Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Another example of why the media and politicians suck.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1465145531655548928?s=20

[TimmySmith 2,782]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Another example of why the media and politicians suck.

Useless without pics.  

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

10 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Useless without pics.  

Watch the video

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

17 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Another example of why the media and politicians suck.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1465145531655548928?s=20

lol at one of the first comments shifting to Al Gore and him being right about climate change

people still believe that moron?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Watch the video

wood

[TimmySmith 2,782]

33 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Watch the video

I was referring to the sucking. 

[lod001 1,344]

Right here is a yahoo article where they forgot to proof read it. It shows the complete ignorance of a doctor who claims that the unjabbed are causing this farce to continue.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nurse-moves-forefront-anti-vaccine-003300644.html

Here are his quotes which completely contradict themselves but he's too stupid to realize it. This level of complete ignorance is beyond hope. This is not who you would ever want as a doctor. He's a moron.

New Hampshire was slow to make monoclonal antibodies available but eventually did so early this year. Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic medicine for animals, is widely dismissed by doctors as an effective treatment for COVID-19. But it has been used for years on people for other ailments...without killing 1000s.

Limited evidence shows that Ivermectin may be helpful in treating COVID-19 for some patients, just as hydroxychloroquine has shown to be, Sobelson said.

But he disputed the notion of basing an entire strategy for controlling a pandemic on treatments that have not gone through scientific rigor. Um what about your jab juice which is killing healthy people.

Sobelson also acknowledged that the vaccines have not been subject to long-term studies; time hasn't permitted it. But 1,500 people are dying every day in the United States from the disease, he said. I see, its ok for an experimental useless product that has failed miserably. He agrees with the idiots who based the whole strategy on a failed jab and only after its miserable failure did they go to the monoclonal antibodies. Now who's killing patients?

So it's ok to use a unproven jab to try and control the virus (which it has completely failed to do so) but its not ok to use ivermectin even though he admits it works.

Limited evidence shows that Ivermectin may be helpful in treating COVID-19 for some patients, just as hydroxychloroquine has shown to be, Sobelson said.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,504]

1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

   The entire covid narrative has been based on correlation equals causation.  Where did "excess deaths" come from in the first place? 

But it sounded so good when Sean said it. 

[Baker Boy 1,703]

Top 5 states with most daily COVID cases are now blue states, bottom 5 are mostly red.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-coronavirus-outbreaks-states-ranked

[TimHauck 2,906]

32 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Top 5 states with most daily COVID cases are now blue states, bottom 5 are mostly red.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-coronavirus-outbreaks-states-ranked

cases, lol

[nobody 2,691]

How many deaths are we having per week over this dumb shìt?  If it's under 4000, why are we still worrying about this?  We have to save everyone's life now?

[KSB2424 3,148]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

How many deaths are we having per week over this dumb shìt?  If it's under 4000, why are we still worrying about this?  We have to save everyone's life now?

It’s a religion now.  It gives people power over others.  

[lod001 1,344]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

cases, lol

But the Michigan clowns says that it's outta control in their state. See where I'm going with this? You jab pimpers can't get your story straight. They (michigan leaders) say it's outta control, you laugh and say 'so what it's only cases'. That's what happens when your whole story is a lie. No one can keep the lie straight.

So if it's only cases and its all unjabbed then what is the point of jabbing since A. it doesn't work and B. they don't need it apparently since its 'only cases'.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/25/covid-cases-increase-michigan-minnesota/

[lod001 1,344]

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

How many deaths are we having per week over this dumb shìt?  If it's under 4000, why are we still worrying about this?  We have to save everyone's life now?

Infinitely more than the last 2 years flu count where where they were actually counted as covid.

[TimHauck 2,906]

29 minutes ago, nobody said:

How many deaths are we having per week over this dumb shìt?  If it's under 4000, why are we still worrying about this?  We have to save everyone's life now?

Looks like a little more than that in the latest week (and probably going to go up).

But 4000 a week is 200k+ deaths/year.   That would still be the 3rd highest cause of death and 4-5x higher than average yearly flu deaths.

