drobeski 3,061 Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, MDC said: Biden withheld aid to Ukraine to force them to dig up dirt on a political rival? Wow. Much worse 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: You morons took a perfectly normal interaction between countries and twisted it into a coup. Which of course failed. You know it was wrong you admit to believing it will hurt Democrats in the fall. Yet you still defend it. What in the heII is your problem? Bingo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,382 Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, MDC said: Biden withheld aid to Ukraine to force them to dig up dirt on a political rival? Wow. You gotta give him credit, dude has this trolling bit down to a science. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 3,975 Posted February 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Fireballer said: You gotta give him credit, dude has this trolling bit down to a science. Eh, if people didn't bite it would stop happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,891 Posted February 17, 2020 16 minutes ago, drobeski said: Much worse He got his son a job through political connections?!?!? That kind of nepotism must really burn Trump’s bread. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 2,710 Posted February 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Strike said: Eh, if people didn't bite it would stop happening. Fake News, that dude will never stop trolling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, Baker Boy said: I am pointing out that the Dems new about Bolton long before impeachment was voted on and before the Senate hearings not after Trump’s defense........ Maybe they did. But it wasn't public knowledge what Bolton knew. The news of him dropping a book detailing first hand accounts of a quid pro quo happened after the start of the Senate trial. Trump's defense made it clear that the trial should center on the facts known and not what was floating around as rumor. Dershowitz's closing argument centered on Trump acting in the public good.....his re-election was for the good of the republic.....and it was a line of thinking that some Republican senators adopted: it really doesn't matter if Trump did anything wrong because what he's been accused of doing doesn't warrant removal from office. That's a totally different argument than he didn't do anything wrong. Like I said, dude is still in office. That's really the only fact that matters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, MDC said: He got his son a job through political connections?!?!? That kind of nepotism must really burn Trump’s bread. Much worse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: Maybe they did. But it wasn't public knowledge what Bolton knew. The news of him dropping a book detailing first hand accounts of a quid pro quo happened after the start of the Senate trial. Trump's defense made it clear that the trial should center on the facts known and not what was floating around as rumor. Dershowitz's closing argument centered on Trump acting in the public good.....his re-election was for the good of the republic.....and it was a line of thinking that some Republican senators adopted: it really doesn't matter if Trump did anything wrong because what he's been accused of doing doesn't warrant removal from office. That's a totally different argument than he didn't do anything wrong. Like I said, dude is still in office. That's really the only fact that matters. He didnt, just because Democrats claim and make up charges doesnt mean he did anything wrong. This was proven by his acquittal. Who said we will and we need to hear from the whistleblower ? Schiff Did we? No. why not ? Who said impeachment needs to be bipartisan ? Pelosi and Nadler. Was it? No. Why not ? It was a sham, we know it, you know it, anyone with an ounce of integrity and common sense knows it. Aquitted for life. Accept it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,485 Posted February 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: Maybe they did. But it wasn't public knowledge what Bolton knew. The news of him dropping a book detailing first hand accounts of a quid pro quo happened after the start of the Senate trial. Trump's defense made it clear that the trial should center on the facts known and not what was floating around as rumor. Dershowitz's closing argument centered on Trump acting in the public good.....his re-election was for the good of the republic.....and it was a line of thinking that some Republican senators adopted: it really doesn't matter if Trump did anything wrong because what he's been accused of doing doesn't warrant removal from office. That's a totally different argument than he didn't do anything wrong. Like I said, dude is still in office. That's really the only fact that matters. What did he do wrong? What was the crime? That is what matters! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,891 Posted February 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, drobeski said: Much worse Dont keep me in suspense Drobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 3,455 Posted February 17, 2020 The Democrats are playing with fire, for the now and for the future. They are impulsive, they lack good strategic common sense and seem nonchalant about how their behaviors might come back to them. Their immediacy in their pursuit of power will be their undoing. In the coming years they will learn the mob is no less of a mob just because they seem to be with you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, MDC said: Dont keep me in suspense Drobs. He focked up corn pop bro! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,891 Posted February 17, 2020 Just now, drobeski said: He focked up corn pop bro! 🏳 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,380 Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, FeelingMN said: Coups are illegal. Who's going to jail? If it is a normal interaction, show me where previous Presidents withheld aid in exchange for information? Literally, Obama and Joe Biden who withheld aid to get a guy fired. We've been over this plenty of times. Just because you guys keep ignoring it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Again, what is wrong with you? What kind of prescriptions are you on? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted February 17, 2020 4 hours ago, TimmySmith said: Yeah look at the troll here. Still bringing it up. And fake polls. No wonder their party is in such shambles. Poor MDCuck 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 17, 2020 Rival Lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,891 Posted February 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: Literally, Obama and Joe Biden who withheld aid to get a guy fired. We've been over this plenty of times. Just because you guys keep ignoring it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Nobody would care if Trump withheld aid to get a guy fired for legitimate US interests. The issue is withholding aid to compel a country to do opposition research for your campaign. For fock’s sake. 1 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, drobeski said: He didnt, just because Democrats claim and make up charges doesnt mean he did anything wrong. This was proven by his acquittal. Who said we will and we need to hear from the whistleblower ? Schiff Did we? No. why not ? Who said impeachment needs to be bipartisan ? Pelosi and Nadler. Was it? No. Why not ? It was a sham, we know it, you know it, anyone with an ounce of integrity and common sense knows it. Aquitted for life. Accept it. * 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 17, 2020 37 minutes ago, Baker Boy said: What did he do wrong? What was the crime? That is what matters! Nothing illegal but according to some Republican Senators it was inappropriate and impeachable conduct. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: * Does that make it feel better on the inside ? Keep on coping. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: Literally, Obama and Joe Biden who withheld aid to get a guy fired. We've been over this plenty of times. Just because you guys keep ignoring it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Again, what is wrong with you? What kind of prescriptions are you on? You mentioned coup.....I asked who's going to jail....and you bring up Obama and Biden getting a guy fired. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, drobeski said: Does that make it feel better on the inside ? Keep on coping. Truth. Third Prez impeached.....first trial without witnesses. No amount of alternative facts will ever change it. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,646 Posted February 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: Truth. Third Prez impeached.....first trial without witnesses. No amount of alternative facts will ever change it. Wait, there were no witnesses allowed? How on earth was that allowed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: Truth. Third Prez impeached.....first trial without witnesses. No amount of alternative facts will ever change it. There were 17 witnesses. Fact 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,646 Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, drobeski said: There were 17 witnesses. Fact I’m confused. Someone has this way wrong. Big time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I’m confused. Someone has this way wrong. Big time. Let them cope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted February 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: Truth. Third Prez impeached.....first trial without witnesses. No amount of alternative facts will ever change it. And as more and more corruption dribbels out, all those GOP senators who voted against allowing witnesses and became coconspirators in the cover up are going to look more and more corrupt. History is not going to be kind to Republican office holders during this administration. With the exception of John McCain and Mitt Romney. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, drobeski said: There were 17 witnesses. Fact 17 witnesses interviewed by the House Intelligence Committee. No witnesses called during the Senate Trial. First time ever. Fact. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,646 Posted February 17, 2020 I will agree there was most definitely no first hand witnesses, and yet he was somehow impeached. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 2,517 Posted February 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: 17 witnesses interviewed by the House Intelligence Committee. No witnesses called during the Senate Trial. First time ever. Fact. The Senate had all the info and documents from the 17 witnesses in the House. Your post makes no sense. there were plenty of witnesses. You really think after 17 witnesses with nothing but feelings and hearsay, that an 18th was THE ONE WITNESS that was going to put this sham over the top? Really? If you couldn't prove it with 17 witnesses then it's time to step back and ask yourself if you really have a case at all. You don't and you didn't. Full acquittal. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: 17 witnesses interviewed by the House Intelligence Committee. No witnesses called during the Senate Trial. First time ever. Fact. There's been a lot of first time evers...most began in the house. Care to go over them ? Cope buddy cope. You're celebrating a tipped ball in the 4th when you're down by 45. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Observer said: And as more and more corruption dribbels out, all those GOP senators who voted against allowing witnesses and became coconspirators in the cover up are going to look more and more corrupt. History is not going to be kind to Republican office holders during this administration. With the exception of John McCain and Mitt Romney. Meh....the Dems screwed it up. It's what they do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: The Senate had all the info and documents from the 17 witnesses in the House. Your post makes no sense. there were plenty of witnesses. You really think after 17 witnesses with nothing but feelings and hearsay, that an 18th was THE ONE WITNESS that was going to put this sham over the top? Really? There was an 18th... the IG...Schiff wouldn't let him testify in public. I wonder why... Same with the whistleblower... I wonder why. Maybe feelingbadsince11816 can fill us in. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: The Senate had all the info and documents from the 17 witnesses in the House. Your post makes no sense. there were plenty of witnesses. You really think after 17 witnesses with nothing but feelings and hearsay, that an 18th was THE ONE WITNESS that was going to put this sham over the top? Really? If you couldn't prove it with 17 witnesses, then it's time to step back and ask yourself if you really have a case at all. You don't and you didn't. Full acquittal. Just saying.....this was the first impeachment trial out of like 15 where the Senate did not call a single witness. I am certain that during those other trials witness testimony was already recorded before the trial. So there was nothing unique here....except that no witnesses were called. I'm not even lobbying for or against anything. Just stating facts. You guys are really tense. Thought it was MAGA time? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584 Posted February 17, 2020 6 hours ago, MDC said: Seems like Dems are less partisan than GOPers on this one. Seems like 16% of democrats understand the law Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted February 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, drobeski said: There was an 18th... the IG...Schiff wouldn't let him testify in public. I wonder why... Same with the whistleblower... I wonder why. Maybe feelingbadsince11816 can fill us in. Deep State? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,067 Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, FeelingMN said: * I thought this thread was about Trump. When did it switch over to the Patriots??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Observer 641 Posted February 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: Meh....the Dems screwed it up. It's what they do. How? They played the hand they were dealt. Trump refused to cooperate with Congress and trump.knew the courts would take a year or more to rule on subpoenas. As most career criminals, he knows how to play the system. Then it went to the Senate and they agreed to take part in the cover up. They ended up getting him impeached. He's impeached today. He'll he impeached tomorrow. And he'll be an impeached president for all of time. Pelosi knew there was zero chance of getting him removed. That wasn't her intention. And all those no votes on the senators' record will be impossible to explain as Bolton talks and more comes out with Parnas and Furmman and even possibly Giuliani. There's absolutely nothing positive Trump go out of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,584 Posted February 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, The Observer said: How? They played the hand they were dealt. Trump refused to cooperate with Congress and trump.knew the courts would take a year or more to rule on subpoenas. As most career criminals, he knows how to play the system. Then it went to the Senate and they agreed to take part in the cover up. They ended up getting him impeached. He's impeached today. He'll he impeached tomorrow. And he'll be an impeached president for all of time. Pelosi knew there was zero chance of getting him removed. That wasn't her intention. And all those no votes on the senators' record will be impossible to explain as Bolton talks and more comes out with Parnas and Furmman and even possibly Giuliani. There's absolutely nothing positive Trump go out of it. Except millions of more votes and a house that’s gonna flip 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites