Hawkeye21 2,399 Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: It was clearly started by the black kid. He pushed the white kid then the white kid pushed him back and the black kid start throwing punches. Either way, who cares? It's just fun to watch guttergirl go nuts. The black kid is touching the white kid's hand while he's pointing at him, like he's trying to block him, then he moves the white kid's hand out of the way. The violence starts with the white kid. I don't know what started it all in the first place though. This video doesn't give enough context regardless. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,992 Posted February 16, 2022 Did the black kid die? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted February 16, 2022 Let the riots commence. Wake up Minneapolis. There's work to be done. BYOF. Bring your own firebombs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,699 Posted February 16, 2022 To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Mark Twain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,547 Posted February 16, 2022 The white kid comes across as a douche bag. I'd have arrested him just for that. Looks more like ineptness by the cops than anything else. I'll see what other info comes out of this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,448 Posted February 16, 2022 I hate all you people, specially the white ones, that have made us think about race in everything. Not just talking about this incident, but the overall tone of the country. Kiss my ass. I’m sick of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted February 16, 2022 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: I hate all you people, specially the white ones, that have made us think about race in everything. Not just talking about this incident, but the overall tone of the country. Kiss my ass. I’m sick of it. #metoo. Except for me always having done my best to avoid dangerous areas of the country, I never used to think of race like I do now. It actually has negatively affected my opinion of black people. Before, to me people were just people. Look at them for who they are as a person. Today, not the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,448 Posted February 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: #metoo. Except for me always having done my best to avoid dangerous areas of the country, I never used to think of race like I do now. It actually has negatively affected my opinion of black people. Before, to me people were just people. Look at them for who they are as a person. Today, not the same. That’s the plan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted February 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: That’s the plan. Reminds me to a degree of an Orson Scott Card book I read a long time ago. Unaccompanied Sonata. Quote A child is brought up to be a musical prodigy. He is raised alone in a cabin by unsinging servants, in order to guarantee that his only musical influences are natural. He plays on a complicated instrument capable of a wide range of sound, but is absolutely disallowed from hearing the music of others, for, he is told, that would corrupt his originality and make his work derivative. At some point he is, against the wishes of his keepers, introduced to the music of Bach, and when this is discovered by a "Watcher", he is uprooted from his composition at the age of thirty, and is then barred by law from ever again making music. The story then follows him as he struggles to repress his desire for musical expression. He is introduced to Bach, and attempting to hide it, he tries so hard to not let any traits of Bach's music slip into his own work, he ends up exposing himself because he takes out commonalties that he normally would have kept in and vice versa. In an odd way, there are similar things happening to everyone in this country when it comes to race. People who normally were not raised to be racist and really didn't ever practice it, now can't help but allow it to influence their views on other races in a negative manner. Same thing is happening to black people. Many hate white people more now than they have in 60 years. The only difference between the story and this reality of ours is, the "keepers" in this sense (government and media) are the ones pushing this on us. Not some guy in the woods bringing recordings. And hussein obama is 100% to blame for instilling this trend into our society. Took him 8 years, but he was successful. His greatest personal achievement. Focking assh0le. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nospk 230 Posted February 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said: The black kid is touching the white kid's hand while he's pointing at him, like he's trying to block him, then he moves the white kid's hand out of the way. The violence starts with the white kid. I don't know what started it all in the first place though. This video doesn't give enough context regardless. We cannot tell what happened between these 2 kids that led up to where the video starts with the finger pointing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted February 16, 2022 So, in the end, I guess this "racism" is absolutely refutable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,642 Posted February 16, 2022 Hold on, so vomit is gutterpedo? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nospk 230 Posted February 16, 2022 They are saying to each other “let’s do it right here” “let’s go outside right now” , all pretty typical tough guy pre fight challenge words. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Fireballer said: Hold on, so vomit is gutterpedo? Yup. He even admitted that the gutterpedo name was banned. He yelled at someone for turning him in. I think he blamed digby. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,642 Posted February 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: Yup. He even admitted that the gutterpedo name was banned. He yelled at someone for turning him in. I think he blamed digby. Sad. Nobody should be banned. What did he do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Fireballer said: Sad. Nobody should be banned. What did he do? No idea. But I agree with you. No one should be banned unless they just seriously litter threads with nonsense just to ruin it. rusty and huskyhater come to mind in the biden thread ranting on and on and on about Trump for unknown reason. That said, I wouldn't turn them in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted February 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: Yup. He even admitted that the gutterpedo name was banned. He yelled at someone for turning him in. I think he blamed digby. Yea his dumb ass blamed me even though I’ve said multiple times I never have nor ever will report anyone cause I find it being equivalent to snitching to the teacher. Of course, it’s gutterpedo we are talking about. He’s not exactly known for posting anything worth acknowledging Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taco breath 424 Posted February 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said: I watched it a few more times and it looks pretty bad. The white kid is in the black kid's face and pointing at him. The black kid moves the white kid's hand out of the way which leads to the white kid getting violent. The white kid is on top of the black kid and punching him when the cops arrive. The cops pull the white kid off and then proceed to handcuff the black kid. The black kid does not resist. I think all they really needed to do was separate the two and discuss what happened. looks like racism to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted February 17, 2022 For who started the fight, 75% the white kid for sticking his hand in the black kid's personal space but they were both talking trash and the black kid intitated first contact. As to the accusation of racism towards the cops, as I said before, based on the clip only, I didn't see any. They just handled the black kid first. Arrests aren't pretty. But if the story unfolds a as vomit says, where only the black kid got detained, that would demonstrated disparate outcomes and indicate racially profiling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,399 Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, taco breath said: looks like racism to me. For people who are dense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,702 Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Fireballer said: Sad. Nobody should be banned. What did he do? Newbie deserved to be banned by stating he thought President Trump should be assassinated… 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted February 17, 2022 13 hours ago, vomit said: exactly. Nice to see some more people coming around. Knowing who posts here I knew the reaction was gonna be "black deserved it, the black is the violent one, blacks destroy the world, etc" but it's nice to see some honestly and fairness from some people here. I generally roll my eyes at racists allegations, but I saw this and was like "Alright, that's really bad". Hilarious post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted February 17, 2022 8 hours ago, Voltaire said: For who started the fight, 75% the white kid for sticking his hand in the black kid's personal space but they were both talking trash and the black kid intitated first contact. As to the accusation of racism towards the cops, as I said before, based on the clip only, I didn't see any. They just handled the black kid first. Arrests aren't pretty. But if the story unfolds a as vomit says, where only the black kid got detained, that would demonstrated disparate outcomes and indicate racially profiling. I bet they dealt with that black kid before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,448 Posted February 17, 2022 People being killed and seriously assaulted left and right, many of it on video, and this slap fight has guttervomit very upset. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,702 Posted February 17, 2022 Looks like Yahoo picked up the story... https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-response-n-j-mall-182252253.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masshole 642 Posted February 17, 2022 I can't believe that at this point in our history/experience that everyone doesn't understand that you CANNOT TRUST edited video or audio. I am not saying that I know there wasn't racism involved in the police reaction to that incident. Maybe yes, maybe no. I am saying I would need to see more to make a judgement either way. At this point if someone shows/plays something for me that's been cut and doesn't provide a link where you can see the beginning, the end, and all of the incident - hard pass. I am making no judgements based on what you've decided to show me unless you will let me decide where to begin and end the tape that I am viewing/hearing. This is like "Media Consumption in the 21st Century" 101 level stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Masshole said: I can't believe that at this point in our history/experience that everyone doesn't understand that you CANNOT TRUST edited video or audio. I am not saying that I know there wasn't racism involved in the police reaction to that incident. Maybe yes, maybe no. I am saying I would need to see more to make a judgement either way. At this point if someone shows/plays something for me that's been cut and doesn't provide a link where you can see the beginning, the end, and all of the incident - hard pass. I am making no judgements based on what you've decided to show me unless you will let me decide where to begin and end the tape that I am viewing/hearing. This is like "Media Consumption in the 21st Century" 101 level stuff. The call to racism is so tired it's become cliche. Liberals need to come up with something new soon Because they are losing the whole racist, homophobe and misogynist thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,710 Posted February 17, 2022 there is plenty of racism out there. However, this video is not irrefutable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jetdoc 20 Posted February 17, 2022 It is hard to imagine a set of circumstances where this wasn't at least split-second racial profiling by the police. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Jetdoc said: It is hard to imagine a set of circumstances where this wasn't at least split-second racial profiling by the police. You are a racist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,702 Posted February 17, 2022 As I have said before, the word racism/racist doesn't mean a damn thing any more... This all started when people were automatically called racist when they disagreed with an Obama policy while he was in office... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masshole 642 Posted February 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bier Meister said: there is plenty of racism out there. However, this video is not irrefutable. Is there? Honestly, what was the last "racist" thing you personally witnessed? Not saw on TV or heard about. And I am not talking about the HS GED guy working at Pep Boys saying that he "doesn't like n____s". I mean actual racism. Someone not getting hired because of their race. Someone getting beat up solely because of their race. Someone not getting accepted to a school because of their race (wait, the Asians may have a thing or two to say about that last one). Something real like that. I know there is historical racism, but nowadays? Because for me - I can't think of any. And I was in a business where I hired/employed thousands of people over the years. No skill req'd, low wage jobs. All different types of people. Many, many, many opportunities for active racism to come into play. Never saw it happen. And I lived in "the most racist city in the country" (Boston). I've actually tried to think of actual racist incidents I've personally witnessed - I am having trouble coming up with examples. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,232 Posted February 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, posty said: As I have said before, the word racism/racist doesn't mean a damn thing any more... This all started when people were automatically called racist when they disagreed with an Obama policy while he was in office... I think it is getting there. I think there are still plenty of people, and notably businesses, that fear the weaponization of the term. But I get a sense that people have had enough, and increasingly are shrugging it off, in part due to its over use. I hope that is true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted February 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Masshole said: Is there? Honestly, what was the last "racist" thing you personally witnessed? Not saw on TV or heard about. And I am not talking about the HS GED guy working at Pep Boys saying that he "doesn't like n____s". I mean actual racism. Someone not getting hired because of their race. Someone getting beat up solely because of their race. Someone not getting accepted to a school because of their race (wait, the Asians may have a thing or two to say about that last one). Something real like that. I know there is historical racism, but nowadays? Because for me - I can't think of any. And I was in a business where I hired/employed thousands of people over the years. No skill req'd, low wage jobs. All different types of people. Many, many, many opportunities for active racism to come into play. Never saw it happen. And I lived in "the most racist city in the country" (Boston). I've actually tried to think of actual racist incidents I've personally witnessed - I am having trouble coming up with examples. There’s more of this against white people than there are any other race. White people wont get hired bc their race, get beat up cause they’re white, get made fun of cause they’re white, not getting accepted into school cause of their race. You NEVER see this regarding any other race than white in todays society. We’ve “socially advanced” to where people aren’t discriminated against regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. However, if the person is white then you can treat them like dirt. Unless they’re they’re part of LGBTQ. Then you aren’t allowed to treat them like trash 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted February 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Djgb13 said: There’s more of this against white people than there are any other race. White people wont get hired bc their race, get beat up cause they’re white, get made fun of cause they’re white, not getting accepted into school cause of their race. You NEVER see this regarding any other race than white in todays society 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,547 Posted February 17, 2022 This is what the mother is concerned about: "Eboné said: “It’s not fair that we are constantly having to fear the cops. I’m just glad it happened where there were a whole bunch of eyes on the situation, ’cause I don’t know what would have happened.” Not the fact that her 14 year old was involved in a fist fight in the first place. If she focused on her son more, she wouldn't have to be concerned with the police. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said: This is what the mother is concerned about: "Eboné said: “It’s not fair that we are constantly having to fear the cops. I’m just glad it happened where there were a whole bunch of eyes on the situation, ’cause I don’t know what would have happened.” Not the fact that her 14 year old was involved in a fist fight in the first place. If she focused on her son more, she wouldn't have to be concerned with the police. All they have left in their lives is being a victim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Utilit99 said: All they have left in their lives is being a victim. Victim/slave mentality. Thankfully my black friends aren’t like this and have some common focking sense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted February 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Djgb13 said: Victim/slave mentality. Thankfully my black friends aren’t like this and have some common focking sense It's odd how they project it upon themselves when they have never even been victims nor slaves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted February 17, 2022 34 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: It's odd how they project it upon themselves when they have never even been victims nor slaves. It pisses me off to no end. MLK wanted people to be treated equally. You can’t treat people equally today. If you do it’s considered racist. Cause black people along with liberals don’t want to be treated equally. They want to be treated special. And if you don’t treat them special like they want then they’ll call you racist, bigot, sexist, xenophobic, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites