***Official LOST Season 6 thread***

[kutulu 1,680]

Wait, so Lackman = Phillybear?

 

also, where are these lost wrap ups?

 

Yes, I mentioned that yesterday.

 

LINKY

[Voltaire 5,317]

So how did the ship get airborne and knock the statue over. Also if the ship flew out of the water and smashed the statue, wouldn't the debris fall backwards onto the island? Where's the rest of the statue?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

So how did the ship get airborne and knock the statue over. Also if the ship flew out of the water and smashed the statue, wouldn't the debris fall backwards onto the island? Where's the rest of the statue?

 

 

It was raised on a huge wave. Also it looks like it hit in the knee/shin area, which if it hit with enough force it would mean the body toppled into the ocean, probably swept away or buried. Also there was debris on the beach

[supermike80 1,925]

Are Jacob and MIB Brothers? Don't know what relevance it has, but I think back to Locke's comment about having a crazy Mother. Maybe Mom, in some way, put these two in this situation.

Just a random thought..I need a new one since my theory that Richard was WAYYY older was shot to sheet last night.

 

 

Damn excellent episode though!!!

[kutulu 1,680]

Finally gonna get an answer about that glass eyeball found at the Arrow Station.

 

Maybe that Bible that was found in the same box as the eyeball was Richards.

[jvirne 0]

Are Jacob and MIB Brothers?

 

No. I wouldn't be surprised if MIB is older than Jacob, and that Jacob wasn't the first "warden" of the island. He's just the most active.

[kutulu 1,680]

Did ya notice that blue butterfly flying around the Black Rock ship?

 

 

 

 

The album artwork features Rabbit Jack, am emblem associated with Geronimo Jackson. Rabbit Jack, a disembodied skull, is shown in front of an image of outer space. The area of outer space is shown through a hole in a wood foreground. The Rabbit Jack wears a top hat that is reminiscent of a magician's hat, wrapped with a tie-dyed hatband. The hatband carries the Native American symbol of a butterfly, which represents "everlasting life", much like the ankh hieroglyph. Rabbit ears extend upwards from the brim of the hat. Lotus blossoms appear in the rabbit's eyes, and there are orchids in the vegetation surrounding the hole through the foreground. Two bright stars and what looks like a galaxy are visible to the right of the Rabbit Jack. The band's name is written in transparency over an american flag.

[RicemanX 20]

I know they won't solve everything.

But explaining how everyone's lives are connected would help us put a lot of puzzle pieces together ourselves.

[IAMWood 6]

Island = Eden

 

Jacob = Cain

MIB = Abel

 

or vice versa

 

crazy mother = Eve

 

apple = pineapple

 

Whatever. Been waiting for a thrilling show all season.

 

[OakHeadFootball 1]

Just finally got to watch it.

 

Amazing how the first episode that is not a "flash sideways" is by far the best episode of the season. I dig Jacob. His is moving up the list of my favorite characters.

 

Random week 9 thoughts.

 

I wonder if we will get some more back story on Ilana. She seemingly healed pretty quick. Did Jacob give her a gift for helping him also?

 

How did the Black Rock book get off the Island?

 

We need some clarification on the rules. Ben killed Jacob with some random knife after Jacob spoke to him but Richard had to use the special knife and stab him before he spoke like Sayid was told to do.

 

No one ever noticed this stone bench under this huge tree before? Well I guess if they never noticed the lighthouse.

 

Kinda starting to question why smokie kills so many people. They are all potential allies for him but I guess that wouldn't make for much of a bad guy if he didn't kill people.

 

I just read Darlton confirmed in the latest Podcast that the Black Rock was the ship that appeared in the opening scene of The Incident.

[jvirne 0]

I just read Dalton confirmed in the latest Podcast that the Black Rock was the ship that appeared in the opening scene of The Incident.

 

Wat?

 

Hmmm...maybe Smokey is the one who caused the storm, not Jacob.

[itsbigmoni 1]

After 6 years of questions and confusion all it took was a focking wine bottle to explain a bunch of sh1t.

 

I know i know, lots of other questions, but a focking wine bottle is all it took.

[edjr 6,607]

After 6 years of questions and confusion all it took was a focking wine bottle to explain a bunch of sh1t.

 

I know i know, lots of other questions, but a focking wine bottle is all it took.

 

X

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think it has been mentioned here too...but IMO Widmore and MIB are working together, not against each other.

 

Eloise was a part of it too. They had to get Jack and Co back to the island...Locke's body for MIB this time. Needed to get Ben back there to do his job and kill Jacob.

 

Also...back when Ben called the Smoke Monster out to deal with Widmore's mercenaries...smokey did not kill them...just drug them away and they fell back...but did he do this on purpose...have them fall back so Ben could escape and so on?

[King of Gondor 0]

I just read Darlton confirmed in the latest Podcast that the Black Rock was the ship that appeared in the opening scene of The Incident.

 

 

Wat?

 

Hmmm...maybe Smokey is the one who caused the storm, not Jacob.

 

It's been said that Jacob brought the Black Rock to the island, to be fair it's feasible without loops... weak... but feasible. Technicaly it seemed to be the first the *slaves* saw the land. It's possible the ship could have been sailing around, near the island, for a while. There was no reason for the Black Rock to stop there - maybe Jacob kept it 'stuck in the snowglobe' for the rest of the day until a storm came up and forced the ship onto the island?

[OakHeadFootball 1]

I think it has been mentioned here too...but IMO Widmore and MIB are working together, not against each other.

 

Eloise was a part of it too. They had to get Jack and Co back to the island...Locke's body for MIB this time. Needed to get Ben back there to do his job and kill Jacob.

 

Also...back when Ben called the Smoke Monster out to deal with Widmore's mercenaries...smokey did not kill them...just drug them away and they fell back...but did he do this on purpose...have them fall back so Ben could escape and so on?

 

Widmore probably wouldn't need the pylons that his crew was setting up if he was working with Smokey. What would be the sense of trying to fool Sawyer to go back and have him lead Smokey to the Hydra island where Widmore and the sub are?

 

I think Eloise was trying to get them back because she knew that one of the losties was a potential replacement for Jacob. When asked what would happen if all the people who left the island didn't return didn't Eloise say something along the lines of "then God help us all?" That seems to fit in with what we learned last episode that the island is stopping a great evil from being unleashed on the world. (I wonder if this has direct significance to the Valenzetti equation?) Widmore and Eloise seemed pretty aligned with Richard when we see flashbacks to the others camps. That is a pretty good indication that they are on Jacobs side and I would guess that Widmore and Ben's fight was just a power struggle over control of the island and is probably separate from the whole Jacob/MIB pissing match.

 

Ben calling the Smoke monster has been bugging me lately. It doesn't jive to me given what we know but I am hoping that is just from lack of info and not really knowing the rules, the Tunisia/Ancient Egypt connection and the whole Jacob/MIB backstory.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Widmore probably wouldn't need the pylons that his crew was setting up if he was working with Smokey. What would be the sense of trying to fool Sawyer to go back and have him lead Smokey to the Hydra island where Widmore and the sub are?

 

I think Eloise was trying to get them back because she knew that one of the losties was a potential replacement for Jacob. When asked what would happen if all the people who left the island didn't return didn't Eloise say something along the lines of "then God help us all?" That seems to fit in with what we learned last episode that the island is stopping a great evil from being unleashed on the world. (I wonder if this has direct significance to the Valenzetti equation?) Widmore and Eloise seemed pretty aligned with Richard when we see flashbacks to the others camps. That is a pretty good indication that they are on Jacobs side and I would guess that Widmore and Ben's fight was just a power struggle over control of the island and is probably separate from the whole Jacob/MIB pissing match.

 

Ben calling the Smoke monster has been bugging me lately. It doesn't jive to me given what we know but I am hoping that is just from lack of info and not really knowing the rules, the Tunisia/Ancient Egypt connection and the whole Jacob/MIB backstory.

 

True...while he was with Richard then...he was "kicked off" the island...he might now see his only way back is through smokey.

Though, the pylons do present a problem with the theory.

[edjr 6,607]

you people are focking crazy, seriously.

[kutulu 1,680]

you people are focking crazy, seriously.

 

 

Hey, we're just watching a show about people killing other people...we're not actually doing it.

[OakHeadFootball 1]

you people are focking crazy, seriously.

 

 

Don't tell me what I can't do.

[jvirne 0]

Widmore probably wouldn't need the pylons that his crew was setting up if he was working with Smokey. What would be the sense of trying to fool Sawyer to go back and have him lead Smokey to the Hydra island where Widmore and the sub are?

 

I think Eloise was trying to get them back because she knew that one of the losties was a potential replacement for Jacob. When asked what would happen if all the people who left the island didn't return didn't Eloise say something along the lines of "then God help us all?" That seems to fit in with what we learned last episode that the island is stopping a great evil from being unleashed on the world. (I wonder if this has direct significance to the Valenzetti equation?) Widmore and Eloise seemed pretty aligned with Richard when we see flashbacks to the others camps. That is a pretty good indication that they are on Jacobs side and I would guess that Widmore and Ben's fight was just a power struggle over control of the island and is probably separate from the whole Jacob/MIB pissing match.

 

Ben calling the Smoke monster has been bugging me lately. It doesn't jive to me given what we know but I am hoping that is just from lack of info and not really knowing the rules, the Tunisia/Ancient Egypt connection and the whole Jacob/MIB backstory.

 

This is good. The pylons are proof enough that Whitemore is working against MIB. I think that's why he wanted to help Locke (real) so much.

 

One thing I just realized: we still don't know why Eloise left the island. Or why she didn't take over sole leadership once Whitmore was banished. Whitmore was banished for shagging some other woman off the island. I highly doubt Eloise had anything to do with it (that's too kinky for LOST). So how did Ben assume leadership past Eloise?

 

My guess is she went batshit crazy when she realized she'd killed her own son.

[RicemanX 20]

I thought about what Widmore had to do with all this. And I honestly can't figure it out. He has enough money, he doesn't need to go out of his way to find the island to make money from it.

He doesn't need revenge for Ben attacking Penny, killing Alex was plenty...

 

I don't think we know his motive yet guise...

[kutulu 1,680]

Final episode title revealed:

 

 

 

 

“ The End ”

 

[CantTouchThis 23]

Before it was revealed it was the Black Rock in The Incident, i was going to suggest that the island was once in the Atlantic ocean. It really doesn't make sense that they were going to America and ended up in the South Pacific, by that time the shipping routes were well established. Plus, in the general area that the island is located, there aren't cyclones strong enough to produced a storm surge that extreme, but there definitely are in the Atlantic ocean.

 

So, the island has moved from the mid-Atlantic ocean to the south Pacific ocean, unless it's a huge writing flaw and/or an extreme difference in time loops.

[Saint Elistan 106]

I think it's pretty obvious that Widmore is a Protoss. He must construct additional Pylons.

[OakHeadFootball 1]

I think it's pretty obvious that Widmore is a Protoss. He must construct additional Pylons.

 

The awesomeness of this statement is recognized by me.

[Saint Elistan 106]

The awesomeness of this statement is recognized by me.

 

[jets24 6]

I was on fire back in February.

 

I was thinking about you when I was watching it. I'm glad you brought it back. Nice call.

[Voltaire 5,317]

Eloise Hawking was knee-deep in "fate." She certainly wasn't on the side of "you have a choice".

