Coronavirus - Doomsday

[drobeski 3,061]

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2020/05/08/coronavirus-patient-arrested-after-leaving-nashville-quarantine/3098005001/

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, drobeski said:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2020/05/08/coronavirus-patient-arrested-after-leaving-nashville-quarantine/3098005001/

Black guy wanting to get back to the streets or white guy looking to save the economy?

[The Observer 641]

So three white house staffers test positive die to doing a rapid result test every day. Now, Hahn, Fauci, and Redfield are all going to quarantine because of exposure to the infected. Who were all asymptomatic. 

Crazy how widespread testing and contact tracing is the SOP at the White House.  Yet they tell it's not necessary to open businesses.

Are you awake yet?

[Fireballer 2,648]

1 hour ago, The Observer said:

 Yet they tell it's not necessary to open businesses.

Are you awake yet?

Please please please provide us how to pull this off/risk benefit analysis in a country of 330 million people. Youre comparing the White House to the entire country. 

Youre lost dude. Just like so many lefties, you are lost on the nuances of your opinions.  Yall make these wide-swath assertions and dont ever analyze the nuances.   

[Voltaire 5,335]

19 hours ago, The Observer said:

The flu kills anywhere between 24 and 62 thousand Americans a year. This virus killed 60 thousand just in April. If the entire premise of your post is retarded, you should stop boring everyone with lies and nonsense.  Come with some facts or post somewhere else

I've now gone two threads back-to-back agreeing with Newbie.  I'll go check the Little Richard thread, if he's in there, there's a high chance we can make this three in a row.

[KSB2424 3,148]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-deaths-suicides-drugs-alcohol-pandemic-75000/

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COVID-19 has directly claimed tens of thousands of U.S. lives, but conditions stemming from the novel coronavirus — rampant unemployment, isolation and an uncertain future — could lead to 75,000 deaths from drug or alcohol abuse and suicide, new research suggests.

Opening back up isn't just so people can get a haircut and nobody wants anyone to die.  However all decisions have consequences.  

[Fireballer 2,648]

4 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

 

Opening back up isn't just so people can get a haircut 

I heared that it was and also Georgias guvner is merdering people.

[Old School 360]

I didn't realize this was happening- this report is from the Black Caucus, and how it affects minorities. That's not the point. There was a similar article out there last week. I can't find that one. I had no idea names and addresses were being provided to law enforcement. Seems like a stretch.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/black-lawmakers-call-on-governor-health-officials-to-stop-sharing-coronavirus-test-results-with-police/ar-BB13SAGO?ocid=hplocalnews

State Legislators has called upon Gov. Bill Lee and state health officials to end a practice of sharing names and addresses of residents who test positive for coronavirus with police. The state government confirmed the practice of sharing test results with police officers last week

Black lawmakers call on governor, health officials to stop sharing coronavirus test results with police

The Tennessee Black Caucus of State Legislators has called upon Gov. Bill Lee and state health officials to end a practice of sharing names and addresses of residents who test positive for coronavirus with police.

Caucus Chairman Rep. G.A. Hardaway, D-Memphis, said the practice may have a “chilling effect” that keeps those who are distrustful of the government from being tested for coronavirus.

“Our membership has heard from many in the African-American community who are concerned by this release of personal data without their knowledge, as well as many in the Hispanic community who fear possible other uses of the information,” Hardaway said in a statement.

“People feel their constitutional right to privacy is being violated without any warning. There are better ways to protect our first responders while, at the same time, giving proper notification to the citizens involved.” 

The state government confirmed the practice of sharing test results with police officers last week after it was revealed by the newly formed Tennessee Lookout news organization. Separately, the Nashville Metro Health Department confirmed to The Tennessean that it shares similar information with city police.

Gov. Bill Lee defended the practice statewide on Friday, saying the information was necessary to protect the lives of police officers who might need to respond to a home where an infected person lives. Chris Song, a spokesman for Nashville Mayor John Cooper, gave a similar justification for sharing patient info with police in the city.

In the Sunday statement calling for the end of this practice, black caucus Vice Chairman Rep. Rick Staples, D-Knoxville, said officials need to give "more thought" to how this practice could backfire.