[TimHauck 2,906]

36 minutes ago, lod001 said:

But the Michigan clowns says that it's outta control in their state. See where I'm going with this? You jab pimpers can't get your story straight. They (michigan leaders) say it's outta control, you laugh and say 'so what it's only cases'. That's what happens when your whole story is a lie. No one can keep the lie straight.

So if it's only cases and its all unjabbed then what is the point of jabbing since A. it doesn't work and B. they don't need it apparently since its 'only cases'.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/25/covid-cases-increase-michigan-minnesota/

I didn't say it was out of control.   But 1) in highly vaccinated states, cases don't correlate as closely to deaths as they do in lowly vaccinated states.   And 2) many of the lowly vaccinated states test less, so not really fair to compare case rates across states.

[Baker Boy 1,703]

30 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I didn't say it was out of control.   But 1) in highly vaccinated states, cases don't correlate as closely to deaths as they do in lowly vaccinated states.   And 2) many of the lowly vaccinated states test less, so not really fair to compare case rates across states.

I would be interested in reading that link.

[TheNewGirl 1,498]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I didn't say it was out of control.   But 1) in highly vaccinated states, cases don't correlate as closely to deaths as they do in lowly vaccinated states.   And 2) many of the lowly vaccinated states test less, so not really fair to compare case rates across states.

Do you have a link on this? 

 

 

[Casual Observer 597]

7 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I'm honestly not totally convinced that Delta was deadlier.  I think it was at least comparable though, and it was definitely more transmissable.    So more cases (especially with everything opening back up too) = more deaths.

Cases, lol.

[Casual Observer 597]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I didn't say it was out of control.   But 1) in highly vaccinated states, cases don't correlate as closely to deaths as they do in lowly vaccinated states.   And 2) many of the lowly vaccinated states test less, so not really fair to compare case rates across states.

Do we not agree that in order to have a Covid death, one must first have a Covid case?  Can you stop contradicting yourself within the span of one page, FFS.

[TimHauck 2,906]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

Do you have a link on this? 

 

 

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-testing/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel={"colId":"Daily Tests Per Million Population","sort":"asc"}

even that Fox News article mentions this at the very end

21 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

Do we not agree that in order to have a Covid death, one must first have a Covid case?  Can you stop contradicting yourself within the span of one page, FFS.

Correct, cases have relevance in their relation to deaths as there is generally a correlation.  However, that correlation has changed greatly since the introduction of vaccines, and has been proven to be less correlated with highly vaccinated areas than lesser vaccinated areas.  So, that combined with different states testing at different rates makes it a little silly to compare cases across states, especially when not also mentioning deaths (which the Fox News article did not).

[TimHauck 2,906]

I also think it’s funny the Covid anti-vaxxers have resorted to the argument of “look at all the cases in Vermont!  The vaccines don’t work!” when a year ago it was “who cares about cases?” or “it’s a disease so deadly you have to be tested to even know you have it.”  It’s funny no one here sees the hypocrisy and is in fact taking part in it. 

[lod001 1,344]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I didn't say it was out of control.   But 1) in highly vaccinated states, cases don't correlate as closely to deaths as they do in lowly vaccinated states.   And 2) many of the lowly vaccinated states test less, so not really fair to compare case rates across states.

I know. That's what i am saying. You jab pimpers can't get your stories straight. You say big deal on the # of cases, the psychos running Michigan say its a crisis. 

[lod001 1,344]

16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I also think it’s funny the Covid anti-vaxxers have resorted to the argument of “look at all the cases in Vermont!  The vaccines don’t work!” when a year ago it was “who cares about cases?” or “it’s a disease so deadly you have to be tested to even know you have it.”  It’s funny no one here sees the hypocrisy and is in fact taking part in it. 

 We aren't arguing anything. We are simply posting the exact same 'argument' the jab pimpers have been using to show them how bad their take on the whole situation is.

We laughed at the whining about the cases in FL, knowing it was the correct approach and that eventually cases would drop and are simply stating the same now about Vermont to make you vaxtards look stupid. In FL it was "if you would all get jabbed you wouldn't have all these cases". Well now we don't and we aren't jabbed like Vermont.

