BREAKING NEWS: lottery is RACISS!!!

[DonS 3,319]

I've always heard it referred to as stupid people tax. Now they gotta bring race into it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/lottery-systemic-racism-massive-powerball-payout

 

[Fireballer 2,677]

8 minutes ago, DonS said:

I've always heard it referred to as stupid people tax. Now they gotta bring race into it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/lottery-systemic-racism-massive-powerball-payout

 

More of the same...libs saying black people are too dumb to know that they wont get rich playing the lottery.

[jerryskids 7,083]

23 minutes ago, DonS said:

I've always heard it referred to as stupid people tax. Now they gotta bring race into it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/lottery-systemic-racism-massive-powerball-payout

 

Funny that the picture of people in line had more white people than anything.   

Seriously tho, one of the few discussions I got into at FBG hinged on the definition of racism, the topic was healthcare in low-income communities.  Several folks there asserted that if something disproportionately affects minorities, that is sufficient to define it as racist.  That seems silly to me; I argued that the situation was "poorist", not racist, unless the care could be shown to be worse if you removed the poverty factor.

Anyway, IMO the woke are controlling the definition in this lottery case in a similar way.  Unless they show that ads disproportionately show black winners driving pimped out Escalades and drinking Hennesey, it's a poverty issue, not a race issue.

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25 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

More of the same...libs saying black people are too dumb to know that they wont get rich playing the lottery.

And all are poor and cannot afford to be wasting $ on a shot at millions or billions.

Pathetic. THEY are the racists.

[MLCKAA 586]

Solution:  don’t play 

[BuckSwope 654]

15 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Funny that the picture of people in line had more white people than anything.   

Seriously tho, one of the few discussions I got into at FBG hinged on the definition of racism, the topic was healthcare in low-income communities.  Several folks there asserted that if something disproportionately affects minorities, that is sufficient to define it as racist.  That seems silly to me; I argued that the situation was "poorist", not racist, unless the care could be shown to be worse if you removed the poverty factor.

Anyway, IMO the woke are controlling the definition in this lottery case in a similar way.  Unless they show that ads disproportionately show black winners driving pimped out Escalades and drinking Hennesey, it's a poverty issue, not a race issue.

The problem is, and what is also the big beef on the left, it's very much intertwined.   But, they seem to like to make the same mistake over and over again - instead of framing it in a poverty lens (which statistically is also a large portion of the minority populations they are trying to help), they frame it through a race lens.  

It makes sense that a poor, uneducated population would be more likely to buy lottery tickets.  It makes sense that the lottery would target those populations.   It also goes to reason when they do that, they will also largely be targeting minorities in the process.  

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

Lottery: The Retard Tax

[edjr 6,898]

1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said:

Lottery: The Retard Tax

Do you have a yearly subscription? 

[jerryskids 7,083]

9 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

The problem is, and what is also the big beef on the left, it's very much intertwined.   But, they seem to like to make the same mistake over and over again - instead of framing it in a poverty lens (which statistically is also a large portion of the minority populations they are trying to help), they frame it through a race lens.  

It makes sense that a poor, uneducated population would be more likely to buy lottery tickets.  It makes sense that the lottery would target those populations.   It also goes to reason when they do that, they will also largely be targeting minorities in the process.  

I don't see it as a "problem" in this context.  It's not intertwined, it is a poverty issue, and more minorities happen to be poor.  

By similar poor logic, the effects of climate change are racist:

https://www.google.com/search?q=climate+change+and+racial+disparities&rlz=1C1RXQR_enUS985US985&oq=climate+change+and+rac&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i512j0i22i30l4j0i10i22i30j0i15i22i30l3.12755j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I'm happy to discuss actual racism issues.  But these sorts of things just frankly dilute the issue to me.  

[craftsman 1,045]

So black people are too stupid to be able to get a driver's license, and now they are too stupid to know the odds of winning the lottery? And they have no self control from gambling their paychecks away. 

Liberals don't think very highly of black people. 

The majority of people I see buying lottery tickets around me are white. I live in a mostly white area. Go figure.

[craftsman 1,045]

Is Joe Jackson still around? 

He can do a second version of "Everything Gives you Cancer".

Call it: "Everything is so Racist"

[BuckSwope 654]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't see it as a "problem" in this context.  It's not intertwined, it is a poverty issue, and more minorities happen to be poor.  

By similar poor logic, the effects of climate change are racist:

https://www.google.com/search?q=climate+change+and+racial+disparities&rlz=1C1RXQR_enUS985US985&oq=climate+change+and+rac&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i512j0i22i30l4j0i10i22i30j0i15i22i30l3.12755j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I'm happy to discuss actual racism issues.  But these sorts of things just frankly dilute the issue to me.  

I guess I was saying the "problem" for them is too often its framed as a race issue despite mostly being a poverty issue that expresses itself as a race issue.  It drives a lot of people away when things are repeatedly framed as a race issue or racist.  

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[craftsman 1,045]

11 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I guess I was saying the "problem" for them is too often its framed as a race issue despite mostly being a poverty issue that expresses itself as a race issue.  It drives a lot of people away when things are repeatedly framed as a race issue or racist.  

How is the lottery a poverty issue? 

[avoiding injuries 1,650]

They’ve truly eliminated all worth from that word. 

[wiffleball 4,797]

The father-in-law of a former Broncos sold the 2 billion dollar ticket recently. I bet he got a pretty big cut.

[listen2me 23 1,952]

It is amazing what perspective has on people. 

I have lived in Buffalo and yeah at the mini mart many lotto tickets I saw were sold to blacks.   

I grew up rural and now live rural and I see old white people buy lotto tickets religiously.    What they would do with it I don't know.   Hand it down I guess.  But I think of old people when I think lotto tickets.  Funny right?  

I understand in bigger cities it is a black thing.  But I never think of it as such.  

[BuckSwope 654]

15 minutes ago, craftsman said:

How is the lottery a poverty issue? 

I posted above.  I would guess a large % of consistent ticket buyers are in lower income brackets.  

[jerryskids 7,083]

15 minutes ago, craftsman said:

How is the lottery a poverty issue? 

I originally said that, not him.  The OP link said that it is "aggressively marketed" to low-income communities, so there is some culpability in that IMO.

That being said, I suppose if I am following through on my own logic, it isn't so much a poverty issue as an intelligence issue, since poorer people tend to be less intelligent and that is the primary determinant of chronic lottery purchases.

[GobbleDog 1,010]

The lottery isn't racist. It's just WRONG.  The vast majority who play are poor - the vast majority who play lose.

Why is the government, who's supposed to help citizens, in the businesses of selling lottery tickets to the poor and desperate?  I can't think of any other "product" the government sells - let alone something valueless and harmful. 

I wouldn't have such an issue with the lottery if it was run by private companies - but not the government. If it was run by private companies, the government would step in and require them to pay FAIR odds. And they'd limit advertising. And outlaw lotto vending machines. Etc.  But when the government does it, anything goes! 

In Florida there used to be only $1 scratch offs. But that didn't rape the poor fast enough, so $2 scratch offs appeared. Then $5, then $10, then $20, then $50...  THE GOVERNMENT is doing this to their own people. Dangling an unreachable carrot in front of the most desperate members of society.

It's absolutely disgusting. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

if anyone questions my blackness i pull some scratchers from my pocket.

[craftsman 1,045]

15 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I posted above.  I would guess a large % of consistent ticket buyers are in lower income brackets.  

Well, then we should just call lottery system is systemically dumb. As those are the people who can least afford to gamble. 

It's a extremely simple concept that even poor people can understand.  And many poor people do understand. You go tell a poor person that they shouldn't be spending the much needed dollars on a lottery ticket and they will understand you and then go out and buy a few lottery tickets, some scratch offs and any other type of ticket they sell. 

They know what they are doing so no one is taking advantage of them. It's like saying, alcohol is no good for you so those who sell it are taking advantage of everyone who buys alcohol. Or sugar drinks or whatever. 

Individuals need to start taking more personal responsibility and the public needs to stop blaming other's actions on society or business. 

[wiffleball 4,797]

Not for nothing, but I've always felt that we should be legally allowed to whack somebody in the head if they buy scratchers and then proceed to scratch them off right there at the counter while people wait to buy s*** behind them.

[wiffleball 4,797]

7 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

if anyone questions my blackness i pull some scratchers from my pocket.

Genital crabs?

