture and people turn their back on them because "they're not REAL democrats/republicans"

If you go to vote, and don't vote for the candidate best suited to YOUR needs, you're doing it wrong. Or...by these two parties' mantras, you're doing it right.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,693]

So the conservative "small government" republicans didn't like a city deciding how to run itself? They NEEDED to pass that law?? Of course not, it was pandering and sticking your nose where it isn't needed

The federal govt does it all the time.

[hoytdwow 202]

 

See this is what people don't understand or are misinformed about because the national media has, like they always do, do a poor job and only pander to the bright lights of a story that will get attention.

 

The City of Charlotte, after getting a liberal majority, passed a city wide ordinance that mandated how PRIVATE businesses provide bathroom-shower-locker rooms to those of Transgender.

 

HB2 was in response to that ordinance. The Charlotte ordinance was not needed, people just peed where they wanted to pee and nobody thought the wiser unless there was an isssue or a complaint. Now the state had to say, fock, now we have this bathroom ordance in our largest city so this is now a "thing".

 

HB2 didn't just magically come about out of the blue, it was in response and because of a City law that was over-reaching in the PRIVATE sector telling business how to run their freaking restrooms and showers.

So local control is a bad thing now?

Also care to chime in on how bans on minimum wage hikes and mandatory sick leave (which HB2 includes) is related to this issue?

 

I won't hold my breath, as you've consistently ignored all three points in every thread about this.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

So the conservative "small government" republicans didn't like a city deciding how to run itself? They NEEDED to pass that law?? Of course not, it was pandering and sticking your nose where it isn't needed

The city really NEEDED to pass bathroom mandates to serve .01% of the population.

[Mungwater 597]

So local control is a bad thing now?

Also care to chime in on how bans on minimum wage hikes and mandatory sick leave (which HB2 includes) is related to this issue?

 

I won't hold my breath, as you've consistently ignored all three points in every thread about this.

They did it all the time, I remember once they put a gay marriage bill in and one of the riders was port security.

 

If there is a bill that they know that'll pass, both sides attach stuff to it that has nothing to do with the main bill.

[KSB2424 3,148]

So local control is a bad thing now?

Also care to chime in on how bans on minimum wage hikes and mandatory sick leave (which HB2 includes) is related to this issue?

 

I won't hold my breath, as you've consistently ignored all three points in every thread about this.

 

I've spoken about there were holes in the legislation, it was done quickly as the Charlotte ordinace was to go into effect April 1st. So there were issues, no doubt.

 

But the minimum wage things is a tertiary topic that is just a red herring. There are federal and state minimum wage laws in this state just like all across the country. The Governor has said he is willing to talk about that part and have that discussion. But people bringing that up are reaching as it is not what people are are protesting about and is a local versus sate level minimum wage discussion, not about transgenders.

 

Red Herring. I fyou want to talk about if localities should have separate minumum wages than the states then lets start a different thread.

[hoytdwow 202]

 

I've spoken about there were holes in the legislation, it was done quickly as the Charlotte ordinace was to go into effect April 1st. So there were issues, no doubt.

 

But the minimum wage things is a tertiary topic that is just a red herring. There are federal and state minimum wage laws in this state just like all across the country. The Governor has said he is willing to talk about that part and have that discussion. But people bringing that up are reaching as it is not what people are are protesting about and is a local versus sate level minimum wage discussion, not about transgenders.

 

Red Herring.

It's not a "red herring." The republicans included it in this bill, along with prohibitions on mandatory sick leave. Why?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,693]

It's not a "red herring." The republicans included it in this bill, along with prohibitions on mandatory sick leave. Why?

To distract people. That doesn't make this bathroom shite right.

[KSB2424 3,148]

It's not a "red herring." The republicans included it in this bill, along with prohibitions on mandatory sick leave. Why?

 

Sure it is.

 

Because the way the state gov't got rid of the Charlotte bathroom ordinance was they created the HB2 law that stipulated that localities cannot supersede sate law in this way and minimum wage, by how the language of the bill was done, fell in that category.

 

And guess what Hoyt. No locality in the whole state of NC has a different minimum wage than the state number. So nothing changed in my state. Again, NOTHING CHANGED. In fact there are only a handful of cities that have different minimum wages than the state wage in the whole country. In other words........Holy fake outrage.

 

In fact many states already have a law that prohibits cities from having different minimum wages than the state wage. Including New York.

 

And nobody is protesting based on this issue. The protests are about Transgenders.