Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

5 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

And both are lying.  One lies so everyone will have to get the vaccine, the other lies so they won't have to get it. Just get it and shut up.

I think it's smart to be skeptical of things like COVID and the vaccine but there's just so much misinformation being spread.  Between the news networks and social media it's near impossible for the average person to know what to trust.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I think it's smart to be skeptical of things like COVID and the vaccine but there's just so much misinformation being spread.  Between the news networks and social media it's near impossible for the average person to know what to trust.

It's all agenda driven.  We know so much about the virus, who is in serious danger and who isn't.  We know the vaccine helps, but isn't anywhere close to 100%.  We have become a nation of certainties and there aren't any.  For some that means we go on, life as best as possible, for others that means you hide away for an undetermined period of time. 

[Fireballer 2,643]

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

 We have become a nation of certainties and there aren't any.  For some that means we go on, life as best as possible, for others that means you hide away for an undetermined period of time. 

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The CDC is using the NY Times as a reference for it's data analysis:
 

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For one, the leaked document underestimated the R0 for chickenpox and overestimated the R0 for the delta variant. "The R0 values for delta were preliminary and calculated from data taken from a rather small sample size," a federal official told NPR. The value for the chickenpox (and other R0s in the slideshow) came from a graphic from The New York Times, which wasn't completely accurate.

"At the end of the day, this delta variant is much more transmissible than the alpha variant," the official added. "That's the message people need to take from this." The official requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media on this topic.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/11/1026190062/covid-delta-variant-transmission-cdc-chickenpox

But Timmy would have us take everything the CDC says as gospel.  That's what Lemmings do, I guess......

[nobody 2,693]

49 minutes ago, edjr said:

So what is the excuse for not getting it still? 

Does anyone need an excuse?  

[listen2me 23 1,874]

What is the end game? Serious question.  The vaccines wear down after months.  So does that mean we will have to be vaccinated each year like the flu?  Are they going to be able to identify the strains/variants better than thr flu vaccine does which is what like 50-60% each year?  So are a majority of the population going to need to vax each year in order to not have to mask up each year?  

Is this a dumb question?  When does covid end if new variants come out each month?  We couldn't t end the flu until covid came out.  When do we think or how do we think we end covid?  What does the science say on this? 

Honest question

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

So what is the excuse for not getting it still? 

I've already had COVID and I don't care to get a shot that's going to make be feel like crap again, especially when I have no idea what long term effects that vaccine may have.

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I've already had COVID and I don't care to get a shot that's going to make be feel like crap again, especially when I have no idea what long term effects that vaccine may have.

Absolutely agree. The focking FDA isn't even on board.

[edjr 6,608]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I've already had COVID and I don't care to get a shot that's going to make be feel like crap again, especially when I have no idea what long term effects that vaccine may have.

I got 2, felt fine. Stop being a puss. 

I know what the long term effects are. You will die.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

I got 2, felt fine. Stop being a puss. 

I know what the long term effects are. You will die.

I know more people who felt terrible after the shots.  For some reason it seemed like younger people felt worse after the shots than older people.  If I never had COVID I would most likely get the vaccine but I'm in no hurry to get it now.

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, edjr said:

I got 2, felt fine. Stop being a puss. 

I know what the long term effects are. You will die.

Yep. Never met a person who will never die. 

[edjr 6,608]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I know more people who felt terrible after the shots.  For some reason it seemed like younger people felt worse after the shots than older people.  If I never had COVID I would most likely get the vaccine but I'm in no hurry to get it now.

I lived with 2 people that had it and I didn't get it. No idea why. I thought the shots would kill me, only got a throbbing arm

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

2 minutes ago, edjr said:

I lived with 2 people that had it and I didn't get it. No idea why. I thought the shots would kill me, only got a throbbing arm

Most of the people over 50 I know that got the vaccine felt fine after both shots.  Almost everyone under 50 felt like crap for a good 3-4 days after getting the second shot.

[edjr 6,608]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Most of the people over 50 I know that got the vaccine felt fine after both shots.  Almost everyone under 50 felt like crap for a good 3-4 days after getting the second shot.

I am not over 50

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, edjr said:

I am not over 50

Just telling you my experience.  It's strange how different the virus and the vaccine effect everyone differently.

[Gladiators 1,995]

3 minutes ago, edjr said:

I am not over 50

Me either.  I didn't get sick and my arm wasn't really sore either.  I also previously had the chinavirus.

[TimHauck 2,923]

2 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

Ive heard more of my liberal friends be literally scared of dying from covid; these are healthy 40 year olds who've been vaccinated and STILL want their kids home and won't go to the grocery store. A friend of mine literally said, 'These non mask people are going to kill us all' when she saw a few at her kids' school last week. 

My more conservative friends don't seem to have this fear, even the ones who are vaccinated - yes they do exist. And some of them wear masks too. 

 

Interesting.  I don't know many ~40 or less year olds that are scared of dying themselves.   Yes I know quite a few taking it seriously but I think it's more about being scared of their parents dying or themselves or their kids needing to be hospitalized.

On the flip side, yes the people saying the vaccines are going to kill you are more of the fringe, but I know a lot of people saying "oh I'll be fine if I get it" when that's not necessarily the case, although I guess that depends on people's definition of "fine."

[TimHauck 2,923]

2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

1. It is on both sides but I don't think they are anywhere near close.

2. I told her that.  A little under 99% for her perhaps.  Her concern was over me not having a vaccine.  I told her I am fairly young, not obese, and pretty healthy.  And not for sure but believe I had it early on in the process.  I told her it is a bad flu that generally has hit elderly and obese people.  

She watches some news.

A. She didnt realize survival rate was that high, said but they are telling us how people are dying left and right how can it be 99%?

B.  She didn't really realize who it hit most. (Obese and elderly). 

All she got from the news is death and destruction.  Be afraid very afraid.

I think the number of people that believe things on similar ends of the spectrum is about the same IMO.   But yes the left is more coming from the MSM and the right is more coming from more obscure places (but it sure seems to get around).

Technically it's probably even less than 1% even before the vaccine.  But even 0.5% of the country is 1.7 million people dead if everyone was infected pre-vaccine.   I think some would consider that "dying left and right."

As jerryskids pointed out, the obese aspect may not be broadcast as much as it should be, but I don't think the elderly aspect is being hidden at all.   See all the stories about nursing home outbreaks and of course the democrat governors killing people by sending covid patients back there.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Interesting.  I don't know many ~40 or less year olds that are scared of dying themselves.   Yes I know quite a few taking it seriously but I think it's more about being scared of their parents dying or themselves or their kids needing to be hospitalized.

On the flip side, yes the people saying the vaccines are going to kill you are more of the fringe, but I know a lot of people saying "oh I'll be fine if I get it" when that's not necessarily the case, although I guess that depends on people's definition of "fine."

WAY, WAY more "covid is going to kill you" than there are "the vaccine is going to kill you".  Not even close. 

[TimHauck 2,923]

52 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Absolutely agree. The focking FDA isn't even on board.

They will be soon

[TimHauck 2,923]

59 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

What is the end game? Serious question.  The vaccines wear down after months.  So does that mean we will have to be vaccinated each year like the flu?  Are they going to be able to identify the strains/variants better than thr flu vaccine does which is what like 50-60% each year?  So are a majority of the population going to need to vax each year in order to not have to mask up each year?  

Is this a dumb question?  When does covid end if new variants come out each month?  We couldn't t end the flu until covid came out.  When do we think or how do we think we end covid?  What does the science say on this? 

Honest question

It seems the current lean is that the elderly and immuno-compromised may need a shot every year, but not the young.

I think originally there might have been some hope of eradicating it, but I think less and less people think that's possible.    But if we want any chance of that we also need to get a heckuva lot more vaccines to the third world countries that are hardly vaccinated at all right now.

[listen2me 23 1,874]

Just now, TimHauck said:

It seems the current lean is that the elderly and immuno-compromised may need a shot every year, but not the young.

I think originally there might have been some hope of eradicating it, but I think less and less people think that's possible.    But if we want any chance of that we also need to get a heckuva lot more vaccines to the third world countries that are hardly vaccinated at all right now.

Why is vaxing the compromised yearly a thing down thr road and not now?  Are you saying they believe younger healthier people hold thr vaccine longer?  Why isn't and hasn't been the way all along?  

Guys like Dr Malone have been saying this all along.  Vax the vulnerable and treat the others.  

My guess is the vaccine turns into thr flu vaccine within a year or 2.  Get it if you want.  Especially the elderly.  I believe big Pharma will rebrand a drug to treat covid symptoms and make a boat load more cash.  And that is that.  Flu 2.0.  

Now just like covid beat the flu....we need another virus to come along to beat covid.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

Give it up people, Covid is here to stay. It is an influenza and since  it can be carried by animals it will never be eradicated. It is like the flu and if they recorded deaths the same way for both the stats would be very similar. In the future it will be part of the yearly flu shot and you still will be arguing about getting the shot. 

 

I guess Timmy will be afraid of Covid for the rest of his life.

 

[TimHauck 2,923]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Why is vaxing the compromised yearly a thing down thr road and not now?  Are you saying they believe younger healthier people hold thr vaccine longer?  Why isn't and hasn't been the way all along?  

Guys like Dr Malone have been saying this all along.  Vax the vulnerable and treat the others.  

My guess is the vaccine turns into thr flu vaccine within a year or 2.  Get it if you want.  Especially the elderly.  I believe big Pharma will rebrand a drug to treat covid symptoms and make a boat load more cash.  And that is that.  Flu 2.0.  

Now just like covid beat the flu....we need another virus to come along to beat covid.

Well I think focusing on the compromised was definitely an emphasis when the vaccines rolled out since they were among the first eligible.

But yeah I think the current assumption is that the vaccine-produced antibodies last longer in younger healthier people.

