[** Official President Joe Biden Thread **]

[RLLD 4,143]

6 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

You mean the policies that added $8T to the debt?  That found him entering office with 4.8% unemployment and leaving with 6.7%?  That resulted in never hitting 3% GDP for a year or 4% for even a single quarter?  Policies that almost fractured NATO?  Policies that led him to take Putin's word over US intelligence agencies?  Policies that led to the largest trade deficit in history?  Policies that led to negative 3.2% GDP is his last godawful year?

Bro I think you're thinking of Obama the Great's years.  You know when he saved the country and world from a second depression.

I don't think most of America gives a rats ass about the debt.....honestly.   Every administration, save more maybe Clinton in the 90's has added it so that is not what bothers them.  What bothers them is what it costs to live, and he has not met their expectations in that area. He can either accept that, or be replaced, its just that simple. 

[Raven Fan 362]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I don't think most of America gives a rats ass about the debt.....honestly.   Every administration, save more maybe Clinton in the 90's has added it so that is not what bothers them.  What bothers them is what it costs to live, and he has not met their expectations in that area. He can either accept that, or be replaced, its just that simple. 

As the midterms show, most Americans understand that Trump's adding $10T to the debt created the inflation we're dealing with that Biden is fixing.  So yea, most people do care about the debt and most understand that Trump is the #1 cause of inflation.  Hence why his presidential announcement was met with all the enthusiasm as a wet fart.  Why virtually all of the candidates he supported got curb stomped in the midterms.  Trump bullied the Fed to keep rates low.  Increasing future inflation.  Biden has let the Fed do its work.  Lowering future inflation.

It's a pretty stark contrast boyo.  Note how you didn't comment on Trump's pathetic jobs, GDP, and trade deficit history.  

[RLLD 4,143]

28 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

As the midterms show, most Americans understand that Trump's adding $10T to the debt created the inflation we're dealing with that Biden is fixing.  So yea, most people do care about the debt and most understand that Trump is the #1 cause of inflation.  Hence why his presidential announcement was met with all the enthusiasm as a wet fart.  Why virtually all of the candidates he supported got curb stomped in the midterms.  Trump bullied the Fed to keep rates low.  Increasing future inflation.  Biden has let the Fed do its work.  Lowering future inflation.

It's a pretty stark contrast boyo.  Note how you didn't comment on Trump's pathetic jobs, GDP, and trade deficit history.  

I think your presumption about Trump and the midterms might not be 100% correct.  But time will tell.

I think the main issue could be that 2023 will stack up to be worse than 2022 for most people, and polling will continue to point to Biden as the source of that pain. In some cases rightfully. In truth the President does not have as much control as we give him credit or accountability for. But in leadership everything is always your fault.

He has some accountability. It was unwise to reverse some of those Trump-era policies as they were very good indeed, but people seem to also overlook that Biden actually left many of those policies in place too.  He only really changed the ones that his far left folks in his party were willing to hammer him on if he did not.  He was bought by them to make those changes, unfortunately those were perhaps the worst ones....

[Raven Fan 362]

14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think your presumption about Trump and the midterms might not be 100% correct.  But time will tell.

I think the main issue could be that 2023 will stack up to be worse than 2022 for most people, and polling will continue to point to Biden as the source of that pain. In some cases rightfully. In truth the President does not have as much control as we give him credit or accountability for. But in leadership everything is always your fault.

He has some accountability. It was unwise to reverse some of those Trump-era policies as they were very good indeed, but people seem to also overlook that Biden actually left many of those policies in place too.  He only really changed the ones that his far left folks in his party were willing to hammer him on if he did not.  He was bought by them to make those changes, unfortunately those were perhaps the worst ones....

You still haven't addressed Trump's failings during his 3 normal years.  Terrible GDP growth, increase to the debt compared to Obama, bullied the Fed to keep rates low, tax cuts for the rich that bigly impacted inflation today, worst trade deficit of all time, wondered about pulling the US of of NATO, took Putin's word over US intelligence agencies, etc.

Folks understand quite well that Biden was handed a bowl of chit that he's turning around. 23 will be better than 22 and 24 will be booming.

[RLLD 4,143]

19 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

You still haven't addressed Trump's failings during his 3 normal years.  Terrible GDP growth, increase to the debt compared to Obama, bullied the Fed to keep rates low, tax cuts for the rich that bigly impacted inflation today, worst trade deficit of all time, wondered about pulling the US of of NATO, took Putin's word over US intelligence agencies, etc.

Folks understand quite well that Biden was handed a bowl of chit that he's turning around. 23 will be better than 22 and 24 will be booming.

I am often mystified at the plucking of economic factors as some kind of "proof", Trump did this very same thing all the time and I was really sort of curious at who might be buying into that, but I think plenty did. GDP is not the measure, it is part of the measure.  You will never find a point where all economic measures are happy, and that is ok.  We do the best we can with the market influences....the goal should be to do no harm, and that is where I see Biden failing.

[BirdGang 385]

26 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am often mystified at the plucking of economic factors as some kind of "proof", Trump did this very same thing all the time and I was really sort of curious at who might be buying into that, but I think plenty did. GDP is not the measure, it is part of the measure.  You will never find a point where all economic measures are happy, and that is ok.  We do the best we can with the market influences....the goal should be to do no harm, and that is where I see Biden failing.

I wouldn’t pay any mind as his blinders make his arguments a Maddow segment. Trumps tax reform alone and what he accomplished for small business owners puts him light years ahead of Biden and the disaster he allowed. As you said doing no harm should be the goal, all Biden does is harm. If our whiny Raven was worried about spending he would be attacking Obama who started the printing press to kick the can down the road. 

[RLLD 4,143]

39 minutes ago, BirdGang said:

I wouldn’t pay any mind as his blinders make his arguments a Maddow segment. Trumps tax reform alone and what he accomplished for small business owners puts him light years ahead of Biden and the disaster he allowed. As you said doing no harm should be the goal, all Biden does is harm. If our whiny Raven was worried about spending he would be attacking Obama who started the printing press to kick the can down the road. 

I think if there were to emerge some proof of malfeasance on the part of Trump I would not be shocked, I mean let's be real...he likely has plenty of skeletons in his closet....as does Biden....and McConnell and many others....but!  show me the skeleton that related to actions that were against the interest of this nation, or pointedly FOR that person....

Are these people human? Sure. Do they make mistakes, absolutely....   But can we reasonably discern or assert that there was an action that likely was a corrupt one....I want THAT one.  Those are the ones the media is supposed to be hunting for us, but is not....

[BirdGang 385]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

I think if there were to emerge some proof of malfeasance on the part of Trump I would not be shocked, I mean let's be real...he likely has plenty of skeletons in his closet....as does Biden....and McConnell and many others....but!  show me the skeleton that related to actions that were against the interest of this nation, or pointedly FOR that person....

Are these people human? Sure. Do they make mistakes, absolutely....   But can we reasonably discern or assert that there was an action that likely was a corrupt one....I want THAT one.  Those are the ones the media is supposed to be hunting for us, but is not....

Sure I think we are all on the same page if they find evidence of a legit crime and there’s a conviction then punish him. Unfortunately our friends on the Left couldn’t handle taking an L in the election and instead of putting their big boy pants on and owning it they have spent 5 years crying and throwing everything they can against the wall hoping something sticks. Pathetic behavior, especially after supporting their corrupt candidates. Sad. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

I think if there were to emerge some proof of malfeasance on the part of Trump I would not be shocked, I mean let's be real...he likely has plenty of skeletons in his closet....as does Biden....and McConnell and many others....but!  show me the skeleton that related to actions that were against the interest of this nation, or pointedly FOR that person....

Are these people human? Sure. Do they make mistakes, absolutely....   But can we reasonably discern or assert that there was an action that likely was a corrupt one....I want THAT one.  Those are the ones the media is supposed to be hunting for us, but is not....

nancy pelosi literally encited a riot and nobody does anything.    pelosi should have been removed from office years ago for that. biden literally made a physical threat on then-president trump and nobody does anything.

but they overturn a billion stones to try to find something on trump.

our government is totally corrupt.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,935]

On 3/6/2022 at 9:43 PM, Pimpadeaux said:

I've already answered every one of your questions, and you shot off your commie foot with your idiot MSM accusation. I read everything to get a full picture. I lap up information, but most importantly, I am a free American instead an American commie cuck who gets his keystrokes monitored and lives like the long-winded, pseudointellectual commie beyatch that you are. Fetch my shinebox.

What a phony bastard. Loser. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

The optics here are amazing.  They are flying a Bill, that is largely about climate change to St.Croix to be signed.  

Also said 1.7 TRILLION dollar bill of taxpayers money is being flown to St.Croix while our President is on vacation so a career politician can sign it to spend our money.

Amazing 

 

[Reality 3,098]

3 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

The optics here are amazing.  They are flying a Bill, that is largely about climate change to St.Croix to be signed.  

Also said 1.7 TRILLION dollar bill of taxpayers money is being flown to St.Croix while our President is on vacation so a career politician can sign it to spend our money.

Amazing 

 

That's incredible.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,935]

They don’t give a Fock anymore. They don’t even try to put up appearances. 

[Gladiators 1,964]

10 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

The optics here are amazing.  They are flying a Bill, that is largely about climate change to St.Croix to be signed.  

Also said 1.7 TRILLION dollar bill of taxpayers money is being flown to St.Croix while our President is on vacation so a career politician can sign it to spend our money.

Amazing 

 

Also not the least bit surprising.

[Raven Fan 362]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

The optics here are amazing.  They are flying a Bill, that is largely about climate change to St.Croix to be signed.  

Also said 1.7 TRILLION dollar bill of taxpayers money is being flown to St.Croix while our President is on vacation so a career politician can sign it to spend our money.

Amazing 

 

lol, that is stupid beyond belief.  It's like the Biden team has zero awareness of optics.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

biden could sign it while it is strapped to the back of chinese slaves that are making iphones and the media and democrat base wouldnt get upset.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,935]

Buttegeig  is doing a good job. 

[posty 2,612]

List of Biden Tax Hikes Hitting Americans on Jan. 1

https://www.atr.org/list-of-biden-tax-hikes-hitting-americans-on-jan-1/

President Biden and congressional Democrats imposed a long list of tax increases as part of their “Inflation Reduction Act” passed in 2022.

On Jan. 1, 2023 the following Democrat tax hikes will take effect:

$6.5 Billion Natural Gas Tax Which Will Increase Household Energy Bills       

Think your household energy bills are high now? Just wait until the three major energy taxes in the Inflation Reduction Act hit your wallet. The first is a regressive tax on American oil and gas development. The tax will drive up the cost of household energy bills. The Congressional Budget Office estimates the natural gas tax will increase taxes by $6.5 billion.

The tax hike violates President Biden’s tax pledge to any American making less than $400,000 per year. Biden administration officials have repeatedly admitted taxes that raise consumer energy prices are in violation of President Biden’s $400,000 tax pledge.

A letter to Congress from the American Gas Association warned that the methane tax would amount to a 17% increase on an average family’s natural gas bill. Democrats have included a tax in the bill despite retail prices for energy surpassing multi-year highs in the United States.

$12 Billion Crude Oil Tax Which Will Increase Household Costs

Democrats are imposing a 16.4 cents-per-barrel tax on crude oil and imported petroleum products that will be passed on to consumers in the form of higher gas prices.

The tax hike violates President Biden’s tax pledge to any American making less than $400,000 per year.

As noted above, Biden administration officials have repeatedly admitted taxes that raise consumer energy prices are in violation of President Biden’s $400,000 tax pledge.

As if it weren’t bad enough, Democrats have pegged their oil tax increase to inflation. As inflation increases, so will the level of tax.

The non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimates the provision will raise $12 billion in taxes.

$1.2 Billion Coal Tax Which Will Increase Household Energy Bills

The tax hike more than doubles the current excise taxes on coal production. Under the Democrat proposal, the tax rate on coal from subsurface mining would increase from $0.50 per ton to $1.10 per ton while the tax rate on coal from surface mining would increase from $0.25 per ton to $0.55 per ton.

JCT estimates that this will raise $1.2 billion in taxes that will be passed on to consumers in the form of higher electricity bills.

$74 Billion Stock Tax Which Will Hit Your Nest Egg — 401(k)s, IRAs and Pension Plans

When Americans choose to sell shares of stock back to a company, Democrats will impose a new federal excise tax which will reduce the value of household nest eggs. Raising taxes and restricting stock buybacks harms the retirement savings of any individual with a 401(k), IRA or pension plan.

Union retirement plans will also be hit.

The tax will put U.S. employers at a competitive disadvantage with China, which does not have such a tax.

Stock buybacks help grow retirement accounts. Raising taxes and restricting buybacks would harm the 58 percent of Americans who own stock and more than 60 million workers invested in a 401(k). An additional 14.83 million Americans are invested in 529 education savings accounts.

Retirement accounts hold the largest share of corporate stocks, accounting for roughly 37 percent of the outstanding $22.8 trillion in U.S. corporate stock, according to the Tax Foundation.

In 2017, corporate-sponsored funds made up $4.45 trillion in market value; union-sponsored funds accounted for $409 billion; and public-sponsored funds, which benefit teachers and police officers, added up to $4.25 trillion.

When companies perform stock buybacks, these investors are the ones who benefit. A tax on buybacks could dissuade companies from conducting this action and negatively impact retirement savings.

American companies will face significant compliance costs — a boon to expensive white-shoe law firms — the burden of which will be passed on to working households.

$225 Billion Corporate Income Tax Hike Which Will Be Passed on to Households

Democrats imposed a 15 percent corporate alternative minimum tax on the financial statement income of American businesses reporting $1 billion in profits for the past three years. These American companies employ millions of Americans.

The cost of this tax increase will be borne by working families in the form of higher prices, fewer jobs, and lower wages.

A Tax Foundation report from last December found a 15 percent book tax would reduce GDP by 0.1 percent and kill 27,000 jobs.

Preliminary cost estimates from the Congressional Budget Office found the provision would increase taxes by more than $225 billion.

According to JCT’s analysis, 49.7 percent of the tax would be borne by the manufacturing industry at a time when manufacturers are already struggling with supply-chain disruptions.

Tax Foundation also warned that current supply chain issues could be worsened by the book tax’s disproportionate burden on key industries. The report concluded that “the coal industry faces the heaviest burden of the book minimum tax, facing a net tax hike of 7.2 percent of its pretax book income, followed by automobile and truck manufacturing, which faces a 5.1 percent tax hike.” 

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11 minutes ago, posty said:

$225 Billion Corporate Income Tax Hike Which Will Be Passed on to Households

Funny - when we gave Corporations a trillion dollar tax cut, that money was supposed to “trickle down” to us serfs, but never did. But if we RAISE taxes on them, supposedly it’s going to cost us, the peasants. Give me a break. They need to pay their fair share, and Trump’s tax cuts only helped them, not us. It all went to dividends and stock buybacks, not lower prices on goods or services. The Tax Foundation gets most of its funding from corporations, the biggest sponsors being Exxon and the Koch Brothers, FYI. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,935]

I was helped by Trumps tax cuts. I don’t know why libtards keep saying I wasn’t.  The child tax credit was doubled under his tax plan.  I am not rich. My tax rate also decreased. Again, I am not rich.  But just say things If it makes you feel better. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I was helped by Trumps tax cuts. I don’t know why libtards keep saying I wasn’t.  The child tax credit was doubled under his tax plan.  I am not rich. My tax rate also decreased. Again, I am not rich.  But just say things If it makes you feel better. 

