Do liberals still think that covid didn't come from the Wuhan lab that Fauci was funding?

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23 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Proven over and over to be false. His names are on some patents, three, and all of them are for HIV,

guess I should have been more specific the NIH

which is not at all where his wife is

dude benefitted greatly financially off the pandemic

and all he did was lie

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16 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

I've never shrugged it off, but I will never know why it got about politics. Mistakes, big ones, cost all of us. I just don't see everything as partisan.

I never mentioned politics, and you didn't address any of my points. 

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There are two players in this that had all the incentive to lie. Fauci and the Chinese.  

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54 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Proven over and over to be false. His names are on some patents, three, and all of them are for HIV,

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Dr. Fauci has invested $ 6 billion in taxpayer lucre in the Moderna vaccine alone. 3 His agency is co-owner4 of the patent and stands to collect a fortune in royalties. At least four of Fauci’s hand-picked deputies are in line to collect royalties of $ 150,000/ year based on Moderna’s success, and that’s on top of the salaries already paid by the American public. 5,6
 

From: The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health (Children’s Health Defense)

By: Kennedy Jr., Robert F.

I guess this is a loop hole?

 

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29 minutes ago, Strike said:

I never mentioned politics, and you didn't address any of my points. 

Why would I even bother after you posted this:

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I can't understand why people such as yourself and Timscrotch just shrug this off. 

You already seem to know my pov on this, which is wrong by the way, but that's cool, we all can't be open minded.

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2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

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Dr. Fauci has invested $ 6 billion in taxpayer lucre in the Moderna vaccine alone. 3 His agency is co-owner4 of the patent and stands to collect a fortune in royalties. At least four of Fauci’s hand-picked deputies are in line to collect royalties of $ 150,000/ year based on Moderna’s success, and that’s on top of the salaries already paid by the American public. 5,6
 

From: The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health (Children’s Health Defense)

By: Kennedy Jr., Robert F.

 

 

Source, please. If I'm wrong I'll admit it, but it's gonna take more than uncredited source and a no-context cut and paste. Please share the source, I'm interested in seeing it.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,905]

Never forget while you were wearing a mask, staying home, your kids couldn’t go to school and other activities, sticking yourself with useless “vaccines”, that the border was flung open and no such restrictions were placed on illegals. 

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5 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Source, please. If I'm wrong I'll admit it, but it's gonna take more than uncredited source and a no-context cut and paste. Please share the source, I'm interested in seeing it.

It is in my post

 

From the Book: The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health (Children’s Health Defense)

 By: Kennedy Jr., Robert F.

page 85

[League Champion 1,896]

Libs get torn up when you question or criticize Fauci, I always wonder why. 

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7 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

It is in my post

 

From the Book: The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health (Children’s Health Defense)

 By: Kennedy Jr., Robert F.

page 85

The anti vaxxer RFK Jr,?  Sorry, BB that focker is loony tunes.

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On 12/24/2022 at 7:40 AM, peenie said:

have never had COVID.

Well then the shots were useless. It's ashame that they scared you into it. 

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22 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

The anti vaxxer RFK Jr,?  Sorry, BB that focker is loony tunes.

Read to book, it is all documented and footnoted. He is a Democrat with inside knowledge on the subject. If you only listen to one side, you will never get to the truth.

don’t be afraid to see what you see.

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Just now, Baker Boy said:

Read to book, it is all documented and footnoted. He is a Democrat with inside knowledge on the subject. If you only listen to one side, you will never get to the truth.

don’t be afraid to see what you see.

OK. 

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3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Read to book, it is all documented and footnoted. He is a Democrat with inside knowledge on the subject. If you only listen to one side, you will never get to the truth.

don’t be afraid to see what you see.

Welcome back Baker Boy! 

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3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I thought the main issue was whether or not it was intentional. If it was unintentional then who cares how it got here? 

There are a few things in play here.

Firstly, gain of function is not something we embrace here in the US. So to get around it you have this bureaucrat in Faucci embracing it by setting it up in China, subverting our stance toward it.

Then, when this virus gets out, you have said bureaucrat lying about what he did, and participated in....because of course he does not want to be culpable.  

All of this is in line with what we can reasonably expect from our government agencies, its not OK....its not right....but we know corruption is real.

NOW, moving past this you have the Democrat Party realizing they can weaponize this entire thing to seize power. The fraudulent impeachments may have failed, but here is a nice tool to wrest power from the Republicans.  And in order to do it they have to protect Faucci, moreover their turned him into some hero. So they became China's enablers in order to secure power, and its disgusting. 

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3 hours ago, paulinstl said:

Why would I even bother after you posted this:

You already seem to know my pov on this, which is wrong by the way, but that's cool, we all can't be open minded.

Yep, because the following post is basically "Eh, people made mistakes.  It is what it is.  They were just trying to protect us."

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Seriously,  pretty early on I've thought it came from a Chinese lab and accidentally got to the public. I don't get why people are more pissed at Fauci than they are at the Chinese who caused this thing.  Nobody had seen this kind of thing in their lifetimes. Many, many mistakes have been made through the entire ordeal, but I also think that most of them were caused by people and institutions trying to protect others, and it was not some sinister plot. They were spit balling with very little real-world data and I really believe they tried their best, which in a lot of cases was just not nearly good enough.

 

A lot of people made mistakes including Fauci and the CDC.

 

And this is bullsh*t.  Violating the law is not protecting us.  Violating international standards in the lab, as the Wuhan institute did, is not protecting us.  Actually, they did the exact opposite, didn't they?    And if you think the Chinese are doing this research for the good of humanity you're delusional.   Again, you and Tim are just shrugging it off as something that happened and not calling for actions to be done to avoid it happening again.  So, when it does, you'll just shrug it off again.

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7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I thought the main issue was whether or not it was intentional. If it was unintentional then who cares how it got here? 

A lot of good answers have already been posted, but let me add a few I don't recall seeing:

1. Determining it came from the lab is a necessary step in determining if it was intentional.

2. We could have pressured China to release all information on it.  This one bugs me (pardon the pun) because it's like climate change which is allegedly an existential crisis, yet we ignore solutions like nuclear which would actually be effective.  Covid was supposed to be an existential crisis, shutting down our country and stunting the growth and education of a generation of children, yet... we didn't want to upset China?  Bullshiot, that's not an existential crisis.

3. I heard today that whether or not it was man-made (or man-enhanced, perhaps more accurately) could affect the approaches to attack it.  I don't know the details of this but it falls under the umbrella of knowledge of the virus.

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Trump was right once again 

 

the true Fauci believers are what Obama referred to as bitter clingers

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

Yep, because the following post is basically "Eh, people made mistakes.  It is what it is.  They were just trying to protect us."

And this is bullsh*t.  Violating the law is not protecting us.  Violating international standards in the lab, as the Wuhan institute did, is not protecting us.  Actually, they did the exact opposite, didn't they?    And if you think the Chinese are doing this research for the good of humanity you're delusional.   Again, you and Tim are just shrugging it off as something that happened and not calling for actions to be done to avoid it happening again.  So, when it does, you'll just shrug it off again.

Who said anything about China doing the research for the good of humanity? I stated China should get the blame, and Fauci messed up too. Learn to read, Dude. And, yes I think most of the mistakes were because a mad scramble was on trying to save lives and stop the spread of Covid the best way they thought at the time. It's not always sinister forces at play, this case was about ignorance and inexperience with anything like this.

I'm talking about after the virus was out, not what led up to it getting out. Blame China, they did it.

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7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I thought the main issue was whether or not it was intentional. If it was unintentional then who cares how it got here? 

Well, there's also the financial aspect of it.  It's the gift that keeps on giving as it helped stir inflation, thereby higher rates on all the debt they hold on us.  So it's quite significant.

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1 minute ago, paulinstl said:

Who said anything about China doing the research for the good of humanity? I stated China should get the blame, and Fauci messed up too. Learn to read, Dude. And, yes I think most of the mistakes were because a mad scramble was on trying to save lives and stop the spread of Covid the best way they thought at the time. It's not always sinister forces at play, this case was about ignorance and inexperience with anything like this.

