Miami Heat sucxors

[WhiteWonder 3,004]

Thoughts about them saving it for the playoffs though? That was what Boston pretty much did last season. Over-rested Allen and Garnett to make sure they were as close to 100% as possible when playoffs came.

The trio could just be going 75% every night, knowing that no matter what they'll end up around 3rd or 4th seed in the East, and then go all out in the playoffs.

 

uhhhh no

 

first of all, that kind of strategy makes sense for guys near the ends of their careers who still play at a high level but need the rest... Guys like Garnett, Allen and Pierce. Not guys like LeBron and Wade.

 

And as others have already mentioned, with all the criticism there is no way these guys didn't wan't to come out and absolutely dominate the league from seasons start to seasons end.

 

Its a simple case of thinking they are better than they are. Until they figure out some of the other pieces on the team, the big 3 isn't going to mean much.

[Voltaire 5,530]

It's good to see them not enjoying things and feeling the hate.

 

This team can sleepwalk into the playoffs. They still have another four months to figure it out. I wouldn't rest easy until we see somebody beat them 4 out of 7.

[CantTouchThis 23]

It's good to see them not enjoying things and feeling the hate.

 

This team can sleepwalk into the playoffs. They still have another four months to figure it out. I wouldn't rest easy until we somebody beat them 4 out of 7.

 

Though i agree this team will look A LOT better in March than right now, we are seeing what will cause their likely ultimate demise in the playoffs. Front-court presence, or lack there of. Bosh can score, but that is pretty much is. He is tall, but wire thin and doesn't have the skill to be a great post-defender. Haslem is a good defender, but is rather short. Other than that, who do they have? They have to go against Dwight Howard, Shaq/Perkins/Davis/KG, Pau/Odom/Bynum in the playoffs, for 7 games. No chance, i don't care if Bron and Wade shot 60% from the field and together average 65ppg, teams will just man-handle them down low once they get deep in the playoffs.

 

Now, it is possible to overcome that lack of a dominant front-court presence. I mean, MJ had guys like Grant and Rodman, but compared to come of the front-courts he faced, he had to overcome the same thing. However, it's all about execution and really having great chemistry among back-court players. Wade and Bron don't and won't have that this year. It will take time. I had them winning 2 rings, but i said not till year 3 and i will stick to that.

 

I think they will still win between 58 and 62 games this year.

[WhiteWonder 3,004]

I honestly wouldn't care so much if not for the whole spectacle that was made. The Decision. The Miami Heat intro party... just rediculous. And the fact that it was all planned out by the players.

 

I recently had someone (who knows I like Garnett and the Celts) ask why it was ok for Garnett and Boston to do it and not Miami. I also read an article, I think on CBS, that posed the very same question.

 

KG, Pierce and Allen didn't get together and decide to join forces. Nor were any of them (save for maybe Pierce) still in their primes. Garnett was traded for. Allen was traded for. They may have wanted to come to Boston but it wasn't ultimately their decision pending the proper amount of money.

[Savage Beast 1]

The Heat is playing better now. They are .636 right now. 14-8 record.1.5 games back from division leader Magic.

[Team Revell 1]

Huge road win at Utah. They are starting to get it.

[funngun 1]

The Heat is playing better now. They are .636 right now. 14-8 record.1.5 games back from division leader Magic.

Yeah, but they have been playing sub 500 teams. Wait, they just beat both atlanta and and utah back to back in their backyards.

Oh yeah? Everybody knows that regular season record doesn't matter. Really? It only matters when the heat are losing huh?

Fock it, haters will always hate.

[sorrycharlie 0]

I honestly wouldn't care so much if not for the whole spectacle that was made. The Decision. The Miami Heat intro party... just rediculous. And the fact that it was all planned out by the players.

 

I recently had someone (who knows I like Garnett and the Celts) ask why it was ok for Garnett and Boston to do it and not Miami. I also read an article, I think on CBS, that posed the very same question.

