Coronavirus - Doomsday

[FeelingMN 273]

4 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

I have zero faith in humanity. All we have to do is sit our azz at home. Doctors and nurses are risking their focking lives every day. They are running out of masks and other PPE. But NOOOOO one 60 degree day in Michigan and people flock to the Ice cream parlor. Don't worry people aren't getting too close to each other. FOCK all we have to do is sit at home. Is that so hard? We all have literally any movie we want to watch, book we want to read, game we want to play, whatever at our fingertips. We can facetime or zoom or whatever with all of our loved ones. We can have groceries delivered to our doors, or brought straight to our cars. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO IN TO GET GROCERIES!!! Hell restaurants will bring food to your car like a drive-in.

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS STAY FOCKING HOME FOR FOCK SAKES!

Right on, man.....completely agree......but I'm getting low on beer.   

[supermike80 1,943]

9 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, I’m taking this thing pretty serious, doing what I’m asked. It ain’t fun with two little kids, but it’s the right thing. A-holes can’t sit put for a few days? 

I haven't left the house, except to go on my porch, for 4 days.  It sucks but it has to happen

[Cloaca du jour 2,151]

I need to go to store today...rx and get brakes to work on my car.

Only 3 cases in my county...playing the odds

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

I haven't left the house, except to go on my porch, for 4 days.  It sucks but it has to happen

Yup. I went to work on Tuesday for 5 minutes to pick up a key card and got gas. Washed hands, used hand sanitizer and kept at least 6 feet from others. 

I do think it is also incumbent upon us to call out those who are not following the directives. I have been calling out friends who are still treating this as nothing related to them. Don’t be afraid to say something to people. We need some peer pressure too.

Now, my oldest is a different story. He is still working construction because it is deemed “essential”. I know he can’t afford to lose his job, but I tell him he needs to skip Dunkin’ Donuts and any interactions with people. He would be a carrier. 

Definitely not an easy situation, but we need to all be rowing in the same direction.

[supermike80 1,943]

1 minute ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Yup. I went to work on Tuesday for 5 minutes to pick up a key card and got gas. Washed hands, used hand sanitizer and kept at least 6 feet from others. 

I do think it is also incumbent upon us to call out those who are not following the directives. I have been calling out friends who are still treating this as nothing related to them. Don’t be afraid to say something to people. We need some peer pressure too.

Now, my oldest is a different story. He is still working construction because it is deemed “essential”. I know he can’t afford to lose his job, but I tell him he needs to skip Dunkin’ Donuts and any interactions with people. He would be a carrier. 

Definitely not an easy situation, but we need to all be rowing in the same direction.

Before the lockdown, I did this a couple times in our work bathroom when I saw some assbag not wash his hands--a token rinse.  I said something to them...two times

[Gladiators 1,998]

7 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Before the lockdown, I did this a couple times in our work bathroom when I saw some assbag not wash his hands--a token rinse.  I said something to them...two times

Happened last week here at work, but worse.  Guy from the shop walks into the bathroom, grabs some paper towel, blows his nose, opens the door and walks out.  I was pissing and needed to wash my hands before trying to chase him down. Fortunately, I knew what he looked like, so I told our shop manager to find him and talk to him.  Fockin' moron.

[Hawkeye21 2,406]

7 hours ago, FeelingMN said:

Right on, man.....completely agree......but I'm getting low on beer.   

I've been getting growlers filled at my local brewery.  It's been working well.

[vuduchile 1,945]

8 hours ago, Voltaire said:

So you think your better option is to remain debt free, stash everything in your basement and suspend work for a while, then re-open later? When the crisis clears, how fast do you think that you can you get back up and running?

At this point, everything is on the table. 

On the personal front, my local bank agreed to give us a 6 month mortgage forbearance yesterday.  So, no home mortgage payments until October.  The six months of payments are tacked onto the end of the note and interest still accrues.  This gives us some breathing room and keeps us from blowing through our emergency fund while this plays out.  I suspect a lot of banks are ready to make these deals right now.  It probably helped us a little that the CEO of this bank and I serve on the same church council.  He's not exactly a friend, but he is an acquaintance.  

My landlord's initial response to my letter requesting postponed rent was "We're are trying to get our heads around all this.  We hope to have an answer for you by the end of the week."  If they'll hold off on rent and cam charges until the world re-opens, we should be fine.  If not, we'll need to look at other options.  I have almost 2 years left on a 5 year lease.  I may offer to sign for another 5 years at a lower rate if they agree to postpone some rent.  Otherwise, I may default on the lease and find another cheaper spot.  Defaulting isn't a great idea, since they're likely to sue and get a judgement for the total amount due.  I'd be taking a big risk if I let that happen.  I suppose I could always pull a Trump and file biz bankruptcy, but that would be a last resort option.  

