nuclear war - doomsday⌛

[JustinCharge 2,397]

you are crazy if you think Russia will allow the world to pile up all of that heavy armor and weaponry in Ukraine.  that can turn into NATO blitzing Moscow so fast.  They will start nuking as it CLEARLY threatens their existence.  this all needs to stop.  get Biden out of there, get our guys out of there.  there is no good ending to this.

[Voltaire 5,322]

14 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

 

However despite the U-turn it could still take months or even years for the tanks to be delivered.

For the record, if they actually cared to move quickly, an entire brigade of M1A2 tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles from 2nd Armor Division (FWD) were loaded on a ship in Bremerhaven, Germany in mid-December 1990 and arrived about five-six weeks later in al Jubail, Saudi Arabia.

signed,

Geek Club war veteran who was in 2AD when this happened

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

12 hours ago, Voltaire said:

For the record, if they actually cared to move quickly, an entire brigade of M1A2 tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles from 2nd Armor Division (FWD) were loaded on a ship in Bremerhaven, Germany in mid-December 1990 and arrived about five-six weeks later in al Jubail, Saudi Arabia.

signed,

Geek Club war veteran who was in 2AD when this happened

Why does it take so long?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

13 hours ago, Voltaire said:

For the record, if they actually cared to move quickly, an entire brigade of M1A2 tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles from 2nd Armor Division (FWD) were loaded on a ship in Bremerhaven, Germany in mid-December 1990 and arrived about five-six weeks later in al Jubail, Saudi Arabia.

signed,

Geek Club war veteran who was in 2AD when this happened

You still have to train the Ukrainian soldiers. Those were being delivered to troops that knew how to operate them. 

[RogerDodger 798]

1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Why does it take so long?

You should study a map sometime.

[Voltaire 5,322]

2 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Why does it take so long?

Well, you can drop in the airborn units in anywhere in an emergency. If you're in one of those units it's a serious pain in the ass being on alert all the time, tethered to a phone, potentially having to drop what you're doing and being sent off to some global sh*thole within 24 hours. But that's their problem, I was in with the tankers.

Moving tanks is a lot harder than dropping people and whatever else out of airplanes. They're heavy and harder to deploy, in our case require loading and unloading onto massive cargo ships. Before you even deploy, you have to schedule the focking ship to arrive. GHWB upped the intesity of Operation Desert Shield the day after the midterm election, we loaded the ship in mid December, flew out to Saudi on Jan 6th, were sitting our asses in port waiting for the ship(s) to arrive when the air war started, deployed to the front lines after they did arrive, bounced around 3 days here/ 5 days there in the middle of nowhere to the far west attached to Big Red One.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

3 hours ago, RogerDodger said:

You should study a map sometime.

You should ride a ferry sometime. You drive onto the ferry, and it gets you to the other side in a matter of minutes.

Then there is this crazy invention called an "airplane." The military has gigantic ones capable of quickly moving tanks from Point A to Point B. 

There is also this thing called the Internet, where one can look up these things and not look like an ignorant dumbass.

https://corsia.us/all-you-wanted-to-know-about-shipping-a-tank

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Aircrafts like the Lockheed C5 Galaxy have been used for decades to transport military tanks to war destinations within hours. 

[RogerDodger 798]

19 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You should ride a ferry sometime. You drive onto the ferry, and it gets you to the other side in a matter of minutes.

Then there is this crazy invention called an "airplane." The military has gigantic ones capable of quickly moving tanks from Point A to Point B. 

There is also this thing called the Internet, where one can look up these things and not look like an ignorant dumbass.

https://corsia.us/all-you-wanted-to-know-about-shipping-a-tank

 Bold

The post you responded to was by ship.  It takes 10-20 days to cross the Atlantic (not minutes dummy).  Do the math for Germany all the way round to Saudi.  HTH.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

3 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

 Bold

The post you responded to was by ship.  It takes 10-20 days to cross the Atlantic (not minutes dummy).  Do the math for Germany all the way round to Saudi.  HTH.

Which is why they should use that ol' Lockheed C5 Galaxy to get those tanks there. 

It's 5,593 miles between Killeen, Texas, home of Fort Hood, home to lots and lots of those tanks, and Warsaw, Poland, which is a hop, skip and a jump from the Ukraine border. Perhaps there is a closer airport. 

Let's say it takes a day to load and unload that ol' Lockheed Galaxy, whose top speed is 579 mph.

The flight could be made in under 10 hours.

It's about 490 miles from Warsaw to the Ukrainian border.

So a day to load, a 10-hour flight, a day to unload and then maybe a 9-hour drive from Warsaw to the Ukrainian border via truck or train. Then perhaps another 10 or so hours to get them over to the east.

I suppose the Ukers will need some training.

So maybe is a week to two weeks before Ukers are using those Abrams to blow the fock up out of those nasty Russians.

 

 

[RogerDodger 798]

3 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Which is why they should use that ol' Lockheed C5 Galaxy to get those tanks there. 

It's 5,593 miles between Killeen, Texas, home of Fort Hood, home to lots and lots of those tanks, and Warsaw, Poland, which is a hop, skip and a jump from the Ukraine border. Perhaps there is a closer airport. 

Let's say it takes a day to load and unload that ol' Lockheed Galaxy, whose top speed is 579 mph.

The flight could be made in under 10 hours.

It's about 490 miles from Warsaw to the Ukrainian border.

So a day to load, a 10-hour flight, a day to unload and then maybe a 9-hour drive from Warsaw to the Ukrainian border via truck or train. Then perhaps another 10 or so hours to get them over to the east.

I suppose the Ukers will need some training.

So maybe is a week to two weeks before Ukers are using those Abrams to blow the fock up out of those nasty Russians.

 

 

Two tanks at a time. 

I'll take the over.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

Rusty, who didn’t make it out of the webolos, knows better than the us military on how to transport tanks. 

[Louie Kelcher 97]

Webelos

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

2 hours ago, RogerDodger said:

Two tanks at a time. 

I'll take the over.

Will you?

So let's say you and I declare war on each other - RodgerDodger's Retards vs. Pimpadeaux's Pulverizers - and whoever takes Warsaw first wins.

We each have boots on the ground, and a World War I-style battle has ensued. Gains are measured in yards, and the front line goes back and forth. 

The Pulverizers are better equipped and better trained, while the Retards have greater numbers and just send wave after wave of retarded soldiers into the battle.

America doesn't really care who wins because it's really enjoying the youtube videos. But it is a little bored with the stalemate and wants to spice up the proceedings.

So it offers the Retards and Pulverizers 31 Abrams tanks each from Fort Hood, but they have to get them there with the American vehicle of their choice.

The Pulverizers choose 16 trusty ol' Lockheed C5 Galaxies, while the Retards predictably pick a big lumbering ship. 

The Puliverizers have their 31 tanks in Warsaw within a week and gleefully begin shredding Retards as fast as they can. With the Galaxy burning about 2,865 gallons per hour, roughly $201,000 has been spent on fuel.

Meanwhile, the Retards don't have the means to get their tanks to a port, so they physically drive them to Beaumont. The tanks get a whopping 0.6 miles per gallon, so roughly $16,000 is spent on fuel just to get the tanks to the cargo ship, which burns 2,600 gallons per hour as it makes it's way across the Atlantic and through the Baltic Sea at to Poland over the next few weeks. This is like 6,500 nautical miles. I'm not even going to calculate the cost of fuel for that one, much less the cost of the tanks getting from port to Warsaw.

By the time they get there, the Pulverizers have long since eradicated Warsaw of the Retard scum and spend weeks setting up an impenetrable defense that turns the finally arriving Retard tanks into burning hulks of metal as they reach the city's outskirts.

The Pulverizers savor their victory with drinking, singing, dancing and fornicating with those delicious Warsaw cuties.

Pimpadeaux takes the over for the V!

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

Tl/dr

[nobody 2,692]

You wouldn't drive the tanks to a port, Rusty.  You'd transport them via truck or rail.

Drive 31 tanks down a paved road, and you likely wouldn't have a paved road anymore.

[RogerDodger 798]

1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Will you?

So let's say you and I declare war on each other - RodgerDodger's Retards vs. Pimpadeaux's Pulverizers - and whoever takes Warsaw first wins.

We each have boots on the ground, and a World War I-style battle has ensued. Gains are measured in yards, and the front line goes back and forth. 

The Pulverizers are better equipped and better trained, while the Retards have greater numbers and just send wave after wave of retarded soldiers into the battle.

America doesn't really care who wins because it's really enjoying the youtube videos. But it is a little bored with the stalemate and wants to spice up the proceedings.

So it offers the Retards and Pulverizers 31 Abrams tanks each from Fort Hood, but they have to get them there with the American vehicle of their choice.

The Pulverizers choose 16 trusty ol' Lockheed C5 Galaxies, while the Retards predictably pick a big lumbering ship. 

The Puliverizers have their 31 tanks in Warsaw within a week and gleefully begin shredding Retards as fast as they can. With the Galaxy burning about 2,865 gallons per hour, roughly $201,000 has been spent on fuel.

Meanwhile, the Retards don't have the means to get their tanks to a port, so they physically drive them to Beaumont. The tanks get a whopping 0.6 miles per gallon, so roughly $16,000 is spent on fuel just to get the tanks to the cargo ship, which burns 2,600 gallons per hour as it makes it's way across the Atlantic and through the Baltic Sea at to Poland over the next few weeks. This is like 6,500 nautical miles. I'm not even going to calculate the cost of fuel for that one, much less the cost of the tanks getting from port to Warsaw.

By the time they get there, the Pulverizers have long since eradicated Warsaw of the Retard scum and spend weeks setting up an impenetrable defense that turns the finally arriving Retard tanks into burning hulks of metal as they reach the city's outskirts.

The Pulverizers savor their victory with drinking, singing, dancing and fornicating with those delicious Warsaw cuties.

Pimpadeaux takes the over for the V!

 

 

Nice fantasy world you live in

NBC News reporting German tanks to arrive at the end of March. US tanks "several months later".  

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

You wouldn't drive the tanks to a port, Rusty.  You'd transport them via truck or rail.

Drive 31 tanks down a paved road, and you likely wouldn't have a paved road anymore.

RogerDodger's Retards didn't have a choice, because they chose boat. 

Are you this obtuse?

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

1 hour ago, RogerDodger said:

Nice fantasy world you live in

NBC News reporting German tanks to arrive at the end of March. US tanks "several months later".  

They'd arrive a lot sooner if they flew them over in that good ol' Lockheed C5 Uranus!

[RogerDodger 798]

3 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

They'd arrive a lot sooner if they flew them over in that good ol' Lockheed C5 Uranus!

I'm sure the people who do this sort of thing for a living would appreciate your cat sh!t brain opinion.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

13 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

I'm sure the people who do this sort of thing for a living would appreciate your cat sh!t brain opinion.  

Not sorry my strategy kicked your retarded ass in Warsaw. Take the L, have some hot coco and go to bed. My dominance of you today has been decisive. You don't want any more of Pimpadeaux today, just like all the before-you losers, whom I've decisively deflected with a casual smack of my literary back hand on a daily, hourly and almost minutely basis. Cry softly in your pillow.

[nobody 2,692]

1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

RogerDodger's Retards didn't have a choice, because they chose boat. 

Are you this obtuse?

Were you saying a tank crew would hop in a tank and drive down?

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

13 minutes ago, nobody said:

Were you saying a tank crew would hop in a tank and drive down?

Good lord you've turned into such a particle-board unfunny shell of your former self. What's wrong with you? I come up with some nonsensical, creative hyperbolic scenario and you're all super focking brass-tacks serious about it all. Get over yourself.

[nobody 2,692]

1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Good lord you've turned into such a particle-board unfunny shell of your former self. What's wrong with you? I come up with some nonsensical, creative hyperbolic scenario and you're all super focking brass-tacks serious about it all. Get over yourself.

Bullshìt.  You really thought they'd be driving tanks down interstates and shìt.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

9 hours ago, nobody said:

Bullshìt.  You really thought they'd be driving tanks down interstates and shìt.

Not my tanks. They were loaded onto the 16 Galaxies, flown to Poland and immediately rolled into battle, where they crushed the enemy like Styrofoam cups. 

The Retards had to use the interstates because America gave them only one transportation option, so they couldn't use trucks and trains to get their tanks to the port.

The U.S. Army uses trains and transport trucks to get equipment between Fort Hood and the Beaumont port. I've lived in both areas and actually witnessed this.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

What do you think Justin?

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,142]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What do you think Justin?

 

"According to Fox News, the US has intercepted Russian aircraft in the North American ADIZ six to seven times a year since 2007."

They technically were still in international airspace.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

"According to Fox News, the US has intercepted Russian aircraft in the North American ADIZ six to seven times a year since 2007."

I wondered how often it happened with Alaska being so close to Russia.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-politics-de0af48be7ea480ccb0175f55a065363

Putin ups tensions over Ukraine, suspending START nuke pact

By The Associated Press 43 minutes ago

Russian President Vladimir Putin suspended Moscow’s participation in the last remaining nuclear arms control pact with the U.S., announcing the move Tuesday in a bitter speech where he made clear he would not change his strategy in the war in Ukraine.

In his long-delayed state-of-the-nation address, Putin cast his country — and Ukraine — as victims of Western double-dealing and said it was Russia, not Ukraine, fighting for its very existence.