Same here.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,935]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Same here.

It’s been going on for years. I’ve been filing taxes since 1984. I think I know when I get a tax break or an increase at this point. Yet they persist. Is it lying or ignorance? Has to to be one of the two. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s been going on for years. I’ve been filing taxes since 1984. I think I know when I get a tax break or an increase at this point. Yet they persist. Is it lying or ignorance? Has to to be one of the two. 

I think he's not paying attention and just listen's to the talking heads who perpetuate the nonsense.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,935]

6 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think he's not paying attention and just listen's to the talking heads who perpetuate the nonsense.

Has to be. As if we don’t know what goes on with our taxes. As if I didn’t know where my increase in take home pay came from all of a sudden. Maybe he doesn’t.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Has to be. As if we don’t know what goes on with our taxes. As if I didn’t know where my increase in take home pay came from all of a sudden. Maybe he doesn’t.  

At the end of 2018, my younger cousin (22 years old at the time), showed me his W2 where he made $5k more in salary than in 2017 and he paid $800 less in taxes than he did in 2017.  I can't imagine what he's looking at if he didn't notice the same thing my cousin did. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,935]

12 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

At the end of 2018, my younger cousin (22 years old at the time), showed me his W2 where he made $5k more in salary than in 2017 and he paid $800 less in taxes than he did in 2017.  I can't imagine what he's looking at if he didn't notice the same thing my cousin did. 

And they never bother to question what they are told no matter how many times they are given bad info. If it’s Trump bad, just believe it and run with it 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,935]

How come Biden didn’t mention the stock market when he was rattling off what a great year he had the other day? He did last year. Worst year since 2008. 

[Strike 5,186]

Joe Biden not attending the Pope's funeral at the request of the Vatican.  Thought he was a Catholic? 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

Joe Biden not attending the Pope's funeral at the request of the Vatican.  Thought he was a Catholic? 

Far-right infotainment sources have framed it as being for his "pro-abortion" stance.

No one is pro-abortion. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,935]

Biden thinks that 20k pounds of fentanyl could kill up to 1k people. Yeah Joe, you’re only off by a billion or so 

[BirdGang 385]

Just saw where our invisible President that’s been asleep at the wheel since day 1 came out of hiding for a speech about the 2nd anniversary of 1/6? Man what a complete joke he and his followers are.

[edjr 6,578]

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[Hardcore troubadour 14,935]

His neighborhood. He went to prep school. He acts like he actually had one. 

[RLLD 4,143]

Say what you want about him, but Biden is creating some serious money making opportunities for people like me  

Fock man.. if he won another term, I would maybe retire by the time that term is over.  Let his arse get re-elected.....

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

Classified documents from Biden's time as vice president found in private orifice.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/politics/joe-biden-classified-documents-upenn/index.html

[Hardcore troubadour 14,935]

Ha! Now Biden is the one with the classified documents. Actually worse. At least Trumps were in his possession.  Also the FBI sat on this for two months. Corrupt to the core. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ha! Now Biden is the one with the classified documents. Actually worse. At least Trumps were in his possession.  Also the FBI sat on this for two months. Corrupt to the core. 

I'm not going to make excuses for Biden. Care to not make excuses for Trump?

Let the legal process play out, right?

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

11 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I'm not going to make excuses for Biden. Care to not make excuses for Trump?

Let the legal process play out, right?

 

ROFL.  heres the guy who called trump clownzo lickspittle and went mad like he had syphillis for years, now trying to take the high road.  the high road is washed out for you.  either viciously attack biden constantly for years just like you did trump, or be a loser.

[RLLD 4,143]

1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Classified documents from Biden's time as vice president found in private orifice.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/politics/joe-biden-classified-documents-upenn/index.html

Much ado about nothing, same as with Trump. Frankly, I would be shocked if they held Biden to the same standards as they have Trump.

That being said, it’s just stupid to make these things and issue, for either of them