After exhaustive research, "Gay is not genetic"

[KSB2424 3,148]

So at issue for you isn't giving them the same rights as a married couple, just calling it MARRIAGE. That's it, that when they fill out the form at the courthouse, they won't accept checking the civil union box, but want to check the marriage box.

 

Damn them for not accepting a seperate but equal resolution.

I check a caucaison box

I check a married box

I check a 27-35 years old box

I check all kinds of boxes different than other people.

 

News flash. People are different. As longs as everyone gets treated the same in regards to the "law" then shut the fock up. TIA

 

ETA: Look, I haven't been to church in years. I'm not a religious person. However "Marraige" between a man and a woman based on aincent rituals that was recognized by the governement. There is no need to change that. Ghey's can create their own "history" by making up a name for their civil union. Call it Gayrraige or something...Whatever.

[NewbieJr 541]

At my place of employment a ghey person can have his SO on their plan. There is single coverage, signifcant other coverage, and Family coverage.

 

And I do think a ghey 'couple' should be given the same tax breaks, health benefits, and/or estate planning like married couples. But that is not what drives this. If it was, this issue would have been handled long ago with a civil union type resolution. The gheys will not accept that and want it to be MARRAIGE. It's an attention thing. It has nothing to do with being equal in terms of the gov't for the monetary/public record issues, it's about them waving their rainbow sticker outside their car window and saying look at me; I'm here and I'm Queer!@#!

I don't know this for a fact, but I doubt your company's policy on health insurance is the norm. That opens up a huge gray area. What if a guy (or girl) has a smae sex roomate, but both are straight. What['s to stop him from checking the significant other box to get him on the insurance?

 

And like I said, who cares if it's an attention thing? Let them be happy. They aren't bothering anyone,.

[kutulu 1,680]

So if it's not genetic, what is it?

[phillybear 366]

Yet you post this brochure as FACT----irony...

 

Go ahead and shoot a load on the messenger.

 

Facts is facts, no matter what package it comes in. Some people might think you are a racist.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

At my place of employment a ghey person can have his SO on their plan. There is single coverage, signifcant other coverage, and Family coverage.

 

And I do think a ghey 'couple' should be given the same tax breaks, health benefits, and/or estate planning like married couples. But that is not what drives this. If it was, this issue would have been handled long ago with a civil union type resolution. The gheys will not accept that and want it to be MARRAIGE. It's an attention thing. It has nothing to do with being equal in terms of the gov't for the monetary/public record issues, it's about them waving their rainbow sticker outside their car window and saying look at me; I'm here and I'm Queer!@#!

 

I think the government should stay out of "marriage" and simply issue "certificates of union" to everyone, gays and straights. Then "marriage" with all its sanctity and whatnot, can be left to the churches to decide, and all the legal rights involved are equal.

[phillybear 366]

 

Yet I doubt we'll hear any lame 'beep beeps from the fay yul dozer' about it.

 

Oh, please. Just go ahead and stand there. "It's Ka-Ka-Ka-Ken. And he's coming to ki-ki-ki-ki-ki-kill ma-ma-ma-m-me."

 

And then you get run over.

[Snoopy1 0]

I check a caucaison box

I check a married box

I check a 27-35 years old box

I check all kinds of boxes different than other people.

 

News flash. People are different. As longs as everyone gets treated the same in regards to the "law" then shut the fock up. TIA

 

ETA: Look, I haven't been to church in years. I'm not a religious person. However "Marraige" between a man and a woman based on aincent rituals that was recognized by the governement. There is no need to change that. Ghey's can create their own "history" by making up a name for their civil union. Call it Gayrraige or something...Whatever.

 

 

But they are not getting treated the same in regards to the law. So I guess I don't have to shut the fock up...sorry, Mr. Crow.

[NewbieJr 541]

Oh, please. Just go ahead and stand there. "It's Ka-Ka-Ka-Ken. And he's coming to ki-ki-ki-ki-ki-kill ma-ma-ma-m-me."

 

And then you get run over.

Still waiting to see proof of a heterosexual gene.

 

 

What's that sound? here it comes.........

[Snoopy1 0]

I think the government should stay out of "marriage" and simply issue "certificates of union" to everyone, gays and straights. Then "marriage" with all its sanctity and whatnot, can be left to the churches to decide, and all the legal rights involved are equal.

