DeSantis and his stupid laws

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Actually you don’t support the rights of bakers in every instance. For example, a baker can’t refuse a to serve a black person because they’re black, or a Jew because he’s Jewish. We have laws against that. Whether those laws should be extended to protect gay people is an open question. I think they should, but others may disagree. 
 

Likewise I have no issue with the idea of regulating Big Tech, at least in theory. But it’s not regulated now so I think that the notion of censorship does not apply. 

That is true, coming from the 1964 law.....  This is one of those times where I really end up chuckling a little, here we have it in law from 1964 the assurance that people are treated equally, and yet there is this notion that the nation is more racist today than it was back then. It is funny.

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36 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

It said "critical reason."  Just take the L on this and move on.

Of course not, but again you are sloppy with words.  The issue is not "serving," it's doing creative work.  

Lol what L? Jon is wrong about his history. That’s not unusual. He has a tendency to spew nonsense. It’s just his thing. 
 

 

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17 minutes ago, RLLD said:

That is true, coming from the 1964 law.....  This is one of those times where I really end up chuckling a little, here we have it in law from 1964 the assurance that people are treated equally, and yet there is this notion that the nation is more racist today than it was back then. It is funny.

I want to be clear. I don’t believe this nation is more racist today. Far from it. And I challenge you to produce a quote from a prominent liberal, Democrat, or black activist, even a radical one, to the effect that racism is worse now than it was then. 

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12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Lol what L? Jon is wrong about his history. That’s not unusual. He has a tendency to spew nonsense. It’s just his thing. 
 

 

His link said "critical reason," you are nitpicking about PRIMARY reason.  You lost, and you look worse every time you try to avoid it. 

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

His link said "critical reason," you are nitpicking about PRIMARY reason.  You lost, and you look worse every time you try to avoid it. 

No. It said A critical reason. And it was. It’s not a lie, that’s accurate history. It was not the primary reason and that claim was never made. 

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28 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I want to be clear. I don’t believe this nation is more racist today. Far from it. And I challenge you to produce a quote from a prominent liberal, Democrat, or black activist, even a radical one, to the effect that racism is worse now than it was then. 

You all make assertions without backing any of it up. go do your own looking into it. There are plenty of things people are saying out there equivalent or worse than this. So it's AS BAD as it's ever been.

Slavery was America’s “original sin.” It was not solved by the framers of the U.S. Constitution, nor was it resolved by the horrendous conflict that was of the American Civil War. It simply changed its odious form and continued the generational enslavement of an entire strata of American society. In turn, the Civil Rights Movement struck a mighty blow against racism in America, and our souls soared when Dr. King told us he had a dream. But we were and still are far from the “promised land.” And even when America rose up to elect its first Black President, Barack Obama, we may indeed have lost ground as a collective nation along the way.

That is our legacy as Americans, and in many ways, the most hateful remnants of slavery persist in the U.S. today in the form of systemic racism baked into nearly every aspect of our society and who we are as a people.

 John R. Allen

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5 minutes ago, craftsman said:

You all make assertions without backing any of it up. go do your own looking into it. There are plenty of things people are saying out there equivalent or worse than this. So it's AS BAD as it's ever been.

Slavery was America’s “original sin.” It was not solved by the framers of the U.S. Constitution, nor was it resolved by the horrendous conflict that was of the American Civil War. It simply changed its odious form and continued the generational enslavement of an entire strata of American society. In turn, the Civil Rights Movement struck a mighty blow against racism in America, and our souls soared when Dr. King told us he had a dream. But we were and still are far from the “promised land.” And even when America rose up to elect its first Black President, Barack Obama, we may indeed have lost ground as a collective nation along the way.

That is our legacy as Americans, and in many ways, the most hateful remnants of slavery persist in the U.S. today in the form of systemic racism baked into nearly every aspect of our society and who we are as a people.

 John R. Allen

Doesn’t say that it’s worse. Nobody is saying it’s worse. Typical strawman argument. You claim people are saying something to make them look bad. But when asked to provide evidence, you come up with something that clearly doesn’t back up your claims. So you move the goalposts.

General Allen is a true American patriot and you might want to consider reflecting on the truth of his words.

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59 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

https://localtoday.news/va/complete-list-of-21-books-banned-by-the-virginia-school-board-82091.html

Thanks.  

I didn't see what schools they were even in to begin with and it doesn't seem to specify, so I assume just all of them.  

It mandates that any description that contradicts Virginia’s definition of sexually explicit content — “the depiction of sexual sodomy, a suggestive display of nudity, […] sexual arousal, sexual behavior or sadomasochistic abuse, […] coprophilia, urophilia or fetishism” – be considered for a ban.

 

Such odd, general descriptions of what is available to be banned.   And of course we get the:

 

Madison Count School Board policy was introduced by member Christopher Wingate.

“It’s about protecting children,” he told local news site Madison County Eagle. “There are other books that don’t excite me, but these are the definition. If they were filmed, they would be NC-17 or R.”

 

I just find it interesting that they choose to use those movie ratings as an example.   Movie ratings are random and often make 0 sense.  Also, by definition those ratings are fine for 17 year olds which you know - are in High School where they just banned those books as far as I can tell.    It's also interesting that he was wrong as well, because some of the books banned are in fact Pg-13 movies.   Perks of Being a Wallflower and Snow Falling on Cedars are two examples of that.  

 

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15 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Doesn’t say that it’s worse. Nobody is saying it’s worse. Typical strawman argument. You claim people are saying something to make them look bad. But when asked to provide evidence, you come up with something that clearly doesn’t back up your claims. So you move the goalposts.

General Allen is a true American patriot and you might want to consider reflecting on the truth of his words.

It’s amazing that he quotes a guy who only proved my point. What a total failure

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I want to be clear. I don’t believe this nation is more racist today. Far from it. And I challenge you to produce a quote from a prominent liberal, Democrat, or black activist, even a radical one, to the effect that racism is worse now than it was then. 

I suggest that you are correct.  America is less racist than ever in its history.  Additionally, once we as a nation were able to free ourselves from the Democrat policies of segregation that fed that festering wound, African Americans have statistically improved their position overall in almost every measurable category. 

And yet, one would believe that was not the case as we hear an endless flow of complaining and whining,  and less so from the AA community so much as liberal whites. Honestly, it would be such a better place if we could just get the whiny liberal whites to STFU and let the AA's continue to prosper and grow. JMHO

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1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Doesn’t say that it’s worse. Nobody is saying it’s worse. Typical strawman argument. You claim people are saying something to make them look bad. But when asked to provide evidence, you come up with something that clearly doesn’t back up your claims. So you move the goalposts.

General Allen is a true American patriot and you might want to consider reflecting on the truth of his words.

Ok. It's just the most hateful parts of racism from hundreds of years ago that are still ingrained within every aspect of our society. Good one. You can only use 1 descriptor to understand a point. 

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46 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Thanks.  

I didn't see what schools they were even in to begin with and it doesn't seem to specify, so I assume just all of them.  

It mandates that any description that contradicts Virginia’s definition of sexually explicit content — “the depiction of sexual sodomy, a suggestive display of nudity, […] sexual arousal, sexual behavior or sadomasochistic abuse, […] coprophilia, urophilia or fetishism” – be considered for a ban.

 

Such odd, general descriptions of what is available to be banned.   And of course we get the:

 

Madison Count School Board policy was introduced by member Christopher Wingate.

“It’s about protecting children,” he told local news site Madison County Eagle. “There are other books that don’t excite me, but these are the definition. If they were filmed, they would be NC-17 or R.”

 

I just find it interesting that they choose to use those movie ratings as an example.   Movie ratings are random and often make 0 sense.  Also, by definition those ratings are fine for 17 year olds which you know - are in High School where they just banned those books as far as I can tell.    It's also interesting that he was wrong as well, because some of the books banned are in fact Pg-13 movies.   Perks of Being a Wallflower and Snow Falling on Cedars are two examples of that.  

 

I read Stephen King in Junior High and High School and while, yes, there is some sex in some of them-it was super tame. Also, they forgot that there’s a hand job in Pet Sematary.   We wouldn’t want young minds scarred by that.

Seriously, do any of these people remember being young? 

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10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Lol what L? Jon is wrong about his history. That’s not unusual. He has a tendency to spew nonsense. It’s just his thing. 
 

 

Your unsupported declaration.  I provided a history channel account of the Revolutionary War which should your convoluted 1619 version is total crap, which numerous top historians have ripped apart for its gross distortion of history for political purpose. 

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10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. It said A critical reason. And it was. It’s not a lie, that’s accurate history. It was not the primary reason and that claim was never made. 

It is a complete fabrication of history.  The motivation for the revolutionary War had zero to do with slavery.  It was not until June 1779 when the British offered slaves freedom to disrupt the south and get defectors to their side.   It has ZERO to do with the colonist motivation for starting the revolution.  Zero.  Not even remotely close to a critical factor.  It is just more of the race-baiting shenanigans that you constantly fall far.  

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1 hour ago, jonmx said:

It is a complete fabrication of history.  The motivation for the revolutionary War had zero to do with slavery.  It was not until June 1779 when the British offered slaves freedom to disrupt the south and get defectors to their side.   It has ZERO to do with the colonist motivation for starting the revolution.  Zero.  Not even remotely close to a critical factor.  It is just more of the race-baiting shenanigans that you constantly fall far.  

Sigh. 

You’re relying on right wing, revisionist history as you always do. If you want to Google “slavery and the American Revolution”, you will find numerous articles about it. Some you will no doubt reject because they are leftist (though the Zinn Project, named after Howard Zinn who wrote The Peoples History of the United States, can always be relied on as an extremely accurate source: 

https://www.zinnedproject.org/materials/slave-nation/

For a more detailed analysis, I would also refer you to James Loewen’s Lies My Teacher Told Me. Nobody has IMO written a more accurate history of the USA than Loewen. It’s superb. 

As I’ve written earlier, I don’t believe slavery was the primary factor for the American Revolution. But it was an extremely important factor, and to attempt to hide this fact is to whitewash history, pun absolutely intended. Our Founding Fathers weren’t villains by any means. But they weren’t perfect either. Teach the flaws, the contradictions, the good and the bad. That makes them real, and not the cardboard cutouts that folks like you and those in charge of Florida are apparently comfortable with. 

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23 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

Lefties, please explain to me like I’m someone who would drive around alone in my car with a mask on, how teaching black kids that math is racist prepares them for college? How does that work exactly?

Good question.  Should probably ask Desantis how math is racist too, because Florida claims that 21% of math books submitted “included prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies, including CRT.”  I could see a couple doing that, but highly doubt it’s that many.  Of course they did not provide examples that I saw.

https://www.fldoe.org/newsroom/latest-news/florida-rejects-publishers-attempts-to-indoctrinate-students.stml

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17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sigh. 

You’re relying on right wing, revisionist history as you always do. If you want to Google “slavery and the American Revolution”, you will find numerous articles about it. Some you will no doubt reject because they are leftist (though the Zinn Project, named after Howard Zinn who wrote The Peoples History of the United States, can always be relied on as an extremely accurate source: 

https://www.zinnedproject.org/materials/slave-nation/

For a more detailed analysis, I would also refer you to James Loewen’s Lies My Teacher Told Me. Nobody has IMO written a more accurate history of the USA than Loewen. It’s superb. 

As I’ve written earlier, I don’t believe slavery was the primary factor for the American Revolution. But it was an extremely important factor, and to attempt to hide this fact is to whitewash history, pun absolutely intended. Our Founding Fathers weren’t villains by any means. But they weren’t perfect either. Teach the flaws, the contradictions, the good and the bad. That makes them real, and not the cardboard cutouts that folks like you and those in charge of Florida are apparently comfortable with. 

Howard Zinn. Lol 

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Howard Zinn. Lol 

Howard Zinn was a radical leftist and his solutions (essentially, socialism) were awful. Yet his criticisms of American society were accurate and extremely valuable. He’s required reading, IMO, for anyone who wants to truly understand American history and society. 

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31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sigh. 

You’re relying on right wing, revisionist history as you always do. If you want to Google “slavery and the American Revolution”, you will find numerous articles about it. Some you will no doubt reject because they are leftist (though the Zinn Project, named after Howard Zinn who wrote The Peoples History of the United States, can always be relied on as an extremely accurate source: 

https://www.zinnedproject.org/materials/slave-nation/

For a more detailed analysis, I would also refer you to James Loewen’s Lies My Teacher Told Me. Nobody has IMO written a more accurate history of the USA than Loewen. It’s superb. 