I'm also calling our auto finance companies to see what they can do to postpone payments temporarily.    I can carry the phone, utility and insurance payments for awhile, but if it looks like this will go on longer than a few months, I'll be calling them too.  

Essentially, my strategy is to conserve as much cash as possible during this time period.  

[Drizzay 724]

We have Shelter In Place starting midnight Sat morning (MN).  It is not much different than what is currently instituted right now.  I was pleased to see that liquor stores are considered essential.

My company is considered essential and we deal with mostly other essential businesses, so I am happy to have some job security right now, and that they actively told us to work from home.  They put a lot of money in to upgrade our infrastructure to handle all of the remote connections.

[vuduchile 1,945]

11 hours ago, fandandy said:

Agreed.  Another thing that amazes me is how many jobs are considered essential.  Today I talked to a woman whose daughter works for the retailer Sherwin Williams.  They sell paint.  They are considered essential.  I had no idea paint was essential.  Either we are going to take this seriously, all buckle down and get through it ASAP, or we are not.  These half measures are pissing me off.  

 

11 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

People need to paint. I mean if we can't paint my bathroom I don't want to live.

 I’ll preface this by saying that our showroom is closed now and was open only by appointment prior to the shut down mandate. We had a system in place where customers were allowed in one at a time to shop or pick up materials 100% free from human contact. Anyway, closing now is the right thing to do.

Bu this state wide shut down is not completely logical or practical. It’s also very difficult to monitor or enforce.

Menards, Home Depot and Lowe’s are all open as usual because they’re considered essential to construction infrastructure.

Do you think they’ve roped off their flooring departments and have ceased selling flooring during this time because it’s a non-essential product?

What about their kitchen cabinet design department? Are they essential? Window treatments? You get my point.

Are they better equipped to limit customer contact than a small, independent retail operation?

Their avg daily traffic count is at least 100X more than our little store. There’s no way in hell they can limit exposure the way a small store can.

Those 3 chains alone being open nearby does more to expose the public to this virus than all the current construction projects in the area combined.

Small businesses face enough challenges in this community.

Little support from residents and other businesses in the community, local government restrictions and politics, shortage of qualified employees, expensive tenancy costs, etc.

I am confident we will come through this and continue to serve the community where we operate and where my family lives.  But it’s hard to stand by and watch our government give favorable treatment to the behemoths of the industry in this time of crisis.

I have family that works at both Lowe's and HD.  They're telling me their stores are swamped and selling all kinds of home improvement products because people are taking time to work on their homes.   Thanks Governor!  Way to help the big boxes extend their competitive advantage over the mom and pops.  

Don't be surprised if both HD and Lowe's have stronger than expected earnings reports this quarter.  

[joneo 558]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I've been getting growlers filled at my local brewery.  It's been working well.

#metoo

[Hawkeye21 2,406]

2 minutes ago, joneo said:

#metoo

Our brewery started online ordering now and it's pretty awesome.  I ordered some food and a growler fill and paid for it online.  My wife brought my growler into town, got it filled and picked up the food to bring home.  Worked well.

[fandandy 3,313]

We have all been watching this play out here since at least mid-January, many of us since even earlier than that. Why did we wait so long to shut down flights into this country?  What if we had shut down all inbound flights in January?  How could that decision possibly have hurt the US economy more than what we are doing now?   There have been instances in the past, 9-11 comes to mind, where we allow the government to completely alter our long term reality in response to a singular event.  I think the same thing is happening now.

[drobeski 3,061]

13 minutes ago, fandandy said:

We have all been watching this play out here since at least mid-January, many of us since even earlier than that. Why did we wait so long to shut down flights into this country?  What if we had shut down all inbound flights in January?  How could that decision possibly have hurt the US economy more than what we are doing now?   There have been instances in the past, 9-11 comes to mind, where we allow the government to completely alter our long term reality in response to a singular event.  I think the same thing is happening now.

Political correctness is the enemy of mankind. Trump was chastised and ridiculed for trying to slow/stop this by the same dirtbags who now claim he didnt do enough. 

The blame falls solely on them. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,519]

5 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Political correctness is the enemy of mankind. Trump was chastised and ridiculed for trying to slow/stop this by the same dirtbags who now claim he didnt do enough. 

The blame falls solely on them. 

I guess he missed that. 