[TimHauck 2,923]

25 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Give it up people, Covid is here to stay. It is an influenza and since  it can be carried by animals it will never be eradicated. It is like the flu and if they recorded deaths the same way for both the stats would be very similar. In the future it will be part of the yearly flu shot and you still will be arguing about getting the shot. 

 

I guess Timmy will be afraid of Covid for the rest of his life.

 

Dr. Stock is that you?  I don't know how much truth there is to the "carried by animals" argument but your flu comment is false.   Otherwise this year's flu was about 10x+ worse than any other year

[Baker Boy 1,704]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Dr. Stock is that you?  I don't know how much truth there is to the "carried by animals" argument but your flu comment is false.   Otherwise this year's flu was about 10x+ worse than any other year

Chicken Little is that you?

But you believe Covid came from bats, you must believe it is carried by animals.

when were accidental deaths, heart attacks, etc. accredited to the flu? 
 

Covid will be around your entire lifetime, get used to it and build up you natural immune system. It is far more superior to any vaccine, and that is real science.
 

[TimHauck 2,923]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Chicken Little is that you?

But you believe Covid came from bats, you must believe it is carried by animals.

when were accidental deaths, heart attacks, etc. accredited to the flu? 
 

Covid will be around your entire lifetime, get used to it and build up you natural immune system. It is far more superior to any vaccine, and that is real science.
 

Accidental deaths and heart disease were both up in 2020.  In reality some of those were probably undiagnosed covid, not the other way around.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

I've never doubted natural immunity.  If you already have it, I don't think you need the vaccine.  But if you haven't yet had covid, the vaccine is safer.

[lod001 1,344]

Get in line bitches. 

The Biden administration is expected to lay out a Covid-19 vaccine booster strategy for all vaccinated Americans in September.

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Accidental deaths and heart disease were both up in 2020.  In reality some of those were probably undiagnosed covid, not the other way around.

[lod001 1,344]

This one may be tough to top: https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/567402-fully-vaccinated-man-dies-of-covid-19-daughter

• A woman’s fully vaccinated father died from COVID-19.
• Doctors said the condition of the father could have been worse if he was not vaccinated at all.
• 

[phillybear 366]

Yeah, so we have at last report 188 people in hospitals in the Philadelphia area today due to China virus or maybe they are sick in addition to having China virus, they never make it clear, out of 1.5 million population.

So, today, the shocking (not really) announcement was that anybody going to indoor establishments have to wear masks as of tomorrow, vacc or not vacc. There is no justification for it mathematically, it's just because.

As far as I know, outside of Philadelphia is still good, so it's time to gas up and go to the burbs for all my needs.

Why are politicians so excited to crush the remaining businesses in this city?

[Fireballer 2,643]

8 minutes ago, lod001 said:

This one may be tough to top: https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/567402-fully-vaccinated-man-dies-of-covid-19-daughter

• A woman’s fully vaccinated father died from COVID-19.
• Doctors said the condition of the father could have been worse if he was not vaccinated at all.
• 

So he wouldn't be quite as dead as he is now?

[TimHauck 2,923]

39 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

It’s true

[TimHauck 2,923]

10 minutes ago, phillybear said:

Yeah, so we have at last report 188 people in hospitals in the Philadelphia area today due to China virus or maybe they are sick in addition to having China virus, they never make it clear, out of 1.5 million population.

So, today, the shocking (not really) announcement was that anybody going to indoor establishments have to wear masks as of tomorrow, vacc or not vacc. There is no justification for it mathematically, it's just because.

As far as I know, outside of Philadelphia is still good, so it's time to gas up and go to the burbs for all my needs.

Why are politicians so excited to crush the remaining businesses in this city?

How does wearing a mask crush the business?  Except for maybe if it’s a face painting business?  Or I guess you’re just saying they’ll go to the suburbs instead?

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

Trump got the COVID vaccine and urged Americans to get it, so there should no hesitation for anyone here to get it. Otherwise, you are disobeying your leader and savior. 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

On 8/10/2021 at 2:46 AM, Fireballer said:

 

I love when liberals use the “no evidence” defense for things they deliberately refuse to look for. Like covid in migrants, or mail in election fraud. 

[lod001 1,344]

Pfizer, a total flop in Israel. Disregard any Tim misinformation. This is the truth.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/08/most-covid-patients-at-israeli-hospital-fully-vaccinated-what-does-this-mean-for-australia/

 

[lod001 1,344]

This will get removed quickly by YouTube commies I'm sure.

 

[TimHauck 2,923]

On 8/9/2021 at 4:39 PM, Fireballer said:

 

No clue what’s going on here.  They should have hired this guy instead.  

 

[TimHauck 2,923]

20 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Pfizer, a total flop in Israel. Disregard any Tim misinformation. This is the truth.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/08/most-covid-patients-at-israeli-hospital-fully-vaccinated-what-does-this-mean-for-australia/

 

When almost all of the vulnerable population is vaccinated, most of the hospitalized patients will be too.  Maths