Is there a way to stop the shootings?

[edjr 6,580]

Just now, vuduchile said:

Yep.  Sad that the so people see every issue as either a liberal or conservative problem.  This is neither.  It's just a focking problem, and a pretty serious one.  

Maybe legalizing prostitution will be one way to stop the gun violence?

[mmmmm...beer 803]

1 hour ago, vuduchile said:

An Indian Reservation in WA

Can't really cherry pick these events without knowing the circumstances.  This one wasn't random.  Thug violence.

[iam90sbaby 2,599]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

In your opinion.  I disagree, especially compared to a lot of the crap spewed in these threads.  It's pretty bad but that's the theme here.

I mean it’s technically an opinion by definition but anyone without blinders on knows you’re wrong 

[edjr 6,580]

I am seeing it a little more clearly now. Trump is allowed to pay for prostitutes and get laid without penalty. these lonely incel losers cannot pay for prostitutes. In a way, it is Trump's fault

[vuduchile 1,945]

3 minutes ago, edjr said:

Maybe legalizing prostitution will be one way to stop the gun violence?

Nevada's murder rate was the highest in the nation in 2017.  I don't think that's gonna help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate

[edjr 6,580]

1 minute ago, vuduchile said:

Nevada's murder rate was the highest in the nation in 2017.  I don't think that's gonna help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate

Prostitution is not legal in Las Vegas.  That is a problem.

[Hawkeye21 2,398]

Yep.  You guys got it all figured out.

[vuduchile 1,945]

6 minutes ago, mmmmm...beer said:

Can't really cherry pick these events without knowing the circumstances.  This one wasn't random.  Thug violence.

My only point with that post was to illustrate how there's no real trend for where these tragedies happen, except for schools.  

[MDC 7,339]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Hand said:

That doesn't change the fact about the conditions and crime in those cities.

Some perspective: National murder rates are at their lowest levels in decades. Since 2010, the number of homicides per 100,000 people in the nation has remained steady, fluctuating between a low of 4.4 and and a high of 4.9, year after year. Yet it is also true that after a long decline, murder rates have shot up in many urban areas, including Chicago, Houston, and Baltimore. 

Do you think Democratic mayors are responsible for the uptick in murder rates in those 3 cities and if so, do you credit Democratic mayors in the cities where crime fell during the same period?

[sderk 1,040]

Just now, MDC said:

Do you think Democratic mayors are responsible for the uptick in murder rates?

Yep.

[KSB2424 3,148]

1.  The U.S. is not a homogeneous country like Japan or Switzerland or etc. etc.   We are a melting pot which creates division.  It's human nature, and comparing crime rates in the the US to those countries creates false equivalencies. 

2.  The U.S. has the second amendment.  We are free to hunt, protect ourselves and our property.  Period.

3. There seems to be a rise in "mass domestic shootings" the past 20 years.  To pretend this doesn't coorelate with the advent of social media and video gaming would be naive.

4. I find the link to mental prescription drugs to these killers to be hard to blame.  a.) logic dictates that crazy people would be treated in the past for craziness  and b.) would we really want people who need treatment not to get it?   I think a better root cause analysis would be what is causing mental illness in the first place rather than focus on the treatment itself as some correlation.

5. There is no reason why certain weapons / ammo / etc. is legal.  We do not allow most automatic weapons because in the hand of a crazy person these weapons would do the most damage the quickest.  This logic can be used for other types of weapons commonly sold in the U.S.  Enforcing current laws and creating a broader range of guns that are newly deemed illegal makes common sense.

6.  Even if magically ALL guns were outlawed and destroyed crazy people will still do crazy things.  i.e. homemade bombs, arson, stabbings, on and on.  Which leads me to the actual root cause analysis opposed to the vehicle used. 

All of this can be true at once.

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Do you think Democratic mayors are responsible for the uptick in murder rates in those 3 cities and if so, do you credit Democratic mayors in the cities where crime fell during the same period?

Absolutely do give credit for lowering crime if there are any. 

[vuduchile 1,945]

Neil actually has a good point here, but he's getting slammed for it.  

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/neil-degrasse-tyson-mass-shootings-el-paso-dayton-tweet-195443279.html

 

In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose…

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun

Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

[Mr. Hand 482]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Do you think Democratic mayors are responsible for the uptick in murder rates in those 3 cities and if so, do you credit Democratic mayors in the cities where crime fell during the same period?

https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams/01/19/who-benefits-from-democratic-control

[MDC 7,339]

Just now, Mr. Hand said:

https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams/01/19/who-benefits-from-democratic-control

White flag right here.

[edjr 6,580]

1 minute ago, KSB2424 said:

 

3. There seems to be a rise in "mass domestic shootings" the past 20 years.  To pretend this doesn't coorelate with the advent of social media and video gaming would be naive.

 

 

Good point. I was so on the edge during high school, had someone said the wrong thing about me on facebook, I'd have killed everyone. Not till I was done playing super mario 

[Mr. Hand 482]

Just now, MDC said:

White flag right here.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/how-decades-of-democratic-rule-ruined-some-of-our-finest-cities/

[vuduchile 1,945]

This is where the system failed us in OH.

Both former classmates told The Associated Press that Betts was suspended during their junior year at suburban Bellbrook High School after a hit list was found scrawled in a school bathroom. That followed an earlier suspension after Betts came to school with a list of female students he wanted to sexually assault, according to the two classmates, a man and a woman who are both now 24 and spoke on condition of anonymity out of concern they might face harassment.

"There was a kill list and a rape list, and my name was on the rape list," said the female classmate.

How is a kid like that allowed to get guns and walk among us?  

[edjr 6,580]

You know. If Trump went Hitler and had all the liberals killed, we might be a better country,.

[edjr 6,580]

1 minute ago, vuduchile said:

This is where the system failed us in OH.

Both former classmates told The Associated Press that Betts was suspended during their junior year at suburban Bellbrook High School after a hit list was found scrawled in a school bathroom. That followed an earlier suspension after Betts came to school with a list of female students he wanted to sexually assault, according to the two classmates, a man and a woman who are both now 24 and spoke on condition of anonymity out of concern they might face harassment.

"There was a kill list and a rape list, and my name was on the rape list," said the female classmate.

How is a kid like that allowed to get guns and walk among us?  

The problem is. what do you do with him? personally I say just castrate him and throw him in a prison cell for the rest of this life. But this is america, we have liberals, that's not allowed.

[Casual Observer 597]

55 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

Honestly, I don't know much about Antifa. I hear they are evil, and a large group wants to declare them a terrorist organization, but I guess the media isn't covering their terrorist attacks that kill lots of folks properly.

As for my railing against white supremacists and racists, that really shouldn't offend you.

You know plenty about Antifa and the media doesn't cover their street violence, nor does gov't. really prosecute them for this violence, which is, after all, terrorism with or without mass shootings.

You offend me because you're a mindless drone who goes around crying racism at every right wing position, such as border control and immigration, while demonizing "white people".  These two shooters were two of your own and happened to be "white people" and now you just don't know anything about the milieu that radicalized them.  Another disingenuous leftist.

[bostonlager 2,664]

2 minutes ago, edjr said:

You know. If Trump went Hitler and had all the liberals killed, we might be a better country,.

/thread

[sderk 1,040]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

You know. If Trump went Hitler and had all the liberals killed, we might be a better country,.

I just want to see Trump win in 2020 so I can see more videos of weeping liberals. 

[cbfalcon 825]

1 minute ago, Casual Observer said:

You know plenty about Antifa and the media doesn't cover their street violence, nor does gov't. really prosecute them for this violence, which is, after all, terrorism with or without mass shootings.

You offend me because you're a mindless drone who goes around crying racism at every right wing position, such as border control and immigration, while demonizing "white people".  These two shooters were two of your own and happened to be "white people" and now you just don't know anything about the milieu that radicalized them.  Another disingenuous leftist.

Okie Dokie Smokey

[Baker Boy 1,698]

1 hour ago, FeelingMN said:

Mention Chicago all you want, but a lot of red states have the highest gun deaths per capita in the country.  https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-by-gun-top-20-states-with-highest-rates/

If we wanna be honest about unnecessary gun deaths, we're gonna have to include all gun deaths.

And I haven't read the entire thread, maybe it has been mentioned but I think a huge contributing factor....other than being able to readily purchase high powered weaponry.....is the fact that we spend so much time online compared to 20-30 years ago.  This type of behavior isolates us and promotes mental issues.  https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-online-secrets/201608/new-link-between-depression-and-social-media-use

I think you see some of that at this place.  People are really angry....despite having these supposedly great lives.  Mad at the media.  At liberals.  At Trump.  And they spend hours here...and other sites....pounding their keyboard over society's ills.  And when you're doing that for hours each day....you're not talking with your neighbors or coworkers or kids. You're not connecting with anyone.  I think it has a negative impact.  

So increased isolation combined with mental issues combined with easily obtained guns and yeah, you're gonna get this type of thing.  Rather than pointing the finger, get some fresh air.  Talk to some folks.  Be a part of the community.  

Half of all gun deaths in the USA are suicides.

[lod001 1,344]

3 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

This is where the system failed us in OH.

Both former classmates told The Associated Press that Betts was suspended during their junior year at suburban Bellbrook High School after a hit list was found scrawled in a school bathroom. That followed an earlier suspension after Betts came to school with a list of female students he wanted to sexually assault, according to the two classmates, a man and a woman who are both now 24 and spoke on condition of anonymity out of concern they might face harassment.

"There was a kill list and a rape list, and my name was on the rape list," said the female classmate.

How is a kid like that allowed to get guns and walk among us?  

Because liberals will scream bloody murder since he has not actually committed a crime. You are infringing on his constitutional rights as a loser. Losers have rights until they commit the crime. THEN the liberal scream, why wasn't something done about this loser.

[Casual Observer 597]

1 hour ago, FeelingMN said:

Mention Chicago all you want, but a lot of red states have the highest gun deaths per capita in the country.  https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-by-gun-top-20-states-with-highest-rates/

If we wanna be honest about unnecessary gun deaths, we're gonna have to include all gun deaths.

And I haven't read the entire thread, maybe it has been mentioned but I think a huge contributing factor....other than being able to readily purchase high powered weaponry.....is the fact that we spend so much time online compared to 20-30 years ago.  This type of behavior isolates us and promotes mental issues.  https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-online-secrets/201608/new-link-between-depression-and-social-media-use

I think you see some of that at this place.  People are really angry....despite having these supposedly great lives.  Mad at the media.  At liberals.  At Trump.  And they spend hours here...and other sites....pounding their keyboard over society's ills.  And when you're doing that for hours each day....you're not talking with your neighbors or coworkers or kids. You're not connecting with anyone.  I think it has a negative impact.  

So increased isolation combined with mental issues combined with easily obtained guns and yeah, you're gonna get this type of thing.  Rather than pointing the finger, get some fresh air.  Talk to some folks.  Be a part of the community.  

No, we're concerned mainly about gun violence directed at others, as opposed to suicides, which compromise the majority of gun deaths.  Differentiating between the two is an honest approach.  Please take the rest of this message to the 8chan boards.

[vuduchile 1,945]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

The problem is. what do you do with him? personally I say just castrate him and throw him in a prison cell for the rest of this life. But this is america, we have liberals, that's not allowed.

He'd probably figure out a way to get a gun or make a bomb anyway, but couldn't he be put on some sorta national "Do Not Sell Guns to the Mentally unstable" list?  

And why didn't his dumb dead sister report his ass to somebody? She had to have seen him doing some kooky sh!t.  

[MDC 7,339]

Just now, vuduchile said:

He'd probably figure out a way to get a gun or make a bomb anyway, but couldn't he be put on some sorta national "Do Not Sell Guns to the Mentally unstable" list?  

And why didn't his dumb dead sister report his ass to somebody? She had to have seen him doing some kooky sh!t.  

My only issue with that type of list is that it could potentially dissuade people with mental illness from seeking / getting help. 

[Casual Observer 597]

4 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

Okie Dokie Smokey

Thanks for agreeing with me.

[sderk 1,040]

1 minute ago, sderk said:

I just want to see Trump win in 2020 so I can see more videos of weeping liberals. 

I bet cbfalcon and mdc were on the hillary losing videos crying along side their hairy legged girlfriends/boyfriends. 2020 will be grand if Trump wins that race. More libs openly weeping for reasons unknown to anyone. 

[mmmmm...beer 803]

It's been hit on several times here already in threads... but as a guy who sees it all the time... we need to bring back mental institutions for the violent crazies 

[vuduchile 1,945]

Just now, MDC said:

My only issue with that type of list is that it could potentially dissuade people with mental illness from seeking / getting help. 

That's certainly possible, but the guy already had 2 strikes IMO but was not on LEO's radar. Fail   

If you create rape and kill lists, you should probably be committed to a psych ward right away.  If it's not technically against the law, it probably should be.  Would it be considered stalking, threatening?  Where are the legal experts? 

[vuduchile 1,945]

4 minutes ago, mmmmm...beer said:

It's been hit on several times here already in threads... but as a guy who sees it all the time... we need to bring back mental institutions for the violent crazies 

Well, color me stoopid.  I didn't realize they were all gone.  

[edjr 6,580]

Just now, vuduchile said:

He'd probably figure out a way to get a gun or make a bomb anyway, but couldn't he be put on some sorta national "Do Not Sell Guns to the Mentally unstable" list?  

And why didn't his dumb dead sister report his ass to somebody? She had to have seen him doing some kooky sh!t.  

Right. Crazy gonna crazy. Focker should have been chained to the toilet at his house. 

[kilroy69 1,245]

Lets talk ssri inhibitors.  How many of these people have been on these? 

[bostonlager 2,664]

An hour into the first day of kindergarten you can tell who the nerds and outcasts are going to be. Put them all in a special retard class that emphasizes how to succeed in life despite the fact they are ugly and unathletic. Reinforce to them what losers they are so they don't grow up in a participation trophy world with false hope. 

[kilroy69 1,245]

6 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

An hour into the first day of kindergarten you can tell who the nerds and outcasts are going to be. Put them all in a special retard class that emphasizes how to succeed in life despite the fact they are ugly and unathletic. Reinforce to them what losers they are so they don't grow up in a participation trophy world with false hope. 

Obviously you are joking. However don't you feel like maybe an entire generation of kids that have been exposed to the participation trophies and the idea that you can be anything ya want are now crashing into the real world and realizing it was all a lie? 

 

No little Johnny you can't be a scientist if you can't read. You can be a gas station attendant. 

 

Wait. What? I thought I could do anything. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

A melting pot infers that immigrants assimilate into the established culture.  That is a good model for immigration.  Were not doing that.   The people immigrating keep their culture intact and try to get the established culture to change which creates division. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Legalize prostitution everywhere so all the incels get some regularly.  Put out and save lives.