I'm talking about after the virus was out, not what led up to it getting out. Blame China, they did it.

Fauci broke the law BEFORE the virus came out.  Why don't I blame him too?

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Fauci broke the law BEFORE the virus came out.  Why don't I blame him too?

Go ahead, knock yourself out.

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Just now, paulinstl said:

Go ahead, knock yourself out.

You call for blame but not accountability.  Hence, just "shrugging it off." 

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

You call for blame but not accountability.  Hence, just "shrugging it off." 

I want China to be held accountable, you just shrug off their causing the pandemic.

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4 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

I want China to be held accountable, you just shrug off their causing the pandemic.

Sure you do.  3 years of Covid and this is your first post suggesting that, right after you said everyone just made mistakes but were doing it for the right reasons.  And I think I've made it very clear ever since Covid hit that I want China to be held accountable so not sure how you came to the conclusion that I don't.  But you do you, drive by lib poster!

[KSB2424 3,148]

I worked in Big Pharma for 18 years.  True Vaccines are one of the worlds greatest inventions.  Only behind the wheel, fire and maybe porn.  

With that said, in retrospect which is easy to do, this pandemic was handled horribly.  There should have been a reaction but it was a complete overreaction.  Government and Healthcare went way overboard and lost their way.  The Covid vaccine is a flu shot and needs to be "sold" as such, it was not in the beginning and people were sold fools gold.  Complete B.S. 

ETA:  Rolling it forward, forget Covid, healthcare and gov't focked this up so bad it will cause the masses to be wary of anything they say....like normal vaccines that save lives and end disease.  Don't lie to people and cover up B.S. 

 

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28 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I worked in Big Pharma for 18 years.  True Vaccines are one of the worlds greatest inventions.  Only behind the wheel, fire and maybe porn.  

With that said, in retrospect which is easy to do, this pandemic was handled horribly.  There should have been a reaction but it was a complete overreaction.  Government and Healthcare went way overboard and lost their way.  The Covid vaccine is a flu shot and needs to be "sold" as such, it was not in the beginning and people were sold fools gold.  Complete B.S. 

ETA:  Rolling it forward, forget Covid, healthcare and gov't focked this up so bad it will cause the masses to be wary of anything they say....like normal vaccines that save lives and end disease.  Don't lie to people and cover up B.S. 

 

Yeah, next time nobody is going to be listening to these idiots. Perhaps that's a good thing. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

Whatever happened to MONKEYPOX!@#!   Run for your lives!

 

 

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8 hours ago, paulinstl said:

I want China to be held accountable, you just shrug off their causing the pandemic.

Trump tried to hold China accountable. The Libs accused him of being racist.

DID EVERYONE FORGET THIS CRAP?? 

 

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8 hours ago, paulinstl said:

Who said anything about China doing the research for the good of humanity? I stated China should get the blame, and Fauci messed up too. Learn to read, Dude. And, yes I think most of the mistakes were because a mad scramble was on trying to save lives and stop the spread of Covid the best way they thought at the time. It's not always sinister forces at play, this case was about ignorance and inexperience with anything like this.

I'm talking about after the virus was out, not what led up to it getting out. Blame China, they did it.

How did China participate in stopping the spread to the rest of the world? Oh yeah, they didn’t. The opposite actually, they helped to spread it to the rest of the world. It’s right there in your face yet for some reason you won’t acknowledge that. And when Trump did stop them from spreading it even more he was called a xenophobe. He was right .  Again. 

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8 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

I worked in Big Pharma for 18 years.  True Vaccines are one of the worlds greatest inventions.  Only behind the wheel, fire and maybe porn.  

With that said, in retrospect which is easy to do, this pandemic was handled horribly.  There should have been a reaction but it was a complete overreaction.  Government and Healthcare went way overboard and lost their way.  The Covid vaccine is a flu shot and needs to be "sold" as such, it was not in the beginning and people were sold fools gold.  Complete B.S. 

ETA:  Rolling it forward, forget Covid, healthcare and gov't focked this up so bad it will cause the masses to be wary of anything they say....like normal vaccines that save lives and end disease.  Don't lie to people and cover up B.S. 