[DonS 3,319]

I'm not sure how wide spread this is, but when I moved out to the PNW I discovered a thing called "pull tabs" at bars in WA and OR.    It's basically scratchers but you pull open little perforated windows on tickets vs scratch off silver layer with a coin.  Folks buy them by the basket full and then just sit there opening them one after the other. 

Everytime I've seen people playing pulltabs they are almost always poor old fockers that spend all day at the bar.  Living the retirement high life I guess. 

[BuckSwope 654]

2 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Well, then we should just call lottery system is systemically dumb. As those are the people who can least afford to gamble. 

It's a extremely simple concept that even poor people can understand.  And many poor people do understand. You go tell a poor person that they shouldn't be spending the much needed dollars on a lottery ticket and they will understand you and then go out and buy a few lottery tickets, some scratch offs and any other type of ticket they sell. 

They know what they are doing so no one is taking advantage of them. It's like saying, alcohol is no good for you so those who sell it are taking advantage of everyone who buys alcohol. Or sugar drinks or whatever. 

Individuals need to start taking more personal responsibility and the public needs to stop blaming other's actions on society or business. 

Good grief, man.  This was an article from CNN based on what researchers gave them.  As far as I could tell from the article this isn't people buying the tickets bitching about being targeting or them blaming the lottery or anything.   

Maybe your experiences differ from mine, but I have not known many people (even those buying tickets like me) who don't view it as a bit of a waste or a WTF spending of the money.    I have never met anybody blaming the gas stations or society on them buying lotto tickets.  

All this boils down to is some "no , Sherlock" type of research (like poorer people buy more lotto tickets) and CNN running with their usual narrative to frame it as a race issue because it generates the clicks and outrage.   It worked.  

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, DonS said:

I'm not sure how wide spread this is, but when I moved out to the PNW I discovered a thing called "pull tabs" at bars in WA and OR.    It's basically scratchers but you pull open little perforated windows on tickets vs scratch off silver layer with a coin.  Folks buy then by the basket full and then just sit there opening them one after the other. 

Everytime I've seen people playing pulltabs they are almost always poor old fockers that spend all day at the bar.  Living the retirement high life I guess. 

Huge around here in the Midwest as well.  

[craftsman 1,045]

25 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I originally said that, not him.  The OP link said that it is "aggressively marketed" to low-income communities, so there is some culpability in that IMO.

That being said, I suppose if I am following through on my own logic, it isn't so much a poverty issue as an intelligence issue, since poorer people tend to be less intelligent and that is the primary determinant of chronic lottery purchases.

Yeah, I would say anyone who is poor and wasting their money on the lottery is completely stupid. Same for those who make $30,000 a year and finance a $40,000 new car. Or people who allow themselves to get deep in debt. Or those who drink to much alcohol or drink 6 cans of coke a day, or live 50 pounds overweight, or smoke cigs, etc...

Those people can always find help to fix bad habits. There are people and groups out there who are begging to help anyone. 

It's just the way things are and in no way would I want the government to step in and start taking things away from me in the effort to protect me from myself. 

Natural Selection takes over at some point for people. 

[wiffleball 4,797]

What bothers me is when I see something like a billion dollar or 2 billion dollar jackpot.

 

That's just not good for anybody. Nobody needs to come into a 2 billion dollar windfall. In fact, there are more stories of people whose lives get absolutely ruined after winning the lottery.

 

There should be some controls on that. I know statistics and whatnot, but you can manage that. Ask Vegas.  but you could do a hell of a lot more good granting people enough money for a down payment on a house, or  college tuition, something more attainable and tangible. And something that could impact thousands of people at once instead of making one person ridiculously wealthy beyond their ability to spend that money in 5 lifetimes. 

[craftsman 1,045]

8 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Good grief, man.  This was an article from CNN based on what researchers gave them.  As far as I could tell from the article this isn't people buying the tickets bitching about being targeting or them blaming the lottery or anything.   

Maybe your experiences differ from mine, but I have not known many people (even those buying tickets like me) who don't view it as a bit of a waste or a WTF spending of the money.    I have never met anybody blaming the gas stations or society on them buying lotto tickets.  

All this boils down to is some "no , Sherlock" type of research (like poorer people buy more lotto tickets) and CNN running with their usual narrative to frame it as a race issue because it generates the clicks and outrage.   It worked.  