“That’s why it’s so important to have diverse representation at the table when these issues are being discussed so decisions aren’t being made that could possibly do more harm than good and possibly set us back in terms of much needed testing,” he said.

[wiffleball 4,790]

There are going to be huge HIPA lawsuits in time.

[Voltaire 5,335]

5 hours ago, Old School said:

I didn't realize this was happening- this report is from the Black Caucus, and how it affects minorities. That's not the point. There was a similar article out there last week. I can't find that one. I had no idea names and addresses were being provided to law enforcement. Seems like a stretch.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/black-lawmakers-call-on-governor-health-officials-to-stop-sharing-coronavirus-test-results-with-police/ar-BB13SAGO?ocid=hplocalnews

State Legislators has called upon Gov. Bill Lee and state health officials to end a practice of sharing names and addresses of residents who test positive for coronavirus with police. The state government confirmed the practice of sharing test results with police officers last week

Black lawmakers call on governor, health officials to stop sharing coronavirus test results with police

The Tennessee Black Caucus of State Legislators has called upon Gov. Bill Lee and state health officials to end a practice of sharing names and addresses of residents who test positive for coronavirus with police.

Caucus Chairman Rep. G.A. Hardaway, D-Memphis, said the practice may have a “chilling effect” that keeps those who are distrustful of the government from being tested for coronavirus.

“Our membership has heard from many in the African-American community who are concerned by this release of personal data without their knowledge, as well as many in the Hispanic community who fear possible other uses of the information,” Hardaway said in a statement.

“People feel their constitutional right to privacy is being violated without any warning. There are better ways to protect our first responders while, at the same time, giving proper notification to the citizens involved.” 

The state government confirmed the practice of sharing test results with police officers last week after it was revealed by the newly formed Tennessee Lookout news organization. Separately, the Nashville Metro Health Department confirmed to The Tennessean that it shares similar information with city police.

Gov. Bill Lee defended the practice statewide on Friday, saying the information was necessary to protect the lives of police officers who might need to respond to a home where an infected person lives. Chris Song, a spokesman for Nashville Mayor John Cooper, gave a similar justification for sharing patient info with police in the city.

In the Sunday statement calling for the end of this practice, black caucus Vice Chairman Rep. Rick Staples, D-Knoxville, said officials need to give "more thought" to how this practice could backfire.

“That’s why it’s so important to have diverse representation at the table when these issues are being discussed so decisions aren’t being made that could possibly do more harm than good and possibly set us back in terms of much needed testing,” he said.

Stupidity Level Exceeded.

Caution, trying to understand the above text may cause permanent neural damage.

 

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/11/nursing-homes-us-data-coronavirus

 

[Strike 5,629]

PSA.  When sh*t starts to reopen, don't be toolbags:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/10/us/ice-cream-shop-closes-employee-harassment-trnd/index.html

[The Observer 641]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

PSA.  When sh*t starts to reopen, don't be toolbags:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/10/us/ice-cream-shop-closes-employee-harassment-trnd/index.html

This is going to be widespread unfortunately. Too many asshats with the attitude that Big Brother isn't going to tell them what to do. People won't want to wear masks. Or stay separated. They think they're being patriotic and making some grand statement of defiance, but they will be the cause of things shutting back down as quickly as they reopen. 

[Leeson 54]

Not sure if this has been posted. Sounds like there is a limited amount of Remdesivir to treat Covid patients. Even if it helps, people are now suppose to go back to normal because the hospitals are not at capacity. But if you get Covid, you have to hope to be one of the lottery winners to receive the magic drug. When did we start living in a 3rd world country?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

4 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Not sure if this has been posted. Sounds like there is a limited amount of Remdesivir to treat Covid patients. Even if it helps, people are now suppose to go back to normal because the hospitals are not at capacity. But if you get Covid, you have to hope to be one of the lottery winners to receive the magic drug. When did we start living in a 3rd world country?

Yeah, they should have had warehouses of the stuff for a virus that didn’t exist and a drug they didn’t know helped with a virus that didn’t exist. The brilliance being brought forth here today is breathtaking. 

[Reality 3,121]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, they should have had warehouses of the stuff for a virus that didn’t exist and a drug they didn’t know helped with a virus that didn’t exist. The brilliance being brought forth here today is breathtaking. 

