tikigods 76 Posted February 25, 2010 I hope they shoot the children of the show's writers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted February 25, 2010 I just realized that the writers are probably going to use the easy way out to solve all the unsolved issues on lost. The GOD excuse. Like, oh, that happened because GOD did it. The Jacob/MIB excuse. The numbers. Oh, Jacob had a thing with numbers. What about Hurley winning the lottery with those numbers and seeing them all the time? Oh, Jacob did it. What about the Dharma food drop in season 2's "Dave"? Oh, MIB did it to test Hurley. idk...feels like it might be their safest and easiest way out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Hood 9 Posted February 25, 2010 Jack's father, Christian, is not really needed anymore. MIB disguised himself as Christian to manipulate Locke, Jack, and Claire. Now, there really is no reason to appear as Christian. Seems strange that Claire knows MIB isn't Locke yet had just previously mentioned her dad and "friend" as separate people. When Hurley looked in the cabin we saw Christian in the chair and then someone else's (MIB?) eye. Jack and Hurley stopping by the caves to remind us that Christian's body is missing in both time lines seems like maybe something more is going on with him. Plenty of reasons to think MIB was the Christian we have seen but things have certainly been left open that he may not have been. Also curious as to why Christian if MIB made an appearance and told Sun to wait for Locke at the barracks. Seemed to have nothing to do with his plan to kill Jacob and he then just left her at the statue. What was the point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,680 Posted February 25, 2010 Seems strange that Claire knows MIB isn't Locke yet had just previously mentioned her dad and "friend" as separate people. She is caring for a "baby" she made out of dead animal pelts and a polar bear skull...focking anything associated with this batshit crazy b1tch is gonna be strange. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted February 25, 2010 She is caring for a "baby" she made out of dead animal pelts and a polar bear skull...focking anything associated with this batshit crazy b1tch is gonna be strange. I thought the same thing. No wonder Jin told her whatever she needed to hear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 825 Posted February 25, 2010 I have to say...I'm losing the faith. Up until this season, I always believed they were going to pull it all together at the end and we were all going to say "aha! Awesome!". Now, I'm not so sure. We seem to be heading towards a conclusion in which someone becomes protector of the island, either MIB or Jacob wins or there game just continues with new pieces. Whatever......But it honestly doesn't feel like any of that has anything to do with the first few seasons of the show. Honestly, it almost feels like they changed course midway through the story arc....I liked the idea that the island was the key piece in a big game of Axis and Allies or Risk or something, being played by Widmore and Ben or someone a level higher (Jacob and MIB) than them maybe......I could have gotten on board with some Atlantis or Purgatory type reveal..... and maybe something still happens like that, but it just feels like they decided they needed to totally change direction at halftime and made much of the previous story inconsequential. I guess the end will be something along the lines of "Free Will vs Fate", but it isn't making much sense right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted February 25, 2010 I have to say...I'm losing the faith. Up until this season, I always believed they were going to pull it all together at the end and we were all going to say "aha! Awesome!". Now, I'm not so sure. We seem to be heading towards a conclusion in which someone becomes protector of the island, either MIB or Jacob wins or there game just continues with new pieces. Whatever......But it honestly doesn't feel like any of that has anything to do with the first few seasons of the show. Honestly, it almost feels like they changed course midway through the story arc....I liked the idea that the island was the key piece in a big game of Axis and Allies or Risk or something, being played by Widmore and Ben or someone a level higher (Jacob and MIB) than them maybe......I could have gotten on board with some Atlantis or Purgatory type reveal..... and maybe something still happens like that, but it just feels like they decided they needed to totally change direction at halftime and made much of the previous story inconsequential. I guess the end will be something along the lines of "Free Will vs Fate", but it isn't making much sense right now. Patience. Every season starts like this...complete confusion. I have confidence they will tie things together in the next few weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantTouchThis 23 Posted February 25, 2010 Seems strange that Claire knows MIB isn't Locke yet had just previously mentioned her dad and "friend" as separate people. When Hurley looked in the cabin we saw Christian in the chair and then someone else's (MIB?) eye. Jack and Hurley stopping by the caves to remind us that Christian's body is missing in both time lines seems like maybe something more is going on with him. Plenty of