Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

Thank you again for Friday’s rich discussion about forthcoming CDC guidance and to your openness to the suggestions made by our president, Randi Weingarten, and the AFT,” Trautner wrote on Feb. 1. “We are hopeful that lines of communication will remain open, and that we can serve as a true thought partner as you continue the important work towards safe reopening of schools.” Trautner then offered “suggested language” regarding accommodations for “high-risk individuals.”

The next week, Weingarten and Walensky had a second conversation, the contents of which are unknown. And on Feb. 11, just before the guidance was issued, Trautner sent an email to Walensky and other CDC officials complaining that the guidance didn’t contain “provisions providing for when schools should close.” She added — with no intended irony — “We really want to lend our efforts to helping restore faith in the CDC.

Ridiculous. Corruption. Same people who complain about the good old boy network. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

13 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

I always thought Tim and the gang said vaccinated are less likely to transmit covid.  Give or receive.  So if that is thr case then why is it "cases, lol". 

And yes I agree....why are Dem states going back to mask mandates if cases are no big concern? 

Goofy 

They are.  Again, cases can be a concern as there is a correlation to deaths, my objection is moreso to comparing case rates between different areas, and either not bringing up how they correlate to deaths, which is less so in highly vaccinated populations, or not noting the differences in amount of testing

 

13 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

So why are Dem states going to mask mandates if cases mean little and it is based on just testing more?

You would think more vaccinated means less symptoms or infection means would have to test less.  Seems logical to me but doesn't seem to be the case.

it's not only people with symptoms that get tested

 

13 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Here is what schools come down to: We learned in the spring of 2020 and in the school year of 2021 that online learning does not really work for a vast majority of kids. Some kids excel but they need to be super motivated and self-starting and far too many kids are not like that. Also, many people who were fake concerned about things were saying stuff like "Kids are suffering socially and mentally and depression and suicide numbers are skyrocketing." I say fake concerned because those things have been major problems for a while and are still problems yet no one seems to care all that much anymore. 

So the choices are: We leave kids unmasked, and COVID cases spread in schools and we end up probably being shut down for a long period of time again or kids mask up and we stay in person.

So what do you value more? Me personally- I'd rather wear a mask until I retire if it means kids will be in person learning. 

Schools aren't getting shut down again in the US

 

13 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Read an article about some local school districts relaxing mask mandates and saw this quote:

I certainly agree with the second part.  But is the first part true?  Does vaccination have no effect on transmission?  If so, the ONLY reason I could remotely see rationalizing the vaccination of young kids is to reduce the number of old fat teachers and old fat granny and grampas from getting it.  If that is not the case, then it is a focking travesty that we are vaccinating, masking, and social distancing our children.  Well, it already is a travesty (what culture hurts their children at the expense of the elderly and infirmed?), just more of one.

And on a wider scale, that would make those things personal decisions for all people.

Yes, vaccination has an effect on transmission.  But I agree, we shouldn't be vaccinating children merely to protect others.  Although not related to the vaccines, there is an element of "hurting children" if their parents or grandparents die of covid.

 

12 hours ago, nobody said:

What a douche.  No "Hey, encouraging, but let's qualify that it's anecdotal." 

It's got to be, "Stop repeating anecdotes of mild cases" Obviously we need everyone scared at all times.

That guy actually isn't a fear-mongerer.   He's a big proponent of rapid testing and saying we could have done a much better job controlling the spread if we had more available rapid tests.

 

 

11 hours ago, NorthernVike said:

Rachel Marsden: A French government agency’s stunning Covid stats destroy the official propaganda (msn.com)

 

Hmmmmm.......

Wait, didn't many here like to repeat the quote "hospitals are ALWAYS full!"?  If they're always full and you add an unplanned 19% of usage...they're gonna be overwhelmed.

 

 

11 hours ago, nobody said:

Kids get polio vaccines, so why not get them COVID vaccines!!#@:#!:#L!

Because getting a crippling disease for life and getting COVID which has no effect on kids are the same thing.

Cost/benefit analysis, people.

