cyclone24 1,960 Posted October 11, 2011 Have just a few notes passed on to me about the orton benching. Hes definitely tired of it in Denver....and is supportive of Tebow. And said something along the lines of "Thats ok if they want to pay me 6 million a year to sit" Another odd thing he said.....he said hes ready to just be a backup in the league and go elsewhere. doesnt really want a starting gig anymore. Kinda odd considering hes 28 and led the league in passing thru 10 weeks last year. Denver really botched this.....they dont trade him to get something in return....wait too long so now they have to play him 6 mill....and they ended up going with Tebow after 5 games anyway. Stupid. Anyway....couple of tidbits there. But he said hes definitely played his last down there.....they told him this morning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronCity Steel 0 Posted October 11, 2011 Orton went through a similar situation in Chicago before he got traded to Denver, where Orton clearly outplayed Rex Grossman. Josh McDaniel certainly screwed things up in Denver during his time, especially when he alienated Cutler enough for Cutler to demand to be traded. Then to top it off, McDaniel trades Peyton Hillis for the bust Brady Quinn, then goes on to draft Tebow. Fox and Elway will have a major decision at the QB position after the season, especially if Tebow fails. I'm not quite aware of the salary cap situation, but Denver might as well try to trade Orton if possible. Orton would be a good backup for most any team and likely could walk into the the starters job in Miami now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mgs316 14 Posted October 11, 2011 Orton went through a similar situation in Chicago before he got traded to Denver, where Orton clearly outplayed Rex Grossman. Josh McDaniel certainly screwed things up in Denver during his time, especially when he alienated Cutler enough for Cutler to demand to be traded. Then to top it off, McDaniel trades Peyton Hillis for the bust Brady Quinn, then goes on to draft Tebow. Fox and Elway will have a major decision at the QB position after the season, especially if Tebow fails. I'm not quite aware of the salary cap situation, but Denver might as well try to trade Orton if possible. Orton would be a good backup for most any team and likely could walk into the the starters job in Miami now. ...or Minnesota. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted October 11, 2011 ...or Minnesota. Or Arizona Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackjohn 31 Posted October 11, 2011 or Philly Indy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,960 Posted October 11, 2011 Indy? Nah....they have set themselves up to get Andrew Luck......nice consolation prize for being crappy really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrbdmb 28 Posted October 11, 2011 Expect Orton to be moved before the deadline on the 18th. Too bad Denver probably won't get as much as they would have if they had dumped him in the preseason. Miami, Minnesota, and Seattle make sense. Then he can resign in Denver for more money next year when Tebow shows his true talent level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT 137 Posted October 11, 2011 Or Arizona No way. They sold their soul for Kolb. Can't abandon after 5 weeks. Whisenhunt is the one on the hot seat there, not the QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted October 11, 2011 Expect Orton to be moved before the deadline on the 18th. Too bad Denver probably won't get as much as they would have if they had dumped him in the preseason. Miami, Minnesota, and Seattle make sense. Then he can resign in Denver for more money next year when Tebow shows his true talent level. He's not mobile enough for Seattle's offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrG 103 Posted October 11, 2011 "He's not mobile enough for Seattle's offense." LOL, completely true and one of the funniest things I've read all year. IF he said, 'I'm happy being a backup', that does little to help his long-term value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harry_hood 1 Posted October 11, 2011 He's not mobile enough for Seattle's offense. he's also too neckbeardy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Gladstone 33 Posted October 11, 2011 he's also too neckbeardy Seattle hasn't seen a good neckbeard since the days of Krieg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,960 Posted October 11, 2011 Um no.....DONT expect him to get moved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,960 Posted October 12, 2011 Um no.....DONT expect him to get moved. Like i said....not going anywhere. Dumbarse Broncos.... ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that the Broncos are unlikely to deal Kyle Orton before the October 18 trade deadline. "He's going to finish the season in Denver," said Schefter on SportsCenter, "...because of that overbearing salary." Orton has a $7.379 million base salary, and any interested team would have to pay the majority of it if they were to acquire him. ESPN's John Clayton also considers an Orton trade unlikely. The Broncos should be kicking themselves for not completing an Orton trade when they had the chance with the Dolphins in late July. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted October 12, 2011 Like i said....not going anywhere. Dumbarse Broncos.... ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that the Broncos are unlikely to deal Kyle Orton before the October 18 trade deadline. "He's going to finish the season in Denver," said Schefter on SportsCenter, "...because of that overbearing salary." Orton has a $7.379 million base salary, and any interested team would have to pay the majority of it if they were to acquire him. ESPN's John Clayton also considers an Orton trade unlikely. The Broncos should be kicking themselves for not completing an Orton trade when they had the chance with the Dolphins in late July. Yup...should have traded them when they could have. Nobody is touching that $$$$ contract of his. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcmmidwest 155 Posted October 12, 2011 glad to see orton is home where he belongs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 159 Posted October 12, 2011 Who the hell runs the show over there in Denver? They have Brady Quinn number 2 on the depth chart since preseason and when they bench Orton, guess who comes in? This isn't healthy for a team that's rebuilding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 159 Posted October 12, 2011 Like i said....not going anywhere. Dumbarse Broncos.... ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that the Broncos are unlikely to deal Kyle Orton before the October 18 trade deadline. "He's going to finish the season in Denver," said Schefter on SportsCenter, "...because of that overbearing salary." Orton has a $7.379 million base salary, and any interested team would have to pay the majority of it if they were to acquire him. ESPN's John Clayton also considers an Orton trade unlikely. The Broncos should be kicking themselves for not completing an Orton trade when they had the chance with the Dolphins in late July. Can they cut him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blagrange 2 Posted October 12, 2011 Who the hell runs the show over there in Denver? They have Brady Quinn number 2 on the depth chart since preseason and when they bench Orton, guess who comes in? This isn't healthy for a team that's rebuilding. This is was a rumor that idiots bought into. He was never 3 rd string as I have seen parroted on this board endlessly as well as moronic sports writers etc.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,960 Posted October 12, 2011 Can they cut him? Sure....and hes got his guaranteed money. So yes they could be complete aholes and do that......my guess is they wont considering they know how crappy they treated him in this whole situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,960 Posted October 12, 2011 This is was a rumor that idiots bought into. He was never 3 rd string as I have seen parroted on this board endlessly as well as moronic sports writers etc.. He was listed as the 2nd string qb idiot. Coaches left and right have said Quinn looks better than Tebow. I think what we have now is an organization who knows it is losing support bc they are not playing the golden child. And things change quick.....and they got pressured to put him in when Orton struggled....and Tebow didnt look bad and the team played better. now they HAVE to start him. Im not saying thats a good thing or bad thing.....it is what it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themorey 1 Posted October 12, 2011 Can they cut him? Sure, but as a veteran who was on the active roster for Game 1 his salary became guaranteed. Since they have to pay him regardless they might as well keep him on the roster to take over when Tebow gets hurt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blagrange 2 Posted October 12, 2011 He was listed as the 2nd string qb idiot. Coaches left and right have said Quinn looks better than Tebow. I think what we have now is an organization who knows it is losing support bc they are not playing the golden child. And things change quick.....and they got pressured to put him in when Orton struggled....and Tebow didnt look bad and the team played better. now they HAVE to start him. Im not saying thats a good thing or bad thing.....it is what it is. That was a tactic to try and keep the fans at bay IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,960 Posted October 12, 2011 Sure, but as a veteran who was on the active roster for Game 1 his salary became guaranteed. Since they have to pay him regardless they might as well keep him on the roster to take over when Tebow gets hurt. Well yes and no. He already got his guaranteed money earlier this year...which i think was around 2 million. So the other i think 6 million is NOT guaranteed and is his regular paycheck. The original intent was to to sign him to a small guaranteed amount and high salary with the idea that Tebow would probably take over and orton cut.....but when Tebow struggled, and they botched a trade.....they had to pick him up. But they really are only picking up 2 million or so.....they will likely keep him and reward him the rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kyslick 0 Posted October 12, 2011 Orton to Dallas? Nice weapons, backing up Choke-o. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 798 Posted October 13, 2011 No way. They sold their soul for Kolb. Can't abandon after 5 weeks. Whisenhunt is the one on the hot seat there, not the QB. Kolb is still basically a rookie starter. ie. he has played less than 1 full season. they will give him a full year to get up to speed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted October 13, 2011 Orton to Dallas? Nice weapons, backing up Choke-o. Again...even Jerry is not going to pay that kind of $$$ to a backup QB. Nobody is trading to take on Orton's contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,960 Posted October 13, 2011 Again...even Jerry is not going to pay that kind of $$$ to a backup QB. Nobody is trading to take on Orton's contract. No hes not going anywhere. He hasnt said the exact words.....but i think Denver is going to just keep him and pay him the rest of the season as a gesture for how they have jammed him up in all of this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcmmidwest 155 Posted October 13, 2011 i got some inside information/connections from here in des moines.....word is he sucks...!!! & they over payed him..!! he will be back up in denver for the rest of the season & never play again because he sucks...!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,960 Posted October 13, 2011 i got some inside information/connections from here in des moines.....word is he sucks...!!! & they over payed him..!! he will be back up in denver for the rest of the season & never play again because he sucks...!!! Agreed. I think if Denver didnt care about interceptions......any one of us could throw for 34 yards in 30 minutes of football. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,433 Posted October 13, 2011 Well yes and no. He already got his guaranteed money earlier this year...which i think was around 2 million. So the other i think 6 million is NOT guaranteed and is his regular paycheck. The original intent was to to sign him to a small guaranteed amount and high salary with the idea that Tebow would probably take over and orton cut.....but when Tebow struggled, and they botched a trade.....they had to pick him up. But they really are only picking up 2 million or so.....they will likely keep him and reward him the rest. That is not how it works. A veteran who is on the roster on Day 1 of the season can have his entire salary for THAT SEASON guaranteed if he is cut. In this case, they would have to pay him the full $6M that he is owed if he chooses that route. The only caveat (I believe) is that a player can only do this once for their career. Larry Johnson did it in KC, but he was not able to do it in other places because he had already exercised that option. I would be shocked if Orton did not take the remainder of his salary if he was cut, so I cannot see them cutting him and letting him play elsewhere unless he became such a distraction (which I don't see happening). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,960 Posted October 13, 2011 That is not how it works. A veteran who is on the roster on Day 1 of the season can have his entire salary for THAT SEASON guaranteed if he is cut. In this case, they would have to pay him the full $6M that he is owed if he chooses that route. The only caveat (I believe) is that a player can only do this once for their career. Larry Johnson did it in KC, but he was not able to do it in other places because he had already exercised that option. I would be shocked if Orton did not take the remainder of his salary if he was cut, so I cannot see them cutting him and letting him play elsewhere unless he became such a distraction (which I don't see happening). Actually you are right. I thought he had taken his guaranteed exception like LJ when he was in chicago but he did not. So yes...he'll get paid either way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chroniciguana 13 Posted October 13, 2011 That is not how it works. A veteran who is on the roster on Day 1 of the season can have his entire salary for THAT SEASON guaranteed if he is cut. In this case, they would have to pay him the full $6M that he is owed if he chooses that route. The only caveat (I believe) is that a player can only do this once for their career. Larry Johnson did it in KC, but he was not able to do it in other places because he had already exercised that option. I would be shocked if Orton did not take the remainder of his salary if he was cut, so I cannot see them cutting him and letting him play elsewhere unless he became such a distraction (which I don't see happening). Right. Orton gets paid. However, Denver can (in theory) cut its losses by trading him with an agreement to cover a percentage of his salary - with Orton's new team picking up the rest. This makes him slightly more palatable. All the Broncos need is a buyer. Which makes all this theoretical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,433 Posted October 13, 2011 Right. Orton gets paid. However, Denver can (in theory) cut its losses by trading him with an agreement to cover a percentage of his salary - with Orton's new team picking up the rest. This makes him slightly more palatable. All the Broncos need is a buyer. Which makes all this theoretical. I am not sure that NFL trades can have cash as considerations. I thought that they could not as it was viewed as a way to circumvent the hard cap. I do know that there is an immediate cap hit for the trading team for any pro-rated amounts that are left on the contract (plus the full amount of the base salary for the season). That makes the trade less palatable from the Broncos perspective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 598 Posted October 13, 2011 Hey cyclone. What are your thoughts on Tebows situation if he produces? Say he leads them to an 8-8 season, and although he doesn't look pretty. He just wins games (AKA Doug Flutie). Do you think he's Elway and Fox's QB of the future? It almost seems that they can't wait for him to fail. But what if he doesn't. Do they turn face and say they believed in him all along or might a bridge be broken somewheres? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,960 Posted October 13, 2011 Hey cyclone. What are your thoughts on Tebows situation if he produces? Say he leads them to an 8-8 season, and although he doesn't look pretty. He just wins games (AKA Doug Flutie). Do you think he's Elway and Fox's QB of the future? It almost seems that they can't wait for him to fail. But what if he doesn't. Do they turn face and say they believed in him all along or might a bridge be broken somewheres? I dont know what it is about that guy....but you could see a noticeable difference when he entered the game.....and he didnt pass for crap. Its unreal. Oh and you know the Broncos will spin it...."Yep thats why we drafted him". Right. On the other hand....they had to make some change....34 yards in a half is sad. Tebows going to get his chance...ready or not. Sometimes thats all it takes for some guys. I think regardless of season outcome...unless he just loses all of them and looks terrible.....i think hes the guy now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JediMaster 20 Posted October 14, 2011 So the beginning of the end of Orton? At 28, I wouldn't think he is set on being just a backup unless his desire to play flew out the window Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted October 14, 2011 glad to see orton is home where he belongs Are you one of the genious Denver fans who paid for that billboard Your team is in great hands now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
effective 0 Posted October 14, 2011 So the beginning of the end of Orton? At 28, I wouldn't think he is set on being just a backup unless his desire to play flew out the window I dunno, maybe he has enough money and is tired of getting his ass kicked and zero respect as a starting QB. He could be ready to take his paycheck and work as a backup somewhere, at least then he's not being scrutinized every day, he still gets to be involved in professional football. Maybe he likes the idea of helping develop a young guy as well, who knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
