Nothing on the Texas School shooting?

[Voltaire 5,317]

21 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I think no one should prop open doors. Do you? This teacher did like I’m sure many others had. You think this was a one off? 

When I was in kindergarten, the teacher always (as in 100% of the time) put a rock in the doorjam to keep the door propped open during recess.

[MDC 7,490]

12 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

When I was in kindergarten, the teacher always (as in 100% of the time) put a rock in the doorjam to keep the door propped open during recess.

It’s amazing you weren’t murdered. 

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

30 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

When I was in kindergarten, the teacher always (as in 100% of the time) put a rock in the doorjam to keep the door propped open during recess.

I would say in grade school through high school pretty much every door was left unlocked all day long, no need to prop open anything.

[TimHauck 2,906]

On 7/15/2022 at 12:05 PM, Reality said:

Not confused at all, investigate the issue and fix it.

Well HT wasn’t “obviously correct,” genius

[Cloaca du jour 2,151]

My town has bolo sticks in the classrooms  Pegs that keep the door shut.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Well HT wasn’t “obviously correct,” genius

No too someone like you that doesn’t care that kids got killed. Your politics are sickening. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 hours ago, MDC said:

It’s amazing you weren’t murdered. 

It's amazing the rock didn't activate its hands and fingers to unlock the door itself. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

It’s even more amazing that the lock didn’t work at that exact moment, but it was working before. That’s why it was propped open. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

29 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s even more amazing that the lock didn’t work at that exact moment, but it was working before. That’s why it was propped open. 

Didn’t Voltaire just establish that it may not have even been broken at all, but for some godforesaken reason you actually had to physically lock it from the outside?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Didn’t Voltaire just establish that it may not have even been broken at all, but for some godforesaken reason you actually had to physically lock it from the outside?

No. Stop covering for mistakes because of your leftist politics.  This is about safety. Don’t prop open doors. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

37 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s even more amazing that the lock didn’t work at that exact moment, but it was working before. That’s why it was propped open. 

It's amazing you can function in life with how little brain you have

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

It's amazing you can function in life with how little brain you have

That would make me qualified to be a guidance counselor.  The jokes of the education field. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No. Stop covering for mistakes because of your leftist politics.  This is about safety. Don’t prop open doors. 

You might want to re-read Voltaire’s post again…

[Reality 3,121]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That would make me qualified to be a guidance counselor.  The jokes of the education field. 

Impressed that dude still posts here after how bad he looked in the Biden Ron Burgundy thread. Simply void of self awareness. Pure cringe.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

4 minutes ago, Reality said:

Impressed that dude still posts here after how bad he looked in the Biden Ron Burgundy thread. Simply void of self awareness. Pure cringe.

And yet his ego remains elevated. For some reason. 

[Reality 3,121]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And yet his ego remains elevated. For some reason. 

Dunning-Kruger 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That would make me qualified to be a guidance counselor.  The jokes of the education field. 

Get new material. This schtick is played out.

16 minutes ago, Reality said:

Impressed that dude still posts here after how bad he looked in the Biden Ron Burgundy thread. Simply void of self awareness. Pure cringe.

Still have yet to see you debunk anything I said. Again- I just outlined the whole scenario after someone asked "That real"? You want to keep picking up with the dope patrol is fine by me. I got no problem knocking you back into mental reality.

6 minutes ago, Reality said:

Dunning-Kruger 

I take no joy being smarter than the gaggle of idiots that make up the right wing think tank here. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

56 minutes ago, Reality said:

Dunning-Kruger 

Textbook. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Textbook. 

What are "things HT has never opened"?

[vomit 502]

4 hours ago, Reality said:

Impressed that dude still posts here after how bad he looked in the Biden Ron Burgundy thread. Simply void of self awareness. Pure cringe.

Just like HT in the Disney thread

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

5 minutes ago, vomit said:

Just like HT in the Disney thread

Or Reality when he got his own words thrown back at him and he had to sputter and move goalposts to make it work.

It's still amusing his name on here is something he is clearly divorced from. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

Guidance counselors are considered such a joke that they often tell people they are teachers out of shame. Like Mooney did. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

12 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Guidance counselors are considered such a joke that they often tell people they are teachers out of shame. Like Mooney did. 

So you want to bring up the time you tried to play "gotcha" with me and I hit you with the guidance counselor thing?

Yeah what a joke I am being qualified to hold multiple jobs. 

And saving taxpayers some money for a year. What a jerk huh!?

[Baker Boy 1,703]

 

Uvalde shooting report finds 'culture of noncompliance' among staff, 'tacitly condoned' by administrators

The Texas House of Representatives report found Uvalde school administrators 'tacitly condoned' unsafe practices at Robb Elementary School

https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-shooting-report-finds-culture-noncompliance-staff-tacitly-condoned-administrators

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In the 77-page report released on Sunday, investigators said school administrators adopted a "regrettable culture of noncompliance" with safety and security measures leading up to the shooting on May 24 at Robb Elementary School which left 19 children and two adults dead. This noncompliance "turned out to be fatal," the report said.

They also "tacitly condoned" unsafe practices by knowingly violating or allowing others to violate rules that required doors to be closed and locked.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Here's some video of the events.  Crazy to see that many officers just standing around for that long.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/17/us/uvalde-school-shooting-video/index.html

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

“The school encouraged teachers and staff to leave doors unlocked or propped open to better assist teachers who forgot their keys” the report found.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

On 7/15/2022 at 11:20 AM, Voltaire said:

 

Nearly a month after the rampage, Col. Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, further amended what his agency’s investigation shows: The teacher did close the door, but unbeknownst to her, it could be locked only from the outside.

The gunman “walked straight through,” McCraw said Tuesday in blistering testimony at a state Senate hearing in Austin.

Ronald Stephens, executive director of the National School Safety Center, said he was “astonished” that the exterior door could only be locked from the outside. He likened it to a house that could only be locked from the outside.

“Shouldn’t the security of the school be as safe as the security of your home?” he asked.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-shootings-texas-school-safety-2c97d26b56e8b081aa725ee2235e4a3b

That's just some insanity that boggles the mind. Who in the fock designs schools like this. Granted, I say that living in a Chinese apartment with all the window installed inside out, I just expect better in the US.

Meanwhile, Uvalde's classroom doors only locked from the outside. The thinking with schools built in 1955 was you lock up when you go home for the day. Also they didn't want little sh*tbags to get their jollies by locking fellow students or the teacher out of the classroom. So there was no way to lock the door from the inside, the killer could just walk in the classroom... but once he was in there, there was no way for him to lock the door to keep the cops out. He needed a cowardly police reaction to do that to themselves.

This is contradicted in the report.  “Room 111  could be locked, but it required some extra effort to get the lock to engage”’ 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

On 6/28/2022 at 2:34 PM, MDC said:

Did they finally train everyone on properly locking and double checking the doors?

They should have. Instead they told them not to lock them.   

[edjr 6,608]

1 hour and 19 minutes of standing around doing nothing.

Every one of them should face a firing squad of the parents who lost their children. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

On 6/28/2022 at 2:36 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hope so. The teacher in the classroom that got wiped out didn’t do it. The locked classrooms were ok. 

Confirmed. 

[vomit 502]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

1 hour and 19 minutes of standing around doing nothing.

Every one of them should face a firing squad of the parents who lost their children. 

Despicable.  Cops are focking terrible.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

Strangely quiet in here today. 

[Voltaire 5,317]

12 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This is contradicted in the report.  “Room 111  could be locked, but it required some extra effort to get the lock to engage”’ 

Where in the report? More importantly, can the doors be locked from not just the outside, but the inside as well?

 

 

[BeenHereBefore 1,537]

31 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Where in the report? More importantly, can the doors be locked from not just the outside, but the inside as well?

 

 

Back in High School I lock my English teacher out from getting back in the room so I say yes if nothing changed.

[Voltaire 5,317]

It's really disappointing but also eye opening as we're learning so much about failures after failure occurring at seemingly every layer in this situation.

We've beaten up the police response pretty good. I want to talk about the doors.

Alright so everyone agrees that you need these fire escape doors. Gotcha. And the fire escape door next to the parking lot is always and forever going to be especially super-popular with the teachers. It's probably too much to ask/expect for the next eternity that all the teachers, in all the school, all across the country to spend four minutes there and four minutes back, going all the way around every time they forget something in their car. No, they are going to take the shortcut, prop the door open, and be back in the classroom in 45 seconds. 

But all these fire escape doors, has absolutely got to lock automatically from the inside and checked every day. The responsibility for that has to fall on the school admin staff and/or the custodians. Meanwhile the local police and fire department both will want this at the top of the list whenever they make their annual/semi-annual rounds.

Then these inside doors, the teachers and other staff have to be able to lock them from both outside and inside the classroom, but also designed in a way that prevents brats like little BeenHereBefore from locking them from the inside.

If schools don't have these doors with these locks that need replacing, I'd think the funding to do so would be an easy sell at the local, state, and local levels. It passes what Phil Gramm use to call his Dickey Flatt Test. "Am I willing to look Dickey Flatt in the eye and ask him to reach into his wallet, to cough up tax money to provide more secure doors for school?" Absolutely. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

20 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This is contradicted in the report.  “Room 111  could be locked, but it required some extra effort to get the lock to engage”’ 

Link to the actual report?  None of the articles I’ve read actually link it.

Also what are you saying is contradicted?  The definition of the lock being “busted”?  It still sounds like the classroom doors could only lock from the outside anyway, so it wouldn’t have mattered.

In other words, the teachers did nothing wrong here.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

22 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

 

Uvalde shooting report finds 'culture of noncompliance' among staff, 'tacitly condoned' by administrators

The Texas House of Representatives report found Uvalde school administrators 'tacitly condoned' unsafe practices at Robb Elementary School

https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-shooting-report-finds-culture-noncompliance-staff-tacitly-condoned-administrators

 

Yup.  The teachers did nothing wrong. GFY. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yup.  The teachers did nothing wrong. GFY. 

Still nothing in that disputes the BS narrative you've tried to spew here. 

[TimHauck 2,906]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yup.  The teachers did nothing wrong. GFY. 

None of that matters if the doors could only be locked from the outside, dummy 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,506]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Still nothing in that disputes the BS narrative you've tried to spew here. 

They doors were propped open? They were. Don’t prop open doors. Teachers need to listen.