 

KG, Pierce and Allen didn't get together and decide to join forces. Nor were any of them (save for maybe Pierce) still in their primes. Garnett was traded for. Allen was traded for. They may have wanted to come to Boston but it wasn't ultimately their decision pending the proper amount of money.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This

[Voltaire 5,530]

I honestly wouldn't care so much if not for the whole spectacle that was made. The Decision. The Miami Heat intro party... just rediculous. And the fact that it was all planned out by the players.

 

I recently had someone (who knows I like Garnett and the Celts) ask why it was ok for Garnett and Boston to do it and not Miami. I also read an article, I think on CBS, that posed the very same question.

 

KG, Pierce and Allen didn't get together and decide to join forces. Nor were any of them (save for maybe Pierce) still in their primes. Garnett was traded for. Allen was traded for. They may have wanted to come to Boston but it wasn't ultimately their decision pending the proper amount of money.

 

Let me handle this one.

 

As a Pistons fan during the mid-80s, I spent many, many years in my youth channeling passionate hate towards the Boston Celtics. So I have every reason to be p*ssed at this team.

 

But I don't. I have no problem with how the Celtics put together their current team. Miami is another story entirely. i can't stand what'd going on there. Consequently, I wish Boston every success in knocking out this Miami Heat team.

 

Good luck Boston.

[Team Revell 1]

Let me handle this one.

 

As a Pistons fan during the mid-80s, I spent many, many years in my youth channeling passionate hate towards the Boston Celtics. So I have every reason to be p*ssed at this team.

 

But I don't. I have no problem with how the Celtics put together their current team. Miami is another story entirely. i can't stand what'd going on there. Consequently, I wish Boston every success in knocking out this Miami Heat team.

 

Good luck Boston.

 

So why exactly is it okay for a 'super team' to be built by the general managers but not by the players?

 

Even worse than the KG trade- which actually was a pretty fair trade talent wise for Minnesota given the circumstances- was the absolutely ridiculous Pau Gasol trade which won the Lakers multiple championships. Yet people accept it because the front office made it instead of the players. Meanwhile GM Kobe demanded a trade after his request to trade Bynum for Kidd was not met.

 

Why exactly are people so offended by players making the decision over where and whom they want to play with?

 

And why is basketball the only sport where this kind of vitriol is directed at stars who join their 'rivals'- even though Wade and Bosh were nothing of the sort to James the last few seasons as their teams were mediocre at best. For instance how come no ones felt that Sabathia was taking the easy way out and lacking in competitive spirit for joining the Yankees?

[funngun 1]

woops forgot about the update.

Miami Heat just moved up from 3rd place in their division to 3rd place in their division.

that is all

Here is the latest. Miami heat have moved to 1st in their division. That's all.

[Team Revell 1]

Perhaps the circling buzzards were a tad early in condemning the Heat experiment a failure?

[Voltaire 5,530]

So why exactly is it okay for a 'super team' to be built by the general managers but not by the players?

 

Even worse than the KG trade- which actually was a pretty fair trade talent wise for Minnesota given the circumstances- was the absolutely ridiculous Pau Gasol trade which won the Lakers multiple championships. Yet people accept it because the front office made it instead of the players. Meanwhile GM Kobe demanded a trade after his request to trade Bynum for Kidd was not met.

 

Why exactly are people so offended by players making the decision over where and whom they want to play with?

 

And why is basketball the only sport where this kind of vitriol is directed at stars who join their 'rivals'- even though Wade and Bosh were nothing of the sort to James the last few seasons as their teams were mediocre at best. For instance how come no ones felt that Sabathia was taking the easy way out and lacking in competitive spirit for joining the Yankees?

 

Basketball, Football, and Hockey have salary caps. Baseball doesn't which makes the Yankees the perennial a$$hole team of all American professional sports since every other team in baseball are little more than their farm clubs.

 

GMs are expected to make all the moves to bring the players and chemistry to their respective teams/cities. They don't collude with each other to make it happen and are always looking out for their teams' best interest - an argument that can even hold for Isiah Thomas' tenure in New York. I have no clue what he was doing or thinking, but I do honestly believe that he was doing what he thought was best for his team.