“We aren’t fighting the Ukrainian people,” Putin said in a speech days before the war’s first anniversary on Friday. “The Ukrainian people have become hostages of the Kyiv regime and its Western masters, which have effectively occupied the country.”

The speech reiterated a litany of grievances that the Russian leader has frequently offered as justification for the widely condemned military campaign while vowing no military let-up in a conflict that has reawakened fears of a new Cold War.

On top of that, Putin sharply upped the ante by declaring that Moscow would suspend its participation in the so-called New START Treaty. The pact, signed in 2010 by the U.S. and Russia, caps the number of long-range nuclear warheads the two sides can deploy and limits the use of missiles that can carry atomic weapons.

Putin also said that Russia should stand ready to resume nuclear weapons tests if the U.S. does so, a move that would end a global ban on such tests in place since the Cold War era.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Putin's a focking loser.

[frank 2,307]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Putin's a focking loser.

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,851]

16 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Putin's a focking loser.

Yep. Losing the war, Biden goes to Kjiv, so Russia pulls out of Start. So effing weak. 
 

He thought Biden was a wussy like Trump. Bad mistake. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

27 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Putin's a focking loser.

I thought he was the right hand of God?

[Mike Hunt 283]

What I don`t understand is Ukraine nor anyone else was ever going to invade Russia as Putin keeps saying. 

 

Nor is anyone ever going to invade North Korea. NK has nothing of any value to invade for. 

[The Real timschochet 6,851]

2 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

What I don`t understand is Ukraine nor anyone else was ever going to invade Russia as Putin keeps saying. 

 

Nor is anyone ever going to invade North Korea. NK has nothing of any value to invade for. 

When World War II started, Hitler claimed it was because Poland was trying to invade Germany. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

6 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

What I don`t understand is Ukraine nor anyone else was ever going to invade Russia as Putin keeps saying. 

 

Nor is anyone ever going to invade North Korea. NK has nothing of any value to invade for. 

Exactly.  No one wants anything to do with Russia.  All they have to do is mind their own business and everyone is happy.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

34 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

What I don`t understand is Ukraine nor anyone else was ever going to invade Russia as Putin keeps saying.

Putin has explained that for about 15 years.  You need to read some of his speeches to understand.  He's very public about it all.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

29 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Exactly.  No one wants anything to do with Russia.  All they have to do is mind their own business and everyone is happy.

That's the point Putin has been making for 15 years.  The West is NOT minding its own business.  All the West needed to do is cut it out and things wouldn't be where they are.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

That's the point Putin has been making for 15 years.  The West is NOT minding its own business.  All the West needed to do is cut it out and things wouldn't be where they are.

What did the west do to Russia?  Did they attack them?

[JustinCharge 2,397]

The turning point was when a majority of Americans believed homosexual marriage was OK. That was around 2006 or so.  That's when Putin began damning America and the West in speeches, calling it all satanic.  He repeatedly stated that America has a responsibility to NOT push its (lack of) morality onto Russia.  Russia is a deeply christian nation and will not tolerate it.  instead, we helped support a coup in Ukraine to turn them more in favor of the West, which means (to Russia) a satanic morality is on their border. 

They had to invade at that point or experience spiritual death. 

The US attacked first.  Not with guns and weapons, but with (to Russia) a satanic moral code.

Russia would rather nuke the planet than experience spiritual death.

The US is NOT minding its own business.

Russia is fighting for their core beliefs and values. 

Russia is fighting against homosexuality, mutilation of children, abortion, bestiality, assisted suicide, devil worship.  All of it.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

4 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

The turning point was when a majority of Americans believed homosexual marriage was OK. That was around 2006 or so.  That's when Putin began damning America and the West in speeches, calling it all satanic.  He repeatedly stated that America has a responsibility to NOT push its (lack of) morality onto Russia.  Russia is a deeply christian nation and will not tolerate it.  instead, we helped support a coup in Ukraine to turn them more in favor of the West, which means (to Russia) a satanic morality is on their border. 

They had to invade at that point or experience spiritual death. 

The US attacked first.  Not with guns and weapons, but with (to Russia) a satanic moral code.

Russia would rather nuke the planet than experience spiritual death.

The US is NOT minding its own business.

Russia is fighting for their core beliefs and values. 

Russia is fighting against homosexuality, mutilation of children, abortion, bestiality, assisted suicide, devil worship.  All of it.

So... the west did nothing to Russia but they are upset with the way we choose to live freely?  Sounds like Russia is incredibly soft.