reasons to think MIB was the Christian we have seen but things have certainly been left open that he may not have been. Also curious as to why Christian if MIB made an appearance and told Sun to wait for Locke at the barracks. Seemed to have nothing to do with his plan to kill Jacob and he then just left her at the statue. What was the point? I have come to the conclusion that MIB is NOT Christian, Christian is something entirely differently. When MIB embodied John Locke, according to Ilana, he cannot change. Sun and Lapidus encountered Christian at Ben's house after MIB already made this transition. So if what Ilana is saying is correct, Christian is NOT MIB or smoky and never was. I think he is more associated with Jacob than anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted February 25, 2010 I have come to the conclusion that MIB is NOT Christian, Christian is something entirely differently. When MIB embodied John Locke, according to Ilana, he cannot change. Sun and Lapidus encountered Christian at Ben's house after MIB already made this transition. So if what Ilana is saying is correct, Christian is NOT MIB or smoky and never was. I think he is more associated with Jacob than anyone. Christian is "claimed" like Claire is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantTouchThis 23 Posted February 25, 2010 Christian is "claimed" like Claire is. Maybe, but many people suspected he WAS smoky at one point, i am saying that was proven wrong in season 5 if Ilana is correct. He is dead, i don't think dead people can be "claimed". I think he could be a neutral party on the island or something. Claire is off her focking rocker. My gawd it's hot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lackman 0 Posted February 25, 2010 I have come to the conclusion that MIB is NOT Christian, Christian is something entirely differently. When MIB embodied John Locke, according to Ilana, he cannot change. Sun and Lapidus encountered Christian at Ben's house after MIB already made this transition. So if what Ilana is saying is correct, Christian is NOT MIB or smoky and never was. I think he is more associated with Jacob than anyone. I spent a lot of time complaining that MIB and Smokie can't be at two places at once, like you seem to think. Christian talks to Frank and Sun while MIB Locke talke to Ben on Hydra island. Tell that to the pop ups in the enhanced episodes who have clearly stated MIB=Smokie. Also, Sun and Frank didn't encounter Christian at Ben's house. They did at the Dharma processing station. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lackman 0 Posted February 25, 2010 He is dead, i don't think dead people can be "claimed". I think he could be a neutral party on the island or something. If you can shape shift into a dead person, there is no reason to worry about claiming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Elistan 106 Posted February 25, 2010 If you can shape shift into a dead person, there is no reason to worry about claiming. The bigger question is...who the fock was projecting the image of Walt (and possibly "Aaron")? As far as I know, that's the only time that someone not physically dead on the island manifested in physical form on the Island. Yemi, Locke, Christian were all bodies on the Island; ones you could argue all died of their own Free Will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jvirne 0 Posted February 26, 2010 I've said a few times that there's a third supernatural character running around (and off) the island. Personally, I think it's the island itself - Walt, the blond boy, and Christian are the island setting things right. If Smokey is the black rock and Jacob is the white rock, then the island is the scales. It's all about balance and "the rules." The island is the Christian that appeared to Claire. The island is the thing that prevented Michael from killing himself. The island is the Christian that allowed Michael to kill himself on the tanker. The island is also the Christian that appeared to Jack in LA. The Christian in the cabin wasn't Smokey/MIB because Smokey/MIB was already free. He'd been gone for awhile. If he hadn't been, Ben would have been meeting with him for years. But Ben clearly said he never met with anyone in the cabin. He'd been lying the whole time. Smokey has been free for a long time. Maybe as far back as the 1970s. Further, now that I think of it, I'm fairly sure the island is the one who demanded the sacrifice of Boone. Not Jacob. Not MIB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted February 26, 2010 The lack of Ben this season has really sucked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantTouchThis 23 Posted February 26, 2010 The lack of Ben this season has really sucked. I agree. Ben has just been chillin after he killed Jacob, i think there is no way this can keep up, he is planning something. Lack of Ben and the flash-sideways have been the downs of this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,925 Posted February 26, 2010 I have to say...I'm losing the faith. Up until this season, I always believed they were going to pull it all together at the end and we were all going to say "aha! Awesome!". Now, I'm not so sure. We seem to be heading towards a conclusion in which someone becomes protector of the island, either MIB or Jacob wins or there game just continues with new