Irrefutable evidence of Police Racism

[Bier Meister 1,713]

6 hours ago, Masshole said:

Is there?    Honestly, what was the last "racist" thing you personally witnessed?    Not saw on TV or heard about.     And I am not talking about the HS GED guy working at Pep Boys saying that he "doesn't like n____s".     I mean actual racism.   Someone not getting hired because of their race.   Someone getting beat up solely because of their race.   Someone not getting accepted to a school because of their race (wait, the Asians may have a thing or two to say about that last one).   Something real like that.    I know there is historical racism, but nowadays?  

Because for me - I can't think of any.    And I was in a business where I hired/employed thousands of people over the years.  No skill req'd, low wage jobs.   All different types of people.   Many, many, many opportunities for active racism to come into play.   Never saw it happen.     And I lived in "the most racist city in the country" (Boston).   I've actually tried to think of actual racist incidents I've personally witnessed - I am having trouble coming up with examples.

I live a pretty uneventful life.  I am not in many situations which involve conflict. Just because I an not near it, it doesn’t mean it does not exist.

 

Frankly I have also seen false claims, and experienced “reverse racism.” … Service at Chinese establishments in San Francisco.

 

It certainly presents itself in law enforcement, courts, sentencing, parole, banking/lending practices, renting/leases. 

[shorepatrol 1,870]

1 minute ago, Bier Meister said:

 

It certainly presents itself in law enforcement, courts, sentencing, parole, banking/lending practices, renting/leases. 

That's not racism, it's public safety and good business. 

[Masshole 642]

9 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

I live a pretty uneventful life.  I am not in many situations which involve conflict. Just because I an not near it, it doesn’t mean it does not exist.

Frankly I have also seen false claims, and experienced “reverse racism.” … Service at Chinese establishments in San Francisco.

It certainly presents itself in law enforcement, courts, sentencing, parole, banking/lending practices, renting/leases. 

So the answer is "no" - you haven't personally witnessed any form of real racism but still believe that it is endemic to our country.    

Regarding the last sentence you present that as fact.    I would make the case that the things you cite are either historical or can be explained with reasons that are not "racism".    Red lining has been outlawed since the 60s and I could show you studies that show it was a poor people not black people thing.    For courts and sentencing - the most cited reference to that is comparing sentencing for crack cocaine vs powdered cocaine.   The contention being that crack is a black thing where powdered is a white thing.   But when you compare sentencing of crack cocaine offenders vs meth offenders (which is a largely white ppl drug) - there are no differences in sentencing.    I could go on, but you get the point.  

The point being that this is an important mental exercise that too few people do.   If racism was as bad as the MSM and dems tell us, then wouldn't you be able to say you've seen it with your own eyes/ears?    Once you work your brain thru that - then comes the realization that the issue is being manipulated and over-blown for a reason (the usual ones - money and power).     After that, welcome to being a conservative. . . 

[Utilit99 4,099]

Black people are generally more racist than white people. Unless you include white liberal politicians and their voters in the equation.

Then it's maybe even. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

There’s racism, just not enough, so much of it has to be invented. 

[jerryskids 6,813]

19 hours ago, Djgb13 said:

There’s more of this against white people than there are any other race. White people wont get hired bc their race, get beat up cause they’re white, get made fun of cause they’re white, not getting accepted into school cause of their race. You NEVER see this regarding any other race than white in todays society. We’ve “socially advanced” to where people aren’t discriminated against regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. However, if the person is white then you can treat them like dirt. Unless they’re they’re part of LGBTQ. Then you aren’t allowed to treat them like trash 

Asian people say hold my beer.  Then again they are now "white adjacent," so never mind, carry on.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

13 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

I live a pretty uneventful life.  I am not in many situations which involve conflict. Just because I an not near it, it doesn’t mean it does not exist.

Frankly I have also seen false claims, and experienced “reverse racism.” … Service at Chinese establishments in San Francisco.

It certainly presents itself in law enforcement, courts, sentencing, parole, banking/lending practices, renting/leases. 

 

The worst for me is with male asian servers and i am with my family. It is not often, but there are more than a few male asian's who do not like interracial marriage.

 

But, I agree that real racism is present in all of those things you listed, but some of those are not because people are racist, some of those issues you mention like banking are because we are bad at writing algorithms. Others, like police officers, there are some real racists out there, but they are a minority.

 

Why you always see this as a big topic at the geek club is because the majority of people are good and not racist, so when a small minority of people on the left say that all white people are racist this message gets amplified by Tucker and other popular talking heads.  Many of the posters hear the amplified version of all white people are racist and of course they push back against that message, because it isn't true. But to be honest, most people on the left do not think that all white people are racist.

[Bier Meister 1,713]

3 hours ago, Masshole said:

So the answer is "no" - you haven't personally witnessed any form of real racism but still believe that it is endemic to our country.    

Regarding the last sentence you present that as fact.    I would make the case that the things you cite are either historical or can be explained with reasons that are not "racism".    Red lining has been outlawed since the 60s and I could show you studies that show it was a poor people not black people thing.    For courts and sentencing - the most cited reference to that is comparing sentencing for crack cocaine vs powdered cocaine.   The contention being that crack is a black thing where powdered is a white thing.   But when you compare sentencing of crack cocaine offenders vs meth offenders (which is a largely white ppl drug) - there are no differences in sentencing.    I could go on, but you get the point.  

The point being that this is an important mental exercise that too few people do.   If racism was as bad as the MSM and dems tell us, then wouldn't you be able to say you've seen it with your own eyes/ears?    Once you work your brain thru that - then comes the realization that the issue is being manipulated and over-blown for a reason (the usual ones - money and power).     After that, welcome to being a conservative. . . 

I live in ohio.... i have never experience an earthquake nor hurricane, so they must not exist 

 

I have stated research/studies and all of these issues i listed. many of you racism deniers only want to accept "facts' that support your racist beliefs. I am not going to waste my time reposting the studies and statistics.  A good amount of you are not interested it truth, but rather prefer to sit and quote your gaslighting handbook.

[Bier Meister 1,713]

2 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

But to be honest, most people on the left do not think that all white people are racist.

yes,  and the "right-leaning" GC does not want to acknowledge that it exists in society.

[Baker Boy 1,700]

1 minute ago, Bier Meister said:

yes,  and the "right-leaning" GC does not want to acknowledge that it exists in society.

To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Mark Twain

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

2 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

yes,  and the "right-leaning" GC does not want to acknowledge that it exists in society.

That is what I get reading some of these posts as well.

[Gladiators 1,992]

4 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

yes,  and the "right-leaning" GC does not want to acknowledge that it exists in society.

I don't believe this.  I shouldn't speak for Masshole, but I think he took issue with your statement that "there is plenty of racism out there."  I guess we can try to define "plenty," but I think 90+% (perhaps even 100%) of the GC members would agree that there is some racism out there.  Unfortunately, the media wants to bring race into everything, so it appears that there is a lot racism...That said, I bet if you polled 100 people across the country, you'd get 25 different answers about what constitutes racism.

[Utilit99 4,099]

9 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

yes,  and the "right-leaning" GC does not want to acknowledge that it exists in society.

Who? Black racists? There are plenty of them. 

[Gladiators 1,992]

14 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

Why you always see this as a big topic at the geek club is because the majority of people are good and not racist, so when a small minority of people on the left say that all white people are racist this message gets amplified by Tucker and other popular talking heads.  Many of the posters hear the amplified version of all white people are racist and of course they push back against that message, because it isn't true. But to be honest, most people on the left do not think that all white people are racist.

[Bier Meister 1,713]

5 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

I don't believe this.  I shouldn't speak for Masshole, but I think he took issue with your statement that "there is plenty of racism out there." 

There is.  GC likes to deny and minimize, despite multiple sources provided.

I guess we can try to define "plenty," but I think 90+% (perhaps even 100%) of the GC members would agree that there is some racism out there. 

I don't see it with this group. Most want to deny that it exists.

Unfortunately, the media wants to bring race into everything, so it appears that there is a lot racism...That said, I bet if you polled 100 people across the country, you'd get 25 different answers about what constitutes racism.

I think that it was under-reported for a very long time... and now we have overexposure and many false reports. Not everyone and everything is racist.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

47 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

yes,  and the "right-leaning" GC does not want to acknowledge that it exists in society.

And you won’t acknowledge that on a certain level, you can’t do anything about it. 

[Bier Meister 1,713]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And you won’t acknowledge that on a certain level, you can’t do anything about it. 

Which?

 

Getting GC members to acknowledge that it exists

or

Doing something about it in society?

[Masshole 642]

40 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

I live in ohio.... i have never experience an earthquake nor hurricane, so they must not exist 

 

I have stated research/studies and all of these issues i listed. many of you racism deniers only want to accept "facts' that support your racist beliefs. I am not going to waste my time reposting the studies and statistics.  A good amount of you are not interested it truth, but rather prefer to sit and quote your gaslighting handbook.

Weak analogy that would only work if people were saying that racism only exists on the coasts and in Hawaii.     Does Ohio not have racism?   

So I guess now I am a "racism denier" who has "racist beliefs"?   Wow, that escalated quickly.    I am the guy who is trying to, gently, suggest that the US is actually one of the least racist societies in history.   One that is founded on a system that has been able to self-correct and improve over time and we should be proud of that and celebrating that.    But I am not interested in truth?    I was actually trying to engage you in a thoughtful reflection as you were the one who made the blanket "racism is everywhere" statement.    I don't accept that and am willing to defend that position.    It is interesting how quickly you went to "racist beliefs" and "gaslighting".   

 

[Masshole 642]

41 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

I don't believe this.  I shouldn't speak for Masshole, but I think he took issue with your statement that "there is plenty of racism out there."  I guess we can try to define "plenty," but I think 90+% (perhaps even 100%) of the GC members would agree that there is some racism out there.  Unfortunately, the media wants to bring race into everything, so it appears that there is a lot racism...That said, I bet if you polled 100 people across the country, you'd get 25 different answers about what constitutes racism.

You are speaking pretty well for me.    Thank you for picking up what I was putting down.    And no I don't deny racism exists, I deny that it exists on the level and permeates our society to the degree that many are claiming.

[Bier Meister 1,713]

5 minutes ago, Masshole said:

Weak analogy that would only work if people were saying that racism only exists on the coasts and in Hawaii.     Does Ohio not have racism?   

So I guess now I am a "racism denier" who has "racist beliefs"?   Wow, that escalated quickly. 

if you deny that it exists, and actively seek to discredit it, then yes.

  I am the guy who is trying to, gently, suggest that the US is actually one of the least racist societies in history.   

I did not read that from your response. The USA is one of the better nations, but we still need to make improvements.

One that is founded on a system that has been able to self-correct and improve over time and we should be proud of that and celebrating that.    But I am not interested in truth?    I was actually trying to engage you in a thoughtful reflection as you were the one who made the blanket "racism is everywhere" statement. 

no, you want to play gotcha games.

  I don't accept that and am willing to defend that position.    It is interesting how quickly you went to "racist beliefs" and "gaslighting".   

you guys have gaslighted volty, titan, and frozen..... dismiss facts that oppose your agenda.

 

 

[Bier Meister 1,713]

4 minutes ago, Masshole said:

You are speaking pretty well for me.    Thank you for picking up what I was putting down.    And no I don't deny racism exists,

that did not come across in your initial post.

I deny that it exists on the level and permeates our society to the degree that many are claiming.

for a very long time it has been under-reported. now the pendulum has swung the other way and we see quite a bit of false claims.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

20 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

Which?

 

Getting GC members to acknowledge that it exists

or

Doing something about it in society?

I don’t know, I don’t think I have ever denied it existence. I have questioned the amount though. And when you say society, do you mean the individuals that exist in the society, or the society created by the government? I think the government can have an affect on the results of racism, and guard against it, but I wouldn’t waste too much time trying to change individuals. And I think the government has done as much as it should on the matter. Anything else is just picking winners. 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

1 hour ago, Bier Meister said:

yes,  and the "right-leaning" GC does not want to acknowledge that it exists in society.

Is this true?  Maybe I am not paying attention enough.  Outside of maybe 2 or 3 posters, 1 or 2 I take as being over the top and silly....most anyone here knows racism is real.  Of course there is racism.  There will always be a level of racism.  

Who here believes there isn't any racism in this country?  Speak up

[listen2me 23 1,873]

1 hour ago, Gladiators said:

I don't believe this.  I shouldn't speak for Masshole, but I think he took issue with your statement that "there is plenty of racism out there."  I guess we can try to define "plenty," but I think 90+% (perhaps even 100%) of the GC members would agree that there is some racism out there.  Unfortunately, the media wants to bring race into everything, so it appears that there is a lot racism...That said, I bet if you polled 100 people across the country, you'd get 25 different answers about what constitutes racism.

Agree 100%. Very very few here would say there is no racism in America.   

To think that there isn't...or to think no racism is achievable as a society  is foolish.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Is this true?  Maybe I am not paying attention enough.  Outside of maybe 2 or 3 posters, 1 or 2 I take as being over the top and silly....most anyone here knows racism is real.  Of course there is racism.  There will always be a level of racism.  

Who here believes there isn't any racism in this country?  Speak up

I believe there is racism in the country, in many forms. I don’t believe it’s a racist country though.  If the goal is zero racism, then you’re going to need a dictator to accomplish that. In a country with the freedoms we all enjoy, you can’t think you will eradicate it. 

[Bier Meister 1,713]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t know, I don’t think I have ever denied it existence. I have questioned the amount though. And when you say society, do you mean the individuals that exist in the society, or the society created by the government? I think the government can have an affect on the results of racism, and guard against it, but I wouldn’t waste too much time trying to change individuals. And I think the government has done as much as it should on the matter. Anything else is just picking winners. 

I have read that from you, and my statement may not apply to all.  I am not going to comb through the history of all of our related posts to point out who is saying what.... but i do see common belief from a large amount of posters.

 

society: some individual- relatively small; organizations; other facets where people are not treated equally comparing apples to apples.

 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

My friend who has been to Europe a handful of times says they are openly racist over there.  Way more than America.   But no one cares.  

We as a nation have developed thin skin and the Liberals push for this perfect Utopia when many do not live cleanly themselves.  

We as a nation currently are less racist than ever before.  Yet race divides us more than ever.  Wonder how that happened?

[Bier Meister 1,713]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I believe there is racism in the country, in many forms. I don’t believe it’s a racist country though.  If the goal is zero racism, then you’re going to need a dictator to accomplish that. In a country with the freedoms we all enjoy, you can’t think you will eradicate it. 

this is a fair comment... though i still like to work towards an ideal.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

3 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

I have read that from you, and my statement may not apply to all.  I am not going to comb through the history of all of our related posts to point out who is saying what.... but i do see common belief from a large amount of posters.

 

society: some individual- relatively small; organizations; other facets where people are not treated equally comparing apples to apples.

 

Again, I don’t know if you’re ever going to get where you want to be. I’ve had minority bosses, some were great. Some made no bones about it, they were going to be looking out for their own. I’ve had bigger problems with flat out a-holes than those racists. And they were racists, but  I hit around them. Fock em.  A-holes were and are a bigger problem, and I think that goes for all of us, black and white. I’ve never worked anywhere without a significant minority representation.  Sometimes I was the minority as a matter of fact. A-holes were a bigger problem for all of us than racists. 

[Bier Meister 1,713]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Again, I don’t know if you’re ever going to get where you want to be. I’ve had minority bosses, some were great. Some made no bones about it, they were going to be looking out for their own. I’ve had bigger problems with flat out a-holes than those racists. And they were racists, but  I hit around them. Fock em.  A-holes were and are a bigger problem, and I think that goes for all of us, black and white. I’ve never worked anywhere without a significant minority representation.  Sometimes I was the minority as a matter of fact. A-holes were a bigger problem for all of us than racists. 

. Agree with a lot of this

[Hardcore troubadour 15,472]

4 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

. Agree with a lot of this

I always ask this question: if you add up all the ass-holes you have dealt with, more often than not, most of them are of your own race. So if you could get rid of the ass-holes or the racists, what would you choose? You’re life would be much better if you got rid of the ass-holes. The racists can be ignored, or avoided. But ass-holes? Unavoidable. 

