stonewall 647 Posted August 20, 2018 33 years old....had a couple of fantastic games with AZ last season, and a couple of horrible ones. We all know the glory days are far gone, but does he have ANY value? In the league where I have already drafted, I would have to drop Lat Murray (whom I have as my D. Cook cuff) to grab ADP. Prolly gonna find room for him somewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackills 19 Posted August 20, 2018 he might not even make it out preseason.. i would hold off on any Skins Rbs not names Thompson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,814 Posted August 20, 2018 Maybe really really late as a flyer. But at the end of a draft I mean he is a starter that is a 2 down back on a improved offense? You could do a lot worse I suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 1,879 Posted August 20, 2018 Nope. Well, not me anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snatchit 108 Posted August 21, 2018 I falled for that bannana in the tail pipe last year with NO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 21, 2018 Worth a late pick but nah not me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 608 Posted August 21, 2018 I don't think he's anyting more than a placeholder/insudarnace policy until the injured RBs on the roster are ready to return. I wouldn't be drafting him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillygrrl08 139 Posted August 21, 2018 Not even in a 28 round best ball league Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 403 Posted August 21, 2018 It's a long shot but if you're very desperate at RB he may be worth a flier. He's not played much in recent memory so he may be fresher. I think he's done though. Don't expect him to be a feature back in any case. A good game or two against weaker competition is your best outlook. Worst is well, nothing at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted August 21, 2018 He’s not going too even play in a reg season game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted August 22, 2018 Another view. ADP had a solid season in Arizona when they finally ran him. Season was cut short. He appears to be in great shape. RB2 numbers aren't out of the question. Anyone short on RBs would be wise to take a flyer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted August 22, 2018 Rb2 numbers. Come on now. I disagree about that. I wouldnt draft him. Hes done. His last 19 games hes avg 2.9 yards per rush. And last season his last 6 games with Zona, he avg 4.5 in three of them and 1.7 in the other three. I dont see him being able too even come close too a rb2 ff point total. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted August 22, 2018 Rb2 numbers. Come on now. I disagree about that. I wouldnt draft him. Hes done. His last 19 games hes avg 2.9 yards per rush. And last season his last 6 games with Zona, he avg 4.5 in three of them and 1.7 in the other three. I dont see him being able too even come close too a rb2 ff point total. That he is not 2012 ADP, doesn't make him garbage. An RB2 in a 12 teamer gains between 750 - 940 yards with 3-8 TDs. Based on last year he is perfectly capable of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 22, 2018 That he is not 2012 ADP, doesn't make him garbage. An RB2 in a 12 teamer gains between 750 - 940 yards with 3-8 TDs. Based on last year he is perfectly capable of that. That doesnt win you games though. No one wants an RB2 as their RB2, you need an RB1 as your RB2. The guys who score a lot of points (points scored is far greater measure of success than wins) are the teams that have breakout studs at their RB2 and WR2 positions. That means mining upside and untapped potential, finding value and the guys who play above their draft position. Those numbers you listed are more befitting of a flex or bye week fill in. Which is fine for a late pick but without upside hes a tough sell for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maulers1973 117 Posted August 22, 2018 Probably better flier candidates with higher ceilings at the end of the draft than this old dude. lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted August 22, 2018 That doesnt win you games though. No one wants an RB2 as their RB2, you need an RB1 as your RB2. The guys who score a lot of points (points scored is far greater measure of success than wins) are the teams that have breakout studs at their RB2 and WR2 positions. That means mining upside and untapped potential, finding value and the guys who play above their draft position. Those numbers you listed are more befitting of a flex or bye week fill in. Which is fine for a late pick but without upside hes a tough sell for me. Been doing this for 20 years and chasing untapped potential and slamming the wire for a spot starting rook is no different than grabbing a vet, hoping he has some gas in the tank. Sometimes it pays and sometimes it doesn't. Trust me, washed up Emmitt Smith get 937 and 9 back in 2002 and his owner was ecstatic. If he is on a roster on opening day, ADP is worth a serious look. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted August 23, 2018 I won’t even have him on my cheat sheet. I think he’s simply a big reach by the Redskins who wants too put buts in the seats and they need some one too help at the rb position. I recall Foster who went too the Dolphins too be the guy, and didn’t last very long. I’m sorry but the great Peterson’s time has come and gone. No disrespect. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