Things like measles and mumps aren't really dangerous to elementary/middle/high school aged children either.     Although I do agree it's not necessary for kids to get the covid vaccine.

 

 

9 hours ago, Casual Observer said:

What do you mean there is generally a correlation?  Every person that has died from Covid has had a case of Covid.  A person who has been vaccinated and dies from Covid both had a case of Covid and death from Covid, notwithstanding their vaccination status.  Your post makes no sense, you haven't explained why you contradicted yourself (again) within the span of a page and reading your word vomit only underscores what an obfuscating chimp you are.

Since vaccines have become available, the more vaccinated a population is, the less of a correlation between cases and deaths.  For example, the UK:

 

So, it's silly to compare cases across states without also comparing deaths.

 

7 hours ago, lod001 said:

Been saying it from the get go. What is happening in MICH is that those with the jab juice & who wore masks are now getting covid since the juice quit working.

 

You have no fockin idea what this jab crap is doing to the bodies of people taking it. 

Looks like it's mostly the unvaccinated being hospitalized in Michigan

 

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

They are.  Again, cases can be a concern as there is a correlation to deaths, my objection is moreso to comparing case rates between different areas, and either not bringing up how they correlate to deaths, which is less so in highly vaccinated populations, or not noting the differences in amount of testing

 

it's not only people with symptoms that get tested

 

Schools aren't getting shut down again in the US

 

Yes, vaccination has an effect on transmission.  But I agree, we shouldn't be vaccinating children merely to protect others.  Although not related to the vaccines, there is an element of "hurting children" if their parents or grandparents die of covid.

 

That guy actually isn't a fear-mongerer.   He's a big proponent of rapid testing and saying we could have done a much better job controlling the spread if we had more available rapid tests.

 

 

Wait, didn't many here like to repeat the quote "hospitals are ALWAYS full!"?  If they're always full and you add an unplanned 19% of usage...they're gonna be overwhelmed.

 

 

Things like measles and mumps aren't really dangerous to elementary/middle/high school aged children either.     Although I do agree it's not necessary for kids to get the covid vaccine.

 

 

Since vaccines have become available, the more vaccinated a population is, the less of a correlation between cases and deaths.  For example, the UK:

 

So, it's silly to compare cases across states without also comparing deaths.

 

Looks like it's mostly the unvaccinated being hospitalized in Michigan

 

 

 "almost unmanageable". They never give this lie up, do they? But I guess it's meant for the botcucks who'll believe anything. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

9 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

They are garbage because it's straight-up lies.

Based off of what? I didn't see your earlier links or anything like that so I'm interested in where you are coming from

9 hours ago, Fireballer said:

All your articles are littered with words like "could" "possibly" "potentially" and a host of other verbiage that doesnt support anything. And these studies LOVE to slide in the ol' "multi-layer" phrase but never mention it in the title. I mean seriously, the CDC study cites fuking interviews with 67 customers from a hairdresser? Didnt you just knock someone for not understanding sample size??? And in the Bangladesh study,, they were basically wearing N95s and the study also found that social distancing wasnt comprimised even though they were wearing masks. Like I said, any study post-covid is anecdotal at best.  I can't believe the board's foremost interpreter of data falls for this garbage.  You got any studies with actual control groups? Ironically, the CDC paper actually knocks the 2015 study that was critical of surgical masks because that study had no control group.  How rich.

 

Man if you need to struggle that much to cherry pick you are beaten. I mean to ignore all the other studies listed there that have varying sample sizes (because that's how experiments work- conducting tests with different sample sizes) 

And yes I did knock someone for not understanding sample sizes because their analysis of the data is faulty based off of not understanding sample size. This is not that hard to understand. 

 

8 hours ago, nobody said:

I wonder if the vaccine makers themselves who claimed the vaccine was 95%+ effective at preventing infection are good enough sources.

Are we living in bizarro world?

Are we in a bizarro world where 95=100?

[jerryskids 6,827]

15 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

I was trying to be nicer in discussing things with you today. I see that went nowhere with you.

