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Peyton Manning is the greatest QB of all time

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He's the one who started really took the hurry up offense to the point it's at today. Just walking up to the line calling out what the defense is doing and then picking it apart. I bet you Welker will agree that Peyton is better then Brady and I have Brady in my top 5. I think Montana is great but he had Rice and he had an amazing defense and supporting cast. Ill take Peyton over Montana any day of the week. One thing I know is Peyton isn't really a system QB like Montanta and Brady. Peyton run his own system. He's the GOAT.

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Statistically... Yes. But 14 years and only 1 championship.

 

But no doubt, watching this guy play is incredible. He is definitely the best QB to play the game IMO.

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Probably the greatest QB mind of all time. He has an average arm, and to have the success he's had given that limitation is quite remarkable. :thumbsup:

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Anyone see Matt Cassel this week? Best there is, was or will be. Ponder makes him look like Marino.

 

It's not really fair with the weapons manning has now. Slot white guy, possession white guy, physical freak on the outside, and Antonio gates 2.0.

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Look at how Payton's making Moreno look like a RB-1. right now, Moreno's > Rice, SJax, CJ2K, Spiller...etc

 

Fantasy Football will drive you insane....literally!!!

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He's the one who started really took the hurry up offense to the point it's at today. Just walking up to the line calling out what the defense is doing and then picking it apart. I bet you Welker will agree that Peyton is better then Brady and I have Brady in my top 5. I think Montana is great but he had Rice and he had an amazing defense and supporting cast. Ill take Peyton over Montana any day of the week. One thing I know is Peyton isn't really a system QB like Montanta and Brady. Peyton run his own system. He's the GOAT.

There's a strong case for Manning as the no.1 all time. But first lets get out of the way that Montana won a SB before Rice got there. Also he took his teams to 4 SB, never lost one nor threw a single int in any of them. I feel it's impossible to rank Peyton who notoriously chokes in the playoffs over Joe despite the better regular season stats. I'm not entirely a SB or playoffs guy, but at some point u have to draw a line in the sand and say ur top all time qb Has to have at least a certain level of postseason clutch combined with great career stats.

 

I still rank it

Joe- good stats for the era, playoff prowess can't be ignored.

Peyton- too good as a pure qb.

Brady- won from kicks or cheating. No clutch last decade.

Favre- rewrote records, wasn't always int prone. Too many records to ignore, including WINS.

Elway- Won 2 and has great stats, a nudge over Unitas but its close

Unitas- not a big lot timey era lover but he deserves props.

 

 

Not included- Marino. Never won, is erased in the record books by favre. Had a couple great years, yawwwwn.

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Very hard to argue against Peyton at this point. Records are made to be broken and the game changes over time. That is why for most of us we like to compare with the current and recent eras, instead of reaching further and further into the past.

 

While I believe Montana, Marino, Favre are all great QBs I've watched in my lifetime, and Brady is a great now, I just can't realistically put anyone ahead of Peyton. Guy is amazing.

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Joe Montana is the greatest quarterback I've ever watched. Manning is the most skilled quarterback I've ever seen play the game. Dan Marino is the most entertaining I've ever watched.

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Could you imagine manning throwing to rice?? It amazes me when he does actually get sacked, he's too smart not to get rid of the ball quickly

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He's a great QB who's playing absolutely lights-out right now, but greatest of all time? I think you HAVE to win multiple titles to be in that conversation. Maybe after this year if he doesn't fizzle out in the playoffs again.

 

Montana and Brady both have the edge on him right now. There may be more. I'd say his own brother has a better claim with two titles but holy sh!t has Eli fallen apart.

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I don't think QBs should carry the entire weight of winning or losing championships. It's like saying you can't be the best batter of all time or best catch of all time if you didn't win multiple championships. It's a team game, not tennis or golf where you can use championships as a measure of greatness.

 

In modern era I would say him and Brady are 1A and 1B in no particular order.

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let Montana play in this era where the defense cant actually play defense and see what he could have done....

 

This is a great point, modern era you have DBs not able to even touch a WR and even after a WR catches it you have to ask for permission to hit them.

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Manning is the greatest field general I've ever seen play the position. But I'm hesitant to say he is the best overall qb of all time...... Is it me or does Peyton seem to throw a lot of wobbly balls?

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let Montana play in this era where the defense cant actually play defense and see what he could have done....

 

Truth.

 

The DBs used to be able to absolutely mug receivers off the line, and they could basically make contact with receivers up until the ball was in the air. Timing patterns are a modern response to changes in the rules that essentially forbade DBs to touch receivers.

 

Montana would have been sick in this day and age.

 

That being said, I think Manning would have done well in any era, too.

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+1 for Joe Montana but anyone who wants to put Manning #1 is understandable or Brady for that matter.

Me, I'll take Montana - his body of work is complete and his Legend has had time to stew.

 

Manning and Brady are great too - but their big stats are coming at a time when Phil Rivers throws for 400/week too.

 

And let's slow down a bit with anointing Manning the Godfather of no-huddle and playing fast - Jim Kelly and the KGun have dibs on that title.