knight11e 10 Posted August 23, 2018 He's basically free, so why not take him and see what happens week 1? People probably have less likely lottery tickets on their rosters already. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted August 23, 2018 I think you should. I don’t want too based on a short bench. No reason too waste it on a player that will be gone soon. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redsrback 30 Posted August 23, 2018 Im hoping somebody gets nostalgic and picks him up around the 8th, but agree with some others, upside might be a back-up somewhere else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 23, 2018 Im hoping somebody gets nostalgic and picks him up around the 8th, but agree with some others, upside might be a back-up somewhere else. This is entirely possible. By round 8 there are people who are getting impatient and just reach formguys they like that they could have later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted August 24, 2018 I'm treating him like Gore, but folks need to stop pretending he is 100 percent done. Do you remember the mad rush people made to the waiver wire last season when Arizona actually blocked for him? We all know he's not 20-something AD anymore, but Washington has a good o-line when it is healthy and should give him better game scripts. If folks don't believe he can stay healthy and want to avoid him b/c of that, I'm OK with that. But to say the likely early-down back in Washington - behind essentially the same line that made Fat Rob worth starting two years ago - won't be at least a decent flex option on occasion is hard for me to believe. Think RB4 and a decent bye-week filler, albeit one with a difficult schedule. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted August 24, 2018 I hope post number 22 is taking seriously. It might even up his adp. And for me that would be great. Put me down for he is done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted August 24, 2018 I hope post number 22 is taking seriously. It might even up his adp. And for me that would be great. Put me down for he is done. I'm not saying he's going to be a fantasy team centerpiece. He's going to be heavily game-script dependent. He may not last six games based on his recent injury history. But is he worth a draft pick, sure? I'd like to think that AD didn't sign with a team for the hope he was going to be the main early-down back, right? I currently have him at #102 on the PPR Big Board at RB40. In other words, roughly the same place I have Marlon Mack, who is hurt now and likely stuck in a committee when he returns. I'm open to having my mind changed if he looks terrible this weekend. Are you? At RB40, it's nice to get three or four useful games out of a guy. I think he still has enough to do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,460 Posted August 24, 2018 I dont know about that, Im sure Peterson sees an opportunity to be the rb1 on a team that has been hit hard during the preseason with injuries a the rb postion. Im having a tough time looking at his last 193 rush att for those 601 yards for a per rush avg of 3.1. I dont see a player that at his age and the lack of quality of play weve indeed seen from him being anything more then that 3.1 avg. Last season with Zona he did have theee really good games in which he did avg 4.5 yards per rush, but also had three other games in which he avg 1.7 yards per rush. I couldnt take a chance on a player I dont feel like a can trust. Not even a flyer. I think his time has passed. Where not going to see enough of Peterson this weekend to change anyones mind. Why would they risk another injury to another rb and expecally a rb thats been banged up pretty good. Post #24 wasnt at all a judgement of your statement, but it was actuality an attempt to encourage for more positive talk about mr Peterson. I do a live draft and many of them read these post. As for me Im out, Im not touching him or even going to think about doing so. Always a pleasure thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted August 24, 2018 I dont know about that, Im sure Peterson sees an opportunity to be the rb1 on a team that has been hit hard during the preseason with injuries a the rb postion. Im having a tough time looking at his last 193 rush att for those 601 yards for a per rush avg of 3.1. I dont see a player that at his age and the lack of quality of play weve indeed seen from him being anything more then that 3.1 avg. Last season with Zona he did have theee really good games in which he did avg 4.5 yards per rush, but also had three other games in which he avg 1.7 yards per rush. I couldnt take a chance on a player I dont feel like a can trust. Not even a flyer. I think his time has passed. Where not going to see enough of Peterson this weekend to change anyones mind. Why would they risk another injury to another rb and expecally a rb thats been banged up pretty good. Post #24 wasnt at all a judgement of your statement, but it was actuality an attempt to encourage for more positive talk about mr Peterson. I do a live draft and many of them read these post. As for me Im out, Im not touching him or even going to think about doing so. Always a pleasure thank you. I get it and I don't take anything I read on here or Twitter personally, so no worries. I can't imagine ranking him any higher than I have him now. I think that is his best-case scenario. But think about why AD had three good games and three poor ones. Good game scripts and heavy workloads were a common theme in his good games. Poor game scripts and defenses (specifically d-lines) capable of whipping Arizona's poor o-line were a common theme in his bad ones. However, if Gruden decides Alex Smith needs to be in the shotgun the majority of the time, that's going to bring this argument to a swift end in your favor. AD doesn't run well out of the gun and needs to line up seven yards in the backfield in order to be at his best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted August 25, 2018 Looks decent tonight... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soupy 0 Posted August 25, 2018 He is running hard tonight. Can he last a long season? But he does look better than the other backs the skins have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raider 84 29 Posted August 25, 2018 Thas's what your getting this year. A wasted roster spot by drafting him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aggiewildlife 0 Posted August 25, 2018 33 years old....had a couple of fantastic games with AZ last season, and a couple of horrible ones. His "couple of good games" were when they gave him the ball all day long. In those 2 games where he broke 100 yards, he averaged 31.5 carries. That number of carries is not sustainable for anybody really, let alone somebody of his age. So sure, you could hold out hope he'd get a couple games here and there like that where they give him the ball on every play, but you're going to get alot of stinkers in between. I have no problem with people grabbing him as a late round flyer, but don't expect much. I will pass on all Washington RB's, that's for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njacinto 4 Posted August 25, 2018 On a related note.... If you're picking up a 3rd RB in a ppr12 league, would you pick up ADP, P. Barber, or C. Carson? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aggiewildlife 0 Posted August 25, 2018 On a related note.... If you're picking up a 3rd RB in a ppr12 league, would you pick up ADP, P. Barber, or C. Carson? Barber or Carson should be taken way sooner than ADP. I'd probably take Barber as Penny may take over for Carson at some point. That may be true too of Jones and Barber but Jones has reportedly been horrible at just about everything thus far. But both are still light years ahead of ADP in my view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted August 25, 2018 Grabbed ADP in last round tonight. Perfect spot....no investment, but with RB2 upside. Always needing a disposable roster spot if he falls off a cliff. Very pleased. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted August 25, 2018 Barber or Carson should be taken way sooner than ADP. I'd probably take Barber as Penny may take over for Carson at some point. That may be true too of Jones and Barber but Jones has reportedly been horrible at just about everything thus far. But both are still light years ahead of ADP in my view. I would ask you to look at this collection of runs from Jones and the commentary that goes along with each one from "The RB Scout" https://twitter.com/TheRBScout/status/1032467836462133248 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted August 25, 2018 His "couple of good games" were when they gave him the ball all day long. In those 2 games where he broke 100 yards, he averaged 31.5 carries. That number of carries is not sustainable for anybody really, let alone somebody of his age. So sure, you could hold out hope he'd get a couple games here and there like that where they give him the ball on every play, but you're going to get alot of stinkers in between. I have no problem with people grabbing him as a late round flyer, but don't expect much. I will pass on all Washington RB's, that's for sure. Why did they give him the ball all day long in those games? Positive game scripts against mostly soft defensive lines (or at least at the time they played them). The same thing I've been saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 25, 2018 Your window for last round flier is closed. He will now be late mid round RB3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted August 25, 2018 Your window for last round flier is closed. He will now be late mid round RB3. people just seem, understandably, gun-shy. Will know after tomorrow nights draft if his performance tonight bumped him up noticeably. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xxxdog 23 Posted August 25, 2018 I would be shocked if AP was productive 2018 or worthy to be drafted in fantasy before the top dozen rounds....Age is one thing {33} but a RB who was cut by 3-teams in the last couple years running on multiple ACL-repaired knees and a sharp decline in once upon explosive speed will only be a short fill-in for the needy Skins....The only back I would own on my roster from Washington would be Thompson when he is back from his injury, most likely as a bye week patch......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 212 Posted August 25, 2018 I don't think anyone is expecting him to last long enough to reach 200 carries. I know I'm not. With that said, as a RB4/5 type, you just hope you can count on 15 carries when you need a back in a bye-week crunch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites