Irrefutable evidence of Police Racism

[posty 2,702]

I need more links from vomit before there is enough proof...

I would like at least 240 more links please...

[Bier Meister 1,710]

3 minutes ago, posty said:

I need more links from vomit before there is enough proof...

I would like at least 240 more links please...

[Masshole 642]

1 hour ago, Bier Meister said:

it's rarely overt, and has been under-reported for decades/centuries.  I am not going to be present when a bank accepts a business loan for a Caucasian. business owner, and rejects or offers it for a higher rate for AA applicants with all else being equal.  I am not going to be present when an AA get charged with a longer sentence than a Caucasian for similar charges with similar background, yet this occurs.  I have posted many links about these and more scenarios  in the past, but you all dismiss and deny.   you like to dismiss facts.  this deters decent discussion here.... and is exactly why i typically avoid engaging in political talk on this site.  many of you are intellectually dishonest and disingenuous. 

 Can you present one "fact" that I have actually "dismissed" without substantiating why I am "dismissing" it?      Give me just one incident/time/post.   Just one.   That's all I ask.    It should be reasonable that if you impugn my integrity, you should be able to back it up with at least one example.      

[Bier Meister 1,710]

3 minutes ago, Masshole said:

 Can you present one "fact" that I have actually "dismissed" without substantiating why I am "dismissing" it?      Give me just one incident/time/post.   Just one.   That's all I ask.    It should be reasonable that if you impugn my integrity, you should be able to back it up with at least one example.      

the links get buried. i will make an effort to find them.

 

but you are still operating on the faulty logic that if we do not see it, it doesn't exist or didn't happen.  again, many devious things occur when most are not watching

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

2 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

i believe that racism amplifies the A-hole. reducing both makes daily life and society better

I believe that even for black people, ass-holes are a much bigger problem than racists. 

[Masshole 642]

This guy would like to have a word with Bier. . . 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

22 minutes ago, Masshole said:

This guy would like to have a word with Bier. . . 

 

Finding racists has become just a little easier than finding black people who can’t get a photo ID to vote. One is a myth, the other has been basically defeated. At this point in our history, racism should be dealt with on a case by case basis.  Like those rednecks who killed the jogger. 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

There is racism in the country.....um no duh.

But outside of guys like Sharpton, the guys that beat that drum the loudest are white liberals.  

I have never heard any of my black friends talk about racism.  

I lived with a black guy in college.  He would have his black friends over and we would smoke blunts and play madden.  They would rip on white people.  They would make jokes about me.  It was all good natured and I laughed with them.  

For how many times they tried to teach me, I never did really learn how to cut open a dutch and roll a proper blunt.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,547]

3 hours ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

I do not think I said that.

But I believe masshole believes there is much less racism than I do and I do not think he in particular is trolling.

 

We all believe we know how much racism in the world, you have your belief and I have mine. We are probably both wrong and the real answer is somewhere in between us.

I think this is probably right... but I think where we may differ on is where the actual racism is really coming from and does the amount require a massive overhaul of how society operates.

[TBayXXXVII 2,547]

5 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t know, I don’t think I have ever denied it existence. I have questioned the amount though. And when you say society, do you mean the individuals that exist in the society, or the society created by the government? I think the government can have an affect on the results of racism, and guard against it, but I wouldn’t waste too much time trying to change individuals. And I think the government has done as much as it should on the matter. Anything else is just picking winners. 

I think this is pretty much where almost all of us stand.  I'm pretty sure @Utilit99 and @Cdub100 may be further away on this than we are, but I'll let them confirm or deny that.

I'm pretty sure that all of the "centrists" and lefties who've left this board, pretend that we are all way out further than what we really are.

[TBayXXXVII 2,547]

4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I always ask this question: if you add up all the ass-holes you have dealt with, more often than not, most of them are of your own race. So if you could get rid of the ass-holes or the racists, what would you choose? You’re life would be much better if you got rid of the ass-holes. The racists can be ignored, or avoided. But ass-holes? Unavoidable. 

 

4 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

i believe that racism amplifies the A-hole. reducing both makes daily life and society better

I think if you reduced the number of A-holes (like HT said - I agree with everything he posted), the amount of "racism" we see would drop massively because a lot of people, black and white think someone is being racist... when they're simply just A-holes.  It just comes across as racism because the media and half our politicians try to push that as much as possible.

 

Just as an anecdotal incident, my last boss was a complete douche bag.  I saw him ream out a white dude and black woman, in similar fashions... in fact, he was harder on the white guy.  Coming out of those interactions, the black woman went to HR and complained that the boss what racist and misogynistic.  Her claims got dismissed when the other 8 people in the room all were questioned by HR and we all told them what happened.  No, all 8 of us weren't white men.  If fact, only 3 of us were men and 2 white.  Of the 8, there were only 4 white people, 2 men/2 women.  So, get rid of the A-hole, you get rid of the "perceived" racism.  At that point, you're left with only the real racism.  That of which, I think people will find is extremely small.... until the politicians and media create more somewhere else.

[TBayXXXVII 2,547]

1 hour ago, Masshole said:

This guy would like to have a word with Bier. . . 

 

My man NAILED IT!!

[Cdub100 3,910]

47 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think this is pretty much where almost all of us stand.  I'm pretty sure @Utilit99 and @Cdub100 may be further away on this than we are, but I'll let them confirm or deny that.

I'm pretty sure that all of the "centrists" and lefties who've left this board, pretend that we are all way out further than what we really are.

I'm not sure what you guys are talking about

 

[jerryskids 6,800]

2 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

the links get buried. i will make an effort to find them.

 

but you are still operating on the faulty logic that if we do not see it, it doesn't exist or didn't happen.  again, many devious things occur when most are not watching

Not this post but to your earlier comment - yes we can improve and we should continue on that path, but as someone said earlier we are one of the least racist countries.  Europe is worse; you've been there so you should know.  Asia, Middle East, forget it.  I haven't been to SA or Africa but I know people whove lived a lot of places in those continents and am confident most of those countries are more racist.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Not this post but to your earlier comment - yes we can improve and we should continue on that path, but as someone said earlier we are one of the least racist countries.  Europe is worse; you've been there so you should know.  Asia, Middle East, forget it.  I haven't been to SA or Africa but I know people whove lived a lot of places in those continents and am confident most of those countries are more racist.

As a country we went from germ warfare genocide against native Americans to absolutely one of the least racist countries on the planet.

My Mother-In-Law came to America specifically because of racism as per this link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_Chinese_Indonesians

My wife's great-grandfather was killed by Mexican armies because he was Chinese.

 

Racism has existed in far worse forms my every country in almost the entire history of mankind. There has not been a major civilization in the history of the world that can claim otherwise. Modern day America is extremely close to perfect compared to anyone else in the history of the world at this point, not only that there are very few that are even close to us.

Russia and China are both far worse in their current practices. Even though the rest of Asia is not as bad as China they still hate black people.

I am not worried long term. I think 50 years from now the problem will be better. Societies need multiple generations for real change. Look how long it took after slavery ended etc. As a society we are getting better, but it sucks that we are not there yet.

 

I would say a part of the problem is bad algorithms, and I do not think that is because of racism at all. I think that the easiest, most convenient way to both capture data and write code had a negative effect on minorities. The will need to be rewritten, but it is being actively worked on.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

No one complains when Asians move on the block. It’s more about reputation than racism. 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No one complains when Asians move on the block. It’s more about reputation than racism. 

I have posted zip code statistics about my area before.

My subdivision is 20% black and the average house is 400k a couple much more. My house is by far one of the cheapest in my neighborhood, I have one of about 5 single story houses. I have black neighbors across the street in a house twice the size of mine.  They have 3 kids that my kids play with at our local playground beside our houses twice a week. Everything is great hear living around lots of black people.

The problem is that my experience is not like everyone else, but I love the area I live in as far as the people go. It can work.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

17 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

I have posted zip code statistics about my area before.

My subdivision is 20% black and the average house is 400k a couple much more. My house is by far one of the cheapest in my neighborhood, I have one of about 5 single story houses. I have black neighbors across the street in a house twice the size of mine.  They have 3 kids that my kids play with at our local playground beside our houses twice a week. Everything is great hear living around lots of black people.

The problem is that my experience is not like everyone else, but I love the area I live in as far as the people go. It can work.

 

Of course. If a black person moved right next door I would treat them no different than the people there now. I would nod in their direction and mumble a hello hoping to avoid any in depth conversations. But if they asked for a favor I would help out. 

[Voltaire 5,317]

6 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

it's rarely overt, and has been under-reported for decades/centuries.  I am not going to be present when a bank accepts a business loan for a Caucasian. business owner, and rejects or offers it for a higher rate for AA applicants with all else being equal.  I am not going to be present when an AA get charged with a longer sentence than a Caucasian for similar charges with similar background, yet this occurs.  I have posted many links about these and more scenarios  in the past, but you all dismiss and deny.   you like to dismiss facts.  this deters decent discussion here.... and is exactly why i typically avoid engaging in political talk on this site.  many of you are intellectually dishonest and disingenuous. 

The fix for this self corrects when the bank across the street makes smart decisions and money by giving loans to qualified black applicants and turns down irresponsible white appicants while the stupid bank flounders and folds. If you are a loan officer making decisions  based on racism rather than facts, you're losing your employer money and deserve to get fired.

[Voltaire 5,317]

1 hour ago, MTSkiBum said:

As a country we went from germ warfare genocide against native Americans

 

You're propagating lies told to you by activists in your school. This is completly (and demonstratably) false.

While its true that smallpox didn't exist in America before the arrival of Europeans, and it's also true that it wiped out vast numbers of the native population, (and syphilis, went the other way from the Americas to Europe where it didn't exist previously), that's where it ends. Not germ warfare. The explorers, settlers, conqustadors  etc know fock all about virology, how diseases spread or how to stop its spread. There was no "germ warfare". Edward Jenner didn't vaccinate anyone until 1798, and didn't fully grasp in his lifetime why his process worked. He just observed that people who got cowpox (mild) never got smallpox (lethal) and so he went around exposing people to cowpox.The germ theory of disease didn't even exist until the mid-1800s and wasn't really accepted/hammered home as true for another fifty years, long after the disease had wrecked the native population. Nobody could have commited "germ warfare" because they didn't know how.

I like the rest of your post btw.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

30 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

The fix for this self corrects when the bank across the street makes smart decisions and money by giving loans to qualified black applicants and turns down irresponsible white appicants while the stupid bank flounders and folds. If you are a loan officer making decisions  based on racism rather than facts, you're losing your employer money and deserve to get fired.

Yuuup. Green is America’s favorite race. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think this is pretty much where almost all of us stand.  I'm pretty sure @Utilit99 and @Cdub100 may be further away on this than we are, but I'll let them confirm or deny that.

I'm pretty sure that all of the "centrists" and lefties who've left this board, pretend that we are all way out further than what we really are.

If the conversation is about race, here are my thoughts. 

There is racism in every society. But a lot of people misconstrue what racism is. 

I'll give an example. Way back when I once lived in an all black neighborhood because I didn't have a lot of money and the rent was way cheaper. I was paranoid most of the time but mostly at night. I never hung out in that neighborhood, I never shopped there, etc. All I did was go there to sleep and I stayed to myself. I knew if I tried to blend in things would not have been good for me. It was not a nice neighborhood and I knew it. I believe a lot of people that lived around me probably were decent people, but I believe there is no doubt I would have had my share of trouble if I just said fock it and hung around there. 

Some people would call me a racist for that thinking. To this day I simply thought of it as smart. I bothered no one. And got robbed twice. But I got out of there safe. 

 I 100% believe what hussein obama did to this country is enrage black people into hating whites. I look back to when I was young and everyone was taught "not to see color." obama said we need to see color.

I have never heard in my life so many people called racists as do they these days. Holy hell, Trudeau called the truckers racists for their protests. If that is not the dumbest thing I ever heard I don't know what is. That being said, I hear it from our political "leaders" every day here.  

And I believe this country kept creeping closer over the years to not seeing color, until that president started spouting, "No, we need to see color". And it did have an affect on me, because now I can't help but see race. Especially black people that obama singled out. 

I think many (not EVERY) of the black communities in this country need to clean themselves up. They need to start from the beginning in the home and show responsibility for how their kids turn out. 

My wish was that the black community just stop hating America and embrace it's opportunities. This is not the 1920s any longer. Black people wished for a long time just to be accepted and given opportunity in this country, and, this country over time made that happen. Which is pretty focking amazing given it only took about 100 years.  A whole nation changed because they thought it was the right thing to do. Now that it has happened, there are a lot of people stirring up shlt and want them to be separately thought about instead of them just being Americans. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

You're propagating lies told to you by activists in your school. This is completly (and demonstratably) false.

While its true that smallpox didn't exist in America before the arrival of Europeans, and it's also true that it wiped out vast numbers of the native population, (and syphilis, went the other way from the Americas to Europe where it didn't exist previously), that's where it ends. Not germ warfare. The explorers, settlers, conqustadors  etc know fock all about virology, how diseases spread or how to stop its spread. There was no "germ warfare". Edward Jenner didn't vaccinate anyone until 1798, and didn't fully grasp in his lifetime why his process worked. He just observed that people who got cowpox (mild) never got smallpox (lethal) and so he went around exposing people to cowpox.The germ theory of disease didn't even exist until the mid-1800s and wasn't really accepted/hammered home as true for another fifty years, long after the disease had wrecked the native population. Nobody commited "germ warfare" because they didn't know how.

I bet he read Zinn. You don’t have to go to college to get the academics take on America. Just read Zinn. That’s basically what gets repeated. How do I know? Because they all repeat it. I hear them. 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

8 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

You're propagating lies told to you by activists in your school. This is completly (and demonstratably) false.

While its true that smallpox didn't exist in America before the arrival of Europeans, and it's also true that it wiped out vast numbers of the native population, (and syphilis, went the other way from the Americas to Europe where it didn't exist previously), that's where it ends. Not germ warfare. The explorers, settlers, conqustadors  etc know fock all about virology, how diseases spread or how to stop its spread. There was no "germ warfare". Edward Jenner didn't vaccinate anyone until 1798, and didn't fully grasp in his lifetime why his process worked. He just observed that people who got cowpox (mild) never got smallpox (lethal) and so he went around exposing people to cowpox.The germ theory of disease didn't even exist until the mid-1800s and wasn't really accepted/hammered home as true for another fifty years, long after the disease had wrecked the native population. Nobody commited "germ warfare" because they didn't know how.

They have proof there is a document from that time period that discuses it.

 

Parkman came across correspondence in which Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander in chief of the British forces in North America in the early 1760s, discussed its use with Col. Henry Bouquet, a subordinate on the western frontier during the French and Indian War.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

3 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

They have proof there is a document from that time period that discuses it.

 

Parkman came across correspondence in which Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander in chief of the British forces in North America in the early 1760s, discussed its use with Col. Henry Bouquet, a subordinate on the western frontier during the French and Indian War.

That’s not the United States of America. That’s England.  We broke away from them after that. 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s not the United States of America. That’s England.  We broke away from them. 

 

 

[Voltaire 5,317]

8 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

They have proof there is a document from that time period that discuses it.

 

Parkman came across correspondence in which Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander in chief of the British forces in North America in the early 1760s, discussed its use with Col. Henry Bouquet, a subordinate on the western frontier during the French and Indian War.

 

The French and Indian War: A Summary

The Seven Years’ War (called the French and Indian War in the colonies) lasted from 1756 to 1763, forming a chapter in the imperial struggle between Britain and France called the Second Hundred Years’ War. 

In the early 1750s, France’s expansion into the Ohio River valley repeatedly brought it into conflict with the claims of the British colonies, especially Virginia. In 1754, the French built Fort Duquesne where the Allegheny and Monongahela Rivers joined to form the Ohio River (in today’s Pittsburgh), making it a strategically important stronghold that the British repeatedly attacked. 

 

During 1754 and 1755, the French won a string of victories, defeating in quick succession the young George Washington, Gen. Edward Braddock and Braddock’s successor, Governor William Shirley of Massachusetts. 

In 1755, Governor Shirley, fearing that the French settlers in Nova Scotia (Acadia) would side with France in any military confrontation, expelled hundreds of them to other British colonies; many of the exiles suffered cruelly. Throughout this period, the British military effort was hampered by lack of interest at home, rivalries among the American colonies and France’s greater success in winning the support of the Indians. 

In 1756 the British formally declared war (marking the official beginning of the Seven Years’ War), but their new commander in America, Lord Loudoun, faced the same problems as his predecessors and met with little success against the French and their Indian allies.

The tide turned in 1757 because William Pitt, the new British leader, saw the colonial conflicts as the key to building a vast British empire. Borrowing heavily to finance the war, he paid Prussia to fight in Europe and reimbursed the colonies for raising troops in North America. 

READ MORE: How 22-Year-Old George Washington Inadvertently Sparked a World War

British Victory in Canada

In July 1758, the British won their first great victory at Louisbourg, near the mouth of the St. Lawrence River. A month later, they took Fort Frontenac at the western end of the river. 

