Coronavirus - Doomsday

[The Observer 641]

Just now, Intense Observer said:

Who is this idiot who thinks redemsevir is the only option to treat COVID-19?

Did Dr Fauci create an account here?

My 102 year old mee maw caught the COVID-19 at her nursing home and was treated with HCQ+. She is alive and well. As have tens of thousands, if not more, around the world.

Never mind that 80% who get COVID-19 have zero symptoms, 15% only show a minor flu and recover with rest and water. Only a tiny % require hospitalization and less than 1% die.

And this fool wants to shut down society.

Hcq. Lol. That's been debunked 100 times over. That was a Trump Hail Mary to try to save himself from how badly he's handled this whole thing. 

[Leeson 54]

11 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

That's because we are testing more every day than the day before.   The actual % number of people testing positive per test is going down.  Gah I feel like I have to do this, which is sad, but here goes.

April 10th:  100 tests, 10 test positive for Covid-19

May 10: 500 tests, 20 test positive for Covide-19.

What you and Newbie will say is:  " Positive tests have doubled the past month!@#"

JFC  I swear posts like yours are making me lose my mind. 

Don't put words in my mouth. I understand the more we test the more cases we will find. 

What I can't figure out is why our government is stuck in this tweener stage. Early on, there weren't enough tests to control the spread. If we could test everyone, we wouldn't have to concern ourselves with the number of cases, just the hot spots where numbers are increasing an people are dying. Wouldn't it be great to know if there was a spike in cases at retirement homes, schools, sporting teams, etc. We don't have enough testing to do that, but we have more than we had in the beginning. 

China has a spike in Wuhan. They are planning on testing 10 million people in the near future. That way they have the information to move forward with whatever plan works. South Korea is seeing a spike due to night clubs. They are going to close down night clubs to try to flatten the curve. What are we doing here. We aren't using a hatchet or a scalpel with our response. It's more like we are running around with our pants around our ankles and our hair on fire. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

I still don't understand how a virus, that came from China and spread all over the world somehow morphed into a partisan issue in America.  WTF?

All I can think of is the fear mongering media scaring people, coupled with severe TDS.   

In real life, I talk to all sorts of friends on all sorts of the political spectrum.  These are smart people with real jobs.  We're all on the same page....the initial shutdown was warranted but based on all the data that's come in, its time to open up the economy and get back to normal while protecting the most vulnerable (nursing homes, elderly, those with compromised immune systems).  

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

26 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Again, for the 100th time.  Most everyone was for the initial shutdown, why?

1. It was new virus and we didn't know exactly what it was, had little data, etc.

2. The original purpose was to "flatten the curve" of a spike and to not over-run hospitals.

Two months later we know more of #1.  While a nasty virus (moreso than the common flu), its no where near as deadly as we first thought. And as to #2, we did it.  The hospitals were not over-run.

Somehow the "shutdown" has turned away from those two pillars to.......if you get a haircut you will KILL GRANDMA and have BLOOD on your hands!@#!  Wait Wut?

I think that this is where most people are at. 
 

The only thing I would add (for me) is that we should try to open things up in such a way that we don’t have a second wave that is as bad or worse than the first (for hot spots). We still have a large percentage of people who have not had the disease and we don’t want to waste the sacrifices already made.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

8 minutes ago, Leeson said:

No. Are you?

He made the comment about hospital overrun. Prior to that (earlier this morning) I made the comment about the shortage of Remdesivir. Whether it's an overrun of hospital beds, respirators, or drugs to fight the virus, they all contribute to the problem with keeping people alive. 

I get the feeling that some think as long as we have hospital beds, but no drs or nurses, the issue is solved. It's not.

how many times are you going to ride along these bogus moving goal posts like a good little puppy?

[Leeson 54]

2 minutes ago, Intense Observer said:

Who is this idiot who thinks redemsevir is the only option to treat COVID-19?

Did Dr Fauci create an account here?

My 102 year old mee maw caught the COVID-19 at her nursing home and was treated with HCQ+. She is alive and well. As have tens of thousands, if not more, around the world.

Never mind that 80% who get COVID-19 have zero symptoms, 15% only show a minor flu and recover with rest and water. Only a tiny % require hospitalization and less than 1% die.

And this fool wants to shut down society.

