The Earth is Cooling and the Climate Extremists (Democrats) are a threat to Democracy

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

The earth is cooling despite adding 17% of total manmade CO2 since
2015. Zero warming. We are being lied to.

Remember: They want you to bike to work to save the planet. So all CO2 should matter!

 

[seafoam1 2,815]

I pulled over to the side of the road to check a phone text I received the other day. While I was responding to it a women knocked on my car window and was all acting happy and cheery and saying what a beautiful day it is. Then she asked me to turn my car off since I was pulled over and it's "such a wonderful day being out in the fresh air don't I just want to turn off the car and breath it all in?". 

I said "No" and rolled up my window.

 

[RLLD 4,145]

I do not mind the environmental activists, to be fair their work over the decades has been effective in protecting the environment to a large extent. 

I think this climate thing has some merit, and it would not be absurd to consider a reduction in green house gases; though I do not share their apocalyptical views around it, nor their smarmy and misplaced hubris. 

I think working toward fewer emissions is a noble goal, but sadly you will still have 80% of the rest of the world not following suit, and their actions are rather harmful to historically disenfranchised communities already stressed by failed Democrat policies. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

8 years.   Cute.

https://climate.nasa.gov/ask-nasa-climate/2893/nope-earth-isnt-cooling/

[seafoam1 2,815]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I do not mind the environmental activists, to be fair their work over the decades has been effective in protecting the environment to a large extent. 

I think this climate thing has some merit, and it would not be absurd to consider a reduction in green house gases; though I do not share their apocalyptical views around it, nor their smarmy and misplaced hubris. 

I think working toward fewer emissions is a noble goal, but sadly you will still have 80% of the rest of the world not following suit, and their actions are rather harmful to historically disenfranchised communities already stressed by failed Democrat policies. 

I don't buy into it. I worry more that humans are more capable of effectively focking things up when it comes to any effort of "fixing" the Earth. If we exterminate ourselves by having too many cars, so be it. But to try to incorporate a fix, no thanks. Let the Earth do as it pleases. It's better at climate control than people are. It has a lot more practice. 

[seafoam1 2,815]

And global cooling is real.

[The Real timschochet 6,481]

10 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

8 years.   Cute.

https://climate.nasa.gov/ask-nasa-climate/2893/nope-earth-isnt-cooling/

And this is why I’m forced to vote Democrat on this issue.

I don’t necessarily like all the Democratic solutions. The Green New Deal for example is far too too heavy. But Republicans won’t even acknowledge that climate change exists! 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,720]

The climate hustle is pointless.  It’s all about enslavement of non elites.  
 

This planet will only sustain mankind for a finite period of time.  A mega volcano, asteroid or a more dangerous China Virus will even shorten that timeline.  There is nothing anyone can do to prevent our fate. Every species will go extinct.  All we can do about it is to look for new planets for our species to colonize and inhabit .  
 

Stop the whining and let us drive our gas guzzlers and enjoy the ride while it lasts.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

And this is why I’m forced to vote Democrat on this issue.

I don’t necessarily like all the Democratic solutions. The Green New Deal for example is far too too heavy. But Republicans won’t even acknowledge that climate change exists! 

Yeah it's perfectly reasonable to say "Yes climate change exists, but the proposals brought forth to date are detrimental to Americans, and until we get China and the rest of the world on board, then we shouldn't shoot ourselves in the foot"  That's actually my position.

You show how dumb you are when you take the most recent 8 years of data and claim that climate change is a scam, or say "who cares, if we die we die".

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,871]

23 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I don't buy into it. I worry more that humans are more capable of effectively focking things up when it comes to any effort of "fixing" the Earth. If we exterminate ourselves by having too many cars, so be it. But to try to incorporate a fix, no thanks. Let the Earth do as it pleases. It's better at climate control than people are. It has a lot more practice. 

I would like to remind everyone that Liberals gave us the plastic bag at grocery stores when they said paper bags were bad for the environment.