I showed you real evidence of things. Not my fault you guys don't want to accept facts. You were the one who said "No vaccines" in schools. Where does that stop? There are some rumblings that some states want to roll back vaccine requirements- and not just COVID related ones. You in favor of that too? What diseases should we allow people to be infected with and not infected with?

Also, a "perception of a perception manifesto"? Gee- so sensitive when someone discusses how people's perceptions affect things. 

We were having a fine conversation IMO.  If that little statement made you need a safe space, perhaps this isn't the place for you.   

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

Yes, vaccination has an effect on transmission.  
 

Do you have data on this?  Not that I doubt it, but this is an area where I feel like we aren't getting a clear message.

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Wait, didn't many here like to repeat the quote "hospitals are ALWAYS full!"?  If they're always full and you add an unplanned 19% of usage...they're gonna be overwhelmed.

No, many here like to repeat that hospitals like to keep in-patient beds and particularly ICUs near capacity to maximize revenue.  Here is Arizona:

https://www.azdhs.gov/covid19/data/index.php#hospital-bed-usage

Note the relative flatness despite the Covid spikes.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

Are we in a bizarro world where 95=100?

We are in a neo bizarro world where 95 = <95.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

We were having a fine conversation IMO.  If that little statement made you need a safe space, perhaps this isn't the place for you.   

Do you have data on this?  Not that I doubt it, but this is an area where I feel like we aren't getting a clear message.

No, many here like to repeat that hospitals like to keep in-patient beds and particularly ICUs near capacity to maximize revenue.  Here is Arizona:

https://www.azdhs.gov/covid19/data/index.php#hospital-bed-usage

Note the relative flatness despite the Covid spikes.

It's magic that they stay at 95% regardless of what is going on.  A miracle.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

We were having a fine conversation IMO.  If that little statement made you need a safe space, perhaps this isn't the place for you.   

I don't need a safe space. But there was no need to be a condescending d!ck when you were

[nobody 2,691]

Just now, TimmySmith said:

It's magic that they stay at 95% regardless of what is going on.  A miracle.

He's more worried about being right than getting it right.  Hopefully policy makers aren't getting hung up on semantics. 

"Well it's okay to force children to get a vaccine they don't need because Pfizer said their vaccine was 97% not 100% effective," ignoring the fact that it's probably 40% effective.

[Fireballer 2,642]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Man if you need to struggle that much to cherry pick you are beaten. I mean to ignore all the other studies listed there that have varying sample sizes (because that's how experiments work- conducting tests with different sample sizes) 

I'm not going to type out everything that is inconclusive with that paper.  Just know two things... 

1) If a huge beauracracy like the CDC has to insert data from phone interviews with 67  of 140 people potentially exposed to support a study that they have a stake in, they have nothing. A really smart guy once told me that "correlation doesn't equal causation". 

2) The CDC specifically knocks the 2015 study about masks based on it not having controls.  How many CDC cited studies had controls?  You see a problem there?  No comment on the Bangladesh study?  

If you, the omnipotent interpreter of all things, can't see that all those stories are inconclusive word salads then maybe you aren't the smarty pants you think you are. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

2 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

 "almost unmanageable". They never give this lie up, do they? But I guess it's meant for the botcucks who'll believe anything. 

Agree, the media has been sensationalizing it.  Was more posting the link to show that it was mostly unvaccinated.

 

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Are we in a bizarro world where 95=100?

Yes.  To the covid deniers, if it's not 100, it's zero.

 

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Do you have data on this?  Not that I doubt it, but this is an area where I feel like we aren't getting a clear message.

No, many here like to repeat that hospitals like to keep in-patient beds and particularly ICUs near capacity to maximize revenue.  Here is Arizona:

https://www.azdhs.gov/covid19/data/index.php#hospital-bed-usage

Note the relative flatness despite the Covid spikes.

This account shares a lot of good data on vaccine effectiveness, here are a couple examples:

 

 

 

Interesting hospital data, thanks.   So where have all those other ICU patients gone during the covid surges?  In January covid accounted for 65% of ICU beds in use, compared to ~10% over the summer yet total beds used hasn't changed much?

