Trump's residence raided by the FBI

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Espionage! What country? 

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(a)

Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over, or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad, arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or other place connected with the national defense owned or constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers, departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft, arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy, or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored, information as to which prohibited place the President has determined would be prejudicial to the national defense; or

(b)

Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like intent or reason to believe, copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain, any sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, document, writing, or note of anything connected with the national defense; or

(c)

Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, receives or obtains or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain from any person, or from any source whatever, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note, of anything connected with the national defense, knowing or having reason to believe, at the time he receives or obtains, or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain it, that it has been or will be obtained, taken, made, or disposed of by any person contrary to the provisions of this chapter; or

(d)

Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

(e)

Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

(f)

Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

Espionage! 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

Hardcore Stupidour's idea of what the Espionage Act covers.

 

[craftsman 1,045]

22 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

This is right out of the Clownzo playbook.

1.) Clownzo gish gallops up another diversionary falsehood to deflect attention onto something else.

2.) Clownzoids buy it hook, line and sinker.

3.) A news source they don't like because it doesn't tell them what they want to hear shows fact checks the claim and finds that it's baloney.

4.) Clownzoids dismiss the information because it came from a news source they don't like because it doesn't tell them what they want to hear.

 

Liberalism reigns in the world of Pimple. Just keep making crap up and running with CNN.

That should work.  

 

[avoiding injuries 1,595]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

They were so pissed that only weirdoes paid attention to the January 6th hearings...

To expand on this…in real life, if you heard someone talking about the 1/6 hearings what would your reaction be? “Weirdos” isn’t a bad descriptor, but I’d probably take it a little further to retarded. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

4 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Liberalism reigns in the world of Pimple. Just keep making crap up and running with CNN.

That should work.  

 

I posted a link to the National Archives news release and posted the news release.

Try debunking that, moron. 

CNN even put the news release on the screen.

But because CNN reported it, you'll just ignorantly assume it is false.

You're about as sharp as a bag of wet mice.

[craftsman 1,045]

6 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I posted a link to the National Archives news release and posted the news release.

Try debunking that, moron. 

CNN even put the news release on the screen.

But because CNN reported it, you'll just ignorantly assume it is false.

You're about as sharp as a bag of wet mice.

Nah. CNN is wrong is why I know it's false. They are the masters of leaving out facts. 

You keep going though, as you are on a Tourette's' roll. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

10 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Nah. CNN is wrong is why I know it's false. They are the masters of leaving out facts. 

You keep going though, as you are on a Tourette's' roll. 

Again, here is the National Archives news release. 

https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2022/nr22-001

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August 12, 2022, statement

The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of Obama Presidential records when President Barack Obama left office in 2017, in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA). NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA. Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration.

So you're wrong.

Pwned!

[wiffleball 4,790]

Jesus, Trump just f****** lies doesn't he? I mean this one has absolutely no basis in fact. But ill guarantee you there's 40 million mouth breathers with Red hats who swear to God he's telling the truth.

https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/fact-check-trump-claim-missing-obama-records-false/536-c6e7c1ef-d9f8-4f86-99b9-b5d426488801

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

3 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Jesus, Trump just f****** lies doesn't he? I mean this one has absolutely no basis in fact. But ill guarantee you there's 40 million mouth breathers with Red hats who swear to God he's telling the truth.

https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/fact-check-trump-claim-missing-obama-records-false/536-c6e7c1ef-d9f8-4f86-99b9-b5d426488801

That’s a good read Wiffleball.  Trump stepped in it with that one.  

[5-Points 3,567]

They have him now, for sure. There's no way he gets out of this one.  Dead to rights. He's going to prison for life.

Book it.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

28 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Jesus, Trump just f****** lies doesn't he? I mean this one has absolutely no basis in fact. But ill guarantee you there's 40 million mouth breathers with Red hats who swear to God he's telling the truth.

https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/government-verify/fact-check-trump-claim-missing-obama-records-false/536-c6e7c1ef-d9f8-4f86-99b9-b5d426488801

Yep, and case in point crapsman refusing to believe it's false just because CNN researched it.

Never mind that it was a focking National Archives news release. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

27 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s a good read Wiffleball.  Trump stepped in it with that one.  

Great to see you acknowledge this.

We all fall for fake news from time to time. Lord knows I did the other day.

[craftsman 1,045]

1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Again, here is the National Archives news release. 

https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2022/nr22-001

So you're wrong.

Pwned!

Good one. Too bad your left wing nutcases are lying.

But let's see what happens.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

17 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Good one. Too bad your left wing nutcases are lying.

But let's see what happens.

Can you at least acknowledge that this information came directly from National Archives?

Obama didn't take focking 30 million documents to Chicago.

This is just another insane claim to deflect you Clownzoids from knowing what a POS your hero is. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

I think Trump confused Obama with Hillary. Understandable mistake. Move along. 

[craftsman 1,045]

45 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Can you at least acknowledge that this information came directly from National Archives?

Obama didn't take focking 30 million documents to Chicago.

This is just another insane claim to deflect you Clownzoids from knowing what a POS your hero is. 

 

FBI is compromised. But the archives are not?? 

Was it the gay meek dude at the archives that disputed it, or the new liberal chick that is running the show there now? 

[wiffleball 4,790]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-bret-baier-shuts-down-trump-excuse-says-obama-documents-were-handled-properly?source=articles&via=rss

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The FBI is filled with democrats?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

3 minutes ago, vomit said:

The FBI is filled with democrats?

When it comes to Trump it isn’t R v D you idiot.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

1 hour ago, craftsman said:

FBI is compromised. But the archives are not?? 

Was it the gay meek dude at the archives that disputed it, or the new liberal chick that is running the show there now? 

Well the archives are compromised because Clownzo illegally hauled them off to an unsecured location and wouldn't give them back after being subpoenaed to do so. Game. Set. Match. Ignorant ballsack. Focking funny as hell. 

[craftsman 1,045]

14 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Well the archives are compromised 

Yep.

[wiffleball 4,790]

14 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Well the archives are compromised because Clownzo illegally hauled them off to an unsecured location and wouldn't give them back after being subpoenaed to do so. Game. Set. Match. Ignorant ballsack. Focking funny as hell. 

Funnier still, he's too stupid to know how to read them. Honest to god, I don't know whether he was using it for espionage purposes, or thinking he get a big bonus on his book deal or what. But it does make me damn nervous about all those meetings he had with Putin with literally nobody else in the room. Dude was so desperate to suck up to Putin and make an impact, I have no idea what he's capable of.

[craftsman 1,045]

33 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Funnier still, he's too stupid to know how to read them. Honest to god, I don't know whether he was using it for espionage purposes, or thinking he get a big bonus on his book deal or what. But it does make me damn nervous about all those meetings he had with Putin with literally nobody else in the room. Dude was so desperate to suck up to Putin and make an impact, I have no idea what he's capable of.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

2 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Well the archives are compromised because Clownzo illegally hauled them off to an unsecured location and wouldn't give them back after being subpoenaed to do so. Game. Set. Match. Ignorant ballsack. Focking funny as hell. 

When are they going to arrest him? I want to watch. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

2 hours ago, wiffleball said:

Funnier still, he's too stupid to know how to read them. Honest to god, I don't know whether he was using it for espionage purposes, or thinking he get a big bonus on his book deal or what. But it does make me damn nervous about all those meetings he had with Putin with literally nobody else in the room. Dude was so desperate to suck up to Putin and make an impact, I have no idea what he's capable of.

Espionage!  I wonder if he told Putin he would have more flexibility after the election ? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

Now I’m not an insurance salesman or a guidance counselor, but  Wouldn’t you have to show intent to commit espionage in order to be charged under auspices of the espionage act? Otherwise isn’t  it just possession? 

[Mike Honcho 5,296]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Now I’m not an insurance salesman or a guidance counselor, but  Wouldn’t you have to show intent to commit espionage in order to be charged under auspices of the espionage act? Otherwise isn’t  it just possession? 

There are multiple parts to the espionage act.  CBS News

 Trump is being investigated for potentially violating Section 793 — gathering, transmitting or losing defense information, which also includes refusal to return information that is demanded by the government. 

The distinction is that Trump — as far as is publicly known — is not under investigation for giving national defense information to a foreign government with the intent to harm the U.S or aid a foreign nation, or traditional espionage, according to experts who spoke to CBS News. 

Though the 793 provision of the law references "transmitting" defense information, that refers to "any method of moving the document from the secure location to an unauthorized party or an unsecured location," national security lawyer Brad Moss said. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

There are multiple parts to the espionage act.  CBS News

 Trump is being investigated for potentially violating Section 793 — gathering, transmitting or losing defense information, which also includes refusal to return information that is demanded by the government. 

The distinction is that Trump — as far as is publicly known — is not under investigation for giving national defense information to a foreign government with the intent to harm the U.S or aid a foreign nation, or traditional espionage, according to experts who spoke to CBS News. 

Though the 793 provision of the law references "transmitting" defense information, that refers to "any method of moving the document from the secure location to an unauthorized party or an unsecured location," national security lawyer Brad Moss said. 

Yeah, I still think you’re going to have to show intent at some point. I could be wrong. 

[avoiding injuries 1,595]

Just checking in to see if they got him for real this time?

[nobody 2,691]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, I still think you’re going to have to show intent at some point. I could be wrong. 

I would think so too since it says it right in the code they keep posting.  Maybe they don't understand the phrase "for the purpose of the aforesaid" that starts the subsection they keep jizzing over.

[Mike Honcho 5,296]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, I still think you’re going to have to show intent at some point. I could be wrong. 

 

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

I would think so too since it says it right in the code they keep posting.  Maybe they don't understand the phrase "for the purpose of the aforesaid" that starts the subsection they keep jizzing over.

He had 30 boxes of documents he wasn't supposed to have, think intent is implied by the fact that he took them. 

[nobody 2,691]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

He had 30 boxes of documents he wasn't supposed to have, think intent is implied by the fact that he took them. 

I think intent to harm the united states would be hard to prove since he never actually used them to harm the US.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

25 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

He had 30 boxes of documents he wasn't supposed to have, think intent is implied by the fact that he took them. 

Intent to commit espionage? Good luck with that. First question: who was he committing espionage for? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

39 minutes ago, nobody said:

I would think so too since it says it right in the code they keep posting.  Maybe they don't understand the phrase "for the purpose of the aforesaid" that starts the subsection they keep jizzing over.

Exactly.  It’s a part of committing espionage. There’s a charge in NY for possession of burglars tools. I’m order for that charge to stand you have to show that the accused had the intention of committing a burglary. Otherwise it’s just tools. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Now I’m not an insurance salesman or a guidance counselor, but  Wouldn’t you have to show intent to commit espionage in order to be charged under auspices of the espionage act? Otherwise isn’t  it just possession? 

Go read the Espionage Act. You don't even have to click a link. You don't have to look at CNN. Go to the previous page in this thread and read the words I copied straight from the Espionage Act. Be a big boy and go do it!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

11 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Go read the Espionage Act. You don't even have to click a link. You don't have to look at CNN. Go to the previous page in this thread and read the words I copied straight from the Espionage Act. Be a big boy and go do it!

By golly you’re right! So when does he get charged?

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19 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Go read the Espionage Act. You don't even have to click a link. You don't have to look at CNN. Go to the previous page in this thread and read the words I copied straight from the Espionage Act. Be a big boy and go do it!

What about that pesky "for the purpose of the aforesaid" part that @nobody pointed out?

[Mike Honcho 5,296]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

What about that pesky "for the purpose of the aforesaid" part that @nobody pointed out?

Part (e) doesn't have the 'aforesaid' to Part (a) "the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation,"

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(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

Just having possession of the document in itself seems to be a crime, as stated by the security defense lawyer I quoted above.

[craftsman 1,045]

I am in posession of both a car, and a bottle of Hendricks Gin. Damn I could get arrested for DUI without even taking a drink and not driving.