Us Anti-death jabbers have always said the garbage wasn't going to work and it doesn't'. The jab pimpers continue to move the goalposts to fit their agenda of everyone must get the jab.

[nobody 2,691]

38 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I also think it’s funny the Covid anti-vaxxers have resorted to the argument of “look at all the cases in Vermont!  The vaccines don’t work!” when a year ago it was “who cares about cases?” or “it’s a disease so deadly you have to be tested to even know you have it.”  It’s funny no one here sees the hypocrisy and is in fact taking part in it. 

Relax.  I see the hypocrisy of it.

[nobody 2,691]

12 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Anti-death jabbers

[NorthernVike 2,087]

58 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I also think it’s funny the Covid anti-vaxxers have resorted to the argument of “look at all the cases in Vermont!  The vaccines don’t work!” when a year ago it was “who cares about cases?” or “it’s a disease so deadly you have to be tested to even know you have it.”  It’s funny no one here sees the hypocrisy and is in fact taking part in it. 

Good gawd you're a putz.

[TimHauck 2,906]

14 minutes ago, NorthernVike said:

Good gawd you're a putz.

Got nothing I see 

[Djgb13 2,339]

Can someone tell me how the Omicron variant got into Australia if the unvaxxed can’t enter or leave? 

[TimHauck 2,906]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

 We aren't arguing anything. We are simply posting the exact same 'argument' the jab pimpers have been using to show them how bad their take on the whole situation is.

We laughed at the whining about the cases in FL, knowing it was the correct approach and that eventually cases would drop and are simply stating the same now about Vermont to make you vaxtards look stupid. In FL it was "if you would all get jabbed you wouldn't have all these cases". Well now we don't and we aren't jabbed like Vermont.

Us Anti-death jabbers have always said the garbage wasn't going to work and it doesn't'. The jab pimpers continue to move the goalposts to fit their agenda of everyone must get the jab.

Lol if you think Vermont’s situation is even remotely as bad as Florida’s was.  In fact it’s probably the perfect illustration of the vaccines preventing deaths.

Vermont population: 624k

Vermont Covid deaths since 4/1: ~182

deaths/million: 292

 

Florida population: 21.5 million 

Florida Covid deaths since 4/1: 27k

deaths/million:  1256

[NorthernVike 2,087]

12 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Lol if you think Vermont’s situation is even remotely as bad as Florida’s was.  In fact it’s probably the perfect illustration of the vaccines preventing deaths.

Vermont population: 624k

Vermont Covid deaths since 4/1: ~182

deaths/million: 292

 

Florida population: 21.5 million 

Florida Covid deaths since 4/1: 27k

deaths/million:  1256

Or it could be that Florida has 20.1% of it's population over 65 which would be 4.2 million people or almost 8 times the entire population of Vermont.  So you could say they are doing very good  for deaths/million  considering.  

[TimHauck 2,906]

4 minutes ago, NorthernVike said:

Or it could be that Florida has 20.1% of it's population over 65 which would be 4.2 million people or almost 8 times the entire population of Vermont.  So you could say they are doing very good  for deaths/million  considering.  

Vermont has 19.4% of its population over 65.  So no, that doesn't explain Florida having over 4x the deaths/million, try again.

If anything, jerryskids probably has the best argument in terms of Vermont having a wealthier, whiter, more remote population.  But I still don't think that explains an over 4x difference.

[TimHauck 2,906]

22 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

Oh man...let's play a game to see who doesn't understand sample size around here now. 

Yup...

 

 

[jerryskids 6,827]

Read an article about some local school districts relaxing mask mandates and saw this quote:

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“I think this is an issue of misplaced confidence,” said Dr. Ruth Franks Snedecor, who works at the University of Arizona College of Medicine. “Vaccination doesn’t prevent the spread of COVID, it just means when you are infected you are less likely to require hospitalization or see long-term effects.”

I certainly agree with the second part.  But is the first part true?  Does vaccination have no effect on transmission?  If so, the ONLY reason I could remotely see rationalizing the vaccination of young kids is to reduce the number of old fat teachers and old fat granny and grampas from getting it.  If that is not the case, then it is a focking travesty that we are vaccinating, masking, and social distancing our children.  Well, it already is a travesty (what culture hurts their children at the expense of the elderly and infirmed?), just more of one.