pieces. Whatever......But it honestly doesn't feel like any of that has anything to do with the first few seasons of the show. Honestly, it almost feels like they changed course midway through the story arc....I liked the idea that the island was the key piece in a big game of Axis and Allies or Risk or something, being played by Widmore and Ben or someone a level higher (Jacob and MIB) than them maybe......I could have gotten on board with some Atlantis or Purgatory type reveal..... and maybe something still happens like that, but it just feels like they decided they needed to totally change direction at halftime and made much of the previous story inconsequential. I guess the end will be something along the lines of "Free Will vs Fate", but it isn't making much sense right now. Didn't the writers/producers at one time basically say just that? They wrote it figuring on a one to two season run and it turned into so much more. So they had to modify some things and finally they had to convince ABC to kill the shhow rather than let it run endlessely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lackman 0 Posted February 26, 2010 Let's try a sober post for a change. An updated list... 2 - Lacombe (French guy) 4 - Locke (John) 8 - Reyes (Hugo) 10 - Mattingly (US Army) 12 - Foster 13 - Beckett 14 – Pryce (Other) 15 - Ford (James) 16 - Jarrah (Sayid) 17 - Barnes 18 - Kueffner 19 - Nguyen 20 - Rousseau (Robert, Danielle, or Alex) 21 - McHenly 22 - Moorhead 23 - Shephard (Jack or Christian) 24 - Kluxen 25 - Ashen 26 - Bozarth 27 - Dorrie 28 - Holland 29 – Brennan (French guy) 30 - Wade 31 - Toms 32 - Rutherford (Shannon) 33 - Novak 34 - Grimaldi 35 - Brennan 36 - Syzmanksi 37 - Torres 38 - Linsatrom 39 - Morioka 40 - Dowsen 42 - Kwon (Jin, Sun, or Ji Yeon) 43 - Barnes 44 – Martinez 48 - Stanhope (Goodwin, Other) 49 - Eko (Mr. or Yemi, depending on what their last name was) 51 - Austen 55 - Kennedy 56 - Hansen 58 - Burke (Juliet) 59 - Suzuki 60 - Kysea 64 – Goldstein 73 - Costa 77 - Franetzki 90 - Troupe (Gary, Lostie) 94 - Cohen 96 - Greeson 97 - Pallison 98 - Horton 99 - Sookson 100 - Barfield 101 - Faraday (Daniel) 102 - Montand (French guy) 103 - Horsman 104 - Lewis 106 – Radzinsky (Dharma) 107 - Thomson 108 - Wallace 109 - Friendly (Tom) 110 - Eipons 111 - Klein 112 - Horton 113 - Worden 114 - Yamada 115 - Bargas 116 - Lambert 117 - Linus (Roger, Ben, or Emily) 118 - Chavez 119 - Almieda 120 - Rodriguez 121 - Nielson 122 - Freed 124 - Dawson (Michael, Walt) 125 - Owens 126 - Renti 127 - Mora 128 - Paddock 129 - Campbell 130 - Tillman 134 – Chang (Dr Pierre or wife Lara) 140 - Lewis (Charlotte or her parents David, Jeanette) 171 – Straume (Miles) 175 - Costa 195 - Pace (Charlie) 197 – Sheckler 202 - Harggus 221 - Carlyle (Boone) 222 - O'Toole 231 - Amistad 233 – Jones (US Army) 249 – Garner 251 – Yaris 272 – Oralingo 282 - Aguila 285 – Jenkins (Steve, Lostie) 291 – Domingo 301 – Mars (US Marshall) 313 - Littleton (Claire or Aaron) 317 - Cunningham (US Army) 321 – Fernandez (Nikki, Lostie) 335 – Henderson (Rose’s maiden name) 337 - Martin 346 - Grant ?? – Davison ?? - Goodspeed (Horace or Ethan or Olivia or Amy) ?? – Pickett (Danny or Colleen, Others) ?? - Reynolds ?? – Sullivan (Lostie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 825 Posted February 26, 2010 Didn't the writers/producers at one time basically say just that? They wrote it figuring on a one to two season run and it turned into so much more. So they had to modify some things and finally they had to convince ABC to kill the shhow rather than let it run endlessely. I always heard the opposite. They always had the basic story arc planned from the beginning to the end. Then once the show became a big hit, they started adding filler because they couldn't advance things too fast with no end date. Thus they started fighting for an end date. Once they got the end date, they got back on track and started pushing towards what was planned all along. I could be wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,680 Posted February 26, 2010 Couple things that I noticed (or read about) in viewing The Lighthouse Jacks son's house was number the same as "jack's number"....23. The Candidates sign at Jack's son's audition. The "You have what it takes" line in this season's episode #5 mirrors the "You don't have what it takes" line from episode #5 in the first season. Several Alice in Wonderland references or images also connecting back to season one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,607 Posted February 26, 2010 Agreed. They put him on the plane for a reason. Desmond is the key to this whole thing. He'll arrive and simply ask "brother" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,607 Posted February 26, 2010 as I have been saying for years. the writers never had any clue what they were doing with this focking show. They thought they might get 1, maybe 2 seasons out of this show. They have been flying by the seat of their pants for a very long time and it shows Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,680 Posted February 26, 2010 as I have been saying for years. the writers never had any clue what they were doing with this focking show. They thought they might get 1, maybe 2 seasons out of this show. They have been flying by the seat of their pants for a very long time and it shows I thought you stopped watching. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted February 26, 2010 I do not think Christian is MIB - But i don't think he is Jacob either - I think he represents a higher power that governed both Jacob and MIB and made sure they played correctly. I think the same think that Christian was/is that kid was/is. I don't think we have seen the last of Christian. The Temple being under attack and Jacob not wanting Jack or Hurley near there The Jap Temple guy knowing about the "canidates" but Richard hasn't a clue??? looking more and more like Jacob is wanting to choose Jack and MIB Sawyer - Thus those 2 taking there place. Not certain though. I really doubt they planned on only 1 season of this show maybe 3 though. The person Jacob wants to find the Island -- is it Des or Widemore? or was the Lighthouse just a ploy to push Jack a certain way and get them out of the temple? Claire - not sure MIB reason for wanting her -- but clearly he can possess her but cannot with Sawyer as Sawyer was marked a canidate. Who knows Ben's role now. he will blame MIB for Jacob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,607 Posted February 26, 2010 I thought you stopped watching. You convinced me to keep watching. I hate your guts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,680 Posted February 26, 2010 You convinced me to keep watching. I hate your guts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Moz 69 Posted February 26, 2010 New theory is the alt reality is Jacobs check mate to MIB. Hurley is lucky , Jack a good guy and a being a good father , Ben a teacher , Kate thinking of people other than herself , Locke embracing who and what he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted February 26, 2010 New theory is the alt reality is Jacobs check mate to MIB. Hurley is lucky , Jack a good guy and a being a good father , Ben a teacher , Kate thinking of people other than herself , Locke embracing who and what he is. And joc's dog apologizing to the cat. "Sorry for bitin you bro" "No biggie." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,607 Posted February 26, 2010 Another thing that sucks about this season. Very little Ben Linus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted February 26, 2010 The lack of Ben this season has really sucked. Yea, I completely agree edjr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,680 Posted February 26, 2010 You focks sure like to complain...I wish I could go back in time and rip our you mom's uterus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted February 26, 2010 Yea, I completely agree edjr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,929 Posted February 26, 2010 I predict people are going to be pretty disappointed with the ending. Lost is about the journey and choices made during that journey. Not what happens at the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 825 Posted February 26, 2010 I predict people are going to be pretty disappointed with the ending. Lost is about the journey and choices made during that journey. Not what happens at the end. spoken like a true doosher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,607 Posted February 26, 2010 Yea, I completely agree edjr Oops. Is my cover blown now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,680 Posted February 26, 2010 Oops. Is my cover blown now? No, we always knew you were a doosh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CantTouchThis 23 Posted February 26, 2010 I predict people are going to be pretty disappointed with the ending. Lost is about the journey and choices made during that journey. Not what happens at the end. I think there is NO WAY the ending can satisfy everyone. They said this in the interview with that one chick, they think the ending will disappoint some losties, while leaving others satisfied. It's impossible to please all the fans in this case. If they DIDN'T have the basic planned from the beginning, they can go on forever with this story. They already said( of course they could be lying) that they had all the major plot thought of before season 1, it was just a matter of how they will get to the end, i guess they figured that they can't drag it on further without the fans getting really upset, which is true. I just hope the rest of the season is really good. If they rest of the season is really good, and the ending is kind of disappointing, i will still be satisfied. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernauts 0 Posted February 26, 2010 There's a lot of discussion on "the game" and the "claiming", but not much discussion on what the hell is going on with the "flash sideways." What's the point? How does this all tie in to everything? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted February 26, 2010 I predict people are going to be pretty disappointed with the ending. Lost is about the journey and choices made during that journey. Not what happens at the end. Much like the Sopranos. Tony died. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OakHeadFootball 1 Posted February 27, 2010 Quote from a member over at Lostpedia forum when they found out the tsunami was not going to cause problems with the filming schedule. "oh good, i was worried they were going to have to turn the donkey wheel." BTW where the fock is our recap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites