***OFFICIAL Super Bowl Chiefs v Eagles Thread***

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

As a (real) Giants fan, all I can say is it’s not going to be fun going against Hurts for years to come. I think he can throw.  It’s Lamar that can’t if we’re talking about the running qb’s.  He’s nothing without his legs. Hurts can play from the pocket. He’s just young right now and the eagles are playing to that running strength. The time will come when they won’t and they will rely on his arm. He’s good. 

I think they may have comparable talent, although we do not know. The difference between the two is Hurts has 3 legit offensive weapons and Lamar has only 1. In his entire career Lamar has not had even a mediocre #1 outside wr.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Fields was a great passer in college.  He's known for this throwing ability and deep ball.  He was not a run first guy at OSU.  He only had to run in the NFL because of the offense around him.

Don't agree.  He can't read a defense and isn't a very good thrower.  That much seems obvious.   He could improve not saying he can't.   

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4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Fields was a great passer in college.  He's known for this throwing ability and deep ball.  He was not a run first guy at OSU.  He only had to run in the NFL because of the offense around him.

Another guy with just crap weapons/coaching. He may be ruined before we ever figure out if he is a good passer.

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3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Also, the scheme in OSU does not translate to the NFL.  He's not gonna get those same looks in the NFL.  He needs weapons and he needs to improve as a passer.  No reason to think he can't, Hurts has.

This is a very important offseason for the Bears.  They have the best opportunity to give Fields what he needs to succeed and also improve the defense.

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Don't agree.  He can't read a defense and isn't a very good thrower.  That much seems obvious.   He could improve not saying he can't.   

He may not be able to read an nfl defense, but he was a very good thrower in college.

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-chicago-bears-justin-fields-most-accurate-quarteback-ohio-state-pff-college-era

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Don't agree.  He can't read a defense and isn't a very good thrower.  That much seems obvious.   He could improve not saying he can't.   

I will agree he struggled reading defenses but I disagree with him not being a very good thrower.

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4 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

I think they may have comparable talent, although we do not know. The difference between the two is Hurts has 3 legit offensive weapons and Lamar has only 1. In his entire career Lamar has not had even a mediocre #1 outside wr.

Mahomes only has one now. The Ravens have drafted two Wr’s in the first round in the last 4 years. 

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Just now, MTSkiBum said:

I think they may have comparable talent, although we do not know. The difference between the two is Hurts has 3 legit offensive weapons and Lamar has only 1. In his entire career Lamar has not had even a mediocre #1 outside wr.

Because they are a heavy running team.  Because Lamar Jackson.  It is clear as day that Lamar is a below average passer.  Can he make a wow throw vs 1 on 1 coverage, sure.  But he isn't a good passer.  

In 5 drafts including the one he was taken, they have taken 2 1st round wrs and a 1st round TE.  They have tried to surround him with talent.  

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8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Yes, you both successfully pointed out that I grew up as a Chargers fan.  You get a gold star.

So about that game last night....

You weren’t grown up in 2006?

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Just now, MTSkiBum said:

He may not be able to read an nfl defense, but he was a very good thrower in college.

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-chicago-bears-justin-fields-most-accurate-quarteback-ohio-state-pff-college-era

What exactly does this matter?  Ryan Leaf was a good passer in college.  Johnny Football was a hrll of a QB 8n college.   Mayfield and Murray were great passers in college.  

So was Dwayne Haskins in that program. 

All these guys can throw the football in 7 on 7 type scrimmages vs Illinois.  They have arm talent.  But they aren't good passers.  

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4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I will agree he struggled reading defenses but I disagree with him not being a very good thrower.

Lamar looks like an elite thrower on some occasions.   He can throw some dime "wow" balls.  But he isn't a good passer.  

Tim Tebow was an all world college QB.  So what? 

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You have to be able to throw to the outside quadrant of the field to be a successful passer in the NFL. Anyone who watches Lamar knows that’s his weakness.  Anyone who watches Hurts, like let’s say last night, knows he can make those throws. 

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I would take Hurts over Jackson.  

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Mahomes only has one now. The Ravens have drafted two Wr’s in the first round in the last 4 years. 

If Lamar was comparable to a Josh Allen or Mahomes thrn they wouldn't run a run heavy offense like they do.  They would let him go shotgun spread and make plays with his arm and feet.  Not just 1 read heavy running stuff.  

You can tell a lot about QBs by looking at what scheme the coaches run in order to give them the best chance to win.  

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1 minute ago, Mike Hunt said:

I would take Hurts over Jackson.  

I would rather have Fields over Jackson too

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Just now, Mike Hunt said:

I would take Hurts over Jackson.  

All day.

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10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Mahomes only has one now. The Ravens have drafted two Wr’s in the first round in the last 4 years. 

Mahomes is a different level of talent than Lamar. It is difficult to say, but it is my opinion that if you surrounded Lamar with exceptional talent like for example on the dolphins then he would put up gaudy passing stats.

Lamar will need some talent around him to elevate his game as a passer.

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

If Lamar was comparable to a Josh Allen or Mahomes thrn they wouldn't run a run heavy offense like they do.  They would let him go shotgun spread and make plays with his arm and feet.  Not just 1 read heavy running stuff.  

You can tell a lot about QBs by looking at what scheme the coaches run in order to give them the best chance to win.  

Exactly. Watch the Ravens for a while. I had to this year, I had Lamar. It’s not a pro style offense. It’s 100 pct geared to Lamar and his strength, running, and avoiding his weakness, outside throws, especially down the field. His best plays are usually down the middle. 

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12 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

In 5 drafts including the one he was taken, they have taken 2 1st round wrs and a 1st round TE.  They have tried to surround him with talent.  

 

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The Ravens have drafted two Wr’s in the first round in the last 4 years. 

 Hollywood brown can get open, but can't catch worth crap. Bateman can't stay healthy and even when he has been on the field has not looked like a #1 wr.

 

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Just now, MTSkiBum said:

 

 Hollywood brown can get open, but can't catch worth crap. Bateman can't stay healthy and even when he has been on the field has not looked like a #1 wr.

 

Well, he wants more than Mahomes or anyone else. If he needs all that talent around him to succeed, it’s not gonna happen if he gets what he wants. 

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Just now, MTSkiBum said:

Mahomes is a different level of talent than Lamar. It is difficult to say, but it is my opinion that if you surrounded Lamar with exceptional talent like for example on the dolphins then he would put up gaudy passing stats.

Lamar will need some talent around him to elevate his game as a passer.

Maybe I am wrong, but not sure how many top WRs would want to sign on to play with Jackson.  

So lets say they all of a sudden have reek and waddle.  Do they lose offensive line? Do they not run the ball as much? Of course if you get to keep everything and have no care about keeping Reek happy then sure.  A loaded roster would help.  Defenses would have to watch Reek and Waddle while also playing up to the line to watch for Lamars legs.  Sure they would be hard to defend.  Doesn't mean he is a good passer.  

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7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, he wants more than Mahomes or anyone else. If he needs all that talent around him to succeed, it’s not gonna happen if he gets what he wants. 

We agree there, I would not pay him what he is asking and would let him walk. Too much of an injury risk as a runner and he wants too much guaranteed money.

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6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Maybe I am wrong, but not sure how many top WRs would want to sign on to play with Jackson.  

So lets say they all of a sudden have reek and waddle.  Do they lose offensive line? Do they not run the ball as much? Of course if you get to keep everything and have no care about keeping Reek happy then sure.  A loaded roster would help.  Defenses would have to watch Reek and Waddle while also playing up to the line to watch for Lamars legs.  Sure they would be hard to defend.  Doesn't mean he is a good passer.  

It is all hypothetical anyways. I do not expect Lamar to have talented outside pass catchers next season either.

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Just now, MTSkiBum said:

It is all hypothetical anyways. I do not expect Lamar to have talented outside pass catchers next season either.

It is hard to invest in FA WRs when you would just run a run heavy 1 read offense with them anyway.  But they have tried in the draft.  You don't need DK Metcalf and Stefon Diggs in order to throw against zero coverage.  

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3 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Always about race

Aren’t you tired of it? I am. When people stop being racist against blacks this will change. 

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Give Lamar Jackson at least 2 legit WRs and he takes the Ravens deep in the playoffs.  If SF signed Lamar Jackson they'd win the Super Bowl next year.  Look what slightly above average WRs (Christian Kirk and Zay Jones - both new to the team in 2022) and a new head coach and O-Coordinator did for Trevor Lawrence, he went from bottom QB stats to well above average in one year.

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Got to admit, there are a couple calls there and it seem to be sketchy at best. Seems like the league didnt want the eagles to win.

 

They definitely seem to control the line more than the Chiefs do.

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Aren’t you tired of it? I am. When people stop being racist against blacks this will change. 

I was talking about you and people like you.  

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Aren’t you tired of it? I am. When people stop being racist against blacks this will change. 

They have and it hasn’t

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1 minute ago, Gepetto said:

Give Lamar Jackson at least 2 legit WRs and he takes the Ravens deep in the playoffs.  If SF signed Lamar Jackson they'd win the Super Bowl next year.  Look what slightly above average WRs (Christian Kirk and Zay Jones - both new to the team in 2022) and a new head coach and O-Coordinator did for Trevor Lawrence, he went from bottom QB stats to well above average in one year.

Man if only GMs could consult with you.  So easy.   Why can't thry figure this out? Just trade for Hopkins and boom.  SBs galore.   So easy.  

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40 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

It is all hypothetical anyways. I do not expect Lamar to have talented outside pass catchers next season either.

Will Lamar even be back in Baltimore? I thought he was fed up.

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3 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Got to admit, there are a couple calls there and it seem to be sketchy at best. Seems like the league didnt want the eagles to win.

 

They definitely seem to control the line more than the Chiefs do.

When you have high skilled players, coach, and teams small advantages/disadvantages can make a big difference in games.  That was certainly a hold on bradberry, but how many calls were not made during the duration of the game? Official's timing and discretion has major impact on how games play out.

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Just now, Bier Meister said:

When you have high skilled players, coach, and teams small advantages/disadvantages can make a big difference in games.  That was certainly a hold on bradberry, but how many calls were not made during the duration of the game? Official's timing and discretion has major impact on how games play out.

Eagles absolutely only have themselves to blame for being in that position. But it was an incredibly soft call to basically end the game.

I can’t be too angry though since the 49ers took about 457 defensive penalties in the NFCCG. 

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4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Was that Hurts playing cornerback the two times that a Chiefs guy walked untouched into the end zone?

GTFO of here with this nonsense. 

 

Who had butter fingers and gave the Chiefs an easy fumble return for a TD? 

Don't get McButtHurt, man. McHurt will get another chance next year. 

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14 hours ago, dogcows said:

That holding call was super weak and probably determined the outcome. Teams were great, but the field, announcers, commercials, all the rest, were garbage

"It was a holding. I tugged his jersey. I was hoping they would let it slide," Bradberry said after Super Bowl LVII.

 

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10 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

They have and it hasn’t

They haven’t. Isn’t this thread proof of it? “Running” quarterbacks (meaning black quarterbacks) getting ripped. They just don’t have “it”- (meaning enough intelligence) to win. The Eagles head coach is lucky he’s not black or there would be calls to fire him this morning. 

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4 minutes ago, MDC said:

Eagles absolutely only have themselves to blame for being in that position. But it was an incredibly soft call to basically end the game.

I can’t be too angry though since the 49ers took about 457 defensive penalties in the NFCCG. 

It wasn't a soft call, it was a hold, Bradberry himself admitted it.  If we're talking about penalties, there were several lane johnson false starts, plus there was a clear block in the back on a chiefs player that was not called.  Also Jalen Hurts smacked his head on a run and should have been taken out, but wasn't.

So no this was not some ref conspiracy against the Eagles.

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Phenomenal game, the #1s delivered. 
 

Stars if the game were KC’s OL and DL - and the offensive play calling. Just incredible what the all did. 
 

Just an observation, but did anyone notice on the late 4th qtr corner bomb to D. Smith… He caught it and ran OB, untouched to the 3 yd line…. But uh, the clock kept running.

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3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

It wasn't a soft call, it was a hold, Bradberry himself admitted it.  If we're talking about penalties, there were several lane johnson false starts, plus there was a clear block in the back on a chiefs player that was not called.  Also Jalen Hurts smacked his head on a run and should have been taken out, but wasn't.

So no this was not some ref conspiracy against the Eagles.

You’re an angry elf. And a Chargers fan.

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8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They haven’t. Isn’t this thread proof of it? “Running” quarterbacks (meaning black quarterbacks) getting ripped. They just don’t have “it”- (meaning enough intelligence) to win. The Eagles head coach is lucky he’s not black or there would be calls to fire him this morning. 

This is your problem. You interpret everything people say by your Racist standards when in reality they did not mention anything about race, you just assumed it. If you were a real football fan, you would know that a running quarterback is a style of football that has not been very successful in the NFL .Even with all the rule changes their careers are short.