Irrefutable evidence of Police Racism

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, vomit said:

Given the fact of how fast this happened, it seems like a far stretch, but keep going, what other excuses do we have?

You don't have enough info on this and that's pretty much it.  You may be 100% right here but this short clip is not enough proof.

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Those are the questions you should get answered before you make up your mind and post this.

Well I already know the answer, it rhymes with Lace-ism.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, vomit said:

Well I already know the answer, it rhymes with Lace-ism.

Maybe, maybe not.  You don't have enough to prove that.

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Someone has to get cuffed first, and I would go for the one that is resisting. 

So you would turn your back on someone to cuff another person, and then go back and cuff the first person, assuming they haven't run away or stabbed you of course.

You are a smart person

[JustinCharge 2,397]

news flash:  no one has solved racism.  thats why stable countries are mostly one ethnic group or self-segregate into their own enclaves in the nation.

[jerryskids 6,812]

26 minutes ago, vomit said:

What if the white kid had a gun?  What if the white kid already shot or stabbed the black kid and was left to go free?

This is useless, why did you say it?  He hadn't shot or stabbed the kid, how could you possibly speculate on the police response in this fantasy scenario?   

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

This is useless, why did you say it?  He hadn't shot or stabbed the kid, how could you possibly speculate on the police response in this fantasy scenario?   

I was pointing out how useless it was to suggest that the black kid had a gun and to speculate on the police response in this fantasy scenario.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Ask Detective Carl McLaughlin if the police prey on black people, and this normally ebullient Brooklyn cop will respond icily: “I just prey on people that are preying on others. It shouldn’t be a race thing.”

A cop’s denial that policing is racist is perhaps not noteworthy—except for one thing: Detective McLaughlin is himself black. As such, he represents an ignored constituency in contemporary policing controversies: black officers who loathe race-based cop-bashing as much as any Irish flatfoot. As the ACLU and other professional cop-haters flood the media with tales of endemic police racism, rank-and-file minority officers, who might be considered ideal commentators on these matters, appear only as intriguing statistics—such as those showing that black state troopers in New Jersey, the alleged cradle of racial profiling, stop the same proportion of black drivers as do their purportedly racist white colleagues.

[DonS 3,292]

Just slap another Black Lives Matter sticker on your Subaru Outback and let the world know how righteously angry you are.   Or maybe another yard sign would do the trick?

[Fireballer 2,642]

24 minutes ago, vomit said:

Why does the black kid get cuffed and not the white kid? 

So you admit there's questions that the video doesn't answer.  Good job.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

What if both kids were white? And it played out the same way? Non story because there is no race baiting to be had?  I know I know that OBVIOUSLY has never happened in history.  

I am willing to condemn the cops if proven they did a bad job of handling this and did so based on race.  

I don't live in some made up utopia where there are no racist people.  Or that I would think a world as such is possible.  

The OP and people like him love the gotcha moment of "look racism". When no one has ever claimed that there was no racism in this country.  

I can admit that in this scenario it may show racism in play.

I also will not change my opinion of wanting more context because the OP labels me a racist for not jumping up and automatically agreeing with his quick opinion.  

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53 minutes ago, vomit said:

Well first of all, does it really matter?  They took the white kid off the black, so both cops could kneel on the back of the black while the white just sat there.  He could have run away, shot them, anything.  Why did they do this if not racism?

But, here is the white kid saying he went free

“I knew it was wrong, and I knew there was gonna be problems when they did that,” 15-year-old Joey, who was involved in the fight, said. “They didn’t go for me.”

Tuesday night, he told PIX11 News — with his mother’s permission — that he couldn’t believe he wasn’t also placed in cuffs.

“I didn’t understand why,” the teen said. “I even offered to get handcuffed as well.”

https://pix11.com/news/local-news/new-jersey/i-didnt-understand-response-to-nj-mall-scuffle-ignites-critique-of-policing/

Joey acting like an uncle de’thomas 

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54 minutes ago, vomit said:

What context do you need?  You see two kids fighting, you let the white one go and cuff the black one.  In what context is this right?

In fairness, if they cuffed the white kid the black kid would have run off. This way, they got both. 

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6 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

So you admit there's questions that the video doesn't answer.  Good job.

Well the answer is racism, it's pretty clear from the video.

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1 minute ago, avoiding injuries said:

In fairness, if they cuffed the white kid the black kid would have run off. This way, they got both. 

The black is on the ground with a cops knee in his back, he's not resisting, how is he running off?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

14 minutes ago, vomit said:

I was pointing out how useless it was to suggest that the black kid had a gun and to speculate on the police response in this fantasy scenario.

I thought it was you who had invited the speculation by asking what potential context might have justified this.  Having called for that speculation I don't see how you can be offended when your invitation was accepted.

 

For me the brief evidence presented has me speculating the responding officers have a bias, but without more I can postulate a less likely, in my mind, scenario until more information is presented.  When you asked I responded, though my inclination here is to accept a hypothesis here similar to yours, though not as sweeping.

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2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I thought it was you who had invited the speculation by asking what potential context might have justified this.  Having called for that speculation I don't see how you can be offended when your invitation was accepted.

 

For me the brief evidence presented has me speculating the responding officers have a bias, but without more I can postulate a less likely, in my mind, scenario until more information is presented.  When you asked I responded, though my inclination here is to accept a hypothesis here similar to yours, though not as sweeping.