No, it's other people bltching about it. And to call it racist is to say it was all set up by someone or some group to keep black people from achieving in life. This is the kind of narrative that needs to stop. How insulting it must be to black people. Who knows, maybe they don't get insulted. 

I think a bigger problem is people getting into debt or drunken driving honestly. 

[wiffleball 4,797]

You know, my folks weren't unusual. And they were both college graduates with advanced degrees. When they retired, they'd spend five bucks a week or whatever buying Lotto tickets. They knew the odds but for the price of a cup of coffee they had a moment of hope. The distraction from the fact that they were slowly and mercilessly and inevitably dying. And it broke up the week and gave them something to look forward to.

 

I think if they had won the lottery, they wouldn't have changed their life so very much.

 

But it was something.  

 

And for most of us jerks here who spend an average of  probably a hundred bucks a week on booze? - just have something to look forward to after the end of a long day or a long week? A reward, a distraction. Whatever you want to call it. - to criticize people or call them stupid for spending a few bucks for a little bit of hope, a fantasy, a distraction. The fock man. 

 

That's the same way I can't really bring myself to criticize some f***** on the street for drinking a tall boy. 

 

At the end of the day, all of it  is just a distraction from the fact that life kind of sucks. Wonderful people get raped and murdered. Children get cancer. get rich. But guess what? They all die.  Life's a losing proposition. A sucker's bet. 

 

It doesn't matter how smart or how rich you are.  At least Some people win the lottery. Nobody wins life.

 

 

[easilyscan 1,014]

33 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

The lottery isn't racist. It's just WRONG.  The vast majority who play are poor - the vast majority who play lose.

Why is the government, who's supposed to help citizens, in the businesses of selling lottery tickets to the poor and desperate?  I can't think of any other "product" the government sells - let alone something valueless and harmful. 

I wouldn't have such an issue with the lottery if it was run by private companies - but not the government. If it was run by private companies, the government would step in and require them to pay FAIR odds. And they'd limit advertising. And outlaw lotto vending machines. Etc.  But when the government does it, anything goes! 

In Florida there used to be only $1 scratch offs. But that didn't rape the poor fast enough, so $2 scratch offs appeared. Then $5, then $10, then $20, then $50...  THE GOVERNMENT is doing this to their own people. Dangling an unreachable carrot in front of the most desperate members of society.

It's absolutely disgusting. 

A+ and didn't they do the same thing with the Powerball numbers themselves ?

When the lottery started here in Minnesota, it was 1$ for a ticket, sometime later they upped it to 2$

On the other hand, I feel no pity for anyone who spends more than they can afford on lottery tickets, scratch offs, etc.

At some point in time, personal responsibility needs to come back to our nation.

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, craftsman said:

No, it's other people bltching about it. And to call it racist is to say it was all set up by someone or some group to keep black people from achieving in life. This is the kind of narrative that needs to stop. How insulting it must be to black people. Who knows, maybe they don't get insulted. 

I think a bigger problem is people getting into debt and drunken driving honestly. 

That's why I was confused with your post going off about the people buying the tickets and bitching about it.  

I also don't agree with your second sentence.  I don't think the article made any claims as to why the lottery was set up or that this is the goal (to target black people) either.  

I don't think it's a secret that a lot of the things we implement to generate more local taxes affect lower income folks more: sin taxes, lottery, etc..    It's also probably not a secret that a large portion of the black population is in those lower income brackets.  It's also true many of the taxes collected won't benefit these same people.   Overall the article is not fully inaccurate, it's just yet another example of incorrectly filtering it through racial lens instead because that's what gets the clicks and shares! 

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

You know, my folks weren't unusual. And they were both college graduates with advanced degrees. When they retired, they'd spend five bucks a week or whatever buying Lotto tickets. They knew the odds but for the price of a cup of coffee they had a moment of hope. The distraction from the fact that they were slowly and mercilessly and inevitably dying. And it broke up the week and gave them something to look forward to.

 

I think if they had won the lottery, they wouldn't have changed their life so very much.

 

But it was something.  

 

And for most of us jerks here who spend an average of  probably a hundred bucks a week on booze? - just have something to look forward to after the end of a long day or a long week? A reward, a distraction. Whatever you want to call it. - to criticize people or call them stupid for spending a few bucks for a little bit of hope, a fantasy, a distraction. The fock man. 