Explains quite a bit though.  

[Leeson 54]

19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, they should have had warehouses of the stuff for a virus that didn’t exist and a drug they didn’t know helped with a virus that didn’t exist. The brilliance being brought forth here today is breathtaking. 

Brilliance?

How can you ask people to put themselves at risk, siting the hospitals are under capacity? Only to find out, if you do end up in the hospital the one drug that may save your life is in short supply. 

The alternative is slowing the reopening of things until you can do it safely. That includes having enough supplies to take care of those that will get sick. We haven't done that. That's Brilliant. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

1 minute ago, Leeson said:

Brilliance?

How can you ask people to put themselves at risk, siting the hospitals are under capacity? Only to find out, if you do end up in the hospital the one drug that may save your life is in short supply. 

The alternative is slowing the reopening of things until you can do it safely. That includes having enough supplies to take care of those that will get sick. We haven't done that. That's Brilliant. 

 

Yup. Tell all those people with cancer to ride it out. We can’t open until the virus is taken care off. Rub some dirt on it. 

[The Observer 641]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yup. Tell all those people with cancer to ride it out. We can’t open until the virus is taken care off. Rub some dirt on it. 

Do you have a link of someone catching cancer because they stood next to them at Piggly Wiggly's?

[drobeski 3,061]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yup. Tell all those people with cancer to ride it out. We can’t open until the virus is taken care off. Rub some dirt on it. 

They are idiots

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

2 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Do you have a link of someone catching cancer because they stood next to them at Piggly Wiggly's?

You really don’t pay attention too much. Maybe Trump will tweet about how other serious medical conditions are taking a backseat to the virus and then you’ll know. 

[The Observer 641]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You really don’t pay attention too much. Maybe Trump will tweet about how other serious medical conditions are taking a backseat to the virus and then you’ll know. 

They're no longer treating cancer patients?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yup. Tell all those people with cancer to ride it out. We can’t open until the virus is taken care off. Rub some dirt on it. 

If you have cancer, you are not skipping treatment because of this virus, even if you are in a hotspot area.  They are able to treat those patients because they have capacity and it is not a huge risk to come into the hospital for treatment.  There could be a problem with people not going to the hospital or doctor to get diagnosed out of fear, if that is what you are talking about.

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40 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Not sure if this has been posted. Sounds like there is a limited amount of Remdesivir to treat Covid patients. Even if it helps, people are now suppose to go back to normal because the hospitals are not at capacity. But if you get Covid, you have to hope to be one of the lottery winners to receive the magic drug. When did we start living in a 3rd world country?

While concerning, there are other treatments being tested and/or developed.  I suspect, much like the ventilator "crisis" that this will end up being another nothingburger.  But the press will vilify Trump for it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

7 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

If you have cancer, you are not skipping treatment because of this virus, even if you are in a hotspot area.  They are able to treat those patients because they have capacity and it is not a huge risk to come into the hospital for treatment.  There could be a problem with people not going to the hospital or doctor to get diagnosed out of fear, if that is what you are talking about.

Yeah. And keeping everything closed up isn’t going to alleviate those fears. And cancer isn’t the only thing not being tended to. You people really don’t know this? 

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. And keeping everything closed up isn’t going to alleviate those fears. And cancer isn’t the only thing not being tended to. You people really don’t know this? 

I've tried to tell him numerous times, including with links showing that people have died from not getting treatment as a result of this, but he refuses to believe it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

How about preventive medicine, that thing libtards are always championing when it comes to healthcare for the poor? That’s no longer important? 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

I've tried to tell him numerous times, including with links showing that people have died from not getting treatment as a result of this, but he refuses to believe it. 

Your links are hyperbole and speculation.  There are no stats on people dying as a result.  Just estimates.  Again, it pales in comparison to the extra deaths due to coronavirus.  I also notice that you don't worry about the suicide rates for first responders during this.  Did you factor that into the mix as those will go up as deaths of more people happen.

… and "yes" I am aware of people who are reticent to seek diagnosis for ailments.  It has been talked about quite a bit here in MA and is being addressed even though we are still a hotspot.  