[Bier Meister 1,713]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I always ask this question: if you add up all the ass-holes you have dealt with, more often than not, most of them are of your own race. So if you could get rid of the ass-holes or the racists, what would you choose? You’re life would be much better if you got rid of the ass-holes. The racists can be ignored, or avoided. But ass-holes? Unavoidable. 

i believe that racism amplifies the A-hole. reducing both makes daily life and society better

[TBayXXXVII 2,550]

In posts I've read, the bulk of the people on the right know racism exists, but believe it's no where near the level that is made to be.

Board lefties and "centrists", bring up every instance as justification as if a global movement is warranted.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

10 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

In posts I've read, the bulk of the people on the right know racism exists, but believe it's no where near the level that is made to be.

Board lefties and "centrists", bring up every instance as justification as if a global movement is warranted.

How often do you see Bier or i create threads about topics like this.  There are trolls on both sides of the aisle and these threads tend to be typically created by people looking for specific reactions out of the other side.

 

[Masshole 642]

I just want to note that when I asked the person who stated "there is plenty of racism out there" to give just one example of actual racism that they've witnessed - they were unable to and even admitted that they have none.   But they then immediately began attacking the people who point out the mind-boggling incongruity of those two positions.    I guess I failed because the point was to show that if you believe in "plenty of racism" but can't actually identify any you have actually seen - you may want to step back and reassess some of your assumptions.    But rather than doing that, double down and attack is the usual response from some.   

[Bier Meister 1,713]

4 minutes ago, Masshole said:

I just want to note that when I asked the person who stated "there is plenty of racism out there" to give just one example of actual racism that they've witnessed - they were unable to and even admitted that they have none.   But they then immediately began attacking the people who point out the mind-boggling incongruity of those two positions.    I guess I failed because the point was to show that if you believe in "plenty of racism" but can't actually identify any you have actually seen - you may want to step back and reassess some of your assumptions.    But rather than doing that, double down and attack is the usual response from some.   

it's rarely overt, and has been under-reported for decades/centuries.  I am not going to be present when a bank accepts a business loan for a Caucasian. business owner, and rejects or offers it for a higher rate for AA applicants with all else being equal.  I am not going to be present when an AA get charged with a longer sentence than a Caucasian for similar charges with similar background, yet this occurs.  I have posted many links about these and more scenarios  in the past, but you all dismiss and deny.   you like to dismiss facts.  this deters decent discussion here.... and is exactly why i typically avoid engaging in political talk on this site.  many of you are intellectually dishonest and disingenuous. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,550]

40 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

How often do you see Bier or i create threads about topics like this.  There are trolls on both sides of the aisle and these threads tend to be typically created by people looking for specific reactions out of the other side.

 

Fair enough.  Then your prior posts about what you see here on the GC about conservatives ignoring racism is moot, because it's probably people just trolling for a reaction... right?

[Bier Meister 1,713]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Fair enough.  Then your prior posts about what you see here on the GC about conservatives ignoring racism is moot, because it's probably people just trolling for a reaction... right?

I think there is a mix of trolling and some with core beliefs.  

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Fair enough.  Then your prior posts about what you see here on the GC about conservatives ignoring racism is moot, because it's probably people just trolling for a reaction... right?

 

I do not think I said that.

But I believe masshole believes there is much less racism than I do and I do not think he in particular is trolling.

 

We all believe we know how much racism in the world, you have your belief and I have mine. We are probably both wrong and the real answer is somewhere in between us.

[Utilit99 4,099]

7 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

I do not think I said that.

But I believe masshole believes there is much less racism than I do and I do not think he in particular is trolling.

 

We all believe we know how much racism in the world, you have your belief and I have mine. We are probably both wrong and the real answer is somewhere in between us.

Yeah. Black people in this country are very racist these days. hussein kicked off that trend when he was president. And it is where we are today. 

We had so much going for us in the country. Now we are forced to see skin color in every move we make in life.