 

 

59 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

It's magic that they stay at 95% regardless of what is going on.  A miracle.

No.  I think it's more like ~80-85% in reality (against symptomatic infection, which was what the 95% was based on).

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

49 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I'm not going to type out everything that is inconclusive with that paper.  Just know two things... 

1) If a huge beauracracy like the CDC has to insert data from phone interviews with 67  of 140 people potentially exposed to support a study that they have a stake in, they have nothing. A really smart guy once told me that "correlation doesn't equal causation". 

2) The CDC specifically knocks the 2015 study about masks based on it not having controls.  How many CDC cited studies had controls?  You see a problem there?  No comment on the Bangladesh study?  

If you, the omnipotent interpreter of all things, can't see that all those stories are inconclusive word salads then maybe you aren't the smarty pants you think you are. 

Again- 1 study out of at least 15 listed. 1 STUDY OF 15. You are trying to disprove an entire article because of 1 study when they also did many other studies of various sizes to furhter assess the protections of mask wearing.

Here were the assessments of the Bangladesh study:

 

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The team found that the number of symptomatic cases was lower in treatment villages than in control villages. The decrease was a modest 9%, but the researchers suggest that the true risk reduction is probably much greater, in part because they did no SARS-CoV-2 testing of people without symptoms or whose symptoms did not meet the World Health Organization’s definition of the disease.

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The study linked surgical masks with an 11% drop in risk, compared with a 5% drop for cloth. That finding was reinforced by laboratory experiments whose results are summarized in the same preprint. The data show that even after 10 washes, surgical masks filter out 76% of small particles capable of airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2, says Mushfiq Mobarak, an economist at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, and a co-author of the study. By contrast, the team found that 3-layered cloth masks had a filtration efficiency of only 37% before washing or use.

Neither the laboratory findings nor the mask-trial findings have been peer reviewed.

 

So of course N95's work best. No one argued otherwise. But the numbers show that risk for infection dropped wearing cloth masks. But the stuff has not been peer reviewed as of the latest I can see. 

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

8 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Again- 1 study out of at least 15 listed. 1 STUDY OF 15. You are trying to disprove an entire article because of 1 study when they also did many other studies of various sizes to furhter assess the protections of mask wearing.

People did the exact reverse to dismiss Ivermectin.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

30 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

People did the exact reverse to dismiss Ivermectin.

I believe some of the pushback on Ivermectin was a couple of factors- one in that there is an "animal" and "human" version of the medicine. Two in that it has not been authorized to treat COVID-19 and was being used by many people who were rejecting vaccines and stuff because of reasons but were self diagnosing using this stuff. And then there were people buying it on Amazon and whatnot taking the wrong stuff for what they had.

Without some of those factors it probably does not get portrayed in the manner in which it does which makes us all happy. 

[jerryskids 6,827]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

I don't need a safe space. But there was no need to be a condescending d!ck when you were

If you are interested in conversation, I request again the data which shows that Covid is sufficiently dangerous to young children to justify that schools schools implement vaccines, masks, and closures in the event of a case or two.  

[Fireballer 2,642]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

Again- 1 study out of at least 15 listed. 1 STUDY OF 15. You are trying to disprove an entire article because of 1 study when they also did many other studies of various sizes to furhter assess the protections of mask wearing.

Here were the assessments of the Bangladesh study:

 

So of course N95's work best. No one argued otherwise. But the numbers show that risk for infection dropped wearing cloth masks. But the stuff has not been peer reviewed as of the latest I can see. 

 

We arent arguing N95 efficacy.  I stated that, in the Bangladesh study, people were wearing triple layer masks,  with polypropylene layer, that had an efficacy of 95% filtration.  So basically, they were wearing N95s.  A large swath of people wearing 95% filtering masks, and adhering to social distancing, doesn't make it "pretty clear" that our masking mandates are slowing community spread to any appreciable degree.

[jerryskids 6,827]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

Again- 1 study out of at least 15 listed. 1 STUDY OF 15. You are trying to disprove an entire article because of 1 study when they also did many other studies of various sizes to furhter assess the protections of mask wearing.