I wasn't offended, jerryskids was offended at me for my response to you.

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4 minutes ago, vomit said:

The black is on the ground with a cops knee in his back, he's not resisting, how is he running off?

Reverse the order of the kids getting detained, genius. That black kid ain’t sticking around. 

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Just now, avoiding injuries said:

Reverse the order of the kids getting detained, genius. That black kid ain’t sticking around. 

How do you know that?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, vomit said:

I wasn't offended, jerryskids was offended at me for my response to you.

In that case I misunderstood your position.  Perhaps I read into it something which was not there.

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Just now, vomit said:

How do you know that?

I don’t, just an educated guess. 
 

Let me ask you this,  when I hear about or see video of a fight at one of my local malls and assume the participants are black because the past 15-30 mall fights have been among black people, is that racism? You don’t think cops use cognitive learning to make decisions?

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If all of a sudden white males over 6 feet tall started committing crimes at a much higher percentage than any other demographic, and it caused people to become suspicious of me because I fit the profile, I wouldn’t blame anyone for their assumptions, and I’d also be pissed at the people doing the crimes that make me appear untrustworthy to others. Put the anger on the right people. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

what if i told you that racism cannot be solved, and democrats know this but try to get right wingers to accept the false premise because that allows the democrats to make a supermassive power grab.

[Fireballer 2,642]

15 minutes ago, vomit said:

Well the answer is racism, it's pretty clear from the video.

Go do a ride along with your local cops and come back and tell us about your experience.  Ask them some questions about reasonable suspicion and detention while you're there.  

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6 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

I don’t, just an educated guess. 
 

Let me ask you this,  when I hear about or see video of a fight at one of my local malls and assume the participants are black because the past 15-30 mall fights have been among black people, is that racism? You don’t think cops use cognitive learning to make decisions?

Alright, so your point is that the cops did the right thing, because most blacks run, so lets make sure we get the black first.  Thanks for proving my point.

[Baker Boy 1,700]

22 minutes ago, vomit said:

Well the answer is racism, it's pretty clear from the video.

The Black kid started the brawl by pushing the white kid. That is how you process the incident if you are a cop.

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2 minutes ago, vomit said:

Alright, so your point is that the cops did the right thing, because most blacks run, so lets make sure we get the black first.  Thanks for proving my point.

Nobody reading your posts about a 30 second video that was abruptly cut off thinks you’ve come close to proving any kind of point.  

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

The Black kid started the brawl by pushing the white kid. That is how you process the incident if you are a cop.

He pushed the kid's hand out of his face.  White kid was in his personal space but the black kid did make the first contact.

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1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

The Black kid started the brawl by pushing the white kid. That is how you process the incident if you are a cop.

Alright first of all this is completely false, as seen by anyone watching the video.  The white kid has his finger in the black kids face, the black kids pushes his hand away, then the white kid shoves the black.  The cops dont see any of this, they run into the scene when the kids are on the ground and the white is on top of the black.  One cop pulls white off and jumps on black.  The other cop makes sure white is ok, and jumps on black.  Their processing was solely on skin color.  Skin color reversed and black kid on top gets tackled and subdued while white on the ground is ignored.

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This thread is dumb.  It makes me want to vomit.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

The Black kid started the brawl by pushing the white kid. That is how you process the incident if you are a cop.

The cops were not there to see what you are arguing.  Also, I might argue otherwise.  The white kid was larger.  He advanced towards the smaller black kid, his voice conflated.  He violated the smaller kid's personal space in a dominance display and then exacerbated it by doubling down and putting his finger right in the kids face.  The black kid read the situation correctly.  He tried to recover his personal space.  The white kid started this, IMO.

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2 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Nobody reading your posts about a 30 second video that was abruptly cut off thinks you’ve come close to proving any kind of point.  

Correction, none of the racists.  I have yet to hear from a normal rational person.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, vomit said:

Correction, none of the racists.  I have yet to hear from a normal rational person.

I think of myself as rational.  Informative to find out when others do not share that view.  You would not be the first.

[posty 2,702]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

This thread is dumb.  It makes me want to vomit.

I was going to post "Reading vomit's posts makes me want to puke..."

[Baker Boy 1,700]

3 minutes ago, vomit said:

Alright first of all this is completely false, as seen by anyone watching the video.  The white kid has his finger in the black kids face, the black kids pushes his hand away, then the white kid shoves the black.  The cops dont see any of this, they run into the scene when the kids are on the ground and the white is on top of the black.  One cop pulls white off and jumps on black.  The other cop makes sure white is ok, and jumps on black.  Their processing was solely on skin color.  Skin color reversed and black kid on top gets tackled and subdued while white on the ground is ignored.

 

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

He pushed the kid's hand out of his face.  White kid was in his personal space but the black kid did make the first contact.

OK, he put his hands on the white kid first.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, Baker Boy said:

 

OK, he put his hands on the white kid first.

Yep, but the white kid was in his personal space and looked like the aggressor.  Can't tell who started it all just from this video though.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

I do appreciate this video having been brought to my attention.  Another data point is appreciated.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

irrefutable, Jussie Smollet

 

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4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

irrefutable, Jussie Smollet

 

So this video was faked?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, vomit said:

So this video was faked?

I took his point to be one about jumping to conclusions, not about fabrication, though I admit I sometimes miss the points others are making.  In the end I am not very smart, I often miss things.