protesters tear down barricades and storm US Capitol

[Alias Detective 1,179]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

The saddest part about Jan. 6 is the rioters didn’t have any demands or policy positions. They just want Trump back. It was like the world’s angriest fan club having a spasm.

It would be funny if people didn’t die. 

No, the media is calling it a riot.  They only reserve that term for Republicans.  When people burn and loot entire blocks in cities it’s mostly peaceful protesting.

 

bwahahahahaha

[bigmarc27 24]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Then leave?  Where did you come from anyway? Doesnt seem to difficult if you are that upset.

Been here longer than you, but probably not a good place for me.  The only thing worse than an ignorant person is groups of ignorant people. 

[Hawkeye21 1,852]

21 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Prove me wrong. If you posted it, it’s there. Stop acting like me being able to prove you posted it is the same as you proving it. But you can’t.  Because it doesn’t exist. 

Here are some posts of mine where I criticized the actions of the left.  I have never supported riots or defunding the police or any of the other stupid, illegal crap they have done.

Man dies after encounter with Minneapolis Police

Hawkeye21 replied to Fireballer's topic in The Geek Club

The people who riot like this only make things worse. They're morons. I honestly think most of them only care about taking advantage of the situation to get some free stuff.

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Man dies after encounter with Minneapolis Police

Hawkeye21 replied to Fireballer's topic in The Geek Club

Liberals are trying to use that to back their agenda. It backs their opinion that Trump supporters are racist. It doesn't really matter to me, he's just another piece of trash human.

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Protests in your city or town? Thread

Hawkeye21 replied to wiffleball's topic in The Geek Club

A young woman in Davenport was shot and killed. I haven't heard if it was an accidental shooting or not. Regardless of that, it's a terrible situation there. Morons who think they are protesting but are only making everything worse. I have a friend who owns a jewelry store there and they were broken into. Windows and display cases were smashed and items were stolen. Stupid people.

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Defund the police

Hawkeye21 replied to Alias Detective's topic in The Geek Club

I don't see how defunding the police could be beneficial.

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[GutterBoy 2,277]

3 minutes ago, bigmarc27 said:

Been here longer than you, but probably not a good place for me.  The only thing worse than an ignorant person is groups of ignorant people. 

Given your inability to have a conversation with anyone that disagrees with you, it's probably best you go back to the sanctuary.

[MedStudent 56]

1 hour ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Maybe if they frame those grievances as not being about race, it will go off better. The moderate right has lost its way and has made bedfellows with the bible thumpers and racists. The moderate left has lost their way with the socialists and "everything is about race" people. If ever there was a time for a 3rd party to have socially liberal views (don't care about abortion, gays can have civil unions, etc.) and fiscally conservative approaches (cut the waste and freeloading, don't buy it if you can't pay for it, etc.), then there might be some progress made. 

Both the Dems and Reps are beholden to the radical fringes in order to win these close races and it is taking them further away from the middle where most of the people are.  

 I don't think Biden will be listening to the far left. For one thing I'm not sure he really wants a 2nd term. His pick of Merrick Garland as Attorney General is a thumb of the nose at the   "defund the police" crowd. 

My hope is that Biden will be able to get a few Republicans in the House and Senate (Lyndsey Graham, Mitt Romney types) that he can work with to get legislation passed and that will cut out the need for votes from Bernie Sanders and the squad.

I wasn't all that excited about Biden but I'm coming around . If he can stay awake long enough, he may be the guy to bring a little more civility between the parties. 

[Hawkeye21 1,852]

Just now, MedStudent said:

 I don't think Biden will be listening to the far left. For one thing I'm not sure he really wants a 2nd term. His pick of Merrick Garland as Attorney General is a thumb of the nose at the   "defund the police" crowd. 

My hope is that Biden will be able to get a few Republicans in the House and Senate (Lyndsey Graham, Mitt Romney types) that he can work with to get legislation passed and that will cut out the need for votes from Bernie Sanders and the squad.

I wasn't all that excited about Biden but I'm coming around . If he can stay awake long enough, he may be the guy to bring a little more civility between the parties. 

It's really about him surrounding himself with the right people.  If he can do that so things can get done then all he really needs to do is act like a sane person and keep things calm.  No more fueling the flames on social media and on TV.