 

That's the same way I can't really bring myself to criticize some f***** on the street for drinking a tall boy. 

 

At the end of the day, all of it  is just a distraction from the fact that life kind of sucks. Wonderful people get raped and murdered. Children get cancer. get rich. But guess what? They all die.  Life's a losing proposition. A sucker's bet. 

 

It doesn't matter how smart or how rich you are.  At least Some people win the lottery. Nobody wins life.

 

 

This is more where I am at.  I bristle a bit at calling these people stupid.  Well, mostly because I do these things as well.    If I can think of dozens of reasons somebody might be buying a ticket and I am doing so once in a while, who am I to criticize?  I have 0 clue what the financial situation is with the person in front of me in line for the Powerball or how often they do this.    I bet there is not a one of us who doesn't waste some money on silly things, we all have our vices.  

[craftsman 1,045]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

That's why I was confused with your post going off about the people buying the tickets and bitching about it.  

I also don't agree with your second sentence.  I don't think the article made any claims as to why the lottery was set up or that this is the goal (to target black people) either.  

I don't think it's a secret that a lot of the things we implement to generate more local taxes affect lower income folks more: sin taxes, lottery, etc..    It's also probably not a secret that a large portion of the black population is in those lower income brackets.  It's also true many of the taxes collected won't benefit these same people.   Overall the article is not fully inaccurate, it's just yet another example of incorrectly filtering it through racial lens instead because that's what gets the clicks and shares! 

It doesn't really matter to me but the article does infer it's racist. 

1) Targeted towards low income people.

2) Low income is mostly black and brown people

3) Therefore it's racist.

Anyway, are there more low income black people in this country or more low income white people in this country?

[BunnysBastatrds 2,597]

52 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

The lottery isn't racist. It's just WRONG.  The vast majority who play are poor - the vast majority who play lose.

Why is the government, who's supposed to help citizens, in the businesses of selling lottery tickets to the poor and desperate?  I can't think of any other "product" the government sells - let alone something valueless and harmful. 

I wouldn't have such an issue with the lottery if it was run by private companies - but not the government. If it was run by private companies, the government would step in and require them to pay FAIR odds. And they'd limit advertising. And outlaw lotto vending machines. Etc.  But when the government does it, anything goes! 

In Florida there used to be only $1 scratch offs. But that didn't rape the poor fast enough, so $2 scratch offs appeared. Then $5, then $10, then $20, then $50...  THE GOVERNMENT is doing this to their own people. Dangling an unreachable carrot in front of the most desperate members of society.

It's absolutely disgusting. 

As are those who play casinos in any state in America. Some play for fun, some play out of desperation, which all makes us suckers, as the house almost always wins.

[BuckSwope 654]

21 minutes ago, craftsman said:

It doesn't really matter to me but the article does infer it's racist. 

1) Targeted towards low income people.

2) Low income is mostly black and brown people

3) Therefore it's racist.

Anyway, are there more low income black people in this country or more low income white people in this country?

  There are numerically more white people in poverty in the country because there are way more white people.   I am pretty sure you know that is not what people are referring to, and are talking in % in poverty of each ethnic group.   So if something largely effects poor people, it shows up as affecting a larger portion of the black community.  

I agree the article and CNN were instead leaning on the racial angle instead of the poverty one, going so far as to quote Mr. Bernal as saying it's a form of systemic racism.  

 

ETA:  oh man, I didn't even catch the extra layer of this being an article of FOX covering what CNN is covering.  Embarrassing that I missed that this afternoon on my scan. 

[edjr 6,898]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

if anyone questions my blackness i pull some scratchers from my pocket.

Not crack?

[DonS 3,319]

1 hour ago, easilyscan said:

A+ and didn't they do the same thing with the Powerball numbers themselves ?

When the lottery started here in Minnesota, it was 1$ for a ticket, sometime later they upped it to 2$

On the other hand, I feel no pity for anyone who spends more than they can afford on lottery tickets, scratch offs, etc.

At some point in time, personal responsibility needs to come back to our nation. 

  Personal responsibility is rooted in Whiteness you POS bigot!!!! 

[easilyscan 1,014]

1 hour ago, DonS said:

  Personal responsibility is rooted in Whiteness you POS bigot!!!! 

You got me there!