The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions and if there is anything we know from Liberals and Leftists in general is that their "best intentions" usually end up backfiring and in worst case scenarios end up with a high body count (see Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc..).

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

If we are pumping into the atmosphere more C02 than ever which they claim causes the global temperature to rise, wouldn’t the earth be getting warmer? 
 

 

[Nomad99 705]

1 hour ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

The climate hustle is pointless.  It’s all about enslavement of non elites.  
 

This planet will only sustain mankind for a finite period of time.  A mega volcano, asteroid or a more dangerous China Virus will even shorten that timeline.  There is nothing anyone can do to prevent our fate. Every species will go extinct.  All we can do about it is to look for new planets for our species to colonize and inhabit .  
 

Stop the whining and let us drive our gas guzzlers and enjoy the ride while it lasts.  

We will never permanently relocate to another planet. We are so far away from the ability to travel at speeds even relatively close to the speed of light, which is the absolute minimum prerequisite. There are no potential landing spots for us that are even remotely doable. Our species will die off before we are even close to being able to get there. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

5 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

If we are pumping into the atmosphere more C02 than ever which they claim causes the global temperature to rise, wouldn’t the earth be getting warmer? 
 

 

Bro, you don't take one year of data in one state to cancel out the previous 50 years of global data.  Come on. 

In NYC, we had our warmest January ever, and we're on pace for our warmest February ever too.  No Snow.  This winter will be a top 5 warmest ever, with 4 of those years being in the last 20.

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

43 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Bro, you don't take one year of data in one state to cancel out the previous 50 years of global data.  Come on. 

In NYC, we had our warmest January ever, and we're on pace for our warmest February ever too.  No Snow.  This winter will be a top 5 warmest ever, with 4 of those years being in the last 20.

It’s not one year data

[Engorgeous George 2,162]

I'm hoping the ozone hole closing, which it seems to be, will have positive effects on the climate.

[Cdub100 3,850]

Oh vey! send the tax dollars to change the weather.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,871]

42 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

It’s not one year data

It's like he didn't even look at the graph!   

What a dope!

[TBayXXXVII 2,487]

51 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

It’s not one year data

 

9 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

It's like he didn't even look at the graph!   

What a dope!

He probably went to school in Baltimore and doesn't realize that 1920 to 2020 is over 100 years.  They taught him that 0's mean nothing and don't count.

[TBayXXXVII 2,487]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

And this is why I’m forced to vote Democrat on this issue.

I don’t necessarily like all the Democratic solutions. The Green New Deal for example is far too too heavy. But Republicans won’t even acknowledge that climate change exists! 

Yeah, that's the reason. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

12 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

It's like he didn't even look at the graph!   

What a dope!

You're right, all I read was the post that said it's been a cold winter.

Looking at the data, the conversation should be what does raw v adjusted mean, why they adjust, etc.  Because the adjusted numbers show a warming.

[seafoam1 2,815]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

And this is why I’m forced to vote Democrat on this issue.

I don’t necessarily like all the Democratic solutions. The Green New Deal for example is far too too heavy. But Republicans won’t even acknowledge that climate change exists! 

Yeah. And this conservative doesn't believe guys are born as girls in a male body. Just because liberals say things, doesn't make the right.

[seafoam1 2,815]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You're right, all I read was the post that said it's been a cold winter.

Looking at the data, the conversation should be what does raw v adjusted mean, why they adjust, etc.  Because the adjusted numbers show a warming.

Liberals adjust numbers all the time to fit their desires. Look at the 2020 presidential election. 

As far as weather, they realized they screwed up by initially calling it "global warming" and shifted to "climate change" as a go to fear mongering message when they were proven wrong. Same thing they did with changing "mostly peaceful" to "INSURRECTION".

[jerryskids 6,579]

I'm taking a class about our desert and how it formed; earlier this week our professor said that we came out of an ice age about 10,000 years ago; back then Phoenix got about 3X the rainfall and had a much different climate/ecosystem.  So when this thread came up I googled "when did the ice age end".  One of the first articles was a response to a 3rd grader who asked the American Museum of Natural History when and how the last ice age ended, and could another start?

Quote

Dear Chase,

I like how your question addresses both the past and the future of ice ages.

It turns out that we are most likely in an "ice age" now. So, in fact, the last ice age hasn't ended yet!

Scientists call this ice age the Pleistocene Ice Age. It has been going on since about 2.5 million years ago (and some think that it's actually part of an even longer ice age that started as many as 40 million years ago).

The curious thing about ice ages is that the temperature of Earth's atmosphere doesn't stay cold the entire time. Instead, the climate flip-flops between what scientists call "glacial periods" and "interglacial periods."

Glacial periods last tens of thousands of years. Temperatures are much colder, and ice covers more of the planet.

On the other hand, interglacial periods last only a few thousand years and the climate conditions are similar to those on Earth today. We are in an interglacial period right now. It began at the end of the last glacial period, about 10,000 years ago.

Scientists are still working to understand what causes ice ages. One important factor is the amount of light Earth receives from the Sun. The amount of sunlight that reaches Earth can vary quite a lot, mainly due to three factors:

- how much Earth is tilted relative to the Sun
- whether Earth wobbles a lot or a little as it spins on its axis (kind of like how a toy top can wobble a lot or a little as it spins)
- the shape of Earth's orbit as it goes around the Sun (whether it is shaped more like a circle or more like an ellipse or oval)

Over thousands of years, the amount of sunshine reaching Earth changes by quite a lot, particularly in the northern latitudes, the area near and around the North Pole. When less sunlight reaches the northern latitudes, temperatures drop and more water freezes into ice, starting an ice age. When more sunlight reaches the northern latitudes, temperatures rise, ice sheets melt, and the ice age ends. But there are many other factors. So if you became a climate scientist one day, you could make your own discoveries!

To find out more about Earth's climate in the past, scientists study ice cores. These samples tell us that during the current ice age, climate on Earth has flip-flopped between glacial and interglacial periods at least 17 times!

So it is very likely that Earth will turn cold again, possibly within the next several thousand years. But, we have to keep in mind that human activities today are impacting climate on a global scale. So when we predict future climate changes, including the next glacial period, we need to consider the changes that humans are causing.

Keep on asking questions! There's still much we don't know about the past and future of our planet.

 

TL/DR; It's naturally warming, but also climate change (bolded) at the end!

https://www.amnh.org/explore/ology/earth/ask-a-scientist-about-our-environment/how-did-the-ice-age-end

It's odd how you don't hear about this in the climate change discussion.  

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

Scientific American November 27, 1920 “Fertilizing the air with carbon dioxide to promote plant growth"
 

https://twitter.com/TonyClimate/status/1627250433407488000?s=20

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

What happens to all the plants without any CO2?

“Experts claim it could cost $50 TRILLION to make the U.S. carbon neutral by 2050.”

Q: “How much will that lower global temperatures?”

A: “No one can know for sure” & “I don’t know”

https://twitter.com/SenJohnKennedy/status/1626001836799844356?s=20

[lickin_starfish 1,894]

What is the ideal temperature for the Earth? Did anybody find it in the instruction manual?

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

2 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

What is the ideal temperature for the Earth? Did anybody find it in the instruction manual?

I’m not sure but I’m pretty sure if the earth is cooling and, cold kills a lot more people than heat, a crap ton of people are going to die.

[jonmx 2,424]

 

The history of our environmental doomsday predictions:

1982:  The history of our environmental doomsday predictions:Mostafa K. Tolba, executive director of the United Nations environmental program, as saying that if things aren’t fixed by the turn of the century — the year 2000 — the world would face “an environmental catastrophe which will witness devastation as complete, as irreversible, as any nuclear holocaust.’’

1989:  UN environmental officials say that if we didn’t fix climate change by 1999, we would have “Global disaster, nations wiped off the face of the earth, crop failures”:

1990:  Tolba was back to say that “We shall win — or lose — the climate struggle in the first years of the 1990s.”