Show me where I said we should shut down society. 

You should google both Remedesivir and HCQ. There are also others, but none have been approved by the FDA for treatment of Covid-19.

[Leeson 54]

Just now, drobeski said:

Great story, glad to hear. Its sick

 

how many times are you going to ride along these bogus moving goal posts like a good little puppy?

I haven't moved anything. Go back and read my original post this morning. It started making the comment about Remdesivir. And here we are. 

If we have a shortage of a key drug, should we be concerned? I guess not. 

[Intense Observer 344]

Hit a new record today with tests. Almost 400k.

Daily positive test result % has been declining since April 1.

New cases will continue to increase as testing increases, however the % is what to watch. That is even spelled out in the Dr Fauci Guidelines To Reopen Plan.

All numbers are moving in the right direction, minus a handful of hotspots. Let those places stay locked down, let the rest of Americans get back to work and life.

And if one feels the need to virtue signal about masks and #saferathome then they are free to act accordingly.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I think we found Sho Nuff's alias.  

[Leeson 54]

6 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I think we found Sho Nuff's alias.  

Fock you. Those are fighting words. 

[Leeson 54]

7 minutes ago, Intense Observer said:

Hit a new record today with tests. Almost 400k.

Daily positive test result % has been declining since April 1.

New cases will continue to increase as testing increases, however the % is what to watch. That is even spelled out in the Dr Fauci Guidelines To Reopen Plan.

All numbers are moving in the right direction, minus a handful of hotspots. Let those places stay locked down, let the rest of Americans get back to work and life.

And if one feels the need to virtue signal about masks and #saferathome then they are free to act accordingly.

But it's not working that way. Lots of middle America are seeing an increase in cases and deaths. But, since the country was concerned about the virus when it was hitting places on the East an West coast, now that it's migrated to the us, it's time to open the country back up now that the curve has flattened in other places.

[Fireballer 2,648]

15 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

its time to open up the economy and get back to normal while protecting the most vulnerable (nursing homes, elderly, those with compromised immune systems).  

 

Winner winner, chicken dinner

[Leeson 54]

6 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Winner winner, chicken dinner

How do we know those aren't bullshit disabilities? No need to protect them.

[Leeson 54]

Why is Fauci self quarantining? Why did everyone at the press conference wear a face mask? They didn't wear one for the past 3 months. Things are better now?

[KSB2424 3,148]

16 minutes ago, Leeson said:

How do we know those aren't bullshit disabilities? No need to protect them.

Being old?  Having a disease?

Are you twelve?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

42 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Show me where I said we should shut down society. 

You should google both Remedesivir and HCQ. There are also others, but none have been approved by the FDA for treatment of Covid-19.

How come doctors keep giving people the hydroxy? 

[Reality 3,121]

I think Jerry is on to something, these accounts are bots. 

[Leeson 54]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How come doctors keep giving people the hydroxy? 

Because they don't have enough Remdesivir? 

[Leeson 54]

12 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Being old?  Having a disease?

Are you twelve?

I'm just repeating what I learned here. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

1 minute ago, Leeson said:

Because they don't have enough Remdesivir? 

But it’s not FDA approved. Why would doctors use it if it doesn’t work in some cases? 

[Leeson 54]

4 minutes ago, Reality said:

I think Jerry is on to something, these accounts are bots. 

Yes. I'm a bot. I'm the new Newbie. I'm the alias of Sho. 

It's Focking funny to see how uncomfortable it makes some of you when someone has a slightly differing opinion. Lot's of insecure people.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

2 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Because they don't have enough Remdesivir? 

 Not approved either. I read it In this thread. 

[Leeson 54]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

But it’s not FDA approved. Why would doctors use it if it doesn’t work in some cases? 

You'd have to ask the doctors. Out of 100 people it may help 30 of them. It may actually kill 30 of them. And the rest of the people get better on their own.

 

[drobeski 3,061]

 

[Leeson 54]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 Not approved either. I read it In this thread. 

Approved for Emergency use. Even then, they don't have enough.

[Reality 3,121]

7 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Yes. I'm a bot. I'm the new Newbie. I'm the alias of Sho. 

It's Focking funny to see how uncomfortable it makes some of you when someone has a slightly differing opinion. Lot's of insecure people.