[MDC 5,890]

25 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Well let me just say that Trump's message was about empowering the common folk and taking down the elite, but you're right in that anyone who paid attention saw that it's not what he did.  I don't want to get in comparisons, as all presidents have done what they can to keep the elite at the top, including Obama very much so.  I had hope that Obama would help the little guy, but he turned into an elitist shill once in office.  I held the same hope for Trump, but same result.

You’re right, every POTUS in my lifetime has done what they can to keep the elite on top. I’m mostly commenting on a Trumper noting that the real struggle is up vs down, not black / white or left / right. No President of my lifetime has done more to promote those divisions and GC Trumpers to this day insist Don is some kind of unique working class champion.

Trump a country club Republican, 100% about himself and his own ego, and doesn’t give a fock all about the working class. And his supporters here will gladly line up to vote for Pence / Cruz in 2024 - book it. 

[MedStudent 56]

10 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re right, every POTUS in my lifetime has done what they can to keep the elite on top. I’m mostly commenting on a Trumper noting that the real struggle is up vs down, not black / white or left / right. No President of my lifetime has done more to promote those divisions and GC Trumpers to this day insist Don is some kind of unique working class champion.

Trump a country club Republican, 100% about himself and his own ego, and doesn’t give a fock all about the working class. And his supporters here will gladly line up to vote for Pence / Cruz in 2024 - book it. 

The thing about Trump that amazed me was how he could get his base to believe everything he said. Even things that fellow republicans said were untrue. If Trump said it, they believed it. Especially about the election fraud with no evidence. I'm not saying he was anywhere near as bad as Hitler. But he had some kind of hold over these people that was Hitler like. He still has this hold, I guess. He will undoubtedly try to make money off of it after Biden takes over.  

[drobeski 3,061]

Just now, MedStudent said:

The thing about Trump that amazed me was how he could get his base to believe everything he said. Eve things that fellow republicans said were untrue. If Trump said it, they believed it. Especially about the election fraud with no evidence. I'm not saying he was anywhere near as bad as Hitler. But he had some kind of hold over these people that was Hitler like. He still has this hold, I guess. He will undoubtedly try to make money off of it after Biden takes over.  

No evidence lol.  

Dismissed 

[MedStudent 56]

Just now, drobeski said:

No evidence lol.  

Dismissed 

Dismissed. That's what the courts said!  

[Hardcore troubadour 12,624]

3 minutes ago, MedStudent said:

The thing about Trump that amazed me was how he could get his base to believe everything he said. Even things that fellow republicans said were untrue. If Trump said it, they believed it. Especially about the election fraud with no evidence. I'm not saying he was anywhere near as bad as Hitler. But he had some kind of hold over these people that was Hitler like. He still has this hold, I guess. He will undoubtedly try to make money off of it after Biden takes over.  

He listened to them. He kept many of his promises to them. It’s not that hard to figure it out. But of course it has to be described as a Shepard leading his flock over the cliff. Obama listened too. He just didn’t do anything for the people he listened to. Bathrooms and a healthcare plan that made no one happy. Kind of sums him up. 

[GutterBoy 2,277]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He listened to them. He kept many of his promises to them. It’s not that hard to figure it out. But of course it has to be described as a Shepard leading his flock over the cliff. Obama listened too. He just didn’t do anything for the people he listened to. Bathrooms and a healthcare plan that made no one happy. Kind of sums him up. 

Where's the wall?

[MedStudent 56]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

But of course it has to be described as a Shepard leading his flock over the cliff. 

That's a good way to describe what happened on Wednesday. 

[MDC 5,890]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Where's the wall?

Infrastructure bill, eliminate the debt, tariffs on companies that offshore, replaced ACA with something wonderful, etc.

Even with 4 years of hindsight some of them will never ever get it.

[drobeski 3,061]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Where's the wall?

At the border 

[bigmarc27 24]

52 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Given your inability to have a conversation with anyone that disagrees with you, it's probably best you go back to the sanctuary.

Pot meet the biggest kettle ever. 

[Voltaire 4,556]

29 minutes ago, MDC said:

You’re right, every POTUS in my lifetime has done what they can to keep the elite on top. I’m mostly commenting on a Trumper noting that the real struggle is up vs down, not black / white or left / right. No President of my lifetime has done more to promote those divisions and GC Trumpers to this day insist Don is some kind of unique working class champion.

Trump a country club Republican, 100% about himself and his own ego, and doesn’t give a fock all about the working class. And his supporters here will gladly line up to vote for Pence / Cruz in 2024 - book it. 

He scrapped NAFTA and replaced it with the USMCA which, in part, requlred more auto components made in the three country region and raised much of the Mexican workforce's wages to $16 which, in turn, greatly reduces pressure on US firms to relocate to Mexico. This was the moment I went full Trump. No other president in either party gave a sh*t about helping manufacturing workers unitl Trump came along.

https://www.thomasnet.com/insights/usmca-vs-nafta/

The Detroit area got not one but two new auto assembly lines during the Trump administration.

https://www.autonews.com/article/20180122/OEM01/180129920/detroit-prepares-for-largest-new-automotive-plant-in-2-decades

But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

[listen2me 23 1,541]

34 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Where's the wall?

I never underatood the wall.  It was a talking point or something.  A stunt maybe.  What good is a wall? I never understood thr idea and most people ive talked to who voted Trump never cared about a wall.

Just be tough on immigration is all I care about.  Thats enough for me.  I dont care about a wall.  But now we have thw flood gates wide open with Biden.  Bring all the criminals in.  We can't take care of our own properly but we need herds of immigrants?  Makes no sense.  Just putting more strain on our systems.  

[Hawkeye21 1,852]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

I never underatood the wall.  It was a talking point or something.  A stunt maybe.  What good is a wall? I never understood thr idea and most people ive talked to who voted Trump never cared about a wall.

Just be tough on immigration is all I care about.  Thats enough for me.  I dont care about a wall.  But now we have thw flood gates wide open with Biden.  Bring all the criminals in.  We can't take of our own properly but we beed herds of immigrants?  Makes no sense.  Just putting more strain on our systems.  

The whole wall thing kind of got forgotten about too.  From what I read, most of the work done was on replacing existing wall.

[MDC 5,890]

10 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

He scrapped NAFTA and replaced it with the USMCA which, in part, requlred more auto components made in the three country region and raised much of the Mexican workforce's wages to $16 which, in turn, greatly reduces pressure on US firms to relocate to Mexico. This was the moment I went full Trump. No other president in either party gave a sh*t about helping manufacturing workers unitl Trump came along.

https://www.thomasnet.com/insights/usmca-vs-nafta/

The Detroit area got not one but two new auto assembly lines during the Trump administration.

https://www.autonews.com/article/20180122/OEM01/180129920/detroit-prepares-for-largest-new-automotive-plant-in-2-decades

But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

The USMCA is 95% NAFTA with a few provisions tossed in like a wage minimum on X percentage of workers building certain parts etc. I guess it’s better than nothing but it’s pretty weak sauce overall. Like the China trade war the USMDA was designed to give the impression of doing something without doing much. Manufacturing is down and our trade imbalance with China is greater today than when Trump took office. He’s also spent the past four years attacking labor unions and worker protections. 

Our trade deals aren’t bad because they’re applied unfairly. They’re bad because they’re designed to let US companies access foreign labor who will do the same job for pennies on the dollar and little to no protections. Trump never talks about that though, because he’s part of the same elite who benefits from that arrangement. Mar-a-Lago doesn’t hire visa workers because they can’t find local help.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,624]

Promises made, a lot of them kept. When’s the last time that happened? Deny all you want and nit pick, but it happened. 

[t.j 35]

1 hour ago, MedStudent said:

 I don't think Biden will be listening to the far left. 

I mean, this is obvious to anyone who has actually paid attention to Biden's comments and the Democratic primary results, but of course the right's playbook is all about stoking fears about communism these days, so they go there anyway.

[hoytdwow 202]

shouldn't the thread title be changed to

Cop-Killer Trump Mob tears down barricades and storms US Capitol ? 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,624]

Why would anyone think Biden is going full on socialist when he’s been in the pocket of the banks and Wall Street his whole life and they got him elected? Lip service, some crumbs here and there. That’s what the socialists will get. Just like Obama. But he will continue to divide, but with a smile. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

Infrastructure bill, eliminate the debt, tariffs on companies that offshore, replaced ACA with something wonderful, etc.

Even with 4 years of hindsight some of them will never ever get it.

You need both houses of congress to make progress on domestic issues.  Trump lost the House in 2018.  Up until then, he was working domestic issues.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 hour ago, MedStudent said:

 I don't think Biden will be listening to the far left.

He doesn't need to.  The far left already control corporate America which is better than running the government.  They can legislate from the boardroom.  All Biden has to do is not interfere and sleep a lot.