 

In November 1758, General John Forbes captured Fort Duquesne for the British after the French destroyed and abandoned it, and Fort Pitt—named after William Pitt—was built on the site, giving the British a key stronghold. 

The British then closed in on Quebec, where Gen. James Wolfe won a spectacular victory in the Battle of Quebec on the Plains of Abraham in September of 1759 (though both he and the French commander, the Marquis de Montcalm, were fatally wounded). 

With the fall of Montreal in September 1760, the French lost their last foothold in Canada. Soon, Spain joined France against England, and for the rest of the war Britain concentrated on seizing French and Spanish territories in other parts of the world.

The Treaty of Paris Ends the War

The French and Indian War ended with the signing of the Treaty of Paris in February 1763. The British received Canada from France and Florida from Spain, but permitted France to keep its West Indian sugar islands and gave Louisiana to Spain. The arrangement strengthened the American colonies significantly by removing their European rivals to the north and south and opening the Mississippi Valley to westward expansion.

Impact of the Seven Years’ War on the American Revolution

The British crown borrowed heavily from British and Dutch bankers to bankroll the war, doubling British national debt. King George II argued that since the French and Indian War benefited the colonists by securing their borders, they should contribute to paying down the war debt.

To defend his newly won territory from future attacks, King George II also decided to install permanent British army units in the Americas, which required additional sources of revenue.

In 1765, parliament passed the Stamp Act to help pay down the war debt and finance the British army’s presence in the Americas. It was the first internal tax directly levied on American colonists by parliament and was met with strong resistance. 

It was followed by the unpopular Townshend Acts and Tea Act, which further incensed colonists who believed there should be no taxation without representation. Britain’s increasingly militaristic response to colonial unrest would ultimately lead to the American Revolution.

Fifteen years after the Treaty of Paris, French bitterness over the loss of most of their colonial empire contributed to their intervention on the side of the colonists in the Revolutionary War.

 

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This is your link, I took the time to cut and pasted it for you. I read it twice and couldn't find anything, please highlight the part you are talking about. I do want to say I noticed the cutaway link to how 22 year old George Washington inadvertantly sparked a World war though which kind of shows where this is potentially going.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

@Voltaire

 

https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets

[Voltaire 5,317]

42 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

@Voltaire

 

https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets

Well that's better.

Although they didn't know about how to effectively spread it, Bouquet and Amherst clearly intended to implement such when they providing blankets from the smallpox ward at the hospital to the natives. Your link goes on to say that the results of the action were inconclusive, that the diseaes in the blankets  would have been too old to be effective,  and there had already been an outbreak in the native community preceeding this since that the disease had reached Fort Pitt in the first place by way of the Indians who, (using your same logic) successfully conducting biological attacks against the British.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Well that's better.

Although they didn't know about how to effectively spread it, Bouquet and Amherst clearly intended to implement such when they providing blankets from the smallpox ward at the hospital to the natives. Your link goes on to say that the results of the action were inconclusive, that the diseaes in the blankets  would have been too old to be effective,  and there had already been an outbreak in the native community preceeding this since that the disease had reached Fort Pitt in the first place by way of the Indians (who, using your same logic) successfully conducting biological attacks against the British.

Sorry, I was trying to make the broader point that throughout history people have not been nice to other groups of people. I did not mean to highlight this specific incident amongst any others. I was grabbing random examples.

[Cdub100 3,910]

2 hours ago, MTSkiBum said:

As a country we went from germ warfare genocide against native Americans to absolutely one of the least racist countries on the planet.

 

There is little to no proof that actually happened. There's one story from a trader on the subject. Just more white guilt they push on white people. 

[Voltaire 5,317]

26 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

Sorry, I was trying to make the broader point that throughout history people have not been nice to other groups of people. I did not mean to highlight this specific incident amongst any others. I was grabbing random examples.

I liked the rest of the point, the greater point, that you were trying to make.  I just wanted to point out this flaw.