Here were the assessments of the Bangladesh study:

 

So of course N95's work best. No one argued otherwise. But the numbers show that risk for infection dropped wearing cloth masks. But the stuff has not been peer reviewed as of the latest I can see. 

 

An economist did the study?  

[TimHauck 2,906]

6 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

We arent arguing N95 efficacy.  I stated that, in the Bangladesh study, people were wearing triple layer masks,  with polypropylene layer, that had an efficacy of 95% filtration.  So basically, they were wearing N95s.  A large swath of people wearing 95% filtering masks, and adhering to social distancing, doesn't make it "pretty clear" that our masking mandates are slowing community spread to any appreciable degree.

I thought the Bangladesh study was surgical masks?

There was also a recent criticism of that article which I had posted previously - 

 

Although some of the article is over my head, they don't seem to be doubting the numbers (including that the end result was still statistically signifcant), just calling out that out of hundreds of thousands of people, the difference was 20 cases.

 

[Fireballer 2,642]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I thought the Bangladesh study was surgical masks?

You can call anything a surgical mask, I guess.  But the Bangladesh masks were triple layer to include a layer of polypropylene.  They were estimated to have a 95% efficacy, which an N95 does.

[nobody 2,691]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

You can call anything a surgical mask, I guess.  But the Bangladesh masks were triple layer to include a layer of polypropylene.  They were estimated to have a 95% efficacy, which an N95 does.

Are we talking vaccine 95% efficacy or real 95% efficacy?

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

48 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

If you are interested in conversation, I request again the data which shows that Covid is sufficiently dangerous to young children to justify that schools schools implement vaccines, masks, and closures in the event of a case or two.  

We tried this already and you went down the road you went down. Kids up through teenagers still get sick from COVID. There is still some debate about the long term ramifications of all of that. Again too I've argued that the constant flow of disruptions for students helps contribute to the angst and disconnect they are already feeling which plays into mental health....you know- the thing you say you are concerned about.

Also, your last tag there is once again obfuscating the point I made a number of times to try and fit your narrative. I've seen you do this numerous times now over the course of the past few weeks. It's old. Either you want to genuinely discuss things or you don't. I'm cool either way but I want to know the parameters and rules you want to set before I continue.

35 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

We arent arguing N95 efficacy.  I stated that, in the Bangladesh study, people were wearing triple layer masks,  with polypropylene layer, that had an efficacy of 95% filtration.  So basically, they were wearing N95s.  A large swath of people wearing 95% filtering masks, and adhering to social distancing, doesn't make it "pretty clear" that our masking mandates are slowing community spread to any appreciable degree.

So you are back to ignoring portions of an article? Cool. Cool cool cool. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

27 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

You can call anything a surgical mask, I guess.  But the Bangladesh masks were triple layer to include a layer of polypropylene.  They were estimated to have a 95% efficacy, which an N95 does.

I believe most of the blue surgical masks are "triple layer with a layer of polypropylene" - https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/5927549/BYD-Care-Level-3-Surgical-Masks/;jsessionid=0000uDlI4VNR-tQxhbTYUagfeB9:1crjkcgcd#Description

[Baker Boy 1,703]

Studies can show anything they want to show. I choose to look at what is really happening and I make my decisions from that.

Lock down state death totals are not better than open states.

Vaccinated people can get Covid.

Vaccinated people can give Covid to others.

Vaccinated people can die from Covid.

Congress is exempt from Covid Vaccine mandates.

USPS is exempt from Covid vaccine mandates.

Hundreds of thousands of non vaccinated illegal aliens are being released into the USA.

Lawmakers don’t follow their own mandates.

The CDC refuses to acknowledge natural immunity 

If you are vaccinated you still have to wear a mask.

Sports attendance, not a super spreader like CDC predicted 

FDA wants 55 years to process FOIA request over vaccine data

[Baker Boy 1,703]

Santa To Replace 'Naughty Or Nice' List With 'Vaxxed Or Unvaxxed' List

https://babylonbee.com/news/santa-to-replace-naughty-or-nice-list-with-vaxxed-or-unvaxxed-list

[edjr 6,608]

January will be 3 years at my current company. more than 1/2 of that I have worked from home and continue to do so.  Thank you covid

[TimHauck 2,906]

28 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Studies can show anything they want to show. I choose to look at what is really happening and I make my decisions from that.

Lock down state death totals are not better than open states.

Vaccinated people can get Covid.

Vaccinated people can give Covid to others.

Vaccinated people can die from Covid.

Congress is exempt from Covid Vaccine mandates.

USPS is exempt from Covid vaccine mandates.

Hundreds of thousands of non vaccinated illegal aliens are being released into the USA.

Lawmakers don’t follow their own mandates.

The CDC refuses to acknowledge natural immunity 

If you are vaccinated you still have to wear a mask.

Sports attendance, not a super spreader like CDC predicted 

FDA wants 55 years to process FOIA request over vaccine data

already responded to this in the other thread

[Baker Boy 1,703]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

already responded to this in the other thread

and didn’t disprove any of it. These are facts and you deal only in the studies you choose and want to believe. That is the difference between us
 

Don’t be afraid to see what you see!

BTW: That post had nothing to do with you.

[lod001 1,344]

1 hour ago, Baker Boy said:

Studies can show anything they want to show. I choose to look at what is really happening and I make my decisions from that.

Lock down state death totals are not better than open states.

Vaccinated people can get Covid.

Vaccinated people can give Covid to others.

Vaccinated people can die from Covid.

Congress is exempt from Covid Vaccine mandates.

USPS is exempt from Covid vaccine mandates.

Hundreds of thousands of non vaccinated illegal aliens are being released into the USA.

Lawmakers don’t follow their own mandates.

The CDC refuses to acknowledge natural immunity 

If you are vaccinated you still have to wear a mask.

Sports attendance, not a super spreader like CDC predicted 

FDA wants 55 years to process FOIA request over vaccine data

And there are a shitload more of these.

jab juice, 100% SAFE & EFFECTIVE...even though it has killed 1000s and doesn't work. Now you losers need to go get jab #4 cause that 3rd one is wearing off.

[jerryskids 6,827]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

We tried this already and you went down the road you went down. Kids up through teenagers still get sick from COVID. There is still some debate about the long term ramifications of all of that. Again too I've argued that the constant flow of disruptions for students helps contribute to the angst and disconnect they are already feeling which plays into mental health....you know- the thing you say you are concerned about.

Also, your last tag there is once again obfuscating the point I made a number of times to try and fit your narrative. I've seen you do this numerous times now over the course of the past few weeks. It's old. Either you want to genuinely discuss things or you don't. I'm cool either way but I want to know the parameters and rules you want to set before I continue.

Sorry if this sounds snarky and sets you off, but you seem to struggle between data and opinion.  What you typed is the latter, and irrelevant to my question.  And a repeat of you posting things which don't address my question, which I asked in good faith.

That question, which I'll ask for the umpteenth time, I can't think of a clearer way to ask, so to save myself time I'll copy and paste it:

If you are interested in conversation, I request again the data which shows that Covid is sufficiently dangerous to young children to justify that schools implement vaccines, masks, and closures in the event of a case or two

Instead you respond by telling me kids get sick with Covid (duh), and a presumption of closures causing disruptions when I'm asking again why we need the closures?

I'm open to discussing the debate you mentioned about long-term impacts of Covid on kids, since I was not aware that it was a heated debate so I'd be interested in learning more.  But not until you answer the fundamental questions I'm asking.  Otherwise this is Groundhog Day with the CRT discussion and I've got better things to do.   

[TimHauck 2,906]

54 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

and didn’t disprove any of it. These are facts and you deal only in the studies you choose and want to believe. That is the difference between us
 

Don’t be afraid to see what you see!

BTW: That post had nothing to do with you.