 

The fact that you differentiate between the covid vaccine and a "normal" vaccine just proves you have no clue what you're talking about.

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16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How did China participate in stopping the spread to the rest of the world? Oh yeah, they didn’t. The opposite actually, they helped to spread it to the rest of the world. It’s right there in your face yet for some reason you won’t acknowledge that. And when Trump did stop them from spreading it even more he was called a xenophobe. He was right .  Again. 

China had the harshest lockdowns in the world, and remember, lockdowns don't work, right?

Also trump stopping incoming flights from China didn't do a thing to stop the spread, we all know this.

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10 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

China had the harshest lockdowns in the world, and remember, lockdowns don't work, right?

Also trump stopping incoming flights from China didn't do a thing to stop the spread, we all know this.

See? He thinks China was on lockdown, not letting people travel out of China. They wouldn’t even let people travel from Wuhan to other parts of China. Yet here he is, wallowing in ignorance, loud as ever. 

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Maybe doing gain of function research was the correct thing to do to increase understanding.  Maybe it was dangerous and foolish as many gains of knowledge have been used for nefarious purposes throughout history.  

 

My thing here is this.  If you are going to do this type of research you do it in the most secure facilities.  You have a lengthy quarantine period for persons and materials leaving the facility and before entering society and the chain of commerce.  And importantly you do not have the research and the facility in a country which suppresses information.  You annouince what you are doing ahead of time.  You allow the decision to be well debated.  You take ownership of the decision and the consequences because if there are adverse consequences that openness and ownership helps ameliorate those consequences. 

 

Remember when the first astronauts returned and they would be quarantined.  They did that as a precaution because they did not know what they did not know.  It turned out maybe that was an excess of caution.  Well I would have had that same excess of caution here because they did not know what they did not know, but in their arrogance they also did not care.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,905]

Gain of function was not allowed. Anything after that is meaningless. HTH. 

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2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

The fact that you differentiate between the covid vaccine and a "normal" vaccine just proves you have no clue what you're talking about.

Stop with the word games.

 By “normal” vaccine one means optimal protection against disease. Like smallpox, polio, MMR, Tetanus ect. 
 

 The flu shot and Covid shots, while giving some protection over a very short period of time offer sub-optimal protection and are not broad spectrum in that they don’t normally protect against variants.  Any “vaccine” for a respiratory illness is normally this way.  
 

We were sold the former when we got the latter. 
 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,905]

This vaccine didn’t follow the same path as prior ones. Not even close. Saying it’s normal is very, very ignorant. 

[RLLD 4,143]

We are not asking the right questions.  Never accept the first word from your government, the government is predicated entirely on lying.

Ask yourself, after forcefully opposing and silencing the source of the virus being from that lab in Wuhan, why would DOE (of all agencies) suddenly spout off about it maybe coming from that lab, although with <ahem>  "low confidence"? 

And why would it be that so far there does not seem to be the same forceful opposition to it?  Isn't that curious?

In any situation you always need to look at who wins and who loses.  Every move by the government is driven by this simple concept. 

So, who wins if China is suddenly held accountable for the virus? And who loses? And this little release by the DOE?  Its a feint.....

It is a signal to China....that the US is willing to expose them, and if it would be true that China does follow through with its weapons to Russia delivery....through this little DOE release the government has just warned China.....

So lets see how it all unfolds....

[GutterBoy 2,898]

8 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Stop with the word games.

 By “normal” vaccine one means optimal protection against disease. Like smallpox, polio, MMR, Tetanus ect. 
 

 The flu shot and Covid shots, while giving some protection over a very short period of time offer sub-optimal protection and are not broad spectrum in that they don’t normally protect against variants.  Any “vaccine” for a respiratory illness is normally this way.  
 

We were sold the former when we got the latter. 
 

You're using the terms "normal" and "not normal" to refer to vaccines but I'm the one playing word games?

They're all vaccines.  Vaccines offer varying levels of efficacy.  Anyone who has worked in pharma knows this.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Even ultra Libs like John Stewart were months ago, making fun of some of y’all.  JFC.