[Leeson 54]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. And keeping everything closed up isn’t going to alleviate those fears. And cancer isn’t the only thing not being tended to. You people really don’t know this? 

Who said keep everything closed up? Seems like it's all or nothing for you.

 I was questioning the shortage of drug. Using Trumps words, we are in a battle with this virus. We are all warriors. How would you feel if we sent our soldiers into battle with no medical supplies to treat the wounded? With the result being unnecessary deaths. In that case, people would say that the General was ill-prepared for that battle. In this case people are calling for 4 more years. That's brilliant!

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Just now, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Your links are hyperbole and speculation.  There are no stats on people dying as a result.  Just estimates.  Again, it pales in comparison to the extra deaths due to coronavirus.  I also notice that you don't worry about the suicide rates for first responders during this.  Did you factor that into the mix as those will go up as deaths of more people happen.

… and "yes" I am aware of people who are reticent to seek diagnosis for ailments.  It has been talked about quite a bit here in MA and is being addressed even though we are still a hotspot.  

LOL.  I posted a link to a hospital that had determined 35 people who wouldn't have died did because of the change in processes to treat CV.  They didn't call it speculation and at the time you didn't call it "hyperbole and speculation."  You acknowledged it but blew it off because it was ONLY ONE HOSPITAL.   Are you changing your response to that post now?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

My annual screening for 9/11 was cancelled.  Now I wait and get in line at some point.  How many early diagnosis are being missed? 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

Covid cases sorted by deaths per 100k

data from https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/

I see a trend 

State	Cases	…per 100K residents	Deaths	…per 100K residents
New York	335,395	1,724	26,641	137
New Jersey	138,754	1,562	9,256	104
Connecticut	33,554	941	2,967	83
Massachusetts	77,793	1,129	4,979	72
Louisiana	31,600	680	2,286	49
Michigan	47,182	472	4,555	46
District of Columbia	6,389	905	328	46
Rhode Island	11,274	1,064	422	40
Pennsylvania	59,939	468	3,806	30
Maryland	33,373	552	1,683	28
Illinois	77,741	613	3,406	27
Delaware	6,447	662	224	23
Indiana	24,126	358	1,508	22
Colorado	19,703	342	971	17
Mississippi	9,501	319	430	14
Georgia	33,837	319	1,406	13
Washington	16,891	222	931	12
Ohio	24,081	206	1,341	11
Virginia	25,070	294	850	10
Minnesota	11,271	200	578	10
Nevada	6,120	199	310	10
New Mexico	4,863	232	200	10
New Hampshire	3,071	226	133	10
Florida	40,982	191	1,735	8
Missouri	10,087	164	503	8
Alabama	9,904	202	393	8
Iowa	11,959	379	265	8
Vermont	927	149	53	8
California	67,875	172	2,718	7
Arizona	11,127	153	536	7
Wisconsin	10,219	176	400	7
Kentucky	6,440	144	304	7
Oklahoma	4,589	116	272	7
South Carolina	7,653	149	331	6
Kansas	6,962	239	175	6
North Carolina	14,995	143	567	5
Nebraska	8,171	422	90	5
Maine	1,436	107	64	5
North Dakota	1,491	196	35	5
Texas	39,258	135	1,094	4
Tennessee	14,985	219	243	4
Puerto Rico	2,256	71	113	4
Idaho	2,230	125	67	4
South Dakota	3,517	398	34	4
Oregon	3,228	77	127	3
Arkansas	4,012	133	91	3
West Virginia	1,360	76	54	3
Utah	6,251	195	67	2
Hawaii	632	45	17	1
Montana	458	43	16	1
Alaska	379	52	10	1
Wyoming	662	114	7	1
Guam	151		5
US Virgin Islands	69		4
Other*	152		3
Northern Mariana Islands	19		2

 

[Strike 5,629]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

My annual screening for 9/11 was cancelled.  Now I wait and get in line at some point.  How many early diagnosis are being missed? 

But that's ok.  At least people with cancer who already know about it are getting treated. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

LOL.  I posted a link to a hospital that had determined 35 people who wouldn't have died did because of the change in processes to treat CV.  They didn't call it speculation and at the time you didn't call it "hyperbole and speculation."  You acknowledged it but blew it off because it was ONLY ONE HOSPITAL.   Are you changing your response to that post now?