2004:  the Guardian newspaper said a “secret report” from the Pentagon to President George W. Bush said climate change would “destroy us.”  

"Major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas."

"Britain is plunged into a “Siberian” climate by 2020"

"Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world"

2007:  Rajendra Pachauri, head of the UN climate panel, said, “If there is no action before 2012, that’s too late”

2019:  the UN said “only 11 years left to prevent irreversible damage from climate change”

 

Of course the doomsdsyers have been full of crap for over 40 years.  Our oceans should have risen over 20 feet by now if we believe the likes of Al Gore.   We have had 40 years where we could have built nuclear plants and have completely solved the issue by now.  Instead the globalist elitists pushed solutions aimed at creating powerful empires and vast amounts of wealth.   

Maybe after 50 years of being lied to, the useful idiots will start seeing how they are being manipulated.  But seeing Tim's response, it is hopeless.  Once a useful idiot, always a useful idiot.  

[Baker Boy 1,691]

Earth heats up due to pandemic’s cleaner air, study finds

 

Earth spiked a bit of a fever in 2020, partly because of cleaner air from the pandemic lockdown, a new study found.

For a short time, temperatures in some places in the eastern United States, Russia and China were as much as half to two-thirds of a degree (.3 to .37 degrees Celsius) warmer. That’s due to less soot and sulfate particles from car exhaust and burning coal, which normally cool the atmosphere temporarily by reflecting the sun’s heat, Tuesday’s study in the journal Geophysical Research Letters reported.

https://myfox8.com/news/earth-heats-up-due-to-pandemics-cleaner-air-study-finds/

 

The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway.

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf streamsed still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922. As reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post — 88 years ago!

The text above is a genuine transcription of a 1922 newspaper article, an Associated Press account which appeared on page 2 of the Washington Post on 2 November of that year:

Snopes proves above article is true.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/warm-welcome/

 

 

[jonmx 2,424]

3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Earth heats up due to pandemic’s cleaner air, study finds

 

Earth spiked a bit of a fever in 2020, partly because of cleaner air from the pandemic lockdown, a new study found.

For a short time, temperatures in some places in the eastern United States, Russia and China were as much as half to two-thirds of a degree (.3 to .37 degrees Celsius) warmer. That’s due to less soot and sulfate particles from car exhaust and burning coal, which normally cool the atmosphere temporarily by reflecting the sun’s heat, Tuesday’s study in the journal Geophysical Research Letters reported.

https://myfox8.com/news/earth-heats-up-due-to-pandemics-cleaner-air-study-finds/

That has nothing to do with global tempretures.  Those are isolated small locations over a short period with extreme pollution problems that has no impact at all to climate change.  

 

[Baker Boy 1,691]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

That has nothing to do with global tempretures.  Those are isolated small locations over a short period with extreme pollution problems that has no impact at all to climate change.  

 

Exactly, just like today.

[jonmx 2,424]

On 2/17/2023 at 10:05 AM, GutterBoy said:

8 years.   Cute.

https://climate.nasa.gov/ask-nasa-climate/2893/nope-earth-isnt-cooling/

But yet even the short trend flies in the face of every computer model and illustrate that CO2 is not nearly the driver of global temperatures they claim it is.  The experts have been grossly mispredicting doomsday scenarios for decades.  

[Baker Boy 1,691]

The only question is:

Should we spend $1.5 trillion a year (not adjusted for inflation) world wide for the next 80 years to lower, in theory, the temperature of the earth less than 1 degree Fahrenheit at the end of the century?

Yes or No

 

[jonmx 2,424]

27 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

The only question is:

Should we spend $1.5 trillion a year (not adjusted for inflation) world wide for the next 80 years to lower, in theory, the temperature of the earth less than 1 degree Fahrenheit at the end of the century?

Yes or No

 

Not on the crap they want to spend it on.  Unless we get India and China on-board, no matter what we do, it will not make a dimes worth of difference.   Even if you buy into their doomsday scenerio, none of their solutions have ever made any sense.  The developed nations sacrifice and move industry to poor nations which are free to pollute at will.   They only want to line their pockets and create global empires to control people.  Not one of the elitist bastards really care about the climate.  It is a tool to manipulate the masses.  

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

 

[Baker Boy 1,691]

Glacier National Park is replacing signs that predicted its glaciers would be gone by 2020

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/glacier-national-park-is-replacing-signs-that-predicted-its-glaciers-would-be-gone-by-2020/ar-BBYJejT?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=spartandhp

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

 

The history of our environmental doomsday predictions:

1982:  The history of our environmental doomsday predictions:Mostafa K. Tolba, executive director of the United Nations environmental program, as saying that if things aren’t fixed by the turn of the century — the year 2000 — the world would face “an environmental catastrophe which will witness devastation as complete, as irreversible, as any nuclear holocaust.’’

1989:  UN environmental officials say that if we didn’t fix climate change by 1999, we would have “Global disaster, nations wiped off the face of the earth, crop failures”:

1990:  Tolba was back to say that “We shall win — or lose — the climate struggle in the first years of the 1990s.”

2004:  the Guardian newspaper said a “secret report” from the Pentagon to President George W. Bush said climate change would “destroy us.”  

"Major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas."

"Britain is plunged into a “Siberian” climate by 2020"

"Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world"

2007:  Rajendra Pachauri, head of the UN climate panel, said, “If there is no action before 2012, that’s too late”

2019:  the UN said “only 11 years left to prevent irreversible damage from climate change”

 

Of course the doomsdsyers have been full of crap for over 40 years.  Our oceans should have risen over 20 feet by now if we believe the likes of Al Gore.   We have had 40 years where we could have built nuclear plants and have completely solved the issue by now.  Instead the globalist elitists pushed solutions aimed at creating powerful empires and vast amounts of wealth.   

Maybe after 50 years of being lied to, the useful idiots will start seeing how they are being manipulated.  But seeing Tim's response, it is hopeless.  Once a useful idiot, always a useful idiot.  

Good point on nuclear. We committed energy suicide and to what end? The fake climate campaign has caused untold economic damage to the working class.

[lod001 1,344]

On 2/17/2023 at 10:20 AM, Tree of Knowledge said:

The climate hustle is pointless.  It’s all about enslavement of non elites.  
 

This planet will only sustain mankind for a finite period of time.  A mega volcano, asteroid or a more dangerous China Virus will even shorten that timeline.  There is nothing anyone can do to prevent our fate. Every species will go extinct.  All we can do about it is to look for new planets for our species to colonize and inhabit .  
 

Stop the whining and let us drive our gas guzzlers and enjoy the ride while it lasts.  

We are never getting off this rock without help from a much more advanced civilization. Odds used to be nuclear war would finish us off. Now, the odds are we wipe ourselves out with a killer man made virus. 

Also, we are never going to be able to control the climate. It will do what it does and the idea that ending 'fossil fuels', (btw, it doesn't come from fossils, oils is a renewal resource, generated from the inner earth), is simply ridiculous with the current population. Simply impossible. I used to believe the peak oil BS. Now we could run out if we use it faster than it is produced in the ground but make no mistake, oil is required on this rock.

[League Champion 1,896]

Perhaps we should just keep deforesting the Planet, that should help. 

Or we could just outlaw gas stoves. 

[BuckSwope 654]

Talk about moving goal posts - we've gone from global climate change to Wyoming winter change!! 

  

Whatever, I am more in line with what @RLLD posted above.   To me it just makes common sense to not want to destroy the place we live in, so the climate freaks don't bother me too much either.    I think what we really don't seem to talk about it projection models of possible sea level rises and how we are going to prepare for that displacement of people and other issues that might come with that.   It's dumb to talk all doom and gloom and force people to use paper straws, but I will take that over pretending nothing is happening.