As I’ve written earlier, I don’t believe slavery was the primary factor for the American Revolution. But it was an extremely important factor, and to attempt to hide this fact is to whitewash history, pun absolutely intended. Our Founding Fathers weren’t villains by any means. But they weren’t perfect either. Teach the flaws, the contradictions, the good and the bad. That makes them real, and not the cardboard cutouts that folks like you and those in charge of Florida are apparently comfortable with. 

Sure there was one ruling in England, but that did not end slavery in England, as it persisted for more than 60 years after that ruling.  We were having those same battles in the colonies and there were people here in the 1770's proposing laws to outlaw slavery.  Many of our founding fathers also found slavery to be a repulsive institution.  The history I site is not some kooky right-wing version, it is historical facts.  What you present is a gross misrepresentation of history.  The ruling for James Sommerset had no real impact on the desire for freedom from England. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Howard Zinn was a radical leftist and his solutions (essentially, socialism) were awful. Yet his criticisms of American society were accurate and extremely valuable. He’s required reading, IMO, for anyone who wants to truly understand American history and society. 

Accurate???  He is completely impeached as an independent arbitrator of history.  He is a leftist spinmeister.   But yet you want to dismiss the History Channel as a bunch of right-wing kooks.  

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20 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Good question.  Should probably ask Desantis how math is racist too, because Florida claims that 21% of math books submitted “included prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies, including CRT.”  I could see a couple doing that, but highly doubt it’s that many.  Of course they did not provide examples that I saw.

https://www.fldoe.org/newsroom/latest-news/florida-rejects-publishers-attempts-to-indoctrinate-students.stml

What the hell are you talking about?

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21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Good question.  Should probably ask Desantis how math is racist too, because Florida claims that 21% of math books submitted “included prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies, including CRT.”  I could see a couple doing that, but highly doubt it’s that many.  Of course they did not provide examples that I saw.

https://www.fldoe.org/newsroom/latest-news/florida-rejects-publishers-attempts-to-indoctrinate-students.stml

Good god, you are completely devoid of logic.  Just because the book cover says 'math' does not mean it is not dripping with CRT themed topics.  I am surprised it is only 21 percent.  CRT and politically correct ideology has so corrupted our education departments at universities, it is like at stage 4 cancer.  

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1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Good god, you are completely devoid of logic.  Just because the book cover says 'math' does not mean it is not dripping with CRT themed topics.  I am surprised it is only 21 percent.  CRT and politically correct ideology has so corrupted our education departments at universities, it is like at stage 4 cancer.  

Pretty much this. I can google search and get hits on numerous mainstream publications and media sources as well as individuals on the left making claims that math is racist. The left have to be the dumbest collective ever assembled. 

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Desantis is a pretty amazing guy. Just common sense along with great values. I can’t think of a thing he has done that I disagree with. It all comes down to values and decency. He’s got both in spades. 

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16 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Pretty much this. I can google search and get hits on numerous mainstream publications and media sources as well as individuals on the left making claims that math is racist. The left have to be the dumbest collective ever assembled. 

I’m sure there are some idiots on the left claiming math is racist.  But no, I don’t believe that 21% of math textbooks published are pushing CRT

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’m sure there are some idiots on the left claiming math is racist.  But no, I don’t believe that 21% of math textbooks published are pushing CRT

Then prove it.

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’m sure there are some idiots on the left claiming math is racist.  But no, I don’t believe that 21% of math textbooks published are pushing CRT

Some idiots? Should i continue?
 

Washington Post

The Atlantic

CNN

Californias New Math Framework

Seattle Times

Scientific American

Seattle Public School System

USA Today

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Just now, Dizkneelande said:

Some idiots? Should i continue?
 

Washington Post

The Atlantic

CNN

Californias New Math Framework

Seattle Times

Scientific American

Seattle Public School System

USA Today

Down goes Hack again. Just an FYI, he s easy pickings. You’ll grow bored soon enough.  

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Example of how CRT is incorporated into children's textbooks include:

- a bar graph with the heading "Measuring Racial Prejudice, by Age" with a second bar graph titled "Measuring Racial Prejudice, by Political Identification."

- "What? Me? Racist? More than 2 million people have tested their racial prejudice using an online version of the Implicit Association Test," the example reads. "Most groups' average scores fall between 'slight' and 'moderate' bias, but the differences among groups, by age and by political identification, are intriguing."

-  "SEL Objective," referring to Social Emotional Learning, that reads "students build proficiency with social awareness as they practice with empathizing with classmates."

These 'math' textbooks are littered with CRT buzzwords and statistics with stated objectives of ceeating more social awareness.  

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20 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Example of how CRT is incorporated into children's textbooks include:

- a bar graph with the heading "Measuring Racial Prejudice, by Age" with a second bar graph titled "Measuring Racial Prejudice, by Political Identification."

- "What? Me? Racist? More than 2 million people have tested their racial prejudice using an online version of the Implicit Association Test," the example reads. "Most groups' average scores fall between 'slight' and 'moderate' bias, but the differences among groups, by age and by political identification, are intriguing."

-  "SEL Objective," referring to Social Emotional Learning, that reads "students build proficiency with social awareness as they practice with empathizing with classmates."

These 'math' textbooks are littered with CRT buzzwords and statistics with stated objectives of ceeating more social awareness.  

Am I supposed to be outraged by any of this? What’s wrong with it? 

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28 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Example of how CRT is incorporated into children's textbooks include:

- a bar graph with the heading "Measuring Racial Prejudice, by Age" with a second bar graph titled "Measuring Racial Prejudice, by Political Identification."

- "What? Me? Racist? More than 2 million people have tested their racial prejudice using an online version of the Implicit Association Test," the example reads. "Most groups' average scores fall between 'slight' and 'moderate' bias, but the differences among groups, by age and by political identification, are intriguing."

-  "SEL Objective," referring to Social Emotional Learning, that reads "students build proficiency with social awareness as they practice with empathizing with classmates."

These 'math' textbooks are littered with CRT buzzwords and statistics with stated objectives of ceeating more social awareness.  

Can you share the link this is from? It’s not clear if any of them are from MATH textbooks, and the second one may not be from a textbook at all

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1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

Then prove it.

Desantis/FL didn’t prove it either, the burden should be on them since they’re the ones denying them

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Am I supposed to be outraged by any of this? What’s wrong with it? 

How DARE they ask kids to empathize with others!! 

[jonmx 1,595]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Am I supposed to be outraged by any of this? What’s wrong with it? 

No.  But it shows how CRT concepts are snuck in the classroom.  I get it.  You support the idea that we must educate the kids about how America is being overrun by racists and we need to raise up a bunch of social justice warriors.  But not alll parents want their children raised up to believe that white Republicans are racists or that the very foundation of this country is racist.  Parents are responsible for raising their children and should have a say in what goes on in the classroom.  And that is what DeSantis doing.  The ivory tower leftist does not have any fundamental right, ie achedemic freedom, to brainwash kids with their agenda.  So the whole premise of this thread is BS.

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18 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

How DARE they ask kids to empathize with others!! 

I wish I could be empathetic towards ignorant leftists, but it is really impossible.  You know damn well this is not about teaching kids to be empathetic.  It is about brainwashing kids into believing that the US is fundamentally racists.  So f-off you retard.

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20 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

How DARE they ask kids to empathize with others!! 

Church is a great place to learn about that. It’s the foundation. 

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44 minutes ago, jonmx said:

I wish I could be empathetic towards ignorant leftists, but it is really impossible.  You know damn well this is not about teaching kids to be empathetic.  It is about brainwashing kids into believing that the US is fundamentally racists.  So f-off you retard.

Just thought it was funny it was listed in that post as though it was a negative.  

You guys are an angry bunch. 

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2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Just thought it was funny it was listed in that post as though it was a negative.  

You guys are an angry bunch. 

But you are not teaching empathy.  You are using their empathy to manipulate children into either being self-loathing or being bigots against whites.  

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1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

Just thought it was funny it was listed in that post as though it was a negative.  

You guys are an angry bunch. 

Not angry like destroy Atlanta and shoot at it's police officers kind of angry though. The violence is more of a lib type of angry that the right doesn't really partake much in.

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47 minutes ago, craftsman said:

Not angry like destroy Atlanta and shoot at it's police officers kind of angry though. The violence is more of a lib type of angry that the right doesn't really partake much in.

But, BLM!! 

Yep, I'm sure we couldn't find any examples from the right.  

You are right, that is also an angry bunch as well.