Ukraine - Doomsday

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Just now, JustinCharge said:

no it is not.  some say putin wanted to capture kiev.  others say that was a decoy to help russia take its true objective, the eastern ukraine region.  no-one really knows what the objective is.  remember, there is always disinformation flying about during wartime.  people will confidently assert this or that but you just never know for sure.

I dont understand the decoy response here. Militarily, how does that work? Its not like Russia took the Donbaas while Ukraine was focused on Kyiv.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, Brad GLuckman said:

I dont understand the decoy response here. Militarily, how does that work? Its not like Russia took the Donbaas while Ukraine was focused on Kyiv.

its war.  it doesnt have to make sense.  war is hell and chaos and bad decisions.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Just now, JustinCharge said:

its war.  it doesnt have to make sense.  war is hell and chaos and bad decisions.

If Russia was using their offensive on Kyiv as a decoy then the successful result (for Russia) would be Ukraine dedicating too many forces to the defense of Kyiv while Russia takes the Donbaas (since it is under defended). 

None of this happened. The Russians failed to take Kyiv and the Donbaas. As a result, the Russians decided to bail on one objective and focus all of their forces on the Donbaas. If Kyiv was a decoy, it was unsuccessful.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

2 hours ago, Brad GLuckman said:

They have absolutely shifted their objective by abandoning Kyiv for Donbaas. You dont need to be in meetings with Putin to see that. It's well known. 

As I said, once they take the Donbaas, it remains to be seen if they refocus their objectives on the rest of the country or take the "W" and go home. Either way, no this is absolutely not going according to plan.

Seems Zelensky is pretty firm about not giving up an inch of Ukraine, and Putin has shown almost nothing in the diplomacy department.

The only out Russia has is a dead Putin. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

14 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Seems Zelensky is pretty firm about not giving up an inch of Ukraine, and Putin has shown almost nothing in the diplomacy department.

The only out Russia has is a dead Putin. 

no, theyll nuke.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

so that coup that the MSM reported as "underway" a couple weeks ago.  update? putin out yet?  firefights between russians at the kremlin perhaps?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,196]

17 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

so that coup that the MSM reported as "underway" a couple weeks ago.  update? putin out yet?  firefights between russians at the kremlin perhaps?

 

I think that was just wishful thinking.  Putin isn't going anywhere, unfortunately, and Ukraine will most likely fall at some point.  Russia just outnumbers them too much.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

18 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

 

I think that was just wishful thinking.  Putin isn't going anywhere, unfortunately, and Ukraine will most likely fall at some point.  Russia just outnumbers them too much.

we should hold the msm accountable for reporting bullshiit.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

hearing that with summer approaching, a lot of muddy ground is drying out which should enable Russia to start making big progress again on the Donbas front.  Odds are good Russia either captures or encircles Severodonetsk this week.  Also, better weather and drier terrain will allow Russia to attack Kyiv again in the near future. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,520]

Looking forward to the food shortages. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

Rusky flips bird at drone just before getting blown the fock up.

https://www.whiskeyriff.com/2022/05/30/russian-soldier-gives-middle-finger-to-ukrainian-drone-right-before-grenade-is-dropped/?fr=operanews

[Voltaire 5,341]

5 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

we should hold the msm accountable for reporting bullshiit.

Fock Russia/Ukraine coverage, "we" can't even hold them accountable for the many enormous falsities they commit in the US, with the bazillon pound King Kong gorilla being the Russia collusion hoax.

[nobody 2,705]

On 5/29/2022 at 5:56 PM, Brad GLuckman said:

I dont understand the decoy response here. Militarily, how does that work? Its not like Russia took the Donbaas while Ukraine was focused on Kyiv.

All you need to know is if you start with the premise Russia is infallible and then you  believe their propaganda, then Kiev by necessity was meant to be a distraction since how could they lose the battle otherwise? 

Anyone with eyes can see that Russia underestimated the Ukraine military and overestimated their own preparedness and effectiveness.  They have since adjusted and are now finding success.  

[JustinCharge 2,397]

On 5/29/2022 at 5:56 PM, Brad GLuckman said:

I dont understand the decoy response here. Militarily, how does that work? Its not like Russia took the Donbaas while Ukraine was focused on Kyiv.

i didnt say it was a successful decoy.  but then again, maybe it was to russia.  maybe if they just went for donbass, theyd be way behind in their objectives.  we dont know.

[nobody 2,705]

16 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

i didnt say it was a successful decoy.  but then again, maybe it was to russia.  maybe if they just went for donbass, theyd be way behind in their objectives.  we dont know.

No, you don't know.

If Russia was happy with their progress they wouldn't have been removing military leaders.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

11 hours ago, nobody said:

No, you don't know.

If Russia was happy with their progress they wouldn't have been removing military leaders.

im saying NOBODY knows, not you, not me.  stop saying you know whats going on.  even battlefield reports are sketchy.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

the rumor i hear is that Ukraine thinks severodonetsk is a lost cause.  But the debate is how to handle that.  

1. do a full retreat and surrender the city to Russia to REALLY dig in at Lysychansk.  Lysychansk is a very defendable city on the other side of a river with bridges destroyed.  Plus the city is on high ground.  Unfortunately, those bridges are destroyed so getting man and equipment moved from Sever. to Lys. is very difficult.

2. Turn Sever. into another Mariupol. That means Ukraine digs in, allow themselves to be encircled, and tie up Russia in siege warfare to stall Russia's advance.  You can't get everything out of there in time most likely anyway so you will lose it either way.

Current reports are that Ukraine is in the process of a full retreat from Sever.

Also hearing a rumor that Russia has a slew of t72 tanks waiting for the ground to dry out so they can break out from the southern front, take Zapor and just roll the entire eastern side of Ukraine.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

6 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

im saying NOBODY knows, not you, not me.  stop saying you know whats going on.  even battlefield reports are sketchy.

It is universally accepted that Russia's military is not performing to expectations. Your post on the failed attempt to take Kyiv is the only place I have seen that it may have actually been a successful decoy. Proof that if you want something to be true enough, you just might convince yourself.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, Brad GLuckman said:

It is universally accepted that Russia's military is not performing to expectations. Your post on the failed attempt to take Kyiv is the only place I have seen that it may have actually been a successful decoy. Proof that if you want something to be true enough, you just might convince yourself.

"not performing to expectations" is a different statement than "the kyiv attack was or was not a decoy".  what is so difficult?  do you have a hard time with reading comprehension?

[nobody 2,705]

12 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

im saying NOBODY knows, not you, not me.  stop saying you know whats going on.  even battlefield reports are sketchy.

And I'm saying you're the only person that seems to not understand what's happening here.  

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 minutes ago, nobody said:

And I'm saying you're the only person that seems to not understand what's happening here.  

Seriously going on about this as if you are in full time contact with Putin and his generals, getting minute to minute updates?

 

[Brad GLuckman 519]

12 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

"not performing to expectations" is a different statement than "the kyiv attack was or was not a decoy".  what is so difficult?  do you have a hard time with reading comprehension?

Failing to take Kyiv is evidence of failure to perform to expectations. You are saying it may have been a successful decoy. I'm sorry but that is just beyond ridiculous and wishful thinking on your part. It is one of the more random statements I have read on this board.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

6 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Seriously going on about this as if you are in full time contact with Putin and his generals, getting minute to minute updates?

 

No but there is reputable reporting on the war. If you need any evidence that this is not going well for Russia....you merely need to see that it is still going on.

Now Russia has been performing well recently in the Donbaas. I know this because I read the news, not because I am in meetings with Putin. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 minute ago, Brad GLuckman said:

Failing to take Kyiv is evidence of failure to perform to expectations. You are saying it may have been a successful decoy. I'm sorry but that is just beyond ridiculous and wishful thinking on your part. It is one of the more random statements I have read on this board.

Assuming the goal was to take it.  If you wish to assume that, feel free.  I won't because I never saw the point in taking it. 

[nobody 2,705]

13 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Seriously going on about this as if you are in full time contact with Putin and his generals, getting minute to minute updates?

You guys crack me up.  Do I need to be in full time contact with Putin and his generals getting minute to minute updates to see what is happening?

