Nothing on the Texas School shooting?

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So, we’re back to square one. The teacher propped the door open with a rock, I’m sure it was the first time, heard the shooting, ran back in and didn’t secure the door. Why did they prop it open with a rock in the first place? Where were they going? It was locked before the teacher did that. Good job. 

The door was pulled shut behind her according to security footage.

Propping it open with a rock does not disengage the lock. When it was pulled shut it should have locked again.

Why are you so averse to just saying- the cops dropped the ball here and leave it at that? 

[Fireballer 2,639]

58 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

True or false.   Was the gun that was used in the Uvalde shooting more capable of killing people faster than a handgun?  (Yes I know in this specific instance it may not have made a difference - although it may have made a difference with why the police were afraid to confront him in the room).

Are you talking about sheer ability to rapidly fire rounds?

[TimHauck 2,633]

3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Are you talking about sheer ability to rapidly fire rounds?

Sure

[Hardcore troubadour 14,996]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The door was pulled shut behind her according to security footage.

Propping it open with a rock does not disengage the lock. When it was pulled shut it should have locked again.

Why are you so averse to just saying- the cops dropped the ball here and leave it at that? 

I already said they did. Read for once, jerkoff. Why are you so adverse to saying the staff focked up too? Both can be true. And both are true. 

[TimHauck 2,633]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So, we’re back to square one. The teacher propped the door open with a rock, I’m sure it was the first time, heard the shooting, ran back in and didn’t secure the door. Why did they prop it open with a rock in the first place? Where were they going? It was locked before the teacher did that. Good job. 

The teacher closed the door which was supposed to secure itself.  I guess your claim is that the rock being there previously broke it?  Sounds like the real enemy is the door manufacturer.

[Voltaire 5,207]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The door was pulled shut behind her according to security footage.

Propping it open with a rock does not disengage the lock. When it was pulled shut it should have locked again.

Why are you so averse to just saying- the cops dropped the ball here and leave it at that? 

Two things can be true at the same time. Yes everyone knows now that the cops focked up.

As for the teacher, considering that the fockhead used the teacher's door to get in the school, that clearly means that while she closed the door, she didn't lock it.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,996]

The door didn’t lock. It’s the doors fault.  Did the door prop itself open with a rock too? 

[listen2me 23 1,831]

17 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

In typical toxic male fashion, blame the woman.  How about just stop being an ass hole and treat women with respect?

I understand that you don't get it, maybe some day you will.  It starts when boys are young, kid falls down, starts crying, male adult "stop crying, stop being a puzzy", kid gets yelled at for getting hurt.  Then on the playground, some bullying, "Oh he called you a jerk, you gonna take that", now the kid needs to display violence to prove himself.  You think this sh!t is normal, it's not.

And of course, the only ones doing this are black people rapping.

You're probably young, there might be hope for you some day.

Not blaming the women.  Maybe they like it?  Many instances they hitch their wagon to it.  Supply and Demand.  Didn't you learn anything from the libs in the gas prices threads?

You tell the kid to get up you are fine because many times when they fall they are perfectly fine but cry.  You teach them to cry on instinct with every obstacle and life will be a harsh wake up call when you are not there to wipe their crocodile tears.  

Looks like we just don't agree.  

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I already said they did. Read for once, jerkoff. Why are you so adverse to saying the staff focked up too? Both can be true. And both are true. 

If the door was shut and it didn't relock that isn't on the teacher. That is on whomever is supposed to lock those doors. Those doors don't normally lock from the inside due to fire regulations dumbass. 

[TimHauck 2,633]

Just now, Voltaire said:

Two things can be true at the same time. Yes teh cops focked up.

Considering that the fockhead used the teacher's door to get in the school, that clearly means that while she closed the door, she didn't lock it.

It was supposed to lock automatically

[Hardcore troubadour 14,996]

Whey did the teacher go outside ? Is that what they were taught? I seem to recall sheltering in place until the all clear is called by authorities being the protocol. 

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

Just now, Voltaire said:

Two things can be true at the same time. Yes teh cops focked up.

Considering that the fockhead used the teacher's door to get in the school, that clearly means that while she closed the door, she didn't lock it.

Those doors lock from the outside. The teacher propped it open because either she was carrying a bunch of stuff into the school and didn't want to fight with the lock or did not have a key to that particular door but it was closest to her car to gain access.

The rock just keeps it unlocked for easy entrance. Once the rock is removed and the door shuts it should still be locked. 

[listen2me 23 1,831]

29 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

 

And of course, the only ones doing this are black people rapping.

 

Didn't say that.  But is rap not a prime example of all these things you have mentioned about this subject? They have glorified violence and womanizing.  That was the big theme for years.  

Why do you make it into a black thing? The most popular rapper of all time is white.  Many of his lyrics are themed in violence and womanizing.  

[KSB2424 3,148]

These stories seem to change daily, I can’t keep up.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,996]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

If the door was shut and it didn't relock that isn't on the teacher. That is on whomever is supposed to lock those doors. Those doors don't normally lock from the inside due to fire regulations dumbass. 

Why is did the teacher go outside? If the lock wasn’t working they why did it need to be propped open? Wow, what a series of unfortunate events. Just when a shooter arrives the door all of a sudden stopped working. I guess we will be seeing a lawsuit brought forth against the door company and whoever installed it. We have found the culprit. 

[Mike Honcho 5,146]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Whey did the teacher go outside ? Is that what they were taught? I seem to recall sheltering in place until the all clear is called by authorities being the protocol. 

Probably heard the car crash and went to see about rendering aid, seeing if an ambulance was needed...just a guess.  

ETA:  See Seans answer below.  

 

[MDC 7,170]

Just now, KSB2424 said:

These stories seem to change daily, I can’t keep up.  

Your buddies will be blaming the door manufacturer by Thursday. 

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Whey did the teacher go outside ? Is that what they were taught? I seem to recall sheltering in place until the all clear is called by authorities being the protocol. 

Talk about not reading.

The teacher was bringing food into the school. Maybe a snack for her kids. Maybe something for a teacher lunch after school (it was the 2nd to last day). She propped the door open to bring that food into the building. She heard the wreck at the funeral home as she was going in. Grabbed her phone, walked back outside and heard someone yell "He has a gun" and heard shots. She then went back in the building and shut the door behind her kicking out the rock. This is also shown on surveillance video. There is also an additional report that another door in the building had a non functioning locking mechanism. 

And a "shelter in place" call is not instantaneous. 

[Mike Honcho 5,146]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why is did the teacher go outside? If the lock wasn’t working they why did it need to be propped open? Wow, what a series of unfortunate events. Just when a shooter arrives the door all of a sudden stopped working. I guess we will be seeing a lawsuit brought forth against the door company and whoever installed it. We have found the culprit. 

 

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Your buddies will be blaming the door manufacturer by Thursday. 

You are too slow...

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why is did the teacher go outside? If the lock wasn’t working they why did it need to be propped open? Wow, what a series of unfortunate events. Just when a shooter arrives the door all of a sudden stopped working. I guess we will be seeing a lawsuit brought forth against the door company and whoever installed it. We have found the culprit. 

You are so dense. She was at one door- there was an additional door that also had a lock that didn't work. The shooter probably ran to the building trying doors and happened to find that one and not the other one.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,996]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Those doors lock from the outside. The teacher propped it open because either she was carrying a bunch of stuff into the school and didn't want to fight with the lock or did not have a key to that particular door but it was closest to her car to gain access.

The rock just keeps it unlocked for easy entrance. Once the rock is removed and the door shuts it should still be locked. 

Well, there’s a reason you don’t prop the door open. Unless you have to carry stuff, of course. Then it’s ok. GTFO. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

 

34 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

And of course, the only ones doing this are black people rapping.

 

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Didn't say that. 

 

41 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

The only real teachers of this are rap music...

 

 

 

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

 But is rap not a prime example of all these things you have mentioned about this subject? They have glorified violence and womanizing.  That was the big theme for years.  

Why do you make it into a black thing? The most popular rapper of all time is white.  Many of his lyrics are themed in violence and womanizing.  

 

I already agreed with you that rap music promotes toxic masculinity, it's one of the many sources.

And don't sit there with a straight face and try and act like rap music is not predominantly black.  Just stop it.

 

 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, there’s a reason you don’t prop the door open. Unless you have to carry stuff, of course. 

She did not have the door propped open anymore. 

Read FFS

[Fireballer 2,639]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Sure

Both semi auto handguns and an AR15( or any other semi auto rifle) will shoot rounds just as rapidly as the shooter can repeatedly press the trigger.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,996]

I thought the teacher was going to get a cell phone? What a bunch of obvious bullshit.  The teacher didn’t secure the door. Was running back in in fear most likely, and that’s understandable. Point being the teacher should have gone out and came back in via the main entrance. Not prop open a door because her car was closer to that door. 

[MDC 7,170]

5 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

You are too slow...

Nailed it.  

[listen2me 23 1,831]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I already agreed with you that rap music promotes toxic masculinity, it's one of the many sources.

And don't sit there with a straight face and try and act like rap music is not predominantly black.  Just stop it.

 

 

 

It is predominantly black.  So what? Why bring up black people like I am accusing black people?  The themes that are popular in rap music speak exactly to the situations you call toxic masculinity.  Why are you trying to do the gotcha racist angle on that when I qm talking about a genre of music? I dont get it.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,996]

And what about the teacher who left her classroom door open? Where the carnage took place? That door malfunctioned too? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,996]

8 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

You are too slow...

You hicks don’t get sarcasm. 

[Voltaire 5,207]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It was supposed to lock automatically

In the Army, we had to learn how to fire RPGs, which is a type of shoulder mounted rocket. When you're ready to fire one, you have to flip a tab that causes the cover of the the back blast to open up. Well sometimes the spring release on the tab doesn't open properly, which is what happened to me... never on the practice RPG, it popped right off everytime, but the one they used to test us. It was old, there was no spring release, I pulled the tab and the cover just stayed there becuase it was a piece of sh*t that got reused over and over a bajillion times for training.

If I didn't manually remove the cover, not a step we were taught because it should have come off by itself, even the dummy round might have wrecked my month or worse. Morale of the story, if what's supposed to happen doesn't happen, and you know that and do nothing, you may get your ass blown up.

[Mike Honcho 5,146]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

You hicks don’t get sarcasm. 

No, I got the sarcasm(you laid it on pretty thick), I was just amused by the timing of the two posts.  

Carry on...

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

It is predominantly black.  So what? Why bring up black people like I am accusing black people?  The themes that are popular in rap music speak exactly to the situations you call toxic masculinity.  Why are you trying to do the gotcha racist angle on that when I qm talking about a genre of music? I dont get it.  

I already agreed with you, multiple times, on the rap music.  How many times are you gonna make a point that I agreed with?

It's clear based on your posting history that you don't hold blacks in high regard, we'll just say that.

[MDC 7,170]

The Sandy Hook shooter shot his way through a window next to the security door. This Uvalde fella planned hid shooting for 2 years but never quite got passed the locked door issue. People really are much dumber in Texas.

 

[listen2me 23 1,831]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

I already agreed with you, multiple times, on the rap music.  How many times are you gonna make a point that I agreed with?

It's clear based on your posting history that you don't hold blacks in high regard, we'll just say that.

Did I mention rap twice before you went off the rails?  Why are you so defensive?  

What posting history? Link?

What on earth are you babbling about?

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

3 hours ago, Fireballer said:

You're so clever.  Unbelievable.  You called me out on playing your own stupid "show me" game.  Shall we continue? Show me where I said all school shooters are left leaning.  You can't because you drew stupid conclusions while thinking you're some robust dynamic thinker.  Stay in the classroom, teach.  The real world is eating you up.  Can a get a grammar check?

It's what the Left does.  They take an argument that they can't refute and make it seem like you're argument is something else... then debate that.

[Fireballer 2,639]

30 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Why are you so averse to just saying- the cops dropped the ball here and leave it at that? 

 

On 5/22/2022 at 9:09 AM, Sean Mooney said:

Here's the difference- I don't say anything about the military. I don't really say anything about the inner workings of being a cop. As stupid as I think Fireballer is I never criticize the intricacies of being a firefighter.

It's a level of respect for the profession. if you want to criticize the dumb teacher who goes on TikTok and says some stupid thing about what they feel they need to talk about with kids- fine, but to say "This is all teachers" or run around here name calling like the one idiot does is too far. 

You made it just over a week without contradicting yourself.  Great.  But let me guess...your annual  "hide under the desk" training malkes you an SME?  

Or, maybe lay people, like yourself, should openly criticize errors in any profession when they are obvious?  Makes sense to me.  Well, except the teachers.  Non teachers need to "respect the profession".  

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

It's what the Left does.  They take an argument that they can't refute and make it seem like you're argument is something else... then debate that.

This is what the right does-

Make a comment that is clearly implying an argument but never outright say it. Then get called on it. Try to backtrack. Then their friends gang up because they love pack wars. 

[listen2me 23 1,831]

The only thing Gutter taught me today is if your child falls over and starts crying you never say get up you are good.  Because that right there will breed toxic masculinity.  Instead you bribe them with ice cream to stop crying.  You promise that if extremely opposite of masculine dad is around life will never be hard and ice cream will be waiting if it does get tough.

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

 

You made it just over a week without contradicting yourself.  Great.  But let me guess...your annual  "hide under the desk" training malkes you an SME?  

Or, maybe lay people, like yourself, should openly criticize errors in any profession when they are obvious?  Makes sense to me.  Well, except the teachers.  Non teachers need to "respect the profession".  

"I don't really say anything about the inner workings of being a cop" is not the same as "I never say anything about being a cop."

And in this instance I do think the reality of the situation becoming clearer and the different stories the cops keep trying to put out makes it fair game to say "they dropped the ball here." And I've outright said the people posting nonsense on TikTok as teachers should be vilified. I've also said- they are not representative of teachers as a whole. Likewise not all cops are bad at their job because these cops were. 

Good try again- you fail again. 

[Horseman 2,398]

42 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why are you so adverse to saying the staff focked up too? 

It's in the low IQ primary teacher code handbook.  Protect your fellow idiots.