Nobody is uncomfortable, why would we be? You people aren't rational. We've learned enough about this virus and it's time to move on. Not near as deadly as we originally thought and we know exactly who it targets. We can't shut things down indefinitely, that's more damaging than the cure. It's time to open up with common sense guidelines like exactly what is happening all over the country.

Newbieis a windbag that parrots msm talking points all day, he doesn't possess an original thought. You are starting to sound the same, it's boring and not worth anybody's time.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

11 minutes ago, Leeson said:

You'd have to ask the doctors. Out of 100 people it may help 30 of them. It may actually kill 30 of them. And the rest of the people get better on their own.

 

Stupid doctors. Someone should make them stop. 

[MDC 7,529]

17 minutes ago, Reality said:

Nobody is uncomfortable, why would we be? You people aren't rational. We've learned enough about this virus and it's time to move on. Not near as deadly as we originally thought and we know exactly who it targets. We can't shut things down indefinitely, that's more damaging than the cure. It's time to open up with common sense guidelines like exactly what is happening all over the country.

Newbieis a windbag that parrots msm talking points all day, he doesn't possess an original thought. You are starting to sound the same, it's boring and not worth anybody's time.

Classic Reality. Long windbag post and he concludes by saying you’re a waste of time. $10 says he’s bickering with you again by Wednesday. Lol

[Leeson 54]

15 minutes ago, Reality said:

Nobody is uncomfortable, why would we be? You people aren't rational. We've learned enough about this virus and it's time to move on. Not near as deadly as we originally thought and we know exactly who it targets. We can't shut things down indefinitely, that's more damaging than the cure. It's time to open up with common sense guidelines like exactly what is happening all over the country.

Newbieis a windbag that parrots msm talking points all day, he doesn't possess an original thought. You are starting to sound the same, it's boring and not worth anybody's time.

Can you point to one post where I said we should shut everything down? Are those common sense guidelines being followed everywhere? 

I'm not the one claiming others are bots or other posters' aliases. What's the point of that? What do you mean by "you people"? I can't be people and a bot.

I guess I should have framed my original question in a way more people here could understand. If there was a shortage of HIV medicine, would you stop focking each other in the ass until the stockpile was built up? 

[Leeson 54]

15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Stupid doctors. Someone should make them stop. 

Bullshit doctors. Probably faking it. 

[jerryskids 6,876]

24 minutes ago, Leeson said:

You'd have to ask the doctors. Out of 100 people it may help 30 of them. It may actually kill 30 of them. And the rest of the people get better on their own.

 

Well, to be fair, 99.8 to 99.9% of people get better on their own.  And those fractions of percents are very old and infirmed.

22 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Approved for Emergency use. Even then, they don't have enough.

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Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency use authorization for the investigational antiviral drug remdesivir for the treatment of suspected or laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 in adults and children hospitalized with severe disease. While there is limited information known about the safety and effectiveness of using remdesivir to treat people in the hospital with COVID-19, the investigational drug was shown in a clinical trial to shorten the time to recovery in some patients.

Well, I'm sold, let's keep this country shut down until every burg in America has a truckful or two of this investigational drug. 

[jerryskids 6,876]

Leeson, you seem much more knowledgeable about this drug than I am, so I concede that.  Why do you think there is a shortage?  Is it hard to make?  Is it a systemic government attempt to have us all die?  Does Trump hate black and brown people and this is a way to thin the herd?

Also, how much of this miracle investigational drug do we need?  A year's supply for everyone in the US?

TIA

[Reality 3,121]

6 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Can you point to one post where I said we should shut everything down? Are those common sense guidelines being followed everywhere? 

I'm not the one claiming others are bots or other posters' aliases. What's the point of that? What do you mean by "you people"? I can't be people and a bot.

I guess I should have framed my original question in a way more people here could understand. If there was a shortage of HIV medicine, would you stop focking each other in the ass until the stockpile was built up? 

We're moving on bub, it's happening. When you argue against opening things up, to me, that implies you are in favor of everybody staying home until everybody can take a test daily and the drug you've hitched your wagon to is plentiful. Not sure why I would ever make that sort of wild leap... Sorry, it's not feasible. 

Covid is a lot like HIV though, good analogy on your part. We know exactly who is most at risk but, we have to treat HIV as if it is a problem for everyone. Nicely done, makes me think you have some experience with that sort of thing.

[Utilit99 4,099]

16 minutes ago, Leeson said:

 If there was a shortage of HIV medicine, would you stop focking each other in the ass until the stockpile was built up? 

Newbie says "no". 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

20 minutes ago, Leeson said:

Bullshit doctors. Probably faking it. 

This fockin clown thinks there isn’t a problem with people faking disabilities to get social security disability. Straight up jackass. 

[nobody 2,703]

2 hours ago, Leeson said:

Have we flattened the curve? It seems like once we got past NY, everyone thinks the curve is flattening. At this point, our government is pushing states that are seeing increased numbers of cases to open their states. While at the same time, not having enough of the only drug to treat people if they do get sick. 

If you get Covid 19 and someone in your family dies (because there aren't enough doses of Remdesivir) who are you going to blame? Yourself for going to McDonalds for a Big Mac, the Governor/Mayor for lifting the lock down? Or the hospital for choosing to save someone else. 

That's a weird question.  "Who would I blame?"  It wouldn't even occur to me to think of blaming someone.

[Leeson 54]

10 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Leeson, you seem much more knowledgeable about this drug than I am, so I concede that.  Why do you think there is a shortage?  Is it hard to make?  Is it a systemic government attempt to have us all die?  Does Trump hate black and brown people and this is a way to thin the herd?

Also, how much of this miracle investigational drug do we need?  A year's supply for everyone in the US?

TIA

You seemed to have gone off the rails here. Like you, I have a daughter with Type 1 diabetes. She's suppose to start a new job in then next couple of weeks. She's been at home for the past 2 months in order to limit her exposure. That's not going to be an option very soon. Numbers in our city and state continue to climb. We know that a significant portion of the population think this virus is no worse than the flu and therefor won't take social distancing seriously. My daughter has made and stockpiled enough masks to hopefully protect her once she has to go out. 

The next step in preparedness is "what happens if she does get it". That's were I started reading about Remdesivir. If we are going to open everything back up, ignore social distancing rules, and not follow the guidelines, then we have a drug that may be able to save her life. But, the more I read, the more I was learning that there is a shortage. Remdesivir is used for people with other illnesses like lupus. (which also makes you think it's been approved by the FDA, but not completely approved for Covid treatment). 

I don't know how hard it is to make and I don't care what Trump thinks of people. (your reverse TDS is showing). I care about what the government is doing to protect the health of my daughter. The government is telling people it's time to reopen. Great. But, the same government's inability to be prepared to protect those most at risk, is a concern. Why don't we have more Remdesivir? Trump has enacted the Defense Production act, but according some of the articles I've read, Gilead is only giving half of it's stock to the U.S.??  WTF. If we were at war, would would we be okay with Lockheed giving half of their fighter jets to other countries? I don't think so. 

Google "shortage of Remdesivir", and read for yourself. Maybe you can find a reason why. 

 

[Leeson 54]

10 hours ago, Reality said:

We're moving on bub, it's happening. When you argue against opening things up, to me, that implies you are in favor of everybody staying home until everybody can take a test daily and the drug you've hitched your wagon to is plentiful. Not sure why I would ever make that sort of wild leap... Sorry, it's not feasible. 

Covid is a lot like HIV though, good analogy on your part. We know exactly who is most at risk but, we have to treat HIV as if it is a problem for everyone. Nicely done, makes me think you have some experience with that sort of thing.

You still can't site a post where I said we shouldn't open things up. You're implying whatever fits your agenda.

You should also do more research. The bolded is false.

[Leeson 54]

10 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This fockin clown thinks there isn’t a problem with people faking disabilities to get social security disability. Straight up jackass. 

I didn't think you were this dumb. In the future, I'll make sure I treat you with kids gloves. So, as not to confuse you.

I actually agreed with you about people taking advantage of the system. But, the way you worded it, it sounded like you were calling the disability fake. You then doubled down on saying mental illness is fake. Which now makes sense, because you're probably suffering from one. I will speak softly and calmly so as not to upset you.

Hope you have a wonderful day snowflake. 

[Leeson 54]

10 hours ago, nobody said:

That's a weird question.  "Who would I blame?"  It wouldn't even occur to me to think of blaming someone.

Fine. Change 'who would you blame" to what was the cause?