Alec Baldwin killed a woman

[Fireballer 2,641]

Don't get hung up on who loaded it or who was responsible for checking it. Only one person pressed the trigger while pointing a loaded gun at someone.  It all comes down to whether or not the actions of Baldwin himself met the criteria of the criminal statute(s). I'm betting that the state says that treating all guns as if they are loaded is such common knowledge that a reasonable person wouldn't point it at someone and press the trigger, no matter who told them it was safe. 

[Gepetto 1,352]

Need an explanation on why he pulled the trigger.  It takes your mind telling your finger to pull the trigger to actually pull the trigger.

[joneo 556]

52 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This is like an episode of Columbo or one those other 70’s detective shows. And the bad guy ends up being some disgruntled member of the crew or a spurned lover. Cannon could solve this in one episode, even in a wheelchair. Mannixx too. I don’t know about Hart to Hart. But Stephanie Powers was sexy as hell. 

Barnaby Jones would have confiscated the gun and shot the perp in the shoulder from 50 yards away. Cannon wasn't in a wheelchair, that was Ironside. I think the best person to solve it would be Ellery Queen. 

[joneo 556]

53 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Don't get hung up on who loaded it or who was responsible for checking it. Only one person pressed the trigger while pointing a loaded gun at someone.  It all comes down to whether or not the actions of Baldwin himself met the criteria of the criminal statute(s). I'm betting that the state says that treating all guns as if they are loaded is such common knowledge that a reasonable person wouldn't point it at someone and press the trigger, no matter who told them it was safe. 

Everyone knows a gun is a weapon. Anyone dismissing this and referring to it as a "prop gun" is ignorant. Again...manslaughter implies no intent, but holds the person accountable. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

8 minutes ago, joneo said:

Barnaby Jones would have confiscated the gun and shot the perp in the shoulder from 50 yards away. Cannon wasn't in a wheelchair, that was Ironside. I think the best person to solve it would be Ellery Queen. 

I going with Columbo. He likes to fock with his person of interest so much that he drives them crazy and they admit guilt just to get away from him.

[joneo 556]

14 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I going with Columbo. He likes to fock with his person of interest so much that he drives them crazy and they admit guilt just to get away from him.

Definitely would have been good. But Ellery would have gathered all the suspects and recreated the dastardly deed. 

[avoiding injuries 1,558]

I don’t think there’s any chance Baldwin gets charged with anything. I’ll come back to admit being wrong if it turns out otherwise. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

7 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

I don’t think there’s any chance Baldwin gets charged with anything. I’ll come back to admit being wrong if it turns out otherwise. 

He fired the gun that killed her. He'll get charged. "I didn't know the gun was loaded", is a fairly old excuse.

[Fireballer 2,641]

20 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

I don’t think there’s any chance Baldwin gets charged with anything. I’ll come back to admit being wrong if it turns out otherwise. 

I don't think he will get manslaughter, but not because there's lack of PC.  Do you not think there was any crime committed? Even tragic things that are complete accidents are criminal.

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

57 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

I don’t think there’s any chance Baldwin gets charged with anything. I’ll come back to admit being wrong if it turns out otherwise. 

I'm sure if he's not charged(which I also believe) most will come back just to say ...'told ya so, he got special treatment cause he's a lib'.  

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

50 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I don't think he will get manslaughter, but not because there's lack of PC.  Do you not think there was any crime committed? Even tragic things that are complete accidents are criminal.

If the armorer/AD handed Alec a hand grenade, told him this is a prop hand grenade with NO EXPLOSIVES components;and he pulls the pin, throws it only to discover it was a real grenade and a person is killed.  Would you charge him?

[avoiding injuries 1,558]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

I don't think he will get manslaughter, but not because there's lack of PC.  Do you not think there was any crime committed? Even tragic things that are complete accidents are criminal.

My faith in a celebrity leftist getting charged in a very public case couldn’t be any lower. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

52 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

If the armorer/AD handed Alec a hand grenade, told him this is a prop hand grenade with NO EXPLOSIVES components;and he pulls the pin, throws it only to discover it was a real grenade and a person is killed.  Would you charge him?

We can play the 'what if" game all day.  He shot the cinematographer in the gut. He will be charged. 

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

We can play the 'what if" game all day.  He shot the cinematographer in the gut. He will be charged. 

And if he is, I'll admit I was wrong, I'm sure you will do the same when he's not.

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

And if he is, I'll admit I was wrong, I'm sure you will do the same when he's not.

You are always wrong and I have never seen you post an admission of being wrong. 

[5-Points 3,472]

12 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Did they find out who put the bullet in the gun and when and why they did it? 

Did they figure anything out other than the fact that there was a bullet in the gun and it came out of that one gun and killed the lady and lodged into the guy's shoullder?

I really haven't heard anything so maybe I'm just missing something.

They have said that they were target shooting with that gun. My guess is at least one round was still in it but it's just a guess. 

[5-Points 3,472]

12 hours ago, joneo said:

That's what manslaughter means. It is a non-intentional crime. The person who pulls the trigger is the one responsible. As far as civil recourse, yes, the people who were in charge of the gun and the studio are all culpable. 

Gotcha.

 

[tubby_mcgee 700]

"Treat every gun as though its loaded"

What's the hard part here? LOL.  Liberals keep finding a way to say "that doesn't count when liberals are involved"

[TimmySmith 2,782]

9 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

And if he is, I'll admit I was wrong, I'm sure you will do the same when he's not.