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Probably the greatest QB mind of all time. He has an average arm, and to have the success he's had given that limitation is quite remarkable. :thumbsup:

 

Isn't unbelievable when you watch him throw the ball and you think there is no way it is going to get to the WR in time and yet it does. I'm always amazed by that. He overcomes it because he has great timing (and understanding of every play/defense, etc...).

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To be considered the best you have to be clutch when it matters. I don't think clutch when I think Manning. The Super Bowl against the Saints is the perfect example. When I think clutch, I think Montana.

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I do think Peyton Manning is one of the greatest qb's to play this game. Certainly great during the regular season with a record of 158-70. But his 9-11 playoff record isn't the greatest. And as Dsausage said 8 one and dones doesn't look good either. Especially if your comparing Manning to Montana's 16-7 playoff record. I do think Peyton is ahead of Brady but Tom's numbers are pretty darn good 140-39 regular season record and a 17-7 playoff record.

 

Let Peyton win acouple more Super Bowls then he'll have the numbers to compete with the best.

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Did Montana not have one of the greatest offensive minds coaching his team? Where would Montana be without Rice and Walsh? Steve Young is proof how much Rice and Walsh help. Your telling me if Marino and Montana switched teams Marino wouldn't have won championships? Lets get real. Manning is the best QB hands down. He makes Thomas looks like Gates. He could take any team and make them great.

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I do think Peyton Manning is one of the greatest qb's to play this game. Certainly great during the regular season with a record of 158-70. But his 9-11 playoff record isn't the greatest. And as Dsausage said 8 one and dones doesn't look good either. Especially if your comparing Manning to Montana's 16-7 playoff record. I do think Peyton is ahead of Brady but Tom's numbers are pretty darn good 140-39 regular season record and a 17-7 playoff record.

 

Let Peyton win acouple more Super Bowls then he'll have the numbers to compete with the best.

 

If not for Spygate, how many SBs would Peyton have won? How many would Brady have won? Maybe Brady has none, and Peyton is sitting at 4 right now. We don't know.

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Clutch when it matters? Okay really think about this. Brady matches his team down against Oakland in the AFC championship game and Adam Vinatierie hits a HUGE kick. What IF he misses that kick in the snow? What if he misses that kick in the Super Bowl? Well Manning has marched his team down in the playoffs and his FG kicker has let him down and missed HUGE kicks that's the difference. Manning is clutch but his Kicker hasn't been. I know for a FACT most if most of you were paid Millions to be a GM and had to pick Montana or Manning you would pick Manning. I'm not talking supporting cast I'm not talking coaches I'm talking starting a franchise with 1 player...How could you possibly pick Montanta who was a system QB who was surrounded by Studs who would Moreno,Thomas and Decker be without Manning?

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Peyton is one of the best of this age. (Brady & don't forget Brees)

 

Montana is the best of a different age.

 

These are apples and oranges.

 

I don't think Peyton would be anything like he is now in the football of yesterday. Not only could defenses mug wideouts but they were not so kind to QB's either. Keep in mind Peyton got his neck banged up in the "gentle age" of football. I don't think he could have stood up to the pounding of the past. I think if you put Peyton in that era of football... at best... he'd be named Dan Marino.

 

On the flip side, I have to think Dan Marino sometimes sits there looking at todays game films and thinks... "Damnit, I'd have 4 rings right now if this was the way the game was played back then."

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Peyton is one of the best of this age. (Brady & don't forget Brees)

 

Montana is the best of a different age.

 

These are apples and oranges.

 

I don't think Peyton would be anything like he is now in the football of yesterday. Not only could defenses mug wideouts but they were not so kind to QB's either. Keep in mind Peyton got his neck banged up in the "gentle age" of football. I don't think he could have stood up to the pounding of the past. I think if you put Peyton in that era of football... at best... he'd be named Dan Marino.

 

On the flip side, I have to think Dan Marino sometimes sits there looking at todays game films and thinks... "Damnit, I'd have 4 rings right now if this was the way the game was played back then."

 

He probably also thinks he'd have a 6k yardage season. And he very well might have.

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Peyton is one of the best of this age. (Brady & don't forget Brees)

 

Montana is the best of a different age.

 

These are apples and oranges.

 

I don't think Peyton would be anything like he is now in the football of yesterday. Not only could defenses mug wideouts but they were not so kind to QB's either. Keep in mind Peyton got his neck banged up in the "gentle age" of football. I don't think he could have stood up to the pounding of the past. I think if you put Peyton in that era of football... at best... he'd be named Dan Marino.

 

On the flip side, I have to think Dan Marino sometimes sits there looking at todays game films and thinks... "Damnit, I'd have 4 rings right now if this was the way the game was played back then."

 

I agree with this and was going to make the same comment about the protection of QB's these days...Granted most of the rules are relatively new.

 

When I think about the greatest of all time, it has to be someone who played a long time, has solid career stats, was tough as nails, and was clutch. Peyton isn't there yet in my book.