[fandandy 3,313]

I didn't miss sh!t.  Did I focking say Trump?  Didn't think so.  

[vuduchile 1,945]

MI Gov is on now telling people her stay at home/stay safe order is not optional

 

[fandandy 3,313]

The entire congress was focused on impeachment but even Trump was playing it down.  Going to rallies, shaking hands with and high fiving anyone he could find.  It just sickens me that we wait until the only supposed answer is to destroy our economy and print trillions more in debt.  This is disgusting.  What happens in a year or two if this happens again?  What do we do then?  Print another few trillion dollars and wish we had enough masks for our medical employees?  

We are governed by retards.

[vuduchile 1,945]

1 minute ago, fandandy said:

 

We are governed by retards.

Yup

 

[fandandy 3,313]

And these stupid focking feel-good stories are starting to piss me off too.  I don't want to feel all warm and fuzzy because Mike Lindell started sewing masks instead of overpriced bullshit pillows.  I want to feel confident that I have a government with enough foresight to have an ample supply of maks on hand in case of a pandemic.  

[vuduchile 1,945]

Upon further review, it looks like the stimulus bill includes a provision for the states to extend unemployment compensation to self-employed people.  They're also adding another $600/wk to the current amount people are receiving.  So, maybe around $900/wk. while the store is shut down? Not a lot, but at least it's something.   So far, the state of MI doesn't have an info on that.  I wonder if I should try to file now anyway? 

[Strike 5,629]

While for everybody, I'm specifically posting this for Supermike, who has been pushing an extremely high mortality rate for the virus:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professors-coronavirus-death-rate-estimate-likely-orders-of-magnitude-too-high

[Gladiators 1,998]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

While for everybody, I'm specifically posting this for Supermike, who has been pushing an extremely high mortality rate for the virus:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professors-coronavirus-death-rate-estimate-likely-orders-of-magnitude-too-high

This backs up my thoughts.  The mortality rate means nothing if the only people being tested are the ones at a high risk of death.  

[Alias Detective 1,414]

1 hour ago, fandandy said:

And these stupid focking feel-good stories are starting to piss me off too.  I don't want to feel all warm and fuzzy because Mike Lindell started sewing masks instead of overpriced bullshit pillows.  I want to feel confident that I have a government with enough foresight to have an ample supply of maks on hand in case of a pandemic.  

I hope a lot of lessons will be learned.  

[Gladiators 1,998]

1 hour ago, fandandy said:

And these stupid focking feel-good stories are starting to piss me off too.  I don't want to feel all warm and fuzzy because Mike Lindell started sewing masks instead of overpriced bullshit pillows.  I want to feel confident that I have a government with enough foresight to have an ample supply of maks on hand in case of a pandemic.  

Did you turn black for a second?

[fandandy 3,313]

Just now, Gladiators said:

Did you turn black for a second?

Ooops.  I edit my posts more than anyone here too I bet because I'm always fat fingering something or forgetting to type a word etc.  I missed that though.

[supermike80 1,943]

25 minutes ago, Strike said:

While for everybody, I'm specifically posting this for Supermike, who has been pushing an extremely high mortality rate for the virus:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professors-coronavirus-death-rate-estimate-likely-orders-of-magnitude-too-high

I have been pushing nothing sir.  And I have been especially not pushing any "extremely high mortality rate"

In fact, I have been one of those that is living by the 80% of people get mild symptoms.

As I have said before, if the mortality rate is small, I am obviously VERY good with that.

 

That's a very encouraging article as well.

ETA.....I guess I am struggling then with the need for all these ventilators.  This is clearly much worse than the flu as far as the strain on the hospitals, as we hear from almost everywhere in the world that the medical systems cannot keep up.  If that's the case, how can we say this is less fatal than the flu?   
Something isn't adding up to me with that.

Another ETA:

If I just do simple math from the Johns Hopkins website.  As of 12:40 Eastern time.  

495,086 confirmed cases

22,295 deaths

That's a 4.5% mortality rate.

 

 

[Cdub100 3,944]

1 hour ago, drobeski said:

Political correctness is the enemy of mankind. Trump was chastised and ridiculed for trying to slow/stop this by the same dirtbags who now claim he didnt do enough. 

The blame falls solely on them. 

Now every democrat and liberal is repeating the lie he called the virus a hoax. Truly disgusting people. They want America to fail. They want Americans to die. They have been programmed to hate themselves, their race, and their country.

[Alias Detective 1,414]

On 3/25/2020 at 10:44 AM, Alias Detective said:

I’m not suggesting you will come out of this better, rather I know you will come out the other end with a business.  Good news is coming for small business owners.

 

45 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Upon further review, it looks like the stimulus bill includes a provision for the states to extend unemployment compensation to self-employed people.  They're also adding another $600/wk to the current amount people are receiving.  So, maybe around $900/wk. while the store is shut down? Not a lot, but at least it's something.   So far, the state of MI doesn't have an info on that.  I wonder if I should try to file now anyway? 

  You and you wife get an additional $2,400. Right?

[vuduchile 1,945]

1 minute ago, Alias Detective said:

 

  You and you wife get an additional $2,400. Right?

Have to look at the income cut off to know for sure

 

[Hawkeye21 2,406]

1 minute ago, Cdub100 said:

Now every democrat and liberal is repeating the lie he called the virus a hoax. Truly disgusting people. They want America to fail. They want Americans to die. They have been programmed to hate themselves, their race, and their country.

I can see why it gets confused by some though, he did say "this is their new hoax."  Sounds like he's implying that making a big deal of the virus is a hoax.

[Alias Detective 1,414]

3 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Have to look at the income cut off to know for sure

 

$150,000 MFJ - $199,999

[Strike 5,629]

12 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I have been pushing nothing sir.  And I have been especially not pushing any "extremely high mortality rate"

In fact, I have been one of those that is living by the 80% of people get mild symptoms.

As I have said before, if the mortality rate is small, I am obviously VERY good with that.

 

That's a very encouraging article as well.

ETA.....I guess I am struggling then with the need for all these ventilators.  This is clearly much worse than the flu as far as the strain on the hospitals, as we hear from almost everywhere in the world that the medical systems cannot keep up.  If that's the case, how can we say this is less fatal than the flu?   
Something isn't adding up to me with that.

Another ETA:

If I just do simple math from the Johns Hopkins website.  As of 12:40 Eastern time.  

495,086 confirmed cases

22,295 deaths

That's a 4.5% mortality rate.

 

 

Oh, BS.  You and I went back and forth after people started dropping left and right in Italy and, even when I tried to reason with you, your only reaction was "I go by what I see", and quoted preliminary Italy mortality statistics that were excessively high and inaccurate.

[Strike 5,629]

14 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

If I just do simple math from the Johns Hopkins website.  As of 12:40 Eastern time.  

495,086 confirmed cases

22,295 deaths

That's a 4.5% mortality rate.

There you go again.  Right after saying you weren't doing it. 

[supermike80 1,943]

Just now, Strike said:

Oh, BS.  You and I went back and forth after people started dropping left and right in Italy and, even when I tried to reason with you, your only reaction was "I go by what I see", and quoted preliminary Italy mortality statistics that were excessively high and inaccurate.

Fair but I guess I am still seeing it.  And I want to believe the article you posted...I really do.  However everything around me tells me this isnt true.

[Strike 5,629]

Just now, supermike80 said:

Fair but I guess I am still seeing it.  And I want to believe the article you posted...I really do.  However everything around me tells me this isnt true.

Find me ONE credible doctor saying there will be an overall, or even in the U.S., 4.5 % mortality rate.  ONE.  Just ONE. 

[supermike80 1,943]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Find me ONE credible doctor saying there will be an overall, or even in the U.S., 4.5 % mortality rate.  ONE.  Just ONE. 

I cant.   But Im also not looking.  I just see it at 4.5% now and I see the hospitals being overrun.  So a report is great but how do we explain the hospital issues.  Or is that all made up?>

[Gladiators 1,998]

15 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Another ETA:

If I just do simple math from the Johns Hopkins website.  As of 12:40 Eastern time.  

495,086 confirmed cases

22,295 deaths

That's a 4.5% mortality rate.

 

 

The math is fine, but it sounds like individuals who are healthy and have minor symptoms are told to stay home and not come in for a test.  I saw an article about Italy in the last few days stating exactly that.  Only the high risk/elderly patients were being tested.  Well if they're only confirming people who are at a high risk of dying from it, the mortality rate is going to be high.

[supermike80 1,943]

2 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

The math is fine, but it sounds like individuals who are healthy and have minor symptoms are told to stay home and not come in for a test.  I saw an article about Italy in the last few days stating exactly that.  Only the high risk/elderly patients were being tested.  Well if they're only confirming people who are at a high risk of dying from it, the mortality rate is going to be high.

Thats an excellent point.   I didn't consider that

[Strike 5,629]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

Thats an excellent point.   I didn't consider that

Even though I brought it up last week?