 

+1

 

The "marriage" debate is drummed up hysteria fed to the ignorant. If there allowed to marry, they could be in our church, our lives, them fags will be making out behind the vestibule!!!!...buncha crap.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I think the government should stay out of "marriage" and simply issue "certificates of union" to everyone, gays and straights. Then "marriage" with all its sanctity and whatnot, can be left to the churches to decide, and all the legal rights involved are equal.

That works for me too. A straight couple can get married just as normal, but instead of going downtown to pick up a marriage certificate it is a certificate of union. Then the gheys can go down town to the courthouse and make out with each other and get the same certificate that is recognized with the same rights under the law.

 

Sure, whatever we can do to stop showing clips of all this mo's kissing and whatnot on the news every night.

 

But you know what, I doubt the gheys would go for that. Like I said this is really not about the whole union crap. They want it to be called MARRIAGE. If it was just the civil union something this would have been resolved already.

[Frank M 181]

"We don't know" is a way different conclusion than "Gay is genetic" which is what every swinging d!ck in this nation has been babbling for years. The FACT is that is not true. And until someone proves gay is genetic, you can't assume it.

 

I don't give a sh!t what fetish a person might have. But I analyze data for a living. I have never, never, never seen a shred of legitimate data supporting "you are born gay".

 

Being gay cannot be proven to be genetic. Therefore, being gay cannot be refered to as being genetic. So, if you can't call it genetic, logically you have to say being gay is not genetic. Ergo, Gay Is Not Genetic.

 

FACE.

 

First. let me say that I'm a scientist and I have not read any studies about the genetics of h0mosexuality, so I can't say whether or not it's genetic. Secondly, it's obvious that philly knows nothing about genetics. Third, this fishing expedition sucks.

 

There are a lot of suspected genes that are thought to cause a lot of things. Just because they haven't been described yet doesn't mean they don't exist. Genetics is not black and white, like people think. You may have a gene for a certain type of cancer, but until some environmental factor comes into play to activate that gene, you won't get the cancer. Some genes are low penetrance, meaning that only a certain proportion of people with said gene will express the phenotype. Sorry, but your ability to analyze data doesn't make you a geneticist.

 

Is it genetic? There's not enough eveidence at this point, but saying it can't be proven is stupid, even for phillybear.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

But you know what, I doubt the gheys would go for that. Like I said this is really not about the whole union crap. They want it to be called MARRIAGE. If it was just the civil union something this would have been resolved already.

 

Well I'm on board with making the system equal. If such a system were offered to them, and they turned it down because of the name, then fock them, they can go to hell.

 

But I can see why they don't want a separate "ghey union" that is different than regular "union." It is insulting, and legally classifies them as different.

 

Make the system equal, take the word "marriage" out of the law completely. Problem solved.

[phillybear 366]

Still waiting to see proof of a heterosexual gene.

 

You just don't get it.

 

The burden of proof was on the ones with the gay is genetic theory. Now, since they can't prove it, they are wrong. Period.

 

FACE.

[edjr 6,607]

[Diceman] either you duck d!ck, or do you not suck d!ck [/Diceman]

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

That works for me too. A straight couple can get married just as normal, but instead of going downtown to pick up a marriage certificate it is a certificate of union. Then the gheys can go down town to the courthouse and make out with each other and get the same certificate that is recognized with the same rights under the law.

 

Sure, whatever we can do to stop showing clips of all this mo's kissing and whatnot on the news every night.

 

But you know what, I doubt the gheys would go for that. Like I said this is really not about the whole union crap. They want it to be called MARRIAGE. If it was just the civil union something this would have been resolved already.

 

I think that, if you look at what the gays are asking for, they just want to be treated the same under the law. I don't think that they really care if you call it marriage, civil union, or Bob. The religious right is the one that is hung up on the term "marriage" because they don't want to have it be allowed regardless of name and it is really their only argument.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

You just don't get it.

 

The burden of proof was on the ones with the gay is genetic theory. Now, since they can't prove it, they are wrong. Period.

 

FACE.

 

If only the fundies would accept that logic when it comes to Jeebus.

[phillybear 366]

Third, this fishing expedition sucks.

 

Sorry, but your ability to analyze data doesn't make you a geneticist.

 

Is it genetic? There's not enough eveidence at this point, but saying it can't be proven is stupid, even for phillybear.

 

Why do you think I'm fishing?

 

My ability to analyze data is very appropriate in this situation, since there is no data to analyze. Therefore, I conclude that people walking around saying you are born gay are expressing their faith in their belief, with zero proof behind it. Can it be proven? Who cares. Right now, it is inappropriate to state "you are born gay" as a fact.

[surferskin 30]

If only the fundies would accept that logic when it comes to Jeebus.

What logic would that be?

[NewbieJr 541]

You just don't get it.

 

The burden of proof was on the ones with the gay is genetic theory. Now, since they can't prove it, they are wrong. Period.

 

FACE.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

What logic would that be?

 

That the burden of proof is on the person advancing the supposition, and that if they can't prove it, they are wrong.

[phillybear 366]

If only the fundies would accept that logic when it comes to Jeebus.

 

What about the morons that believe in the Big Bang? And where did the matter come from before the explosion?

[surferskin 30]

That the burden of proof is on the person advancing the supposition, and that if they can't prove it, they are wrong.

Still not sure how/why you're trying to relate that to Christians.

[jgcrawfish 232]

You know how I know you're gay? You know who John Tesh is.

 

And.....the thread is back on topic.

 

You know how I know you're gay...the smell of Onions on your chin.

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

Still not sure how/why you're trying to relate that to Christians.

It's called a strawman arguement. Titans was doing just fine, but couldn't help himself by changing the subject to somehow try and prove a point and throw a jab.

[Frank M 181]

Why do you think I'm fishing?

 

My ability to analyze data is very appropriate in this situation, since there is no data to analyze. Therefore, I conclude that people walking around saying you are born gay are expressing their faith in their belief, with zero proof behind it. Can it be proven? Who cares. Right now, it is inappropriate to state "you are born gay" as a fact.

 

So, first it's "it cannot be proven" to "who cares" if it can be proven.

 

I love your arguing skills, failybear.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

It's called a strawman arguement. Titans was doing just fine, but couldn't help himself by changing the subject to somehow try and prove a point and throw a jab.

 

No, its called calling out hypocrites.

 

You don't see a problem with a group saying "since you are the one saying ghey is genetic, you must prove it, or you are wrong" and then turning around and saying "the best way to get over your gheyness is to have a relationship with our god and his son, for which you must have faith, in spite of a complete lack of supporting evidence."

 

See the point I'm making there?

 

But yeah, KSB is right, I just basically can't help but to take a swipe at Christianity anytime I get the chance. Its just how I roll.

[KSB2424 3,148]

You don't see a problem with a group saying "since you are the one saying ghey is genetic, you must prove it, or you are wrong" and then turning around and saying "the best way to get over your gheyness is to have a relationship with our god and his son, for which you must have faith, in spite of a complete lack of supporting evidence."

Phillybear said that quote. Could you please let me know who this "group" is that said that quote about gheys and genetics and proving it or you are wrong? TIA

[phillybear 366]

So, first it's "it cannot be proven" to "who cares" if it can be proven.

 

I love your arguing skills, failybear.

 

I am wise in many ways, young grasshoppa.

 

It has not been proven. The APA has concluded it cannot be proven. What more do you want?

 

So, I declare a cease and desist to all people from using the disingenuous statement "born gay". It's the bullsh!t that bothers. People make up stories, get proven wrong, and nothing has changed. Why aren't we hearing more about this story. It's a conspiracy, man.

[MedStudent 56]

IMO, you can be born with gay tendancies or you can develop them. I have seen both.

 

I have one cousin who is gay. He came from a family with 2 other brothers and a sister. One of the other brothers was a division 1 football player. All of the kids married and had families. He also married and had a hot wife. Eventually got divorced. Growing up we always thought he was kind of fairy. He always seemed a bit effeminate. Nothing in his upbringing would have made him this way. Its just the way he was. so that is a case where i would seem like he was born gay.

 

I had a neighbor with two boys in the family. The mother was domineering and i think she must have wanted a daughter. She had them take ballet lessons (how stereotypical but I am not making this up) and they did not play the normal boy sports. They always seemed kind of queer but i really think their upbringing had something to do with it. I found out that both of these kids ended up being gay. Two gay boys in one family leads me to think that their momma really made them that way.

 

I don't care one way or another how someone became gay. They don't bother me either way.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Phillybear said that quote. Could you please let me know who this "group" is that said that quote about gheys and genetics and proving it or you are wrong? TIA

 

Did he? My bad. I thought he was quoting the APA article. I was kind of skimming the thread.

 

 

Nevah mind.

[Frank M 181]

I am wise in many ways, young grasshoppa.