 

Jacob needed somebody to find the island. A couple of episodes later, Widmore arrives and is -yes I'll use the word- erecting anti-smokie pylons.

[tikigods 76]

It's been established that Magnus Hanso was captain of the Black Rock. The captain of last night's ship was Magnus Hanso.

 

What was the purpose of the ledger that Widmore bought at the auction....and how did it get there?

[jvirne 0]

What was the purpose of the ledger that Widmore bought at the auction....and how did it get there?

 

At the time it was just a subtle drop to the viewers that Widmore was connected to the island. All we knew about him was that he was Penny's father, and something of a jerk to Desmond.

 

Now I'd say it hints that he knew Richard came from the ship, and now knows he was a slave (according to the ledger, which likely lists the crew and cargo, Richard being the later).

 

ADD: it could have gotten off the island any number of ways. Eloise, Ben Linus, Richard himself. Who knows.

[kutulu 1,680]

I was on fire back in February.

 

I wish you were on fire right now.

[Saint Elistan 106]

Concerning Captain Hanso...remember also that the DHARMA Initiative was funded by the Hanso Foundation. So it stands to reason that DHARMA is the vehicle in which the journal made it off the Island. I'm hoping they connect those dots soon enough.

[edjr 6,607]

Lost has one thing going for it.

 

2 of the most anticipated finales I can recall over the last few years both were terrible.

 

Sopranos and Seinfeld

 

If Lost is compared to those, it will be hard to fail.

[pimptastic69 0]

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Widmore is actually Magnus Hanso (captain of the Black Rock). Remember, it was Widmore that purchased the Black Rock's log book at auction. Why else would he want it? As long as he stayed on the island, he didn't age which is why he appeared to be in his late 20's to early 30's when we some him in 1954. The next time we see him, he appears quite a bit older (mid 40's) in 1977. Hs followers were pissed at him because he'd left the island. Now, he seems to be in his 60's or 70's.

 

What I'm thinking is that while on the island, people that Jacob has "touched " in some way don't age while they are on the island, but once they leave they resume the normal process. I wonder if that's why The Others thought Walt was "special". He actually was aging when he shouldn't have been. However, we never saw Jacob visit Walt. I wonder if Jacob was just manipulating Ben and The Others to put some part of his plan in motion. Didn't Mrs. Klugh say there really wasn't anything "special" about Walt after all of the testing?

 

 

 

I'm standing by this. While we did see smokie suck the captain out of the Black Rock, we never actually saw anyone get killed. If you wonder why smokie/MIB killed everyone one the Black Rock so quickly - well....maybe he didn't.

[kutulu 1,680]

 

I'm standing by this. While we did see smokie suck the captain out of the Black Rock, we never actually saw anyone get killed. If you wonder why smokie/MIB killed everyone one the Black Rock so quickly - well....maybe he didn't.

 

Well, there was blood dripping down on that officer in the brig who stabbed 3 or 4 of the other slaves which seems to indicate at least someone died up above.

[edjr 6,607]

I wish the hell angle were actually true, that would be fun.

 

I'd like to see that fat bastard Hugo burn in the lake of fire

[gocolts 300]

 

I'm standing by this. While we did see smokie suck the captain out of the Black Rock, we never actually saw anyone get killed. If you wonder why smokie/MIB killed everyone one the Black Rock so quickly - well....maybe he didn't.

I don't think so. Wouldn't that make Widmore 150+ years old??

[tikigods 76]

Lost has one thing going for it.

 

2 of the most anticipated finales I can recall over the last few years both were terrible.

 

Sopranos and Seinfeld

 

If Lost is compared to those, it will be hard to fail.

 

I disagree. The ending to the Sopranos was brilliant.

[gocolts 300]

I disagree. The ending to the Sopranos was brilliant.

I was so focking pissed at the end of the Sopranos it is hard to put into words. The show was great. The ending was one of the most horrible endings of any show I have ever watched.