Won't have to.  He'll be charged.  Will they be dropped eventually? Maybe.  Will he ever stand trial? Doubtful.  

[Fireballer 2,641]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

If the armorer/AD handed Alec a hand grenade, told him this is a prop hand grenade with NO EXPLOSIVES components;and he pulls the pin, throws it only to discover it was a real grenade and a person is killed.  Would you charge him?

If, after investigation ,it is probable that his actions met this statute, he should be charged.

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico/2011/chapter30/article7/section30-7-4

[wiffleball 4,789]

...or we could just wait for the actual findings....

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

If, after investigation ,it is probable that his actions met this statute, he should be charged.

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico/2011/chapter30/article7/section30-7-4

(2) carrying a firearm while under the influence of an intoxicant or narcotic;

I wonder if they even tested baldwin for these right after the shooting? I think it's police procedure if you get into a car accident and someone dies or even gets hurt that the driver(s) are submitted to a test for this. No matter how sober they seem to be.

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

...or we could just wait for the actual findings....

Well, you could say that about a lot  of things. How about in election years? Wait until the election is over and the loser concedes then start chatting about it.

[wiffleball 4,789]

Just now, Utilit99 said:

Well, you could say that about a lot  of things. How about in election years? Wait until the election is over and the loser concedes then start chatting about it.

Your loser will never concede.

[Fireballer 2,641]

Just now, Utilit99 said:

(2) carrying a firearm while under the influence of an intoxicant or narcotic;

I wonder if they even tested baldwin for these right after the shooting? I think it's police procedure if you get into a car accident and someone dies or even gets hurt that the driver(s) are submitted to a test for this. No matter how sober they seem to be.

To have a driver's license in many states, you have to sign off that you will submit to alcohol testing if conditions warrant it.  Anything else would require a search warrant.  I've had to do that to recover buccold swabs for DNA.  

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, wiffleball said:

Your loser will never concede.

I didn't vote for killery.

Hillary Clinton says Joe Biden should not concede on election night

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

To have a driver's license in many states, you have to sign off that you will submit to alcohol testing if conditions warrant it.  Anything else would require a search warrant.  I've had to do that to recover buccold swabs for DNA.  

So it doesn't apply when someone shoots someone else? It kind of should shouldn't it? You don't have a big window to gather that evidence. 

[wiffleball 4,789]

Just now, Utilit99 said:

I didn't vote for killery.

Hillary Clinton says Joe Biden should not concede on election night

 

...cause he won.  Duh!

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, wiffleball said:

...cause he won.  Duh!

Who the hell are you talking about?

[Fireballer 2,641]

6 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

So it doesn't apply when someone shoots someone else? It kind of should shouldn't it? You don't have a big window to gather that evidence. 

Well, I guess you could argue that but submitting to a test while driving is the only thing i know supported by law.  

The way Constitutional law works is that any and all searches and seizures are presumed to be a violation of your 4th amendment rights.  You can be detained until a warrant is secured, which isn't terribly hard to do.  We can even do video with the magistrate to secure one.  In regards to firearms, I think it would be pretty well argued that making you submit to testing would go down the 2nd amendment path.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,257]

4 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

And if he is, I'll admit I was wrong, I'm sure you will do the same when he's not.

OJ Simpson. 

[Big Guy 1,412]

4 hours ago, wiffleball said:

Your loser will never concede.

nor should he

[tubby_mcgee 700]

Treat every gun as though its loaded.  He didn't. He's a focking guilty, negligent dooshbag. 

Treat every gun as though it's loaded. Some still trying to say "You don't have to do that!!!"

Nope...ya don't don't. But then ya run the risk of blowing someone's guts out their spine and murdering them like Baldwin did. 

Nice defense, libs.

[Strike 5,414]

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2021-10-29/hannah-gutierrez-reed-rust-shooting-alec-baldwin-props-gun-safety

[Fireballer 2,641]

I still can't figure out how this happens.  At minimum, I would think you would have an armorer walk to the actor with a revolver,   with cylinder disengaged, and have the gun confirmed safe by a second armorer before being handed to the actor.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

56 minutes ago, Strike said:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2021-10-29/hannah-gutierrez-reed-rust-shooting-alec-baldwin-props-gun-safety

She fights back after Baldwin's peeps have been throwing her under the bus.  

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, TimmySmith said:

She fights back after Baldwin's peeps have been throwing her under the bus.  

The shooter is working his hardest to push the blame on anyone but himself. 

[tubby_mcgee 700]

2 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

The shooter is working his hardest to push the blame on anyone but himself. 

 

Absolutely he is.   

Word on street is, he's getting of a lot of people standing behind him. 

Everyone is scared to stand in front of him. 

[listen2me 23 1,847]

When in doubt play the role of the victim.  We see it a lot these days.

[Utilit99 4,099]

On 10/29/2021 at 5:00 PM, tubby_mcgee said:

 

Absolutely he is.   

Word on street is, he's getting of a lot of people standing behind him. 

Everyone is scared to stand in front of him. 

Yeah, a "well-oiled crew". Sounds like a well oiled gun.

 

Baldwin, 63, spoke to photographers in Vermont where he said he is cooperating with police and has been speaking to them every day. Baldwin maintained that he could not speak on the active investigation.

"It's an active investigation in terms of a woman died, she was my friend," Baldwin said.

"We were a very, very well-oiled crew shooting a film together, and then this horrible event happened," he added.