 

It has not been proven. The APA has concluded it cannot be proven. What more do you want?

 

 

Really? Where did they say this? I found nothing on their website that said this, so please enlighten me, oh great analyzer of data.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Do you love your wife/child/mother? Prove it!@#!

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Do you love your wife/child/mother? Prove it!@#!

 

I'd say the fact that my wife is still around and has no black eyes is adequate proof of that.

[Snoopy1 0]

Do you love your wife/child/mother? Prove it!@#!

 

 

It's called a strawman arguement. Titans was doing just fine, but couldn't help himself by changing the subject to somehow try and prove a point and throw a jab.

 

[wiffleball 4,790]

"People need to understand that the 'gay gene' theory has been one of the biggest propaganda boons of the homosexual movement over the last 10 [or] 15 years," he points out. "Studies show that if people think that people are born homosexual they're much less likely to resist the gay agenda."

 

Matt Barber with Liberty Counsel feels the pronouncement may have something to do with saving face. "Well, I think here the American Psychological Association is finally trying to restore some credibility that they've lost over the years by having become a clearly political organization as opposed to an objective, scientific organization," he states. (Hear audio report)

 

With the new information from the APA, Barber wonders if the organization will admit that homosexuals who want to change can change.

 

"It's irrefutable from a medical standpoint that people can leave the homosexual lifestyle," he argues. "Homosexuality is defined by behavior. Untold thousands of people have found freedom from that lifestyle through either reparative therapy or through -- frankly, most effectively -- a relationship with Jesus Christ."

 

LaBarbera agrees. "Change through Christ is possible -- and it's one of the most heartwarming aspects of the whole gay debate," he shares. "Many men and women have come out of homosexuality, mostly through a relationship with Jesus Christ. The fact that these professional organizations will not study that, will not acknowledge that, shows how 'in the tank' they are for the homosexual movement."

 

LaBarbera stresses that even though elites will not recognize the change, that does not mean the change does not exist. In fact, both Barber and LaBarbera believe that God changes people through Christ -- regardless of the sin.[/i]

 

This is funny. He starts off talking about "an objective, scientific organization," - Then launches into the 'cure' being a relationship with a myth.

 

 

"There is no proof that there is a specific depression gene. Now, if you'll just rub the leprachaun's tummy, we can cure you."

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

This is funny. He starts off talking about "an objective, scientific organization," - Then launches into the 'cure' being a relationship with a myth.

"There is no proof that there is a specific depression gene. Now, if you'll just rub the leprachaun's tummy, we can cure you."

 

See, that's the exact point I was making, but I got shouted down.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I'm not making an arguement. Actually the proof/love thingy hurts Philly's premise. Just trying to contribute.

[jerryskids 6,825]

IMO, you can be born with gay tendancies or you can develop them. I have seen both.

 

I have one cousin who is gay. He came from a family with 2 other brothers and a sister. One of the other brothers was a division 1 football player. All of the kids married and had families. He also married and had a hot wife. Eventually got divorced. Growing up we always thought he was kind of fairy. He always seemed a bit effeminate. Nothing in his upbringing would have made him this way. Its just the way he was. so that is a case where i would seem like he was born gay.

 

I had a neighbor with two boys in the family. The mother was domineering and i think she must have wanted a daughter. She had them take ballet lessons (how stereotypical but I am not making this up) and they did not play the normal boy sports. They always seemed kind of queer but i really think their upbringing had something to do with it. I found out that both of these kids ended up being gay. Two gay boys in one family leads me to think that their momma really made them that way.

 

I don't care one way or another how someone became gay. They don't bother me either way.

Sometimes it is hard to tell though, chickenandeggwerds. There is a boy in my son's class (going into 8th grade) who my wife and I both think is going to be packing fudge as an adult, he's always been effeminate. But, his mom is always with him, and his dad is a bit effeminate, so was he born that way, or is it the cumulative effect of his environment?

 

Then there is this boy in my daughter's dance class, I'd guess 16, he is the most flaming caricature of ghey I've evah seen. I wonder if any amount of environmental influence can make someone that ghey.

[parrot 789]

The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" -- meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are born that way.

 

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles...."

 

I'm still looking for the alleged admission in the above statement. Maybe you could point it out Phillybear. I'm sure you've found it as you're such a hater of all things bullsh!t and all. TIA.

[phillybear 366]

oh great analyzer of data

 

Thank you for the moniker. I like it.