Nothing on the Texas School shooting?

[TimHauck 2,634]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Or he doesn't know how locks work.

 

He doesn't, as he thinks the teacher would've been able to know if it was locked from the inside, even though doors like that lock from the outside, not the inside:

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

When you run back in maybe you should check that it’s locked? Not fling it open and run. Did they remove the rock? I doubt it. Someone was shooting and they were terrified. If they stopped to remove the rock then they should have made sure it was secured. 

 

[TimHauck 2,634]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What’s definite is she shouldn’t have been using that door in the first place, and she damn sure shouldn’t have been propping it open 

Aaaaand the goalposts have been moved across the country

[Hardcore troubadour 15,001]

On 6/1/2022 at 1:52 PM, Sean Mooney said:

HT apparently has not seen that police confirmed the door was shut but the locking mechanism did not work. 

No, I have not. Sounds like bullshit though. Doesn’t change the fact that safety measures in place were not adhered to by staff. 

[TimHauck 2,634]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No, I have not. Doesn’t change the fact that safety measures in place were not adhered to by staff. Now about that open classroom. The one where all the killing took place. Locking mechanism broke on that on that one as well? 

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/31/1102316313/texas-uvalde-teacher-door-open-closed

They have now determined that the teacher, who has not been identified, propped the door open with a rock, but then removed the rock and closed the door when she realized there was a shooter on campus, said Travis Considine, chief communications officer for the Texas Department of Public Safety. But, Considine said, the door did not lock.

"We did verify she closed the door. The door did not lock. We know that much and now investigators are looking into why it did not lock," Considine said.

Investigators confirmed the detail through additional video footage reviewed since last Friday's news conference when authorities first said that the door had been left propped open

[Hardcore troubadour 15,001]

Now they are saying there was no rock.It’s all CYA at this point. 

[MDC 7,171]

RP is gonna RP.  

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What’s definite is she shouldn’t have been using that door in the first place, and she damn sure shouldn’t have been propping it open 

What's definite is you are a dumbass and should stop talking at this point because you have no clue what you are talking about.

[TimHauck 2,634]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Now they are saying there was no rock.It’s all CYA at this point. 

Link?

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Link?

Be prepared for the goalposts to move like crazy again.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,001]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

What's definite is you are a dumbass and should stop talking at this point because you have no clue what you are talking about.

I didn’t see you disputing the rock story. You were all about the door not working. You can eat crow as well.  

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I didn’t see you disputing the rock story. You were all about the door not working. You can eat crow as well.  

I have posted- as have others- that the cops are saying the teacher removed the rock, shut the door, and there was at least one other door in the building with a non functioning locking mechanism. 

You keep yelling about rocks disengaging locks apparently. I didn't know rocks had hands and all that. You've been looking like a bigger fool than normal in this thread of late. Take a breath and touch some grass dude. 

[TimHauck 2,634]

Next HT will be saying the teacher broke the door because she slammed it too hard

 

 

[Reality 3,118]

I'll stop double checking my door each night, hell, I pulled it shut. That should be good, if anybody walks in and steals something or murders a member of my family, I'll be able to rest easy knowing I did my part. 

These threads get so stupid, multiple doors were unlocked. I live in southern Indiana, you can't walk into any school around here. It's been that way for years...

[Hardcore troubadour 15,001]

So she didn’t prop open the door. Ok. Why not? How did she expect to get back in? 

[Baker Boy 1,691]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

What's definite is you are a dumbass and should stop talking at this point because you have no clue what you are talking about.

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

[TimHauck 2,634]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So she didn’t prop open the door. Ok. Why not? How did she expect to get back in? 

The door was propped open initially, although not totally sure if she was the one that had propped it open.  However she removed the object that was propping it open, so it was not propped open when Ramos entered.

[TimHauck 2,634]

16 minutes ago, Reality said:

I'll stop double checking my door each night, hell, I pulled it shut. That should be good, if anybody walks in and steals something or murders a member of my family, I'll be able to rest easy knowing I did my part. 

These threads get so stupid, multiple doors were unlocked. I live in southern Indiana, you can't walk into any school around here. It's been that way for years...

Do you live in building where the doors lock from the outside but not the inside?

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So she didn’t prop open the door. Ok. Why not? How did she expect to get back in? 

You should probably quit with this one.  Not sure why you choose to die on this hill.

[MDC 7,171]

26 minutes ago, Reality said:

I'll stop double checking my door each night, hell, I pulled it shut. That should be good, if anybody walks in and steals something or murders a member of my family, I'll be able to rest easy knowing I did my part. 

These threads get so stupid, multiple doors were unlocked. I live in southern Indiana, you can't walk into any school around here. It's been that way for years...

If all the doors were locked do you think the gunman would have left? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,001]

30 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The door was propped open initially, although not totally sure if she was the one that had propped it open.  However she removed the object that was propping it open, so it was not propped open when Ramos entered.

If it were propped open the likely hood of it malfunctioning is much less than If the object was not removed. If it were propped open. The reports are all over the place. 

[Reality 3,118]

11 minutes ago, MDC said:

If all the doors were locked do you think the gunman would have left? 

Nobody could possibly answer that, it's an absurd question. 2 doors were unlocked, that's assuming everything we're being told is the truth, I have my doubts. The people in charge have bungled this situation at every turn. We may not ever know what actually happened. I do know policies like locked doors are in place for a reason, to help prevent situations exactly like this.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,001]

28 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You should probably quit with this one.  Not sure why you choose to die on this hill.

Really? She either knew the door didn’t work and didn’t prop it open or she did prop it open. Got another scenario Einstein? 

[MDC 7,171]

1 minute ago, Reality said:

Nobody could possibly answer that, it's an absurd question. 

I wouldn’t want to back that stupid idea either.  

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Really? She either knew the door didn’t work and didn’t prop it open or she did prop it open. Got another scenario Einstein? 

Yeah, you have no idea what happened.  You're making a fool of yourself.  Best to move on.

[TimHauck 2,634]

15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If it were propped open the likely hood of it malfunctioning is much less than If the object was not removed. If it were propped open. The reports are all over the place. 

Huh?  If it were propped open, it wouldn't have had a chance to malfunction.  But it was not propped open (when Ramos entered).

 

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Really? She either knew the door didn’t work and didn’t prop it open or she did prop it open. Got another scenario Einstein? 

Or, she didn't know the door didn't work Einstein.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,001]

 

20 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Yeah, you have no idea what happened.  You're making a fool of yourself.  Best to move on.

It looks like not many people do. But I do know that the door that the killer gained entry through was opened in violation of safety protocols. This is not disputed. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,001]

33 minutes ago, Reality said:

Nobody could possibly answer that, it's an absurd question. 2 doors were unlocked, that's assuming everything we're being told is the truth, I have my doubts. The people in charge have bungled this situation at every turn. We may not ever know what actually happened. I do know policies like locked doors are in place for a reason, to help prevent situations exactly like this.

 

The longer the killer was outside the better. Locked doors slow people down. Even the keystone cops down there would have had a better chance of taking him out if he were outside a little longer. 

[MDC 7,171]

HT will be blaming the union construction worker who installed the door by Friday.  

[Cruzer 1,995]

10 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

If you are correct, why do people put locks on doors in the first place? 

For general protection - a safeguard against prowlers, burglars, thieves looking for a quick and easy score. For that, locks serve a great purpose. 
 

But this kid was no prowler. He was armed to the 9s with 2 ARs, hundreds of rounds and a tactical vest. No door lock was keeping him out. Nor would it protect you from him if he came loaded down like that to your house and your door lock. 

10 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The classrooms that were locked had zero casualties. The killer went around until he found one open. If every door was locked there would have been less casualties. He would have been on the hunt, and then it would not have been a hostage situation, but a live shooter one. There are different approaches to those two situations.  Not saying I agree with that, in a school.  The playbook should have been thrown out. Adjust and adapt. Didn’t happen. 

It is being made to sound like the shooter would have just turned around and gone home if the back door was locked - that’s ludicrous. This kid was getting in that school one way or the other. Far as locked doors inside the school, good chance more kids are alive today if all doors were locked - but there’d still be bodies everywhere bcoz he was getting in a classroom one way or the other. 
 

But as long as we’re playing the ‘more kids alive if the doors were locked’ game - how about more kids alive if an 18-year old doesn’t have legal access to assault rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammo, more kids alive if armed officers aren’t standing around outside arguing with parents while their kids are being slaughtered inside, how about more kids alive if this gov. doesn’t pull $230m from the state budget for mental health treatment…Lock doors need to be part of the discussion, but they’re down my list of things/people to blame for this. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,001]

6 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

For general protection - a safeguard against prowlers, burglars, thieves looking for a quick and easy score. For that, locks serve a great purpose. 
 

But this kid was no prowler. He was armed to the 9s with 2 ARs, hundreds of rounds and a tactical vest. No door lock was keeping him out. Nor would it protect you from him if he came loaded down like that to your house and your door lock. 

It is being made to sound like the shooter would have just turned around and gone home if the back door was locked - that’s ludicrous. This kid was getting on that school one way or the other. Far as locked doors inside the school, good chance more kids are alive today if all doors were locked - but there’d still be bodies everywhere bcoz he was getting in a classroom one way or the other. 
 

But as long as we’re playing the ‘more kids alive if the doors were locked’ game - how about more kids alive if an 18-year old doesn’t have legal access to assault rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammo, more kids alive if armed officers aren’t standing around outside arguing with parents while their kids are being slaughtered inside, how about more kids alive if this gov. doesn’t pull $230m from the state budget for mental health treatment…Lock doors need to be part of the discussion, but they’re down my list of things/people to blame for this. 

I’m not opposed to 18 year olds having nothing more than a hunting rifle. I’m more concerned with  the lack of mental health institutions and the judges that won’t use that option.  Yeah, the kid was determined to get in there. But the longer it took the better. Locked doors delay. Maybe not deny, but they do delay.  

[Mike Honcho 5,148]

Have you guys spent the day arguing about the door and the rock?  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,001]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

Have you guys spent the day arguing about the door and the rock?  

Sigh.  Yes. 

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

3 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

When you have nothing to add, just gang up on someone.

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Really? She either knew the door didn’t work and didn’t prop it open or she did prop it open. Got another scenario Einstein? 

It is baffling that you are choosing to ignore all the stories being posted.

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

Have you guys spent the day arguing about the door and the rock?  

HT has decided this is the hill he was fated to die on. 

[wiffleball 4,788]

You know, I think we could learn a lot from the israelis. Rocks are bad. mkay?

 

#rockcontrol

[wiffleball 4,788]

You know Dave Chappelle does this a lot better. And I'll try to find the link in a minute. Maybe. But here's the thing. After 25 years of school shootings, the problem is this. All the f****** shooters have been through the same school shooting training as all the victims. So they know exactly how the victims are going to respond. Because maybe a week before? They were part of the training for an active shooter drill at genderflex elementary school.

 

At this point, it's like giving the Japanese a helicopter lesson over Pearl harbor.

[wiffleball 4,788]

I tried to find it. I think it's here, but that dude looks a whole lot like Clayton bigsby.

 

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/saturday-night-live-dave-chappelle-election-monologue-1234825387/

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,001]

23 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

When you have nothing to add, just gang up on someone.

It is baffling that you are choosing to ignore all the stories being posted.

HT has decided this is the hill he was fated to die on. 

As you decide to suspend common sense and go for the least plausible scenario. 

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

56 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

As you decide to suspend common sense and go for the least plausible scenario. 

Keep ignoring the reports of the police AND video footage.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,001]

8 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Keep ignoring the reports of the police AND video footage.

Video footage of her going in and out of a door she shouldn’t have been using? Oh, I believe that footage to be true. Now the question is when did she know it didn’t work? Or when did anyone else? Because if she thought it worked, she would have propped  it open. How else would she get back in? If she knew it didn’t work , and others also knew, then that’s a whole new aspect. So which is it? Also, I’ll be holding off on believing what those cops have to say for the time being. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

4 hours ago, Reality said:

Nobody could possibly answer that, it's an absurd question. 2 doors were unlocked, that's assuming everything we're being told is the truth, I have my doubts. The people in charge have bungled this situation at every turn. We may not ever know what actually happened. I do know policies like locked doors are in place for a reason, to help prevent situations exactly like this.

 

It's amazing you even have to type things like that.