The US is the least racist place on the planet, has been for generations, ceratinly since Jim Crow which is 55 years gone, yet bumbles along with a "we're so horrible" attitude. In fact, western civilization is the least racist, and most decent and civil, the most free and democratic, in global history. Unfortunatly, we're not tending our civic garden, we're letting the weeds in to contaminate ourselves and our predecessors. Meanwhile, the wolves are at the door in Russia, China, and Islam, trying to revert history to social, racial, and/or religious intollerance of the rest of history. If they ever successfully get the leg up, they won't play nearly so nice. They don't give a flap about out happy/slappy "we're so horrible" navel gazing about how poorly the natives or blacks were treated before most of us were born.

 

[Cdub100 3,910]

Most of history as you guys know is false.

[Masshole 642]

9 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I liked the rest of the point, the greater point, that you were trying to make.  I just wanted to point out this flaw.

The US is the least racist place on the planet, has been for generations, ceratinly since Jim Crow which is 55 years gone, yet bumbles along with a "we're so horrible" attitude. In fact, western civilization is the least racist, and most decent and civil, the most free and democratic, in global history. Unfortunatly, we're not tending our civic garden, we're letting the weeds in to contaminate ourselves and our predecessors. Meanwhile, the wolves are at the door in Russia, China, and Islam, trying to revert history to social, racial, and/or religious intollerance of the rest of histroy. If they ever get the leg up, they won't play nearly so nice if they succeed and they don't give a flap about out happy/slappy "we're so horrible" navel gazing about how poorly the natives or blacks were treated before most of us were born.

 

I wish I could give this post 10,000 thumbs up.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

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Arrested while already in jail. Must be a racism angle here.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Can we mark this thread as REFUTED now?

[jerryskids 6,800]

16 hours ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

I would say a part of the problem is bad algorithms, and I do not think that is because of racism at all. I think that the easiest, most convenient way to both capture data and write code had a negative effect on minorities. The will need to be rewritten, but it is being actively worked on.

 

At the risk of sounding crass, but I'm an engineer so... the problem with data is that it doesn't discriminate, and sometimes people who don't like the results will fudge the data to fit their worldview.  Temperature measurement in climate change studies is a good example. 

If the algorithms say "if black then decline" then yeah, that's not a very good algorithm. But banks are in the business of making money, so I doubt that is the case.  Insurance is another industry which heavily uses actuarial data to set prices.  A young male pays more for car insurance than an equivalent age female, and more than an older males.  The reason is because young males get into more accidents.  Is that sexist and agist?  By the way some people define racism (anything that disproportionately affects black people), the answer is yes, it disproportionately affects young males.  Should we "fix" that?  

Insurance companies also look at location:  certain zip codes/areas have more crime than others, more dense driving, more history of accidents/theft, and will charge more for a vehicle in that area.  This disproportionately affects black people because they tend to live in poorer neighborhoods.  Should we "fix" that because it is racist?

Again, if there are specific parts of these algorithms which rely solely on skin color, then I agree that that is wrong. 

 

[Bier Meister 1,710]

I do not have a lot of time to devote to longer discussions.

@Masshole
 

I bumped a thread where I provided many links.

 

Skids- I also mentioned that the US rates highly with progression towards treatment of discrimination.

 

as a society we should strive to be better. There is still a lot of discriminatory practices (beyond racism).  A lot if status quo would like to prevent that as they see it as something being taken away from them.

 

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

And the verdict is in:

Everything about calling those policemen racist was indeed refutable.

The police were not racist 

/thread.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

10 hours ago, jerryskids said:

At the risk of sounding crass, but I'm an engineer so... the problem with data is that it doesn't discriminate, and sometimes people who don't like the results will fudge the data to fit their worldview.  Temperature measurement in climate change studies is a good example. 

If the algorithms say "if black then decline" then yeah, that's not a very good algorithm. But banks are in the business of making money, so I doubt that is the case.  Insurance is another industry which heavily uses actuarial data to set prices.  A young male pays more for car insurance than an equivalent age female, and more than an older males.  The reason is because young males get into more accidents.  Is that sexist and agist?  By the way some people define racism (anything that disproportionately affects black people), the answer is yes, it disproportionately affects young males.  Should we "fix" that?  

Insurance companies also look at location:  certain zip codes/areas have more crime than others, more dense driving, more history of accidents/theft, and will charge more for a vehicle in that area.  This disproportionately affects black people because they tend to live in poorer neighborhoods.  Should we "fix" that because it is racist?

Again, if there are specific parts of these algorithms which rely solely on skin color, then I agree that that is wrong. 

 

 

I am interested in talking about this, but not on a Saturday night.