Nothing on the Texas School shooting?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

24 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It's so strange how you're clinging to this propped open door.  Everything has shown that it had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting.

I think it did. He chose the secondary door for a reason. Crazy, right? 

[TimHauck 2,634]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No. He went that way because he knew. 

He knew the door was broken?   It wasn’t propped open

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

He knew the door was broken?   It wasn’t propped open

I think He knew there was a good chance it was propped open. And it was before it was shut. I know what I’m saying is outlandish and tin foil stuff, right? 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He knew there was a good chance it was propped open. And it was before it was shut. I know what I’m saying is outlandish and tin foil stuff, right? 

Sounds like speculation on your part.

[TimHauck 2,634]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I think He knew there was a good chance it was propped open. And it was before it was shut. I know what I’m saying is outlandish and tin foil stuff, right? 

It wasn’t propped open 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It wasn’t propped open 

Yes it was. That’s been established. 

[TimHauck 2,634]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes it was. That’s been established. 

Not when the shooter got in

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes it was. That’s been established. 

I think the disconnect here is that you are focused on the door being propped open at some point before the shooting and everyone is focused on the fact that it was not propped open at the time the shooter entered the building.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Not when the shooter got in

You’re having difficulty following along. He thought that it could be, because he knew it had been.  It happens a lot in schools. That’s why people are told not to do it. Because people do it. 

[MDC 7,171]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think the disconnect here is that you are focused on the door being propped open at some point before the shooting and everyone is focused on the fact that it was not propped open at the time the shooter entered the building.

Hack Republicans  just want to talk about anything but the widespread availability of guns in this country. And HT just wants attention.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

You’re having difficulty following along. He thought that it could be, because he knew it had been.  It happens a lot in schools. That’s why people are told not to do it. Because people do it. 

Speculation

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think the disconnect here is that you are focused on the door being propped open at some point before the shooting and everyone is focused on the fact that it was not propped open at the time the shooter entered the building.

You are correct sir. I’m saying the past practice of propping open doors led the shooter to go to the secondary doors. It’s my theory. It’s not infallible, but it is plausible. Very plausible. Likely. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, MDC said:

Hack Republicans  just want to talk about anything but the widespread availability of guns in this country. And HT just wants attention.

I'm not a hack republican but I side with them when it comes to firearms.  There are widespread guns all over the world but we have a major crisis with the mental health of our people in the US.

[Mike Honcho 5,146]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You’re having difficulty following along. He thought that it could be, because he knew it had been.  It happens a lot in schools. That’s why people are told not to do it. Because people do it. 

This is a reach, hadn't it been propped open for a bit cause a teacher went out to get some treats from her car. Was he also anticipating that too?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

This is a reach, hadn't it been propped open for a bit cause a teacher went out to get some treats from her car. Was he also anticipating that too?

Doors get propped open all the time. It’s obvious at this school people did it. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

5 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

This is a reach, hadn't it been propped open for a bit cause a teacher went out to get some treats from her car. Was he also anticipating that too?

Yep.  She was getting food from her car so she propped open the door with a rock since they lock from the outside.  She heard the report of a shooter on campus and then she saw the shooter with a gun.  She called 911 and went back into the school and closed the door behind her.  The door is suppose to automatically lock and she has no way of knowing if it's locked or not from the inside of the building.  Everything checks out as being pretty normal behavior from the teacher and had nothing to do with the shooter getting into the building.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Yep.  She was getting food from her car so she propped open the door with a rock since they lock from the outside.  She heard the report of a shooter on campus and then she saw the shooter with a gun.  She called 911 and went back into the school and closed the door behind her.  The door is suppose to automatically lock and she has no way of knowing if it's locked or not from the inside of the building.  Everything checks out as being pretty normal behavior from the teacher and had nothing to do with the shooter getting into the building.

Then why didn’t he go in the front? Why did he think he could get in the other door? He did plan this. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Then why didn’t he go in the front? Why did he think he could get in the other door? He did plan this. 

Why does it matter?  The door was shut.  I'm sure other teachers prop their door open as well when they are bringing things into their room.  They're not going to get their key out and unlock the door every trip.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why does it matter?  The door was shut.  I'm sure other teachers prop their door open as well when they are bringing things into their room.  They're not going to get their key out and unlock the door every trip.

Well, if a burglar is looking to break into your house and he knows that you always lock the front door but sometimes leave the back door open he’s likely to try the back door.  Crazy, right? 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, if a burglar is looking to break into your house and he knows that you always lock the front door but sometimes leave the back door open he’s likely to try the back door.  Crazy, right? 

In this case the door wasn't propped open for him.  Your theory is not great.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

In this case the door wasn't propped open for him.  Your theory is not great.

I think he wouldn’t have gone that route if he didn’t think there was a decent chance he could get in. 

[TimHauck 2,634]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Then why didn’t he go in the front? Why did he think he could get in the other door? He did plan this. 

Did he plan to crash his car too?

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I think he wouldn’t have gone that route if he didn’t think there was a decent chance he could get in. 

Your theory is that this teacher was the only one who would ever prop open her door when bringing things into her classroom?  This would be a very important part to your theory.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Your theory is that this teacher was the only one who would ever prop open her door when bringing things into her classroom?  This would be a very important part to your theory.

Could have been anyone I guess. Not the important part. The important part is propping open doors needs to stop. I think it payed a role in this shooting.  But it was nothing some competent policing could have stoped or at least led to a better outcome. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Did he plan to crash his car too?

What did he crash into? 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Could have been anyone I guess. Not the important part. The important part is propping open doors needs to stop. I think it payed a role in this shooting.  But it was nothing some competent policing could have stoped or at least led to a better outcome. 

It's far down the list of important things that shouldn't prevented the shooting.  Not even sure why it gets talked about.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It's far down the list of important things that shouldn't prevented the shooting.  Not even sure why it gets talked about.

Well, we should learn from our mistakes , and hopefully this is finally the one that makes people entrusted with keeping our kids safe adhere to simple security measures. Don’t prop open doors and lock your classroom.  Easy enough. And cops need to act fast. A mistake while taking action is understandable, acceptable even. Not taking action isn’t. 

[Reality 3,118]

30 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, we should learn from our mistakes , and hopefully this is finally the one that makes people entrusted with keeping our kids safe adhere to simple security measures. Don’t prop open doors and lock your classroom.  Easy enough. And cops need to act fast. A mistake while taking action is understandable, acceptable even. Not taking action isn’t. 

You're obviously correct to anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together, locking the doors is policy for a reason. All aspects of the shooting need to be investigated and learned from. I have no idea why people would have an issue with that.

Simply making it tougher for the shooter to enter the building could have given law enforcement the extra time to get to the scene. Of course law enforcement was a whole other issue entirely but, it's really stupid to say locking the doors isn't important, or, it's far down some list of importance. It's literally the first line of defense...

I don't know how we've gotten here. Blows me away but, common sense is no longer common, apparently.

[Voltaire 5,207]

 

Nearly a month after the rampage, Col. Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, further amended what his agency’s investigation shows: The teacher did close the door, but unbeknownst to her, it could be locked only from the outside.

The gunman “walked straight through,” McCraw said Tuesday in blistering testimony at a state Senate hearing in Austin.

Ronald Stephens, executive director of the National School Safety Center, said he was “astonished” that the exterior door could only be locked from the outside. He likened it to a house that could only be locked from the outside.

“Shouldn’t the security of the school be as safe as the security of your home?” he asked.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-shootings-texas-school-safety-2c97d26b56e8b081aa725ee2235e4a3b

That's just some insanity that boggles the mind. Who in the fock designs schools like this. Granted, I say that living in a Chinese apartment with all the window installed inside out, I just expect better in the US.

Meanwhile, Uvalde's classroom doors only locked from the outside. The thinking with schools built in 1955 was you lock up when you go home for the day. Also they didn't want little sh*tbags to get their jollies by locking fellow students or the teacher out of the classroom. So there was no way to lock the door from the inside, the killer could just walk in the classroom... but once he was in there, there was no way for him to lock the door to keep the cops out. He needed a cowardly police reaction to do that to themselves.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

16 minutes ago, Reality said:

You're obviously correct to anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together, locking the doors is policy for a reason. All aspects of the shooting need to be investigated and learned from. I have no idea why people would have an issue with that.

Simply making it tougher for the shooter to enter the building could have given law enforcement the extra time to get to the scene. Of course law enforcement was a whole other issue entirely but, it's really stupid to say locking the doors isn't important, or, it's far down some list of importance. It's literally the first line of defense...

I don't know how we've gotten here. Blows me away but, common sense is no longer common, apparently.

I think you're confused at what happened.  The problem isn't that she had the door propped open or that she didn't lock the door.  The door is suppose to lock on it's own.  It was a door lock malfunction. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

Then why was the door ever propped open, at any time?   Because it would lock behind you. You can’t get back in. Don’t prop open doors. Anyone arguing that at this point has HTDS and is a moron. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

And as Volty has pointed out, which I didn’t know, the fact that the classroom door wasn’t and couldn’t be locked from the inside means the cops were waiting around for a key to an unlocked door. Holy Fock. It just gets worse and worse. I had read the other classroom doors were locked. Cowardice is bad enough. Throw in utter incompetence and this is what you get. Some of these guys were school cops and they didn’t know how the locks worked. Your average patrolman not knowing is one thing.  But the school is their beat. I’m betting these guys spent a lot of time in the office.  Patronage job. 

[MDC 7,171]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not a hack republican but I side with them when it comes to firearms.  There are widespread guns all over the world but we have a major crisis with the mental health of our people in the US.

I think it’s both: We have a poor mental health system for sure and also have much more lax firearms laws than other developed nations. I don’t see many politicians calling for a huge investment in mental healthcare.

I wasn’t calling you a Republican hack fwiw.

[Reality 3,118]

35 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think you're confused at what happened.  The problem isn't that she had the door propped open or that she didn't lock the door.  The door is suppose to lock on it's own.  It was a door lock malfunction. 

Not confused at all, investigate the issue and fix it.

[Reality 3,118]

44 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

 

Nearly a month after the rampage, Col. Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, further amended what his agency’s investigation shows: The teacher did close the door, but unbeknownst to her, it could be locked only from the outside.

The gunman “walked straight through,” McCraw said Tuesday in blistering testimony at a state Senate hearing in Austin.

Ronald Stephens, executive director of the National School Safety Center, said he was “astonished” that the exterior door could only be locked from the outside. He likened it to a house that could only be locked from the outside.

“Shouldn’t the security of the school be as safe as the security of your home?” he asked.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-shootings-texas-school-safety-2c97d26b56e8b081aa725ee2235e4a3b

That's just some insanity that boggles the mind. Who in the fock designs schools like this. Granted, I say that living in a Chinese apartment with all the window installed inside out, I just expect better in the US.

Meanwhile, Uvalde's classroom doors only locked from the outside. The thinking with schools built in 1955 was you lock up when you go home for the day. Also they didn't want little sh*tbags to get their jollies by locking fellow students or the teacher out of the classroom. So there was no way to lock the door from the inside, the killer could just walk in the classroom... but once he was in there, there was no way for him to lock the door to keep the cops out. He needed a cowardly police reaction to do that to themselves.

What. The. Actual. Fock.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

27 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And as Volty has pointed out, which I didn’t know, the fact that the classroom door wasn’t and couldn’t be locked from the inside

I've told you this already.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

11 minutes ago, Reality said:

Not confused at all, investigate the issue and fix it.

The door being propped open had no effect of what happened though, yet it keeps being brought up.

[TimHauck 2,634]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, we should learn from our mistakes , and hopefully this is finally the one that makes people entrusted with keeping our kids safe adhere to simple security measures. Don’t prop open doors and lock your classroom.  Easy enough. And cops need to act fast. A mistake while taking action is understandable, acceptable even. Not taking action isn’t. 

So do you still think it’s the teacher’s fault the door didn’t lock?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,998]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So do you still think it’s the teacher’s fault the door didn’t lock?

I think no one should prop open doors. Do you? This teacher did like I’m sure many others had. You think this was a one off? 

[Sean Mooney 1,950]

On 7/15/2022 at 8:42 AM, TimHauck said:

So your new claim is the door broke because it was “often” propped open?

He is not smart. You are wasting your own brain matter discussing this with him. 

On 7/15/2022 at 9:23 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

I think He knew there was a good chance it was propped open. And it was before it was shut. I know what I’m saying is outlandish and tin foil stuff, right? 

And stupid to boot. 

On 7/15/2022 at 9:33 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes it was. That’s been established. 

It is so bizarre this is the hill you are going to die on. 

22 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Then why was the door ever propped open, at any time?   Because it would lock behind you. You can’t get back in. Don’t prop open doors. Anyone arguing that at this point has HTDS and is a moron. 

You are a babbling moron.