And on a wider scale, that would make those things personal decisions for all people.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

18 hours ago, lod001 said:

But the Michigan clowns says that it's outta control in their state. See where I'm going with this? You jab pimpers can't get your story straight. They (michigan leaders) say it's outta control, you laugh and say 'so what it's only cases'. That's what happens when your whole story is a lie. No one can keep the lie straight.

So if it's only cases and its all unjabbed then what is the point of jabbing since A. it doesn't work and B. they don't need it apparently since its 'only cases'.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/25/covid-cases-increase-michigan-minnesota/

I always thought Tim and the gang said vaccinated are less likely to transmit covid.  Give or receive.  So if that is thr case then why is it "cases, lol". 

And yes I agree....why are Dem states going back to mask mandates if cases are no big concern? 

Goofy 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

15 hours ago, TimHauck said:

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-testing/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel={"colId":"Daily Tests Per Million Population","sort":"asc"}

even that Fox News article mentions this at the very end

Correct, cases have relevance in their relation to deaths as there is generally a correlation.  However, that correlation has changed greatly since the introduction of vaccines, and has been proven to be less correlated with highly vaccinated areas than lesser vaccinated areas.  So, that combined with different states testing at different rates makes it a little silly to compare cases across states, especially when not also mentioning deaths (which the Fox News article did not).

So why are Dem states going to mask mandates if cases mean little and it is based on just testing more?

You would think more vaccinated means less symptoms or infection means would have to test less.  Seems logical to me but doesn't seem to be the case.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

Here is what schools come down to: We learned in the spring of 2020 and in the school year of 2021 that online learning does not really work for a vast majority of kids. Some kids excel but they need to be super motivated and self-starting and far too many kids are not like that. Also, many people who were fake concerned about things were saying stuff like "Kids are suffering socially and mentally and depression and suicide numbers are skyrocketing." I say fake concerned because those things have been major problems for a while and are still problems yet no one seems to care all that much anymore. 

So the choices are: We leave kids unmasked, and COVID cases spread in schools and we end up probably being shut down for a long period of time again or kids mask up and we stay in person.

So what do you value more? Me personally- I'd rather wear a mask until I retire if it means kids will be in person learning. 

[jerryskids 6,827]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Here is what schools come down to: We learned in the spring of 2020 and in the school year of 2021 that online learning does not really work for a vast majority of kids. Some kids excel but they need to be super motivated and self-starting and far too many kids are not like that. Also, many people who were fake concerned about things were saying stuff like "Kids are suffering socially and mentally and depression and suicide numbers are skyrocketing." I say fake concerned because those things have been major problems for a while and are still problems yet no one seems to care all that much anymore. 

So the choices are: We leave kids unmasked, and COVID cases spread in schools and we end up probably being shut down for a long period of time again or kids mask up and we stay in person.

So what do you value more? Me personally- I'd rather wear a mask until I retire if it means kids will be in person learning. 

I believe that is a false choice.  First, the data on masks is marginal at best, and certainly for kids who aren't exactly wearing N95s with tight seals.  Second, there is virtually no concern about kids cases. 

I choose kids in school, no masks, no distancing, no vaccines.  If your kid is morbidly obese and/or has significant comorbidities we'll make accommodations.  Otherwise we are significantly hurting the social development of an entire generation of kids.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

14 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Lol if you think Vermont’s situation is even remotely as bad as Florida’s was.  In fact it’s probably the perfect illustration of the vaccines preventing deaths.

Vermont population: 624k

Vermont Covid deaths since 4/1: ~182

deaths/million: 292

 

Florida population: 21.5 million 

Florida Covid deaths since 4/1: 27k

deaths/million:  1256

No one goes to Vermont, everyone goes to Florida.  The other shoe hasn't dropped in any State that closed down.  The only way to slow the spread to have a high number of people have have had it. 

[nobody 2,691]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Yup...

 

 

What a douche.  No "Hey, encouraging, but let's qualify that it's anecdotal." 

It's got to be, "Stop repeating anecdotes of mild cases" Obviously we need everyone scared at all times.