I called it a speculation in a foreign hospital at the time.  Again, 35 people possibly.  That is what you are basing it on?

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2 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

I called it a speculation in a foreign hospital at the time.  Again, 35 people possibly.  That is what you are basing it on?

I don't recall you saying it was speculation.  And No, that's not all I was basing it on.   That was just supporting evidence that seemed pretty rock solid to me.  But this is the geek club.  Someone can assert 2+2=4 with a proof from Einstein and some yahoo will still dispute it.  There is a lot of evidence similar to that link but I'm not gonna do the legwork to post it based on how dismissive you are about any of it.    How many different locations would it take before you'd acknowledge it at truth?

[The Observer 641]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

My annual screening for 9/11 was cancelled.  Now I wait and get in line at some point.  How many early diagnosis are being missed? 

Despite our differences, I hope you test negative for 9/11

[Leeson 54]

Just now, Strike said:

I don't recall you saying it was speculation.  And No, that's not all I was basing it on.   That was just supporting evidence that seemed pretty rock solid to me.  But this is the geek club.  Someone can assert 2+2=4 with a proof from Einstein and some yahoo will still dispute it.  There is a lot of evidence similar to that link but I'm not gonna do the legwork to post it based on how dismissive you are about any of it.    How many different locations would it take before you'd acknowledge it at truth?

Welcome to the internet. It only gets worse from here. 

[The Observer 641]

10 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Covid cases sorted by deaths per 100k

data from https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/

I see a trend 

State	Cases	…per 100K residents	Deaths	…per 100K residents
New York	335,395	1,724	26,641	137
New Jersey	138,754	1,562	9,256	104
Connecticut	33,554	941	2,967	83
Massachusetts	77,793	1,129	4,979	72
Louisiana	31,600	680	2,286	49
Michigan	47,182	472	4,555	46
District of Columbia	6,389	905	328	46
Rhode Island	11,274	1,064	422	40
Pennsylvania	59,939	468	3,806	30
Maryland	33,373	552	1,683	28
Illinois	77,741	613	3,406	27
Delaware	6,447	662	224	23
Indiana	24,126	358	1,508	22
Colorado	19,703	342	971	17
Mississippi	9,501	319	430	14
Georgia	33,837	319	1,406	13
Washington	16,891	222	931	12
Ohio	24,081	206	1,341	11
Virginia	25,070	294	850	10
Minnesota	11,271	200	578	10
Nevada	6,120	199	310	10
New Mexico	4,863	232	200	10
New Hampshire	3,071	226	133	10
Florida	40,982	191	1,735	8
Missouri	10,087	164	503	8
Alabama	9,904	202	393	8
Iowa	11,959	379	265	8
Vermont	927	149	53	8
California	67,875	172	2,718	7
Arizona	11,127	153	536	7
Wisconsin	10,219	176	400	7
Kentucky	6,440	144	304	7
Oklahoma	4,589	116	272	7
South Carolina	7,653	149	331	6
Kansas	6,962	239	175	6
North Carolina	14,995	143	567	5
Nebraska	8,171	422	90	5
Maine	1,436	107	64	5
North Dakota	1,491	196	35	5
Texas	39,258	135	1,094	4
Tennessee	14,985	219	243	4
Puerto Rico	2,256	71	113	4
Idaho	2,230	125	67	4
South Dakota	3,517	398	34	4
Oregon	3,228	77	127	3
Arkansas	4,012	133	91	3
West Virginia	1,360	76	54	3
Utah	6,251	195	67	2
Hawaii	632	45	17	1
Montana	458	43	16	1
Alaska	379	52	10	1
Wyoming	662	114	7	1
Guam	151		5
US Virgin Islands	69		4
Other*	152		3
Northern Mariana Islands	19		2

 

Beautiful testament to the success of shelter in place.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

1 minute ago, The Observer said:

Despite our differences, I hope you test negative for 9/11

Ok. That’s pretty funny 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

The point I’m trying to make is that at this point we shouldn’t be treating everyplace the same. And alternatives for treating other conditions and preventative medicine should be in place. You don’t put so much on hold for this long.  Find another way.