[Hawkeye21 1,852]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why would anyone think Biden is going full on socialist when he’s been in the pocket of the banks and Wall Street his whole life and they got him elected? Lip service, some crumbs here and there. That’s what the socialists will get. Just like Obama. But he will continue to divide, but with a smile. 

So, what's with all the socialism fear mongering from the right then?

[MDC 5,890]

5 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

You need both houses of congress to make progress on domestic issues.  Trump lost the House in 2018.  Up until then, he was working domestic issues.

When was the last time one party held the WH and both houses of Congress throughout an entire term?

You’d think the author of Art of the Deal could manage to get some movement on a few broadly popular items like an infrastructure bill.

It’s always somebody else’s fault with Dirtbag Don.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,624]

19 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

So, what's with all the socialism fear mongering from the right then?

Political capital.  

[GutterBoy 2,277]

32 minutes ago, t.j said:

I mean, this is obvious to anyone who has actually paid attention to Biden's comments and the Democratic primary results, but of course the right's playbook is all about stoking fears about communism these days, so they go there anyway.

Just like the left stoked fears about Trump that never came to fruition.  Welcome to politics.

[Hawkeye21 1,852]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Just like the left stoked fears about Trump that never came to fruition.  Welcome to politics.

Yep.  I remember when the left was saying Trump was going to start WWIII and destroy our economy.  They were very wrong with both.

[GutterBoy 2,277]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Yep.  I remember when the left was saying Trump was going to start WWIII and destroy our economy.  They were very wrong with both.

I remember a guy I worked with telling me he couldn't sleep the night of the election because he was scared he was gonna get deported.

Update:  He's still here and has never been richer.

[Hawkeye21 1,852]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

I remember a guy I worked with telling me he couldn't sleep the night of the election because he was scared he was gonna get deported.

Update:  He's still here and has never been richer.

I have some family members that are pretty far left and they were very scared that Trump got elected.  They really thought he was going to get us into a major war.

[Voltaire 4,556]

58 minutes ago, MDC said:

The USMCA is 95% NAFTA with a few provisions tossed in like a wage minimum on X percentage of workers building certain parts etc. I guess it’s better than nothing but it’s pretty weak sauce overall. Like the China trade war the USMDA was designed to give the impression of doing something without doing much. Manufacturing is down and our trade imbalance with China is greater today than when Trump took office. He’s also spent the past four years attacking labor unions and worker protections. 

Our trade deals aren’t bad because they’re applied unfairly. They’re bad because they’re designed to let US companies access foreign labor who will do the same job for pennies on the dollar and little to no protections. Trump never talks about that though, because he’s part of the same elite who benefits from that arrangement. Mar-a-Lago doesn’t hire visa workers because they can’t find local help.

The Democrats have abandoned the trade unions completely. That their leadership is still in their back pocket is a crime. Trump isn't actually the best on unionism either, I suppose, but he knows the words and the tune to sing.

[Fireballer 2,378]

People should actually be on steps of their state houses.  The election process is a complete joke right now.  That's where the healing has to start.  If you don't feel like you can fairly remove politicians at the ballot box, you have no unity.

[RLLD 3,455]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Yep.  I remember when the left was saying Trump was going to start WWIII and destroy our economy.  They were very wrong with both.

And that he was a Russian plant, colluded with Russia, did a quid pro quo...I mean to be fair, they really make a joke of themselves...

[drobeski 3,061]

44 minutes ago, hoytdwow said:

shouldn't the thread title be changed to

Cop-Killer Trump Mob tears down barricades and storms US Capitol ? 

Why did Biden kill officer David Dorn ? Shot the poor guy right in the head. 

[MDC 5,890]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

The Democrats have abandoned the trade unions completely. That their leadership is still in their back pocket is a crime. Trump isn't actually the best on unionism either, I suppose, but he knows the words and the tune to sing.

No argument from me, but nobody in 2020 thinks Obama or Biden are champions of the working. Some people keep repeating the farce that Trump is. One reason I wanted Bernie was to see an actual populist debate a fake one.

I think you do this in good faith even though we disagree. The Tucker Carlson types who were self described libertarians and morphed into being populists after 2016 can fock right off.

[lod001 1,237]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

 his supporters here will gladly line up to vote for Pence / Cruz in 2024 - book it. 

You'd be wrong. They better come up with a lot better than that.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,624]

Obama divided the country. Trump just went and got one of the half’s.