 

Players on the other hand who get together in the prime of their careers are telling every fan and every team in the league to go fock themselves. It's selfishness and I hope it's unrewarded. I never had a problem with Wade or Lebron, or Bosh until this past offseason. Actually, I use to like all three.

[Team Revell 1]

Players on the other hand who get together in the prime of their careers are telling every fan and every team in the league to go fock themselves. It's selfishness and I hope it's unrewarded. I never had a problem with Wade or Lebron, or Bosh until this past offseason. Actually, I use to like all three.

 

So taking significantly less money and sacrificing stats and numbers and shot attempts and any chance at MVP awards or other such accolades solely so you can win is selfish?

[phillybear 366]

Fock the Miami Heat. I hope their whole focking team takes a flight with their family and the focking plane crashes into a busy downtown street. And the plane was carrying nothing but gasoline as cargo, with gas cans filling every empty passenger seat. Then a piano falls out of window of skyscraper and lands on the burning wreckage. Then an 'ole timey safe falls out another window and lands on top of the piano. Then a salt truck overturns onto the remains, ensuring nothing ever grows there again. Then Susan Boyle saunters up and takes a sh!t on the smoldering remnants.

[Cruzer 1,996]

My Mavericks roll into town and stop King James and the streak. Actually have already swept the season series from Miami - this Dallas team is really pretty good. Tyson Chandler has made a huge difference.

[Strike 6,032]

My Mavericks roll into town and stop King James and the streak. Actually have already swept the season series from Miami - this Dallas team is really pretty good. Tyson Chandler has made a huge difference.

 

Considering how YOUR Mavs engineered one of the biggest finals chokes in NBA history against the Heat you might not want to be so smug.

[cbfalcon 828]

Considering how YOUR Mavs engineered one of the biggest finals chokes in NBA history against the Heat you might not want to be so smug.

 

Dallas Mavericks vs. Miami Salvatores

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTKxxsDuDas&feature=related

[Cruzer 1,996]

Considering how YOUR Mavs engineered one of the biggest finals chokes in NBA history against the Heat you might not want to be so smug.

Nothing smug about that statement. Not biting, trying again.

[funngun 1]

Though i agree this team will look A LOT better in March than right now, we are seeing what will cause their likely ultimate demise in the playoffs. Front-court presence, or lack there of. Bosh can score, but that is pretty much is. He is tall, but wire thin and doesn't have the skill to be a great post-defender. Haslem is a good defender, but is rather short. Other than that, who do they have? They have to go against Dwight Howard, Shaq/Perkins/Davis/KG, Pau/Odom/Bynum in the playoffs, for 7 games. No chance, i don't care if Bron and Wade shot 60% from the field and together average 65ppg, teams will just man-handle them down low once they get deep in the playoffs.

 

Now, it is possible to overcome that lack of a dominant front-court presence. I mean, MJ had guys like Grant and Rodman, but compared to come of the front-courts he faced, he had to overcome the same thing. However, it's all about execution and really having great chemistry among back-court players. Wade and Bron don't and won't have that this year. It will take time.

 

Boy, if this guys can beat up teams with no chemistry, I hate to see what will happen when they get it.

[JT 137]

Boy, if this guys can beat up teams with no chemistry, I hate to see what will happen when they get it.

 

Guessing you were a Lakers fan last season.

[Chronic Husker 86]

Though i agree this team will look A LOT better in March than right now, we are seeing what will cause their likely ultimate demise in the playoffs. Front-court presence, or lack there of. Bosh can score, but that is pretty much is. He is tall, but wire thin and doesn't have the skill to be a great post-defender. Haslem is a good defender, but is rather short. Other than that, who do they have? They have to go against Dwight Howard, Shaq/Perkins/Davis/KG, Pau/Odom/Bynum in the playoffs, for 7 games. No chance, i don't care if Bron and Wade shot 60% from the field and together average 65ppg, teams will just man-handle them down low once they get deep in the playoffs.

 

Now, it is possible to overcome that lack of a dominant front-court presence. I mean, MJ had guys like Grant and Rodman, but compared to come of the front-courts he faced, he had to overcome the same thing. However, it's all about execution and really having great chemistry among back-court players. Wade and Bron don't and won't have that this year. It will take time. I had them winning 2 rings, but i said not till year 3 and i will stick to that.

 

I think they will still win between 58 and 62 games this year.

CTT won this thread.

 

Don't forget Jordan had Brian Williams, too.

[Team Revell 1]

CTT won this thread.

 

Don't forget Jordan had Brian Williams, too.

 

It is obvious how they intend to overcome their shortcomings in the front court- by playing great team defense. They have the best FG% in the league at the moment and the lowest point against. They are giving up even less points than Boston.

 

If they can maintain this commitment to defense- and yes that's a big if considering none of the Big 3 were known for their defense coming in- then they can win in the postseason. But like you guys I have my doubts as to them getting by the Celtics- and this isn't a knock on the Heat I just think Boston is just too loaded and too deep.

 

Heat have the Knicks tonight and then @ Houston (who is playing well) on the second leg of a back-to-back. If they somehow win both of these then it might be the start of another long winning streak.

[funngun 1]

Guessing you were a Lakers fan last season.

 

Guessed wrong, I am from florida. Long time heat fan. Heat, magic, jags and gators. Go find some chump to pick on faker.

[DankNuggs 305]

Heat won't win in the playoffs... They didn't build their team particularly well... You got James and Wade, who overlap about 75% of their game, so they make James some kind of PG, which wastes his talent. They got Bosh, who is an overpaid, soft, poor mans Jermaine Oneal. They are missing a couple glue guys, and some frontcourt beef. Bulls are a better team getting boozer and glue guys to add to Rose/Noah/Deng... You can see on the celts that Pierce/KG are the scoring threats, and Allen has become more of a glorified role play/spot shooter. Nothing more. You can't have 3 primary scoring threats, well you can but if its at the expense of depth, you will pay for it.

 

Celts understood the same thing, frontcourt beef wins the east.

 

Also funny that some azzclown said Jordan had no frontcourt with Cartwright/Grant, and Grant/Rodman. Grant was a top glass guy in his day, they even had capable stiffs like wennington and a couple others.

[Team Revell 1]

19 out of 20 is pretty damn impressive.

[KSB2424 3,174]

[RicemanX 20]

Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Chris Bosh all sat out practice with various injuries, further sobering a team on a three-game losing streak.

 

Bosh and James were both nursing sprained left ankles suffered during the Heat's just ended five-game road trip. Wade was out with a sore knee resulting from a collision in Saturday night's loss in Chicago.

 

Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said Wade was probable for Tuesday's home game against the Atlanta Hawks, that James was going to be a game-time decision and that Bosh was doubtful. Neither Bosh nor James even tied their left shoes while taking it easy Monday.

 

 

Already sitting out and it's not even all-star break yet.

 

I still feel like they'll turn it on during the playoffs and blow past everyone.

[Strike 6,032]

Nice choke job last night fellas.

 

[RicemanX 20]

Nice choke job last night fellas.

 

Really fun game to watch.

Love how Wade and Lebron stares at Dampier like he's supposed to do something against Howard. Yea, that's the grave you guys dug yourselves in, with Dampier and Bibby. Have fun.

[cyclone24 1,940]

Nice choke job last night fellas.

 

 

Awesome that i watched until mid 3rd quarter....... ME FAIL.

 

 

Ric Bucher hit it on the head last night.......If they cant run, they cant win because they cant function consistantly in a half court game.

[Strike 6,032]

Awesome that i watched until mid 3rd quarter....... ME FAIL.

 

 

Ric Bucher hit it on the head last night.......If they cant run, they cant win because they cant function consistantly in a half court game.

 

And this is what will kill them in the playoffs. If simply being able to run won championships Phoenix would have 3 or 4 hanging in the rafters right now. Come playoff time everything slows down, defense becomes more important, as well as an inside presence. Their lack of size is going to hurt them. I think Boston could suffer the same fate now that they've traded Perk. They're going to be putting their money on Shaq playing a lot of minutes but he gets in to foul trouble against the elite bigs now so not sure that's gonna work out for them.

[cyclone24 1,940]

And this is what will kill them in the playoffs. If simply being able to run won championships Phoenix would have 3 or 4 hanging in the rafters right now. Come playoff time everything slows down, defense becomes more important, as well as an inside presence. Their lack of size is going to hurt them. I think Boston could suffer the same fate now that they've traded Perk. They're going to be putting their money on Shaq playing a lot of minutes but he gets in to foul trouble against the elite bigs now so not sure that's gonna work out for them.

 

 

Agreed. 100%. I said when they made this trade that they essentially have 3 guys that all do the same thing.

[GettnHuge 2]

:cry:

[WhiteWonder 3,004]

So why exactly is it okay for a 'super team' to be built by the general managers but not by the players?

 

Even worse than the KG trade- which actually was a pretty fair trade talent wise for Minnesota given the circumstances- was the absolutely ridiculous Pau Gasol trade which won the Lakers multiple championships. Yet people accept it because the front office made it instead of the players. Meanwhile GM Kobe demanded a trade after his request to trade Bynum for Kidd was not met.

 

Why exactly are people so offended by players making the decision over where and whom they want to play with?

 

And why is basketball the only sport where this kind of vitriol is directed at stars who join their 'rivals'- even though Wade and Bosh were nothing of the sort to James the last few seasons as their teams were mediocre at best. For instance how come no ones felt that Sabathia was taking the easy way out and lacking in competitive spirit for joining the Yankees?

 

i missed this one but its so laughable i have to go back in time and answer.

 

its ok for GM's to build their teams the way they want because that is their JOB. Its not a players job to dictate where and with whom they play.

 

its so simple i can't believe you actually asked that question.

 

Now ofcourse, a free agent has every right to choose their own destination... so when all is said and done, noen of these guys did something wrong. They just took the p*ssy way out.

[WhiteWonder 3,004]

 

[drobeski 3,061]

Relax guys they are saving it for the playoffs....

[DankNuggs 305]

i missed this one but its so laughable i have to go back in time and answer.

 

its ok for GM's to build their teams the way they want because that is their JOB. Its not a players job to dictate where and with whom they play.

 

its so simple i can't believe you actually asked that question.

 

Now ofcourse, a free agent has every right to choose their own destination... so when all is said and done, noen of these guys did something wrong. They just took the p*ssy way out.

Exactly... If the point is to condense all the talent in the league into a half dozen teams, and have the rest be uncompetitive, the NBA wouldn't have a very lucrative product.

[The Moz 72]

Exactly... If the point is to condense all the talent in the league into a half dozen teams, and have the rest be uncompetitive, the NBA wouldn't have a very lucrative product.

 

 

Bosh is not that great sorry and no where near a post threat more of a post Joke. The Chicago Bulls thank Miami many time for going after Bosh over Boozer. Miami has no Point gaurd and no post player. The only team to win it all with no Point of Post player was the Chicago Bulls 6 years. But then again they had a guy that wore #23 -- as much as folks want to annoint James king he isn't and never has been even as good as Kobe. Wade IMO is better than Jmaes. James is also maybe the biggest douche in the league !

[DankNuggs 305]

Bosh is not that great sorry and no where near a post threat more of a post Joke. The Chicago Bulls thank Miami many time for going after Bosh over Boozer. Miami has no Point gaurd and no post player. The only team to win it all with no Point of Post player was the Chicago Bulls 6 years. But then again they had a guy that wore #23 -- as much as folks want to annoint James king he isn't and never has been even as good as Kobe. Wade IMO is better than Jmaes. James is also maybe the biggest douche in the league !

You put Shaq in his prime on the Cavs with LeBron and they win a title I think... I'm not saying the heat have tipped the scales, I'm talking about the outfall of having all of these 'superteams' overtime...It will really hurt the league