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I agree with you bobby. Peyton Manning is one of the few qb's that can make any team better. I love Peyton Manning but his chokability in the playoffs is well documented. I do think he will improve on his losing record in the playoffs while he's here in Denver and he's on the right path to adding 1 or more Super Bowls to his HOF resume but until then.

 

As far as Montana having Rice & Walsh during his career I do think he was lucky to be surrounded with great players and coaches but Bill Walsh never threw any passes for Montana or make and split second decisions for him. All Walsh could do is set Montana up for success. Joe is the one who had to execute those plays which he did with a lot of success. There is no doubt that Rice and Montana helped each other on the field and it's not a coincidence both are considered to be the GOAT at their positions.

 

I hope Peyton and the Broncos continue to dominate.

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Peyton's playoff flameouts have killed his legacy to this point as a top overall contender. I totally agree that SB should not be the sole judge of a player at all. But overall postseason prowess is heavily weighted to me. Very heavily. Brady gets that edge but spy gate kills it for me, plus the tuck rule, Adams kicks etc, just adds up to a slight taint in the legacy. So then we add Peyton's utter skill, 4 mvps, another on the way for sure, and we have enough to overlook the one and done playoff flameouts just to balance it.

 

But all that is only good for 2nd and 3rd. Consider the negatives people bring up when talking Montana..Different era, yea it was, wrs could be mauled yet he still had fantastic numbers and never threw a single int in 4 SB! Jerry Rice...Ok cool, he won a SB before Rice got there, next. Walsh. Yea Walsh really won tons of big games before he had Joe, wrong, he needed the right guy for his system. The nfl works like that, the right guys come together at the right time.

 

Sorry but Peyton needs another SB to enter the convo and erase his growing list of playoff failures.

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Peyton had some below average playoff games earlier in his career. But his last 5 playoff losses he's played pretty well, actually very much in line with his career averages. 64.4% completion percentage in those 5 losses. 1,625 yards (325 yards per game). 9 TD's. 5 INT's. BUT his defense has given up an average of about 28 points in those games. It's tough to win in the playoffs that way.

 

Remember, Peyton literally dragged the Colts to 10-14 wins from 2002 to 2010 despite having some pretty poor defenses most of those years (usually in the bottom half or the bottom third of the league). When the Niners were winning Super Bowls, they literally had a top 10 defense every time, and often a top 5 defense.

 

I absolutely hate the Super Bowl crutch/argument when it comes to these type of discussions. The QB position is very important in the NFL, but there are still 30+ other guys on the roster that have a pretty big impact on wins and losses, especially in the playoffs.

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Probably the greatest QB mind forehead of all time. He has an average arm, and to have the success he's had given that limitation is quite remarkable. :thumbsup:

Dude has a solid forehead

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Nope Joe Montana was and is the greatest football player in my lifetime. He was a surgeon with a football and he won championships, all the while looking like the water boy. If you were playing backyard football and hadn't seen him throw he would probably get picked up late. Manning number two and Brady number three, after that you could list about 10 about the same.

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Some of you guys need to take off your fantasy glasses and remember that the object of football is to win championships.

 

Joe Montana career playoffs: 16-7 (14-5 with San Fran). 4-0 in Super Bowls. 45-21 TD/INT ratio.

Peyton Manning career playoffs: 9-11. 1-1 in Super Bowls. 28-19 TD/INT ratio.

 

A whopping 8 times Peyton Manning-led teams have been one-and-done in the playoffs. The defining moment of his career was a pick-6 to lose the Super Bowl to New Orleans.

 

Montana was one-and-done only 3 times, which is the same number of Super Bowl MVPs he owns (still the record). He nearly guided a mediocre KC team to the Super Bowl at the end of his career. And he threw arguably the 2 most famous passes in NFL history: "The Catch" to Dwight Clark, sending the 49ers to their first Super Bowl, and Montana-to-Taylor, still the only game-winning TD pass in the final minute of a Super Bowl, I think.

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Your telling me if Marino and Montana switched teams Marino wouldn't have won championships?.

No.

I am willing to bet you are between the age of 17-25.

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Montana-to-Taylor, still the only game-winning TD pass in the final minute of a Super Bowl, I think.

 

Rapistburger to Holmes against the Cards. I know because I am a Cards fan. :(

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NOT SO FAST , Tebow looked like a world beater on the Bronko's without Welker

Is this Lee Corso ?

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He's the one who started really took the hurry up offense to the point it's at today. Just walking up to the line calling out what the defense is doing and then picking it apart. I bet you Welker will agree that Peyton is better then Brady and I have Brady in my top 5. I think Montana is great but he had Rice and he had an amazing defense and supporting cast. Ill take Peyton over Montana any day of the week. One thing I know is Peyton isn't really a system QB like Montanta and Brady. Peyton run his own system. He's the GOAT.

 

No doubt in my mind.

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You want to be "the Greatest of all time"? Then you have to be the answer to one question, I have to win one game, who`s my starting QB? Peyton Manning would not be in my top 5 nevermind my 1`st choice. You can`t really compare stats from one era to another but you can ALWAYS compare big wins, using this as a second "greatest" criteria again Manning isn`t in the top 5 maybe top 10.

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