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Anyway, im not interested in an argument over that.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Chechens today in severodonetsk removing Ukraine flags from city buildings as the Ukrainian military flees.

 

 

[Brad GLuckman 519]

16 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

Chechens today in severodonetsk removing Ukraine flags from city buildings as the Ukrainian military flees.

 

 

Congrats?

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, Brad GLuckman said:

Congrats?

huh? im not in the chechen military if thats what you think.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Still waiting to get nuked

[Hardcore troubadour 15,520]

I stand with Texas, not Ukraine.

[nobody 2,705]

2 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

huh? im not in the chechen military if thats what you think.

Seems like you have some kind of tie to Russia.

[nobody 2,705]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

Still waiting to get nuked

Russia is going to nuke us.

A civil war will start 2 years ago and the only way to win is team up with Russia.

Russia can save us from a doomed culture.

Putin didn't try to take Ukraine, it was all a smoke screen.  

 

"Huh? Why do you guys think I have anything to do with Russia?"

[JustinCharge 2,397]

15 hours ago, nobody said:

Russia is going to nuke us.

A civil war will start 2 years ago and the only way to win is team up with Russia.

Russia can save us from a doomed culture.

Putin didn't try to take Ukraine, it was all a smoke screen.  

 

"Huh? Why do you guys think I have anything to do with Russia?"

you fock little boys

you photograph kids coming out of schools

you want a race war

 

i can throw random lies at you to.

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Biden promised he would not give Ukraine missiles that could hit Russia.  Now he backtracks and says that he will give them such missiles "in return for a promise from Ukraine they will not strike Russia."  We're working with promises now?  Also, another $700 million to Ukraine because the first $40 billion was not enough.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/missiles/2022/05/31/id/1072362/

Biden Agrees to Provide Ukraine With Longer-Range Missiles

Tuesday, 31 May 2022 09:04 PM

President Joe Biden has agreed to provide Ukraine with advanced rocket systems that can strike with precision at long-range Russian targets as part of a $700 million weapons package expected to be unveiled on Wednesday.

The United States is providing Ukraine with high mobility artillery rocket systems that can accurately hit targets as far away as 50 miles after Ukraine gave "assurances" they will not use the missiles to strike inside Russia, senior administration officials said.

In a New York Times op-ed published Tuesday, Biden said Russia's invasion of Ukraine will end through diplomacy but the United States must provide significant weapons and ammunition to give Ukraine the highest leverage at the negotiating table.

"That's why I've decided that we will provide the Ukrainians with more advanced rocket systems and munitions that will enable them to more precisely strike key targets on the battlefield in Ukraine," Biden wrote.

The package also includes ammunition, counter fire radars, a number of air surveillance radars, additional Javelin anti-tank missiles, as well as anti-armor weapons, officials said.

Ukrainian officials have been asking allies for longer-range missile systems that can fire a barrage of rockets hundreds of miles away, in the hopes of turning the tide in the three-month-long war.

Biden on Tuesday told reporters that "we're not going to send to Ukraine rocket systems that strike into Russia."

[Hardcore troubadour 15,520]

Zelinsky looks good for a guy in a war zone 

[Voltaire 5,341]

The war seems to me to be in an uninteresting slog/stalemate right now. For me, not the people involved. I find it hard to pay regular attention anymore.

[nobody 2,705]

31 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

you fock little boys

you photograph kids coming out of schools

you want a race war

 

i can throw random lies at you to.

 

Are you saying you didn't say that Russia is going to nuke us or that a civil war would start and the right would team up with Russia to win, or that Russia wants to cleanse our culture?

Please tell me you're joking.

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/us/politics/russia-military-eastern-ukraine.html WASHINGTON — The Russian military, beaten down and demoralized after three months of war, is making the same mistakes in its campaign to capture a swath of eas...

Same ol' same ol' for the crapass Russian military.

[Herbivore 1,143]

3 hours ago, nobody said:

Are you saying you didn't say that Russia is going to nuke us or that a civil war would start and the right would team up with Russia to win, or that Russia wants to cleanse our culture?

Please tell me you're joking.

 

you have to be joking if you are expecting an honest response