USPS isn't exempt from mandate - https://www.govexec.com/management/2021/11/osha-vaccine-rule-applies-postal-service-employees/186642/

[Baker Boy 1,703]

Congress is exempt from the COVID-19 vaccine mandate, as are the Judicial branch and the United States Post Office (USPS). These governmental branches are exempt in their own right—but not because of Biden’s EO.
 

https://uncoverdc.com/2021/09/21/congress-executive-judicial-branches-usps-exempt-from-vaccine-mandates/#:~:text=Congress%2C Executive%2C Judicial Branches%2C USPS Exempt From Vaccine,their own right—but not because of Biden’s EO.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Follow the Science they say….

 

[lod001 1,344]

What is going on is just psychotic behavior by those in power. If you have not figured it out yet, the jab juice causes myocarditis, it kills and causes blood clots. So what is this about? Pretty obvious. A weaker strain has come out and they are using it to blame all these jab juice injuries and fatalities on. 

This is a complete lie. 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/amp/

How do we know? Because myocarditis was not the problem it is now. where were the warnings last year? Oh there were not the level of heart issues there are now. If you got the juice, good luck. you are gonna need it.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

COVID claims alt-right anti-vaccination Christian-broadcaster ultranut.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/marcus-lamb-anti-vaccine-christian-broadcaster-dies-covid-battle-rcna7139

Oops.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Covid is not going away people.  LeBron James has been jabbed more than Jenna Jameson and he caught Covid.  Unlike Polio or other disease, Covid can live in animals, and unless we are going to vaccinate every living animal with a better vaccine we have than now (that sorta works for six months) then there will be Covid and variants forever.  

Covid in Pets

Covid is a reality FOREVER people.  Just like the Flu has been.  There IS NO SUCH thing as eradication, get that through your thick skulls.  The vulnerable should vaccinate and distance as much as possible.  The medical and scientific community needs to continue to create and modify vaccines and THERAPEUTICS when and if people get sick.  

After that we keep it moving, life goes on.  Fock your mandates.  

ETA: and why the fock aren't people demanding to find out the root cause of this shiot?  We all really know but its not "official".  It's like the 12th line item all things Covid to learn on their list.  It smells....

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Make sure you lineup for your 5th jab Tim. It will help you against omnicron. Science!!

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On 11/30/2021 at 4:19 PM, Sean Mooney said:

I've seen some of the people here. Yes- I am the only one who can properly interpret things after seeing how they process things. But hey- you all are free to do your own research and assess validity of news items legitimately. 

But yeah- it's easier to just stay in your bubble like so many here. 

I’m smart, not like everyone says, like dumb!   I’m smart, and I want respect! 

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7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Sorry if this sounds snarky and sets you off, but you seem to struggle between data and opinion.  What you typed is the latter, and irrelevant to my question.  And a repeat of you posting things which don't address my question, which I asked in good faith.

That question, which I'll ask for the umpteenth time, I can't think of a clearer way to ask, so to save myself time I'll copy and paste it:

If you are interested in conversation, I request again the data which shows that Covid is sufficiently dangerous to young children to justify that schools implement vaccines, masks, and closures in the event of a case or two

Instead you respond by telling me kids get sick with Covid (duh), and a presumption of closures causing disruptions when I'm asking again why we need the closures?

I'm open to discussing the debate you mentioned about long-term impacts of Covid on kids, since I was not aware that it was a heated debate so I'd be interested in learning more.  But not until you answer the fundamental questions I'm asking.  Otherwise this is Groundhog Day with the CRT discussion and I've got better things to do.   

It's baffling that you acknowledge I'm right on things I say yet you don't see how these things are connected. Maybe you just don't want to?

As to giving you a source, or sources, I know what will happen. I could give you some source and you will find some way to obfuscate the point yet again or move the goalposts in some impossible to argue fashion. And like you- I've got better things to do at this point. 

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6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

It's baffling that you acknowledge I'm right on things I say yet you don't see how these things are connected. Maybe you just don't want to?

As to giving you a source, or sources, I know what will happen. I could give you some source and you will find some way to obfuscate the point yet again or move the goalposts in some impossible to argue fashion. And like you- I've got better things to do at this point. 

Nailed it.